ECHO SRM-3020 vs. STIHL FS-111
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- I am honored to be one of the FIRST to try ECHO's brand new line of trimmer, the SRM-3020's! Review of an SRM-3020U and a direct comparison against a brand new STIHL FS-111 for a fair and biased comparison. Subscribe for upcoming info on ECHO's brand new PB-8010 blower!
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Don't you mean UN-biased?
WHOOPS! Now don't I feel sheepish! 😳
Copper Creek Cuts lol. Happens to use all. ;)
@@CopperCreekCuts Well no body is perfect, Except us perfect people including Jesus and i'm not referring to hey-suse! lol
From what I saw , I think he MEANT biased. Both are excellent tools
I had a model older than this one that I love. My sister has difficulty with tools that are too heavy and she actually loved mine and found it easy to use th-cam.com/users/postUgkx_rBCFuDW1zD6blTGhLkvAkxU657uR_lG . This is a newer model but was even lighter which she really appreciates. She enjoys it and I no longer have to go to her house to trim as she can handle it fine. Haven't used it enough to comment on the battery life but lithium batteries last longer than the old style. Being cordless makes it easy to trim the far edges of the property. The entire yard can be trimmed with one charged battery.
I’ve used the sthil 4-mix and echo professional tools for 15years. Never had a problem with either brand. The 4-mix warms up way faster than the 2-strokes and the low end grunt is awesome for weedeating. The valves aren’t hard to adjust AT ALL but I like both, they are both quality machines.
I appreciate the feedback, thanks for watching!
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What did you mean by "low end grunt" on the 4-mix Stihl engine? The 4-mix engine is difficult to feather the throttle. It likes to be run at maximum throttle only.
@@stevew3978 because 4 strokes have torque in low rpm. I can feather my 111 around allday
I love my Echo 400U brushcutter which is essentially the same as a 410U. I am not a professional but, I have had mine for 12 years or more with several hundred hours of hard use and have never had a problem with it.
Very glad to hear it, thank you for watching and commenting!
I second that, I had a SRM410-u, so far the most powerful line trimmer I ever used in 18 years doing Lawncare. But due to a lower back injury I had to replace it for something lighter.
Very good un--biased comparison -- appreciate the excellent videography and scripting
XD Thanks for the comment. I flubbed that one up for sure! ;)
I was right about to say did I hear that right
Got the 3020T about 3 weeks ago and loving it! It's a beast of a string trimmer. Also got the brush cutter conversion kit for whenever I need it as well. Started with the home grade trimmers from Lowe's and with the tougher weeds it just wasn't cutting it so based on the reviews...yours being one of them I bought one and couldn't be happier. Your reviews are awesome!
I am thrilled to hear that, thank you for the followup and congrats on the new trimmer!
I have a Echo 3020 and been running Stihl 94rs for years. I actually like the Echo better as its lighter. Great video.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
INCREDIBLE! Fantastic video Bradley and very well done. You thoroughly covered both and you were very informative. Keep up the good work.
Thank you folks very much, I appreciate it! :)
You are very welcome :)
I just bought a Stihl FS91R a couple of weeks back and I'm loving the extra torque that comes with the 4-mix engine. It eats through stuff that used to take me an age even with my FS94. All my guys love it now lol I did find that with the Stihl speed feed head and guard on though I could hardly get any line out so with it off it runs 10x better because I can actually run a normal length of line
Love the purr of those 4 mix engines, just not a fan of the valve adjustment maintenance to have it running in top shape!
@@CopperCreekCuts I would agree with that but you shouldn't need to do it that often. My dealer said once a year maybe but it really isn't that big of a deal. I've had my BR700 for a large portion of this year now and haven't had a single issue with it. If your running a busy lawn service week round you might need your valves adjusted once every 100 hours and its something your dealer should be able to do in no time at all just when you take it in for its regular service.
