Checking Trump's card advantage math at 8:30: if Mind Control steals an enemy minion and that minion trades with another enemy minion, then you eliminated two cards (the two minions) with one card (Mind Control), which is a two-for-one, not a three-for-one as Trump stated. He's double-counting the stolen minion. Of course, Trump's right that stealing "something truly monstrous" can be a three-for-one or four-for-one.
No, he's correct in what he says. Mind Control steals something, equal to killing it, removing it from the opponents board, thats a 1 for 1. Then Mind Control plays you a minion. That's a 2 for 1 right there, killing and summoning with one spell. The minion that you got with mind control will take at least 1 removal from their side, and that makes it a 3 for 1. And if it takes them 2 cards to kill the minion you stole, that's a 4 for 1.
Let's say my opponent has two Venture Co Mercenaries in play. I Mind Control one of them. My opponent attacks it with the other one and now they're both dead. Where is the third card of my opponent's in your so-called three-for-one? :-)
At first I agreed with the comments here, but Mind Control itself is a card. One card. Kills an enemy minion. Plays you a minion. Right now you are 2 for 1. -- Remove 1 card, and gain 1 card for 1 card. Then they trade. You get 1 more card out of the same card. Now, it is 3 for 1. I do see where OP was going. The Mind Control's controlled minion would be considered a separate card there where it would affect the value to be 3 for 2 (mind control and your new minion are counted separately there)
No, Jeremy is right in that the minion you are double counting the stolen minion. For example, If I play a Bloodfen Raptor and trade it for a River Croc, it does not trade 2 for 1, one card for playing, and one card for killing the opponent's. Even if you viewed that trade as 2 for 1, then MC would give you 3 for 2, as they would get 2 value for their card.
General Ghoul His name isn't Trump though, lol. When people introduce themselves they say their first name, not last name. For example, he'd say my name is "Trump"...they say "Donald" or "Donald Trump." Also, at least I supported the winning candidate ;)
Mr Giggles His last name is Trump. He is known by the name, therefore it can be said his name is Trump regardless of how he would introduce himself. If one were to call out Mr. Trump in the same room he would look.
Seeing this video makes me want to start Hearthstone all over again, It may sound odd, but looking back I actually enjoyed my time when I had mostly basic decks more. Every new pack you earned was a surprise, opponents seemed nicer, and facing other players with mostly basic decks made for fun games. Watching these video's made me notice I'm starting to overlook these cards for all the newer and shinier ones, while many basic cards still hold value even today. Thank you for these video's. Even though I'm playing Hearthstone for almost a year, I'm still learning new things from them.
Thanks for the video, just subscribed yesterday! Really awesome tips. I tried this exact deck and I basically tried to outlast them until phase 10. I kept healing and healing, eventually the pally send out a legendary 11/7 card. Mind controlled and game over!
Talk about card advantage. I was just using your Level 0 Priest Deck in a game. I had three minions on the board, one of them being Northshire Cleric. It was Turn 8 and I had the second Northshire Cleric again. I was going to just play it, but then I drew Darkscale Healer. The opponent had two minions, though one of them had a deathrattle to summon a 1-health minion (the card's name escapes me at the moment). So I sent in my three minions to that they all lived but were injured. I played my Cleric and my Healer... and proceeded to draw SIX CARDS.... At the end of the game I had seven minions on the board and ten cards in my hand. On my final turn (the turn where I won) I burned a card, and my character did the, "I'm almost out of cards!" emote. The opponent had no cards in hand and one 6 or 7 mana minion on the board. Like... card advantage people....
Good video, but I have one small point to contest. By playing Blessing of Kings on your Northshire Cleric, the other player negated its use. Northshire especially early in the game against a paladin, is used mainly by attacking their Silver Hand Recruit and healing for a card. Because you now don't want to give him the card draws from the Blessing of Kings, he has denied you the early game use of the Cleric's draws. Of course, as the game continues and you have more minions to heal, the value of this play decreases, but it's certainly a good response to turn 1 Cleric.
But if u heal Cleric in the early game,it slows you quite significantly,and most of the time tempo in better And,as Trump managed to get 2 cards from the cliric,it was not that huge not to get them early on,but to get borad control
Its not a bad response, especially if your deck is built around alot of early recruits, however, as trump demonstrated and even explained, its a rather low level response.
I'm not so much of a begginer, but I like watching these in case something new for me appears and to refresh my memory. Anyway, just the game before watching I had 2 mind controls just like him. I gained the game from taking the enemy's ysera and fire lord! Now that is "truly monstrous". Thanks for the videos!
for those getting upset at 2 mind controls, consider the following. 1. he is above rank 14, so you aren't seeing a lot of uber decks just yet. you don't have to worry as much about a dead card (a card in your hand that you cannot play because the board is the way it is, often the case with mind control when you are behind). 2. his deck does not have legendaries in it. at least for me, i could only replace mind control with a card that had significant presence or power (either lightbomb, or a good legendary such as boom, ragnoros, sylvanus, etc). also gold cards suck if you are running the addon that tracks the cards in your deck vs the ones you have already pulled. it makes the list longer and less readable. also people like me either want a complete golden deck, or no gold cards at all. all or nothing, we want our card borders to match.
I just now realized how funny it would be to have a self-milling Priest deck. The idea of racing yourself to fatigue death before the enemy has a chance to kill you just sounds funny to me.
This game looks really interesting, I remember my Yu Gi Oh days back in 2004 when I was a boy, I have this habit of defending, making my opponent waste his cards while I drain away his life points with annoying continuous traps or damage per turn monsters. I dont usually win by beating the opponent down, i win by out attrition them. I gotta give this game a try.
+95ellington its really fun, i also played a lot of yugioh when i was younger, but i eventually stopped playing card games because i felt they were getting pretty boring. I gave this game a try and i loved it, now i play all the time.
