As a local, I'm happy Stelvio pass exists. It attracts tourists, campers, caravans and bikers so that normal people can have fun on adjacent roads in Graubunden, or in Valais, even in a middle of Sunday in the summer.
@@Chris-hw4mqit's not even that good. Just endless hairpins with not much between them. There are countless better passes. I've done it to say I have, but I won't bother again...
I just want to calrify that having driven the Stelvio several times (and other passes in the Alps) it's all about the time of the day you drive trhough the pass. If you drive it at 6:00-7:00 in the morning or at 16:00-17:00-18:00 in the afternoon it's a great road for driving with close to 0 traffic. If you do the typical tourist drive in the summer, on a weekend and during the normal hours you have very high posibilites of finding the road this packed. Just plan in advance when are you actually going to go up/ down the pass and you wil have a very diferent experience driving it.
You still can't go that fast not being able to see around the corners. Everyone in both directions having to share the same lines makes it impossible to have too much fun unless the road is closed.
If the problem is the speed Stelvio might not be your best option. It is a 1-2-3 gear pass. There are tons of wider, less curvy passes like Grossglockner in Austria, etc...@@superspeeders
@@superspeeders i get it you have the need for speed but personally I would rather just enjoy a relaxing drive on roads like this and see the sights. but yea cant do that either when its crowded and all you do is watch the traffic constantly. plan to do this drive someday your video helps me plan it. and probably go as early as the sun rises in the morning.
Rob, the Stelvio is a legendary climb in the bike race called The Giro D'Italia. So that is why there are so many cyclists on the road. cyclists want to ride the same roads as the pros. You would run into a similar crowd of cyclists in France on L'Ape D'Huez.
Well, they need to either kick it up a notch into race speed or stay out of the way! That was ridiculous! Didn't they realize that Americans were coming through?!? 🤷♂️
For most hobbyists it's about the achievement to reach the top. I've driven there too and was surprised you see virtually _no_ tourists on electric bikes. It's all hobby athletes on proper mechanical bikes.
Reminds me of my first experience on the Autobahn. There are very few unrestricted sections, especially in the north and western part of the country. But the congestion made it hard to run consistent high speeds. The best I did, illegally, was the final 300 miles from a service plaza north of Gottingen, Germany to Esbjerg, Denmark in 3 hours and 10 minutes. I put the cruise on 100mph and only slowed down going through Hanover, Hamburg and when I turned off the E45 on t the E20.
I drove the Transfagarasan last year in September in a turbo Jetta from Avis and it was the perfect car for a road that you can’t exactly drive very fast on. I was making my way back around 6:30pm and was able to push the car as fast as I wanted with no traffic!
Stelvio is a bad road, there is more to a good road than hair pin corners. Any average B road in uk / Europe could rival it, But hey that episode did wonders for tourism. Italy on a whole is a hateful place to drive
I agree! The heck with those French and Spanish cars that Rob likes to drive when he's over there! Give me a MK 1 Mini Cooper for the ultimate driving experience! 🙂
Oh Rob, if you want another Good one (i'm using it sarcastically) It's Gavia, and make sure to do it around the 15th of August! For once it's narrower than Stelvio, worst surface, no guard rail! And if you get the date right (national vacaion in italy) you get a ton of traffic, especially Camper van! Lat time i did it on My Z900 RS and was having problem fitting my bike on the road, i did it cussing all the way down!
I drove in the winter season and it was much less crowded that day, but there were still two times when I had to stop while a bus used both lanes to make a three point turn around a hairpin.
The reason all the cyclists are there is because it’s one of the iconic climbers in the Tour de France . You don’t own the road and your New York impatience is so obnoxious. You’re in Europe with all the other tourists.
only chance would be going there very early right after sunrise, outside of weekends. then there would probably almost no bicycles and only few cars/motorcycles.
Yeah, those popular roads are always clogged, it's better to just go on a random drive through the mountains. For me one of the nicest drives in italy was from Modena to Pisa(select it on google maps without toll roads) and it goes through San Pellegrino in Alpe. Beautiful road but got to watch out because it's very twisty
Thanks for this video. I was thinking about driving it but will do a you said - do the other side and take a pic of the hairpins. The view is great but not fun at all.
Heck with the good looking car..... the seat cover is nicer and she seems nice too. Yeah, at 12:30, it is going to be busy. Besides Stelvio is not a race track, it is made to be a very scenic drive. Yes, bike are a pain too.
@@gottahaveawawa7494 I would be aswell. But I these don't get it why people yell stuff when driving by. Then if you don't get a response then "oh they are rude".
@@superspeeders could say the same thing for you: Take the highway for fast riding in your fancy Audi. If you drive the Stelvio you should respect other road users, including bycicle riders. It‘s not a race track. What do you expect going up one of the most dangerous passes in the alps in a wide, low and unfitting car for this scenario.