I highly recommend Echo! Dad bought a couple of SRMs back in the early 90s. Still use them to this day, they haven't blown up yet. I bet they have somewhere over 1000 hours on each one, by basic estimation.
Very nice, thanks for the feedback!
Copper Creek i like your style man. Like you im a solo lawn guy in Texas. You are always clean and professional. I'm striving for that in my business. Keep up the hard work and great videos. I'm shocking myself with all the tips and tricks im picking up.
I think you did a great job keeping it unbiased. I would have liked to seen a comparison using blades though. Great work Brad!
Thank you Donald! Good to see you again. Unfortunately, the STIHL needed some extra safety equipment to attach a blade, and I don't feel like obtaining them. I WILL be doing a video in that same weed patch with a blade on the ECHO, however! :)
Great video brad I've seen a lot of them now. You make good points about the Echo advantages and cheaper price point as well. People seem to be happy enough with Echo build quality. I recently bought a Stihl kombi 131 and I like it but it costs over 100 bucks more than the srm3020 (attachment version). I also recently got an echo 8010 blower and I love it. Lately.. I started getting more serious and taking my landscaping from a weekend thing to full time. I still have all my electric stuff and I like it but.. .when I'm string trimming the weeds down in a big lot on a hot day I need my gas string trimmer. My Milwaukee 18 volt string trimmer overheats every time under heavy use on a hot day. It takes maybe 15-20 minutes for that thing to overheat on a 90 degree+ day , just like you showed with the Ego backpack battery unit overheating while use on a hot day in your other video. I have an Ego backpack blower and I use it all the time for small jobs but its obviously very weak compared to the echo 8010 gas blower and I'm glad I have the 8010 ready to go for next fall. Please excuse my rant and thanks for the videos man!
Very good feedback! Thank you!
The stihl autocut 25-2 head holds 25-30 feet of string vs the 12-15 feet of string that the speedfeed 400 holds. I have a echo srm280t and a stihl km130r and I always see myself going to my stihl over my echo.
Thanks for commenting! Your numbers are just a bit off. The 400 holds 20 feet of .095 and the 450 holds 25 feet of .095.
You're not a moron, another well explain broken down video, for those of us that don't know, or have any knowledge..! Good to know, and compare the differences..! 🤗👍
Haha, thank you very much for your kind words.
Echo will always be my first choice. I tried a stihl farm boss I sold it and bought a timber wolf verry happy. All of my equipment is echo I would highly recommend this product
The 3020 has been a great tool for me as well, thanks for the feedback!
Just bought echo, went to get another 280 but not made anymore. Upgraded to 3020 and I’m very impressed with its power. Seems to be well balanced when using. Hoping to cut a little time off my trimming with the extra power and wider cutting swath.
I think you will like it. I have been nothing but pleased with my 3020!
Heck yeah I love my 3020t guard off running.105 black diamond. No matter how thick the grass or weeds are it just clears it to the dirt. Love it👍
Echo has some of the best equipment one can buy and their products last!
Thank you for the feedback! Very glad they work out well for you!
Yeah man I know what you’re talking about I have had the same echo Weedeater for a long time and I got it used and it still runs brand new i’ve never had to clean the carburetor
I'm about to get ready to switch my equipment to echo and I like to hear if you reccomend echo products
I haven't had any issues with them yet. Hot restarts are a pain due to my enclosed trailer, but all equipment does that. Make sure you have a dealer that can support you close by!
Do it.. Echo is no joke.. They are ever bit as good as Stihl and i keep finding more and more evidence they might've surpassed them..
Echo makes it easy to maintain and find parts for their equipment.
Echo is japanese. Japanese make quality products.
@@Jv19979 I had a trimmer called Tanaka and I thought it was a great piece I ever owned but not alot of shops don't sell them
I know you have a bias towards echo because of the weight, but props to you for still making it a fair review!
Thanks much for your unbiased video. I found it helpful, the point, which is not common on this platform.