I'm new to this game and thanks for the teachings =) It helped me won five wins in a roll with Priest. (Which never happened since I started playing this game, I just kept loosing haha.) So thank you very much =D
For who wants this deck, here is the decklist: ### Basic Priest # Class: Priest # Format: Standard # Year of the Raven # # 2x (1) Holy Smite # 2x (1) Northshire Cleric # 2x (1) Power Word: Shield # 2x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze # 2x (2) Bloodfen Raptor # 2x (2) Shadow Word: Pain # 1x (3) Razorfen Hunter # 2x (3) Shadow Word: Death # 2x (3) Shattered Sun Cleric # 2x (4) Chillwind Yeti # 2x (4) Gnomish Inventor # 2x (4) Sen'jin Shieldmasta # 1x (5) Darkscale Healer # 2x (5) Holy Nova # 2x (6) Boulderfist Ogre # 2x (10) Mind Control # AAECAa0GAoECxgQOCFrYAZcCtALgBOUE+wTJBooH0wrXCvIMlg0A # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
I dont understand why Trump did not attack with his cleric- If its noble sac, he pops the secret and can draw as well as heal and draw himself. If its avenge there's nothing to buff, good as well.
Yes of course, but it would be still a profti for card advantage if trump attacks, pops the secret for free (-1 for opponent) Opponent draws (+1) and Trump heals his cleric (+1 for him). --> Overall: Opponent is even, Trump got +1
I'm a complete noob at hearthstone, I mean I started 2 days ago, totally fresh. I won 2 games in arena, that's how bad I am. Anyway I trieds this deck out just so I can get an idea of how different classes work, learning the ins and outs etc and I have to say this deck is killing it for me. I've lost one ranked game so far to a hunter, seems to be a lot of hunters out there. Anyway just wanted to say thanks for the tips they have really helped my game.
@Jens When the paladin uses Blessing of Wisdom, he should get -1 as long as Trump has the cleric on board. When Trump uses Powerword Shield on the cleric, he should not cancel the paladins +1, since the shield is just a cycle, not a true draw.
Would Priest not have been a better class to demonstrate Board Control? Its Hero Power is made for just that purpose. Or was Northshire Cleric the sole reason for Priest being this choice? Or is Priest just the odd man out since Warlock was chosen for the Tapping lesson?
Mage and Shaman hero powers trump Priest for board control every time. It would also be a more accurate statement to say that its hero power is made to increase card value not board control.
huh, really thought you would have used lock for this but knwo thinking about it with all the discard effects in warlock i can see why you went for priest.
I forgot GvG was released today .............................................................................................. At least I have an excuse of going to the Dr.'s... But that isn't an excuse for GvG pack opening live stream lol
Alvanix Actually, yes, Gurubashi has great synergy with priest, since you can enrage him over and over AND keep him at high health, which lets you collect a lot of value if the opponent doesnt kill him, which often consumes one major spell. Ofc u can take a 2nd mind control, but thats just my preference
I don't agree with your choice to not attack with the Yeti and northshire at 5:41 there and then darkscale healer. You give him a card but it keeps your northshire alive which can provide more card advantage in the future. I can't think of any spell that punishes you at this point further than what not trading does. Developing the 2/4 is useful and you do get the same amount of cards as you would with the play mentioned above but like I said, the northshire is then vulnerable and you lose your only card engine at this point.
Turn 2 should have attacked and triggered the pally's secret (most probably a 2/1). Sure he would then get a card, but then you'd heal to gain a card as well. So the difference would be a net gain, since he'd be down a secret instead of nothing.
Hi peeps. Where would you mix those cards in, if even - to improve this deck: Amani Berzerker Mind Control Tech Sunwalker maybe a Knife Juggler Questing Adventurer Bog Creeper, too?
Not really any better choices if you restrict yourself to just basic cards your deck is going to be super slow no matter what so you might as well play the strongest cards you can. Also 2 mind controls is not very different than 1 mind control and ysera which was common in priest for quite a while.
Jay Hignite I play with her since forever and still like this card because it can single handely win you games. Admittably she currently is often a dead card in head, because you have no time to play her.
Ysera is great in control priest when the meta is slower and it can actually be played its just as CaptainKnodel said its usually a dead card with the meta being as fast as it is. Just because you should be ahead in cards doesn't mean you always will be sometimes games don't go your way and Ysera can easily bring you back from behind or give you advantage when tied and like all legendaries if you play her while ahead it becomes rather hard to lose. All this isn't even mentioning how much trading she can do in conjunction with priests hero power thanks to the 12 health. Alex on the other hand seems rather bad the effect is basically useless unless you have follow up burst to kill the opponent because as Trump so often says life is just a resource so unless its at 0 it doesn't really matter. That's why only warrior and mage use it at the top level, priest simply lacks the burst required to exploit its effect leaving as essentially a 9 mana vanilla 8/8 which needless to say is terrible. Of course you are free to disagree but there is a reason pros often put Ysera in their priest decks but you never see Alex.
Hey, I've found my self going back to these videos multiple times and copying the decks. Here's a import of the base deck that trump made and the level 10 version of it for when you get to level 10 with the class in the reply. AAECAa0GAoECgAYOWtgBlwK0AsYE4ATlBPsE8QWKB9cK2QryDJYNAA== To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone.
Card advantage is helpful in games other than hearthstone but it isn't the main thing. When i build a magic deck i usually have some card draw mechanic but it isn't anything too major. Usually in a 60 card deck i have about 5 cards that draw me cards unless it is a deck like my simic or my izzet. In those cases then i will usually have card advantage because i will have all the cards (except about 5 for safety) in my deck and then i would keep those cards because reliquary tower is amazing. In hearthstone however, you don't want to draw that many cards because you would inevitably lose. Since i switched from magic to hearthstone i am relatively confused as to how to build in just the right amount of card draw.
Card advantage isn't as simple as a card saying "Draw a card". Card advantage is relevant throughout an entire game, whether or not any player draws extra cards. Getting a 2 for 1 is card advantage. Anything that puts you ahead on cards, on the battlefield or in your hand, is card advantage.
True, and I am having a hard time quantifying that as I play games where card advantage isn't that much of a big deal (or at least I play decks in which it doesn't matter as much). I am trying to get better at hearthstone but it is a hard transition, for example, when i first started playing hearthstone, I thought that wisp and goldshire footman were good cards. Never in my life have i been so wrong.