You went to Italy and rented a German car? BOO! That's as much of a bad move as going into an Italian restaurant and saying French red wine is better than Italian reds.
I would drive a Mk1 Mini Cooper! Doing a reenactment of The Italian Job. Rob and his crew would be pulling over for me and my crew as we went smokin' right past them in our Minis! 😅 Those roads weren't designed for those fancy cars. Only Minis!
I did Alps with my 360 Modena, a very analogue car, late August 2021. We specifically avoided all the "over hyped" passes like Stelvio and Furka and such, went for totally different route and there was next to 0 traffic. No tourists, caravans, no bicyclist, no motorcyclist, only locals. Free advice to SSRob: Route was: Vipiteno -> San Leondarno & San Martino passes -> Merano (can be seen in this video also) -> Lago di Santa Giustina (a lake) -> Castelletto -> Molveno -> Ponte Arche -> Riva del Garda. One day, easily. Nothing but pure enjoyment and absolutely no stress (because of said things, tourist etc. were non existent). Also there's epic mountain roads at the middle part of Italy, called Apennine Mountains. Take SS73bis from Urbino to San Giustino. One truely EPIC route. And I guarantee, 0% of tourist, cyclist, caravans. Its middle of nothing, no tourist attractions.
Hello Rob, I do not expect this comment to be popular. And realistically, I do not expect you to care. But the sense of entitlement and arrogance that come across in this video are an enormous turn off. I have watched your videos on an off for years. I subscribed 3 years ago and have watched almost every video since. My spouse and I have discussed signing up for one of the Adventure Drives. I have deeply enjoyed your series about GC'ing your house, the Sorted series (which I was contemplating submitted our project car for), and the transparency and insights you provide into your business. But in this video, rather than respecting other road users, all I hear is you complain. And I see you zipping around cyclists in what to me look like some close and uncomfortable (for the cyclists) passes. This is all on a road that is scenic. It is a climb that frequently makes an appearance in the Giro d'Italia, one of the three biggest cycling races. And frankly, it's a beautiful place to enjoy the scenery, not to drive quickly. Anyways, I'm out. On a daily basis the riskiest thing I do is walk or ride a bike. It's risky because of inattentive drivers and drivers that are in such a rush that the X number of seconds they're going to save getting to the next red light are apparently more important than my life. And this video hits that chord for me. I hope in the future you can show your fellow road users the same respect as Matt Farah does in his videos.
If you really want excitement go round them roads in winter with a nutty Italian bus driver driving like he's on the Italian job for a whole week all them safety blocks are a new thing their was nothing to stop you going off when I was there on all the mountain roads nobody wanted the window seats on the bus
As a local, I'm happy Stelvio pass exists. It attracts tourists, campers, caravans and bikers so that normal people can have fun on adjacent roads in Graubunden, or in Valais, even in a middle of Sunday in the summer.
secret would be to do it as top gear did and block the road for an hour so the rich people can have fun with their supercars
@@Chris-hw4mqit's not even that good. Just endless hairpins with not much between them. There are countless better passes. I've done it to say I have, but I won't bother again...
I just want to calrify that having driven the Stelvio several times (and other passes in the Alps) it's all about the time of the day you drive trhough the pass. If you drive it at 6:00-7:00 in the morning or at 16:00-17:00-18:00 in the afternoon it's a great road for driving with close to 0 traffic. If you do the typical tourist drive in the summer, on a weekend and during the normal hours you have very high posibilites of finding the road this packed. Just plan in advance when are you actually going to go up/ down the pass and you wil have a very diferent experience driving it.
You still can't go that fast not being able to see around the corners. Everyone in both directions having to share the same lines makes it impossible to have too much fun unless the road is closed.
If the problem is the speed Stelvio might not be your best option. It is a 1-2-3 gear pass. There are tons of wider, less curvy passes like Grossglockner in Austria, etc...@@superspeeders
@@superspeeders i get it you have the need for speed but personally I would rather just enjoy a relaxing drive on roads like this and see the sights. but yea cant do that either when its crowded and all you do is watch the traffic constantly. plan to do this drive someday your video helps me plan it. and probably go as early as the sun rises in the morning.
Roads with such switchbacks are guaranteed to be horrible drivers roads as far as I am concerned and I avoid them like the plague.
Rob, the Stelvio is a legendary climb in the bike race called The Giro D'Italia. So that is why there are so many cyclists on the road. cyclists want to ride the same roads as the pros. You would run into a similar crowd of cyclists in France on L'Ape D'Huez.
It looks like it would be fun on a bike!