I appreciate that comment a lot, thank you!
Nice review, never seen anyone use a brush cutter on their left side before, always used Stihl streamers and used those bump heads all of 8 years, going over to echo as Stihl is going down hill.
Thanks for the feedback! I think it is because I am left handed, I use the strimmers on my left side as well.
I'm becoming more of an Echo fan with each purchase I make👍
Glad it is working for you! Thanks for watching!
Great review. My new Echo will arrive on Wed. Thank you for your review.
You are very welcome! I hope you enjoy it.
Hello from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 I have echo 3020 beautiful trimmer
Hi from Florida! Thanks for watching! :)
Yo también soy de la isla y creo que stilth es mejor equipo, aunque lo que yo tengo es redmax y husqvarna pero ya eh tenido echo y no es tan resistente ó duradero como un redmax o un husqvarna.
Have used echo for 30 + years always great.
Great feedback, thank you for sharing!
My dad sold John Deere equipment and a lot of his loggers loved the John Deere/Echo saw. I used a 200g and 250g trimmers from time I was 6 until I was 30.
You need to adjust valves on the stihl. I recommend adjusting them when brand new just so you don't have to think about it. I prefer adjusting the valves tightly.
I also heard they recommend it after every 100 hours as well. Probably one of those things that is simple once you do it, but just not a skill I feel like sinking any time into it! :( Thanks for the info though, I appreciate it!
I used to have an FS90R and when I adjusted the valves with the proper feeler gauge it would start hard and have poor throttle response. For some reason if I adjusted them at .008" it would always start first pull and have wicked throttle response. It would also seemingly never stay in carb adjustment for very long. That was a low hour residential machine, glad I sold that POS. That pretty much sums up my experience with every Stihl product I've ever owned. Hard starting, and constant carb adjustments...
The dealer that I deal with has both Echo and Stihl. I have an Echo trimmer and a stihl blower/vac. Both are great.
Good companies and good products, the both of them! :)
May as well use stihls top of the line instead of midgrade if your going to go against echos top of the line? Real test would he FS130 or FS 240 vs 3020
Great comparison, watching i felt the echo was just ahead of stihl.
But a permanent on switch on the echo would be better.
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Hi friend! Yes, agreed. Have to be at least half a dozen times I've made a fool out of myself with the ECHO switch in the off position.
Hi bred,Could you do a over view/look at the echo pas multi tool, would be very interesting as echo here in UK is not as widely used.
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Both are good. They definetly have a lot more power than my Echo SRM 225. I think I'd have to go with Echo. Both are in my area, so equal dealer support.
Haha, yes, both of these are the REALLY big brothers of the 225 :)
Not all dealers are great at after sales service though...
You literally have to buy an 111 or a 131 to run real blades for brush cutting..I really wish echo had more dealers around the Ohio valley because I’d have went with the echo all day. I own a lot of stihl equipment and have no real issues other than how they get you on the little things like mentioned above. My old man has ran an echo for ten years and the thing is a monster, no issues AT ALL. one of the old grey ones.
Yeah, I ended up not even trying the blade on the 111, not because I didn't think it would handle it, just because I knew I preferred the ECHO. Thank you for watching and commenting!
I have an echo srm 266T and a srm 230 trimmer.Also a CS 450p and a cs352 chain saw.....great machines period.
Very nice! Thanks for the feedback!
That echo SRM 3020 is a Beast of a Trimmer 👍
thanks for the great video, this helps me a lot for the first-time owner
Good review 👍 the echo switch would be my complaint as well. Id like to give the echo a shot.
Thanks for watching! Let me know if you ever get a hold of one! :)
I have the same setup on my Echo SRM266T trimmer. I have NEVER FORGOTTEN to turn the switch on prior to starting. Its just something that is programmed in my brain. Ignition, Fuel, Run. Period.
Stihl has 26-2 auto cut that winds it self. I have one and I like it
Very nice, thank you for recommending it!