Matthew Kaufmann Study the free, common and a bit of rare cards for each hero that way you get a feel for what to expect. Also being that many players just copy and paste decks from websites like hearthpwn.com you can go there and get an idea of what the meta is. However that is better for later levels. To sum up my pt learn what to expect from each hero. A good site would be hearthstone wiki. Also experiment with decks that have a strong theme for example a mill (draw card) rogue deck. This way you start to push the limits of what you can do which will help make better decks as well as teach you different manners in which to build a deck. Most importantly always stray from the meta, don't be a drone.
With Trump's deck at the end of the video any ideas what I could switch Sylvanas for? I know she's a really strong card I should hope to get one day but I still haven't unlocked her.
+Samuel Williams When replacing cards, you want things that have a lot of value. Holy champion is a 3/5 for 4 mana, and can be buffed easily, so it's pretty good value. You'd want to replace something that is also 4 mana, but has less value, I can't really say since I don't know what you have in your deck. If it were this deck, perhaps a sen'jin shieldmaster, since it has the same stats, but the holy champion can benefit from healing it and deal with bigger threats without needing a buff from another card, so it's better value. Light of the naaru, you could perhaps replace a power word: shield, since it has the same mana cost, and instead of drawing a card, you get a lightwarden, so it still does two things. Lightwell is tricky because it's a 0/5 so it doesn't really do much unless you have a board present already, or it often heals the wrong things and people will play around that, by attacking random things to make the lightwell inefficient, or people will remove it nearly instantly for free since it can't attack back.
Trump During the video I was worried that you would have gotten Equality + Concecrated. Is having such a big board really necessary? You could've lost everything to that. Maybe you should've kept more cards in hand to prevent such a possible swing from the opponent?
It's not just about getting equality + concecrated, it's about thinking about what happens if you do. In this case trump had enough minions in his hand to repopulate the board when the turn bounced back to him. Naturally, if you aren't at the advantage that trump was in, you would want to be more careful of overextending. This is even more so the case in the higher ranks where they can pyro+ equality (4 mana board clear) and then probably put something else down.
Although I'm not sure, the way that Trump was giving lessons very casually instead of being super-focused on the game in try-hard mode, and by the general way he was playing I assume that he didn't think very highly of his opponent, and never expected something as "efficent" as that to ever pop out from the other side.
i couldn't stop laughing at the end dude, you fucking decimated him. hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha. holy shit... that holy nova. trump, you have shown me the light.
one noob question, at 5:50 wouldn't it have made more sense to kill the argus defender with the yeti and the pala hero power with the cleric and then heal up with the darkscale healer to get more minions and draw multiple cards? D:
I've been playing this game for awhile now and still have no legendaries... the only good epics i have are molten giants (the other two i have are the murloc and the pirate -_-) i've had to open at least 20 packs. how long did it take to get some decent cards?
Trust me sister, my first legie was green skin, so I disenchanted, then I got baron geddon, so I disenchanted that, then I got cenarius after about 5 trillion packs. I just said screw it I'll main Druid
I don't understand why you didn't attack with the northshire on turn 2, you passed when you ad 2 mana, so you could have attacked, popped the secret and then healed your northshire cleric and drawn a card...the end result would have been, you popped their secret, gained a card and you still have a full health northshire cleric on the board... passing seemed...a mistake
Joseph Fisher His opponent put "blessing of wisdom on it so attacking would have also drawn a card for the opponent. So you must take into consideration this. That being said, your play would have worked optimally because you attack/heal and draw a card while destroying your opponent's secret for 1 card advantage (he also draws too). However, at that particular moment, you don't know what his secret is. In fact, if that were any of the other 3 possible paladin secrets (minus repentence because you know it cannot be repentence if you play a minion and the secret doesn't activate), you would give him a card for probably nothing in return which would be bad. All in all, you would have been more likely than not to lose card advantage instead by attacking with the northshire cleric.
So, I built this deck, and I'm still getting stomped. I literally draw horribly every time I try it. First time, all my 5-6's (after mulligan) and I was dead before I could play more than 2 cards. Another time was better, but I started with all my spells, no creatures, and then died with 7 cards in my deck, 4 of those being my Shadow Word: Pain, and Mind controls. *sigh*
It's a 1 mana minion that has 3 health (a sweet spot for Priests, because it means you can always Lesser Heal it to full if it isn't already dead), it kills 3/2s without dying to 2/1s, in early game the deathrattle doesn't matter if you just control the board and don't bother hitting face (which is what all Priests do because their rush potential is the worst of the 9 classes) and in late game the deathrattle is synergistic with Auchenai Soulpriest.
This video also shows why a lot of the paladin class cards are not great. Almost 100% of the time they cause you to trade 2 for 1 which makes you lose card advantage.
I've been at this since 8 o'clock and every victory feels as though its' based on RNG. I try to control the field but in the end it either pays off or the opponent draws a couple of heavy hitters I can't seem to sweep. The only thing I haven't tried is buying card packs with money outright- I'm sensing that this may be the only path forward. How disappointing :\... Hearthstone seems fun, but once again, Microtransactions have struck again.
Care to elaborate why you didn't face-attack on turn 2 in order to pop the secret? You pop 2 out of 5 possible secrets with it, your summon next turn checks for 1 more and you killing his next summon gives you the final answer. If the secret was Redemption you would have to deal with a 5/1 which you would have to spend your topdecked second holy smite.
Andrey Penchev Because that secret could also be avenge, eye for eye, or redemption (excluding repentence because it can't be repentence). At that particular moment you would gain card advantage if that secret is noble sacrifice. However, you would lose card advantage if it were any of the 3 other secrets above. No good player would take a gamble with those kinds of odds.
Andrey Penchev Bear in mind we're talking about new players opponents here who would probably pop eye and redemption in a deck just because, not the high rank metagame. That being said, I wouldn't think a new player would have avenge anyways. But still, it would be a risky (and imo, not worth it) decision to attack with the cleric.
Priest is basically a troll class, like didnt blizzard realize that by making a class that steals other classes cards that people will rage? I auto quit agaisnt priest as I dont want to play agaisnt my own cards.
DawnOfErik They only way to play around the priests cards is to make a really really shitty rush deck, and then whenever you don't play priest you lose.
Gram T Usually if you want to counter it, you want to get the full use of what you might think he'll control before turn 10. If you really fear it, have a hard removal ready.