Well, they need to either kick it up a notch into race speed or stay out of the way! That was ridiculous!
Didn't they realize that Americans were coming through?!? 🤷♂️
For most hobbyists it's about the achievement to reach the top. I've driven there too and was surprised you see virtually _no_ tourists on electric bikes. It's all hobby athletes on proper mechanical bikes.
Reminds me of my first experience on the Autobahn. There are very few unrestricted sections, especially in the north and western part of the country. But the congestion made it hard to run consistent high speeds. The best I did, illegally, was the final 300 miles from a service plaza north of Gottingen, Germany to Esbjerg, Denmark in 3 hours and 10 minutes. I put the cruise on 100mph and only slowed down going through Hanover, Hamburg and when I turned off the E45 on t the E20.
I think a Fiat 500 Abarth would be the great candidate for that road, it's small, slow and makes cool noises.
If you want a good, fun spaghetti road. Do the Transfagarasan in Romania. much less crowded
Little further away, no idea how to get a proper car there. Would just tour CH instead.
@@superspeedersBorrow one from Andrew Tate, he’s not getting much use out of them.
I drove the Transfagarasan last year in September in a turbo Jetta from Avis and it was the perfect car for a road that you can’t exactly drive very fast on. I was making my way back around 6:30pm and was able to push the car as fast as I wanted with no traffic!
Stelvio is a bad road, there is more to a good road than hair pin corners.
Any average B road in uk / Europe could rival it,
But hey that episode did wonders for tourism.
Italy on a whole is a hateful place to drive
It seems to me that the best way to enjoy the Italian or French Alps is in something small, lightweight and nippy.
I agree! The heck with those French and Spanish cars that Rob likes to drive when he's over there! Give me a MK 1 Mini Cooper for the ultimate driving experience! 🙂
Oh Rob, if you want another Good one (i'm using it sarcastically) It's Gavia, and make sure to do it around the 15th of August! For once it's narrower than Stelvio, worst surface, no guard rail! And if you get the date right (national vacaion in italy) you get a ton of traffic, especially Camper van! Lat time i did it on My Z900 RS and was having problem fitting my bike on the road, i did it cussing all the way down!
I drove in the winter season and it was much less crowded that day, but there were still two times when I had to stop while a bus used both lanes to make a three point turn around a hairpin.
The reason all the cyclists are there is because it’s one of the iconic climbers in the Tour de France . You don’t own the road and your New York impatience is so obnoxious. You’re in Europe with all the other tourists.
only chance would be going there very early right after sunrise, outside of weekends. then there would probably almost no bicycles and only few cars/motorcycles.
You should try Stelvio on a Ducati, much more fun on two wheels 👌🏾😉
Yeah, those popular roads are always clogged, it's better to just go on a random drive through the mountains. For me one of the nicest drives in italy was from Modena to Pisa(select it on google maps without toll roads) and it goes through San Pellegrino in Alpe. Beautiful road but got to watch out because it's very twisty
tldr stelvio is over run by bald jersey guidos cosplaying as miami vice
The reality is sure different from all the photos. Love that you don't try and pretend it's so romantic. Clearly a terrible road.
Same like with "Transfăgărășan" .People say how good is it and when you go there you realize the quality of the road is not as good.
It is not always so crowded. I visit Stelvio almost every year for last 13 years and only saw so much traffic once or twice, especially bicycles.
One of the best driving experiences I have ever had. Even with the stop and go traffic it was beautiful.
You didn’t go I don’t remember seeing you
@@gottahaveawawa7494 kind of hard to miss I was the 6'4 black guy 😂
rob is def the guy can finds the negative i n everything
I hated driving in Italy, the mopeds and traffic are terrible
Today, Mr. Spaghetti takes his spicy meatballs to a fancy country.
Compare this to Tail of The Dragon, which is plenty wide, no cyclists, and slow traffic gets out of your way.
The other side of the pass is MUCH better.
Thanks for this video. I was thinking about driving it but will do a you said - do the other side and take a pic of the hairpins. The view is great but not fun at all.
Heck with the good looking car..... the seat cover is nicer and she seems nice too. Yeah, at 12:30, it is going to be busy. Besides Stelvio is not a race track, it is made to be a very scenic drive. Yes, bike are a pain too.
We need a a adventure drives where we get to race rob in spain in a gt3😄
11:27 😂 American guy driving in Europe 🤣
7:52 can someone please explain to me why people yell stupid stuff when passing someone in there car?
Rob was embarrassed
@@gottahaveawawa7494 I would be aswell. But I these don't get it why people yell stuff when driving by. Then if you don't get a response then "oh they are rude".
Rob needs to get a whale to go on the trip so you guys can shut the road down from motor cycles and bicycles 😅
Mr Spagetti didnt like the spagetti
Old Country is what it’s called streets widening in USA for bike lanes. No,t driving that congestion nope.