+Gram T Often Priests who run mind control, or even two, will have to run mind control instead of a bigger minion, like you saw at the beginning, trump removed some of his bigger minions to make space for mind control, so you would just have to use a big removal tool like polymorph etc. on the minion that they stole (if it was really really big), or trade with it favourably, just as if it were one of their own cards. It's not that bad since if they didn't mind control, they would instead run something else big, which you would have to do the same to, the only downside is that you lost your minion as well. You can also "bait" out things like that, once you understand what cards your opponent might be using. For example, if you have a huge, powerful card in your hand, but also a huge, less-powerful card, and you suspect they have mind control, you would play the less powerful one first, so that they don't mind control the more powerful one - so there you would of baited out the mind control by offering them something that they might want to take, but not something that you necessarily care about them taking. You could also offer them something while you have something to remove it in your hand, such as polymorph or assassinate or whatever you have depending on the class.
weasel3k To show a complete beginner what they can use. It might confuse some complete newb if he's picking golden cards and they don't see them in their inventory
weasel3k Trump also doesnt like to use golden cards because they don't look the same as the standard cards. He's mentioned that he will only use goldens if he has all the cards in a deck golden.
I have no idea how to explain what I just experienced. I went 4-3 just a second ago, not too great but eh, why not try again? Built a pretty decent shaman deck, and immediately went 0-3. Each person I faced had a minimum of two legendaries. I almost won the last game, I had full control of the board and everything, but was down to 2 hp. He had no cards whatsoever...then he topdecked fucking Bluegill Murloc for the EXACT 2 damage of charge to kill me. 0-3. Fucking. Wow. It seems like Arena is getting more and more fucking bullshit these days.
jayblade2000 now a days it might be tough to rank up without a constructed deck, bur it ous possible to, you will.need to get to level 10 before you see some big improvements and use the tavern brawl free packs to help boost your deck faster
Should have an additional Trump Teachings.
Prison Trump Teaches BM.
11:00 the majestic Recruit Yeti, in his natural habitat on the board
Checking Trump's card advantage math at 8:30: if Mind Control steals an enemy minion and that minion trades with another enemy minion, then you eliminated two cards (the two minions) with one card (Mind Control), which is a two-for-one, not a three-for-one as Trump stated. He's double-counting the stolen minion. Of course, Trump's right that stealing "something truly monstrous" can be a three-for-one or four-for-one.
It is a three-for-one. Mind Control is like : "Destroy an enemy minion, play this same minion". Then you proceed to kill a minion. Three-for-one.
No, he's correct in what he says. Mind Control steals something, equal to killing it, removing it from the opponents board, thats a 1 for 1. Then Mind Control plays you a minion. That's a 2 for 1 right there, killing and summoning with one spell. The minion that you got with mind control will take at least 1 removal from their side, and that makes it a 3 for 1. And if it takes them 2 cards to kill the minion you stole, that's a 4 for 1.
Let's say my opponent has two Venture Co Mercenaries in play. I Mind Control one of them. My opponent attacks it with the other one and now they're both dead. Where is the third card of my opponent's in your so-called three-for-one? :-)
At first I agreed with the comments here, but Mind Control itself is a card.
One card.
Kills an enemy minion. Plays you a minion.
Right now you are 2 for 1. -- Remove 1 card, and gain 1 card for 1 card.
Then they trade.
You get 1 more card out of the same card.
Now, it is 3 for 1.
I do see where OP was going.
The Mind Control's controlled minion would be considered a separate card there where it would affect the value to be 3 for 2 (mind control and your new minion are counted separately there)
No, Jeremy is right in that the minion you are double counting the stolen minion. For example, If I play a Bloodfen Raptor and trade it for a River Croc, it does not trade 2 for 1, one card for playing, and one card for killing the opponent's. Even if you viewed that trade as 2 for 1, then MC would give you 3 for 2, as they would get 2 value for their card.
5years later and I love the insane value you can get
you are the best guy named Trump i know
Which isn't really saying much
You mean Donald Trump? Whose name is Donald? Hopefully you're not voting
Donald Trumps name is Donald Trump, you literally just said it. Trump is his name, funny because you're enforcing the Trump supporter stereotype.
General Ghoul His name isn't Trump though, lol. When people introduce themselves they say their first name, not last name. For example, he'd say my name is "Trump"...they say "Donald" or "Donald Trump."
Also, at least I supported the winning candidate ;)
Mr Giggles His last name is Trump. He is known by the name, therefore it can be said his name is Trump regardless of how he would introduce himself. If one were to call out Mr. Trump in the same room he would look.
Seeing this video makes me want to start Hearthstone all over again, It may sound odd, but looking back I actually enjoyed my time when I had mostly basic decks more. Every new pack you earned was a surprise, opponents seemed nicer, and facing other players with mostly basic decks made for fun games.
Watching these video's made me notice I'm starting to overlook these cards for all the newer and shinier ones, while many basic cards still hold value even today.
Thank you for these video's. Even though I'm playing Hearthstone for almost a year, I'm still learning new things from them.
True.
Please keep making videos like this Trump and in the futrue some in more advanced strategies with more example would be amazing!
11:27 The value. The MtG player in me is pleased.
Same
I like the song you use at the end; it really fits the mood of your channel. Thoughtful, fun, smooth, tech-savvy, and heroic. :)
Even have been playing this game for 6 months, I can still learn quite a lot from these "teaching" videos, thx Trump :)
Thanks for the video, just subscribed yesterday! Really awesome tips. I tried this exact deck and I basically tried to outlast them until phase 10. I kept healing and healing, eventually the pally send out a legendary 11/7 card. Mind controlled and game over!
Talk about card advantage. I was just using your Level 0 Priest Deck in a game. I had three minions on the board, one of them being Northshire Cleric. It was Turn 8 and I had the second Northshire Cleric again. I was going to just play it, but then I drew Darkscale Healer. The opponent had two minions, though one of them had a deathrattle to summon a 1-health minion (the card's name escapes me at the moment). So I sent in my three minions to that they all lived but were injured. I played my Cleric and my Healer... and proceeded to draw SIX CARDS.... At the end of the game I had seven minions on the board and ten cards in my hand. On my final turn (the turn where I won) I burned a card, and my character did the, "I'm almost out of cards!" emote. The opponent had no cards in hand and one 6 or 7 mana minion on the board. Like... card advantage people....
Just started playing this game. Like with any card game, it's always a bit overwhelming going in blind, but these videos have been extremely helpful!
Good video, but I have one small point to contest. By playing Blessing of Kings on your Northshire Cleric, the other player negated its use. Northshire especially early in the game against a paladin, is used mainly by attacking their Silver Hand Recruit and healing for a card. Because you now don't want to give him the card draws from the Blessing of Kings, he has denied you the early game use of the Cleric's draws. Of course, as the game continues and you have more minions to heal, the value of this play decreases, but it's certainly a good response to turn 1 Cleric.
Blessing of Wisdom*
But yes, I completely agree.
But if u heal Cleric in the early game,it slows you quite significantly,and most of the time tempo in better
And,as Trump managed to get 2 cards from the cliric,it was not that huge not to get them early on,but to get borad control
He went over that.
NeonHydra Oops, totally slipped my mind. You're completely correct.
Its not a bad response, especially if your deck is built around alot of early recruits, however, as trump demonstrated and even explained, its a rather low level response.
Great series. You do a really good job of explaining the game.
I'm not so much of a begginer, but I like watching these in case something new for me appears and to refresh my memory.
Anyway, just the game before watching I had 2 mind controls just like him. I gained the game from taking the enemy's ysera and fire lord! Now that is "truly monstrous".
Thanks for the videos!
for those getting upset at 2 mind controls, consider the following.
1. he is above rank 14, so you aren't seeing a lot of uber decks just yet. you don't have to worry as much about a dead card (a card in your hand that you cannot play because the board is the way it is, often the case with mind control when you are behind).
2. his deck does not have legendaries in it. at least for me, i could only replace mind control with a card that had significant presence or power (either lightbomb, or a good legendary such as boom, ragnoros, sylvanus, etc).
also gold cards suck if you are running the addon that tracks the cards in your deck vs the ones you have already pulled. it makes the list longer and less readable. also people like me either want a complete golden deck, or no gold cards at all. all or nothing, we want our card borders to match.
This video turned my whole game around.
I just now realized how funny it would be to have a self-milling Priest deck. The idea of racing yourself to fatigue death before the enemy has a chance to kill you just sounds funny to me.
This game looks really interesting, I remember my Yu Gi Oh days back in 2004 when I was a boy, I have this habit of defending, making my opponent waste his cards while I drain away his life points with annoying continuous traps or damage per turn monsters. I dont usually win by beating the opponent down, i win by out attrition them. I gotta give this game a try.
+95ellington its really fun, i also played a lot of yugioh when i was younger, but i eventually stopped playing card games because i felt they were getting pretty boring. I gave this game a try and i loved it, now i play all the time.
I'm new to this game and thanks for the teachings =)
It helped me won five wins in a roll with Priest. (Which never happened since I started playing this game, I just kept loosing haha.)
So thank you very much =D
For who wants this deck, here is the decklist:
### Basic Priest
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Holy Smite
# 2x (1) Northshire Cleric
# 2x (1) Power Word: Shield
# 2x (2) Acidic Swamp Ooze
# 2x (2) Bloodfen Raptor
# 2x (2) Shadow Word: Pain
# 1x (3) Razorfen Hunter
# 2x (3) Shadow Word: Death
# 2x (3) Shattered Sun Cleric
# 2x (4) Chillwind Yeti
# 2x (4) Gnomish Inventor
# 2x (4) Sen'jin Shieldmasta
# 1x (5) Darkscale Healer
# 2x (5) Holy Nova
# 2x (6) Boulderfist Ogre
# 2x (10) Mind Control
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
I dont understand why Trump did not attack with his cleric- If its noble sac, he pops the secret and can draw as well as heal and draw himself. If its avenge there's nothing to buff, good as well.
So i'm not the only one who's thinking that way.
ok now i realized that the opponent put an Blessing of Wisdom on the Cleric. In that case, i wouldn't have attacked, too. Just fine. :D
Yes of course, but it would be still a profti for card advantage if trump attacks, pops the secret for free (-1 for opponent) Opponent draws (+1) and Trump heals his cleric (+1 for him). --> Overall: Opponent is even, Trump got +1
Huh, why is this bar there? :-D
And if it isn't, he just did one damage and gave his opponent a card.
Recently started playing these vids help a bunch
Very accurate lesson from Trump, he is the perfect tutor:)
Thank you Trump for teaching!
Why can't all Priest games run this fucking smooth?
Another great video thanks Trump!
I'm a complete noob at hearthstone, I mean I started 2 days ago, totally fresh. I won 2 games in arena, that's how bad I am. Anyway I trieds this deck out just so I can get an idea of how different classes work, learning the ins and outs etc and I have to say this deck is killing it for me. I've lost one ranked game so far to a hunter, seems to be a lot of hunters out there. Anyway just wanted to say thanks for the tips they have really helped my game.
76HabeasCorpus 2 games in arena? That's great. I only just started getting 4-7 wins. and that's thanks to an arena guide at Icy Veins. :P
Good for you.
Haha, the pally just leaves. I didn't expect that.
I got Grom hellscream in unstable portal it was funny because my enamy was warrior
dude you're tips are so good! and they work
@Jens
When the paladin uses Blessing of Wisdom, he should get -1 as long as Trump has the cleric on board.
When Trump uses Powerword Shield on the cleric, he should not cancel the paladins +1, since the shield is just a cycle, not a true draw.
These videos are glorious and so are the comments.
thanks very much u helped me as well love ur stream hope u will continue playing
I got a sneeds old shredder in my second card pack of the new update!!!
I got 2 epics in my Gg packs
I got voljin and new warlock legendary in 6 packs
Would Priest not have been a better class to demonstrate Board Control? Its Hero Power is made for just that purpose. Or was Northshire Cleric the sole reason for Priest being this choice? Or is Priest just the odd man out since Warlock was chosen for the Tapping lesson?
A mages hero ability and cards like flamestrike are more suited to the board control lesson than priest
Mage and Shaman hero powers trump Priest for board control every time. It would also be a more accurate statement to say that its hero power is made to increase card value not board control.
huh, really thought you would have used lock for this but knwo thinking about it with all the discard effects in warlock i can see why you went for priest.