Try monday morning next tine
Skipped through 3 snippets of this video, saw 3 failed overtakes. Maybe you need a bit of introspection.
Who’s the passenger? Does she share the same name as Robs old friend?
The one who passed away in an accident in one of his Lamborghinis? Sadly I actually think she might be her sister which is just weird.
@@venom5809it is
I’d wait until it snowed then a would take a Subaru wrx sti.
8:40 tell her she is noisy 🙉
This is a normal road, not a racetrack. We have driven that road with a motor home because we were going from point a to point b.
That is not the best way to get point A to B with a motor home. Try the longer route on the highways.
Or just move over and out of the way, could be an option too.
@@superspeeders Maybe they like a nice view too. Some pretty entitled vibes in your video.
@@superspeeders could say the same thing for you: Take the highway for fast riding in your fancy Audi. If you drive the Stelvio you should respect other road users, including bycicle riders. It‘s not a race track. What do you expect going up one of the most dangerous passes in the alps in a wide, low and unfitting car for this scenario.
You went to Italy and rented a German car? BOO! That's as much of a bad move as going into an Italian restaurant and saying French red wine is better than Italian reds.
what would i drive on that road,something old school and analogue like a 360 modena or a mk1 acura nsx
I would drive a Mk1 Mini Cooper! Doing a reenactment of The Italian Job.
Rob and his crew would be pulling over for me and my crew as we went smokin' right past them in our Minis! 😅
Those roads weren't designed for those fancy cars. Only Minis!
I did Alps with my 360 Modena, a very analogue car, late August 2021. We specifically avoided all the "over hyped" passes like Stelvio and Furka and such, went for totally different route and there was next to 0 traffic. No tourists, caravans, no bicyclist, no motorcyclist, only locals. Free advice to SSRob:
Route was: Vipiteno -> San Leondarno & San Martino passes -> Merano (can be seen in this video also) -> Lago di Santa Giustina (a lake) -> Castelletto -> Molveno -> Ponte Arche -> Riva del Garda. One day, easily. Nothing but pure enjoyment and absolutely no stress (because of said things, tourist etc. were non existent).
Also there's epic mountain roads at the middle part of Italy, called Apennine Mountains. Take SS73bis from Urbino to San Giustino. One truely EPIC route. And I guarantee, 0% of tourist, cyclist, caravans. Its middle of nothing, no tourist attractions.
'And Thats a Problem'
wow the views are amazing
I've driven this shit ya heard me
Hello Rob,
I do not expect this comment to be popular. And realistically, I do not expect you to care.
But the sense of entitlement and arrogance that come across in this video are an enormous turn off.
I have watched your videos on an off for years. I subscribed 3 years ago and have watched almost every video since. My spouse and I have discussed signing up for one of the Adventure Drives.
I have deeply enjoyed your series about GC'ing your house, the Sorted series (which I was contemplating submitted our project car for), and the transparency and insights you provide into your business.
But in this video, rather than respecting other road users, all I hear is you complain. And I see you zipping around cyclists in what to me look like some close and uncomfortable (for the cyclists) passes.
This is all on a road that is scenic. It is a climb that frequently makes an appearance in the Giro d'Italia, one of the three biggest cycling races. And frankly, it's a beautiful place to enjoy the scenery, not to drive quickly.
Anyways, I'm out.
On a daily basis the riskiest thing I do is walk or ride a bike. It's risky because of inattentive drivers and drivers that are in such a rush that the X number of seconds they're going to save getting to the next red light are apparently more important than my life. And this video hits that chord for me.
I hope in the future you can show your fellow road users the same respect as Matt Farah does in his videos.
It's just part of his dirty Jersey charm
Not worried about the strike for the music playing?
Who knows. YOLO
If you hate stelvio so much then try transfăgărăşan highway
An early 70s e-type Jaguar
If you really want excitement go round them roads in winter with a nutty Italian bus driver driving like he's on the Italian job for a whole week all them safety blocks are a new thing their was nothing to stop you going off when I was there on all the mountain roads nobody wanted the window seats on the bus
Prefer Furka Pass to be honest.
Great views..now, come to visit Portugal, i bet you will love it
Use indicators for the love of god bro
If bicycles weren’t allowed, it would be 10 times better…. no reason for bicyclist to be on the road 😂
People ruin everything. It's pretty but thanks for doing ot so we dont have to. F that place
Cyclists' ability to ruin everyone's day knows no borders.
people all over the damn road, does no one know the rules? stick to your side
Drift car.
That car has a horn right?? Use it it’s Italy and just yell at people to move, I hate bicyclists!!!!!!
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