I forgot GvG was released today
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At least I have an excuse of going to the Dr.'s... But that isn't an excuse for GvG pack opening live stream lol
I got vol'jin(priest legendary) and the new warlock legendary that makes you invincible while he is alive
Was his name Dr. Boom? I see him everyday.
ReMeDy He's the most popular Dr in town.
Dr. pepper
Hey, Great Teachings man!
I really appreciate it :)
2 Mind Controls? I never use more than one, it's a 10 mana card, meaning I can only play that in a turn, so I dont like having more
Would you rather him play a Gurubashi?
Alvanix Actually, yes, Gurubashi has great synergy with priest, since you can enrage him over and over AND keep him at high health, which lets you collect a lot of value if the opponent doesnt kill him, which often consumes one major spell. Ofc u can take a 2nd mind control, but thats just my preference
David Freitas Silence, anything with high attack, Mind Controlling it. Need more?
Jaridavin One mind control has worked fine for everyone, even more, if you see the last deck he showcased, it only had one mind control. 2 is a waste.
David Freitas The second one was being used as he ended it, which actually got him lethal XD
Could you be able to create a glossary with terms and definitions? For example, metagame.
I don't agree with your choice to not attack with the Yeti and northshire at 5:41 there and then darkscale healer. You give him a card but it keeps your northshire alive which can provide more card advantage in the future. I can't think of any spell that punishes you at this point further than what not trading does. Developing the 2/4 is useful and you do get the same amount of cards as you would with the play mentioned above but like I said, the northshire is then vulnerable and you lose your only card engine at this point.
Turn 2 should have attacked and triggered the pally's secret (most probably a 2/1). Sure he would then get a card, but then you'd heal to gain a card as well. So the difference would be a net gain, since he'd be down a secret instead of nothing.
Hi peeps.
Where would you mix those cards in, if even - to improve this deck:
Amani Berzerker
Mind Control Tech
Sunwalker
maybe a
Knife Juggler
Questing Adventurer
Bog Creeper, too?
Today I got Vol'jin in my second of the three free GvG card packs!
this was the best advice ever.
Yes yes yes right on time, sir! Ty
considering the train wreck that was the warlords of dreanor launch i wont be surprised if the wait for gvg is a full day
This is really helpful.
2 mind controls?
Not really any better choices if you restrict yourself to just basic cards your deck is going to be super slow no matter what so you might as well play the strongest cards you can. Also 2 mind controls is not very different than 1 mind control and ysera which was common in priest for quite a while.
Jay Hignite Ysera is still popular in priest.
I haven't seen any running it lately too slow with all the hunter but then I haven't played much this season so maybe that's changed
Jay Hignite I play with her since forever and still like this card because it can single handely win you games. Admittably she currently is often a dead card in head, because you have no time to play her.
Ysera is great in control priest when the meta is slower and it can actually be played its just as CaptainKnodel said its usually a dead card with the meta being as fast as it is. Just because you should be ahead in cards doesn't mean you always will be sometimes games don't go your way and Ysera can easily bring you back from behind or give you advantage when tied and like all legendaries if you play her while ahead it becomes rather hard to lose. All this isn't even mentioning how much trading she can do in conjunction with priests hero power thanks to the 12 health.
Alex on the other hand seems rather bad the effect is basically useless unless you have follow up burst to kill the opponent because as Trump so often says life is just a resource so unless its at 0 it doesn't really matter. That's why only warrior and mage use it at the top level, priest simply lacks the burst required to exploit its effect leaving as essentially a 9 mana vanilla 8/8 which needless to say is terrible.
Of course you are free to disagree but there is a reason pros often put Ysera in their priest decks but you never see Alex.
Really well done
Missed last Mind Control BM :(
Hey, I've found my self going back to these videos multiple times and copying the decks. Here's a import of the base deck that trump made and the level 10 version of it for when you get to level 10 with the class in the reply.
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To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone.
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so basically i have to try and keep board control and get full hand?
Has anyone else noticed that the stick trump holds in the thumbnail is just expo pens XD.
Managed to get Velen legendary in one of my packs. Is there a budget deck I could use with it?
is this still the best deck at level 10?
Card advantage is helpful in games other than hearthstone but it isn't the main thing. When i build a magic deck i usually have some card draw mechanic but it isn't anything too major. Usually in a 60 card deck i have about 5 cards that draw me cards unless it is a deck like my simic or my izzet. In those cases then i will usually have card advantage because i will have all the cards (except about 5 for safety) in my deck and then i would keep those cards because reliquary tower is amazing. In hearthstone however, you don't want to draw that many cards because you would inevitably lose. Since i switched from magic to hearthstone i am relatively confused as to how to build in just the right amount of card draw.
Card advantage isn't as simple as a card saying "Draw a card". Card advantage is relevant throughout an entire game, whether or not any player draws extra cards. Getting a 2 for 1 is card advantage. Anything that puts you ahead on cards, on the battlefield or in your hand, is card advantage.
True, and I am having a hard time quantifying that as I play games where card advantage isn't that much of a big deal (or at least I play decks in which it doesn't matter as much). I am trying to get better at hearthstone but it is a hard transition, for example, when i first started playing hearthstone, I thought that wisp and goldshire footman were good cards. Never in my life have i been so wrong.
Matthew Kaufmann Study the free, common and a bit of rare cards for each hero that way you get a feel for what to expect. Also being that many players just copy and paste decks from websites like hearthpwn.com you can go there and get an idea of what the meta is. However that is better for later levels. To sum up my pt learn what to expect from each hero. A good site would be hearthstone wiki. Also experiment with decks that have a strong theme for example a mill (draw card) rogue deck. This way you start to push the limits of what you can do which will help make better decks as well as teach you different manners in which to build a deck. Most importantly always stray from the meta, don't be a drone.
Random question, does trump have something against picking golden cards? I am curious as to why 100% of the time he will go for the ungold version
With Trump's deck at the end of the video any ideas what I could switch Sylvanas for? I know she's a really strong card I should hope to get one day but I still haven't unlocked her.
Mind control tech
'He who controls the cards, controls the universe' Hopefully someone will get the reference. :-)
Dune 2000: Enrico from the Ordos house said: " He who control the spice, control the Universe. That is the mission."
What is your battle tag? Are you even releasing that? Great videos btw (^_^)
Very cool deck!
why does he always end the turn with 2+ mana when he can heal his cleric
So what would i take out if i wanted to add cards like lightwell holy champion and light of the naru??
+Samuel Williams When replacing cards, you want things that have a lot of value. Holy champion is a 3/5 for 4 mana, and can be buffed easily, so it's pretty good value. You'd want to replace something that is also 4 mana, but has less value, I can't really say since I don't know what you have in your deck. If it were this deck, perhaps a sen'jin shieldmaster, since it has the same stats, but the holy champion can benefit from healing it and deal with bigger threats without needing a buff from another card, so it's better value. Light of the naaru, you could perhaps replace a power word: shield, since it has the same mana cost, and instead of drawing a card, you get a lightwarden, so it still does two things. Lightwell is tricky because it's a 0/5 so it doesn't really do much unless you have a board present already, or it often heals the wrong things and people will play around that, by attacking random things to make the lightwell inefficient, or people will remove it nearly instantly for free since it can't attack back.
Over the past two days, went from rank 16 to rank 11 with priest. Uploaded the videos to my channel
I know this deck is old, but i wanna try it, Any cards to replace the Cabal Shadow Priest???
There is no card to replace it, since it kills a 2 drop from your opponent and get a 2 + 4 drop
If you're watching this in 2018, please don't be another Priest main.
The northshire cleric card has been banished to wild now :(
Trump During the video I was worried that you would have gotten Equality + Concecrated. Is having such a big board really necessary? You could've lost everything to that. Maybe you should've kept more cards in hand to prevent such a possible swing from the opponent?
Equality+Concecrate doesn't really matter if you're constantly keeping a seven card hand.
It's not just about getting equality + concecrated, it's about thinking about what happens if you do. In this case trump had enough minions in his hand to repopulate the board when the turn bounced back to him. Naturally, if you aren't at the advantage that trump was in, you would want to be more careful of overextending. This is even more so the case in the higher ranks where they can pyro+ equality (4 mana board clear) and then probably put something else down.
Although I'm not sure, the way that Trump was giving lessons very casually instead of being super-focused on the game in try-hard mode, and by the general way he was playing I assume that he didn't think very highly of his opponent, and never expected something as "efficent" as that to ever pop out from the other side.
i couldn't stop laughing at the end dude, you fucking decimated him. hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha. holy shit... that holy nova. trump, you have shown me the light.
He adopted the Trump name before it was tarnished for eternity.
Thanks for your work. Curiously, why is priest not used at high levels?
+Morris DuBose because it's offen a slow or expensive class to be competetive
+Alexander Markström thanks
Guys in your opinion which are the best Heores to build a deck? At Low level and high level both
+Gioun. plz Low: warlock, shaman and hunter. High: druid, paladin, warrior, warlock, priest.
Jupix k thanks!
Right now i'm in love with Paladin-Mage-Druid xD
Does smite have a new slot graphic?
Is 2 thoughsteal worth ?
one noob question, at 5:50 wouldn't it have made more sense to kill the argus defender with the yeti and the pala hero power with the cleric and then heal up with the darkscale healer to get more minions and draw multiple cards? D:
He would too many cards
whats the difference between the normal and the golden card?
the golden card has an animation and it costs more to craft or disenchant
Aditya Lee Nothing statistical, It's all just for show
Priest can make an insane Gurubashi - why not do that?
+ShamGam3 theres a lot of stuff that can counter it. like mind control, faceless manipulator, hex, polymorph, big game hunter, etc.
Yea, that's what I ended up realizing. The hard way lol
lel double divine shield double spirit healer once inner fire and there you go you got a 44/44 gurubashi xD
and then silenced.
Sometimes
Wait guys so was this control priest or tempo..? Doesnt make sense but yea..
I've been playing this game for awhile now and still have no legendaries... the only good epics i have are molten giants (the other two i have are the murloc and the pirate -_-) i've had to open at least 20 packs. how long did it take to get some decent cards?
Trust me sister, my first legie was green skin, so I disenchanted, then I got baron geddon, so I disenchanted that, then I got cenarius after about 5 trillion packs. I just said screw it I'll main Druid
well i started a new account yesterday and opened 6 gvg packs and got 2 legwndary
can someone explain this turn 2? wasnt it attack with girl, get noble sacrifice, heal girl for 2:0 exchange?
You can't be sure it's Noble Sacrifice. In case it's Avenge you just gave your opponent a free card.
oh right i forgot his cleric has the carddraw thingy on it^^
I don't understand why you didn't attack with the northshire on turn 2, you passed when you ad 2 mana, so you could have attacked, popped the secret and then healed your northshire cleric and drawn a card...the end result would have been, you popped their secret, gained a card and you still have a full health northshire cleric on the board... passing seemed...a mistake
Joseph Fisher
His opponent put "blessing of wisdom on it so attacking would have also drawn a card for the opponent. So you must take into consideration this.
That being said, your play would have worked optimally because you attack/heal and draw a card while destroying your opponent's secret for 1 card advantage (he also draws too). However, at that particular moment, you don't know what his secret is. In fact, if that were any of the other 3 possible paladin secrets (minus repentence because you know it cannot be repentence if you play a minion and the secret doesn't activate), you would give him a card for probably nothing in return which would be bad. All in all, you would have been more likely than not to lose card advantage instead by attacking with the northshire cleric.
Clearly sir, you didn't listen to Trump as he explained why he didn't attack with the North Shire Cleric
5:32 . it would be 1 damage, but there was no reason for you not to attack.
So, I built this deck, and I'm still getting stomped. I literally draw horribly every time I try it. First time, all my 5-6's (after mulligan) and I was dead before I could play more than 2 cards. Another time was better, but I started with all my spells, no creatures, and then died with 7 cards in my deck, 4 of those being my Shadow Word: Pain, and Mind controls. *sigh*
Lol GvG ad before the video starts
On the final deck, why zombie chow?
Because it's arguably the bests one drop that a board controly deck could run.
It's a 1 mana minion that has 3 health (a sweet spot for Priests, because it means you can always Lesser Heal it to full if it isn't already dead), it kills 3/2s without dying to 2/1s, in early game the deathrattle doesn't matter if you just control the board and don't bother hitting face (which is what all Priests do because their rush potential is the worst of the 9 classes) and in late game the deathrattle is synergistic with Auchenai Soulpriest.
This video also shows why a lot of the paladin class cards are not great. Almost 100% of the time they cause you to trade 2 for 1 which makes you lose card advantage.
I've been at this since 8 o'clock and every victory feels as though its' based on RNG. I try to control the field but in the end it either pays off or the opponent draws a couple of heavy hitters I can't seem to sweep. The only thing I haven't tried is buying card packs with money outright- I'm sensing that this may be the only path forward. How disappointing :\... Hearthstone seems fun, but once again, Microtransactions have struck again.
Care to elaborate why you didn't face-attack on turn 2 in order to pop the secret? You pop 2 out of 5 possible secrets with it, your summon next turn checks for 1 more and you killing his next summon gives you the final answer. If the secret was Redemption you would have to deal with a 5/1 which you would have to spend your topdecked second holy smite.
Andrey Penchev Because that secret could also be avenge, eye for eye, or redemption (excluding repentence because it can't be repentence).
At that particular moment you would gain card advantage if that secret is noble sacrifice. However, you would lose card advantage if it were any of the 3 other secrets above. No good player would take a gamble with those kinds of odds.
Partially agree since eye and redemption are rarely (close to never) used and trades have to be adjusted later if it's avenge.
Andrey Penchev Bear in mind we're talking about new players opponents here who would probably pop eye and redemption in a deck just because, not the high rank metagame.
That being said, I wouldn't think a new player would have avenge anyways. But still, it would be a risky (and imo, not worth it) decision to attack with the cleric.
Priest is basically a troll class, like didnt blizzard realize that by making a class that steals other classes cards that people will rage? I auto quit agaisnt priest as I dont want to play agaisnt my own cards.
so if you are mage and you meet a mage you quit to
oh no 4 random cards from my deck maybe you should just get good scrub
Hate to break it to you, but not being able to play around your opponents cards has nothing to do with Blizzard, it just makes you bad :P
David Brodock I love it when the only response is quit the game or stop whining or get better at the game. Very intelligent.
DawnOfErik They only way to play around the priests cards is to make a really really shitty rush deck, and then whenever you don't play priest you lose.
Trump you are the best! :)
when do u get healing circle?
+Alex Rodriguez Open classic packs
Packs
Priest vs Paladin its always in advantage. I wanted to see him teach the opposite.
No, I think he wanted to talk about importance of card advantages. Not case by case between different classes.
Ist Basic Stufe what he is Tesching ... On this Basic Levels there arent that "Bad" Matches ...
He didn't exactly have a choice what class his opponent would play.
Pinkiepie Forfurher You're right, but this is a recording. There's always the possibility of waiting for another class.
Sludge Beltcher why i cant find it? :O
What do you mean?
You have to unlock and defeat the bosses in Adventure Mode. Sludge Belcher is on tier 2.
You need to buy Naxxramas
how do you counter "mind control"?
Gram T you don't :D
Gram T Usually if you want to counter it, you want to get the full use of what you might think he'll control before turn 10. If you really fear it, have a hard removal ready.
Gram T by using counterspell
1/9 classes aren't garrunteed to be able to do that -_- be practical its a practical question.
+Gram T Often Priests who run mind control, or even two, will have to run mind control instead of a bigger minion, like you saw at the beginning, trump removed some of his bigger minions to make space for mind control, so you would just have to use a big removal tool like polymorph etc. on the minion that they stole (if it was really really big), or trade with it favourably, just as if it were one of their own cards. It's not that bad since if they didn't mind control, they would instead run something else big, which you would have to do the same to, the only downside is that you lost your minion as well. You can also "bait" out things like that, once you understand what cards your opponent might be using. For example, if you have a huge, powerful card in your hand, but also a huge, less-powerful card, and you suspect they have mind control, you would play the less powerful one first, so that they don't mind control the more powerful one - so there you would of baited out the mind control by offering them something that they might want to take, but not something that you necessarily care about them taking. You could also offer them something while you have something to remove it in your hand, such as polymorph or assassinate or whatever you have depending on the class.
Why does he never get the golden cards?!? Arrggh it's driving me nuts. Get those animations
weasel3k To show a complete beginner what they can use. It might confuse some complete newb if he's picking golden cards and they don't see them in their inventory
weasel3k Trump also doesnt like to use golden cards because they don't look the same as the standard cards. He's mentioned that he will only use goldens if he has all the cards in a deck golden.
What Robert said, not Billy.
But they're so pretty!
I have no idea how to explain what I just experienced. I went 4-3 just a second ago, not too great but eh, why not try again? Built a pretty decent shaman deck, and immediately went 0-3. Each person I faced had a minimum of two legendaries. I almost won the last game, I had full control of the board and everything, but was down to 2 hp. He had no cards whatsoever...then he topdecked fucking Bluegill Murloc for the EXACT 2 damage of charge to kill me. 0-3. Fucking. Wow. It seems like Arena is getting more and more fucking bullshit these days.
u mad
gregor clegane
you bigot
how can it get more bs
Mijochda weaboo scumbag
Trump. It used to be just a Hearthstone TH-camr's name. Now it means that guy with creepy hair who wants to be America's next president.
my basic deck at lvl 1 was not the same as Trumps o.o?
+ProudGrandma to quote garrosh 'time's change' this video was posted in 2014 and these basic decks where decks he suggested in earlier videos
RiddleOfLightning
Thanks man, I thought that was the case :)
Can you make a good playable deck at lvl 1? I'm thinking about joining Hearthstone
jayblade2000 now a days it might be tough to rank up without a constructed deck, bur it ous possible to, you will.need to get to level 10 before you see some big improvements and use the tavern brawl free packs to help boost your deck faster
RiddleOfLightning
Thanks!
5:28 U FORGOT TO ATTACK WITH CLERIC
***** Didnt see it was blessed
Very Doge FacePalm.