I have used both Echo and Stihl equipment. The review was nicely done; however, wouldn't the correct comparison be the FS 131 and the SRM 3020? The FS 111 competes with the SRM 2620 in price and specs. I am very glad you did compare the big two brands used in my area.
Thanks for the feedback, and great question! I guess it is all open to interpretation on if you are going by price or engine size. The FS131 has a 36.3CC engine and clocks in at $430, where the FS111 is 31.4 cc at $400 and the 3020U is 30.5 cc $450.00.
In my area the FS 131 can be had for around $400.00 and I was looking at the power outputs as well as street prices in my area. The engine size is a good point, but in my mind the fuel economy of the 4-mix's levels that for me. I look at Dealer support, Power, and price. In that order. I enjoy your videos a lot. I would also be interested in seeing some red max comparisons too.
The FS 111R is rated by Stihl @1.4HP, the 131 @1.9. and I believe the SRM 2620 is rated @1.35HP and the SRM 3020 @1.8HP. I have no idea what the 3020's street price would be because they aren't available in my area yet. I can tell you I bought an FS 111R for $359.00 in May or June and a SRM 280s for approximately the same money when I purchased a ZT mower last year
@@nsatoday See? It is tricky! Do you go by HP? If so the 131 is the mark to compare to. Engine class? Then you have to back down to the 111.
Also, as a disclaimer, the "u" handle brushcutters will always be an extra $30-$50 bucks than the regular handle trimmers in the line up, and I am basing my numbers off them.
Yes, power and price. I can get Stihl and Echo below MSRP. I've found them to be comparable on price. when I priced the FS 111R and the 2620 they were about a 30 dollar spread if I remember correctly. thats close enough to me that the cost difference was negligible.
Thanks for the info, both brands has their pros and cons but the echo seems to have the edge.
Thank YOU for watching and commenting, I appreciate it! :)
"Biased" you mean unbiased and you hated on stihl the whole time and gave so many points to echo.
You are right, I meant unbiased! And yes, there were features I didn't like about the STIHL, but being unbiased doesn't mean you don't say anything bad about anything. I also don't think I could be said to be 'hating' on them. I was very complimentary towards their performance, but the facts that I stated about my local support, and pricing, and several other things for why I chose ECHO weren't opinions.
@@CopperCreekCuts my husband has echo chainsaws that he loves and stihl everything else and is wanting an echo blower or a stihl blower. Which should he buy? What I meant in the previous comment is that it's hard to throw the word biased or unbiased in a video when you're comparing two different companies one in which you represent and not persuade everyone to lean toward echo(which is a fantastic company)
I will say the Echo,I love the 5 year warranty on them.
Super durable choice for homeowners! (Commercial guys two, but I mean in reference to your 5 year warranty.)
Marathon Watching 9/5/21 This is a personal pick item to use. 😍😍
Hey c opper creek cuts. i have upgraded my stihl to a speed feed head and it woeks great. Stihl are making a better speed feed head.
I saw they had a new one out but saw mixed reviews on it. Hopefully it gets better over time! :)
I never wrap the strings twice on my sthils. Just wrap once, fix the strings still, cut, install and pull the starter and start trimming!
Good feedback, thanks for sharing! :)
You can actual string one long string, put one side of the string in each opposite slot of the feeder wrap it up tight, put it back on then bumping the head to release more string and the cutter built into the guard will cut that string loop hanging out into 2 pieces
Both are great, but Sthil is#1 period, nothing beats Sthil.
Glad to hear they are your favorite!
Except echo lol
I picked Echo products over Stihl due to them being as good but cheaper. For a Chainsaw Id prefer a Stihl.
I'll take your word for it on the chainsaw, I have zero experience with those things! A bit too scared to start at this point. I don't take on anything I can't handle with my pole saw (that's right, keep those cutting teeth 10 feet away from me!) :)
Keep your eyes peeled for dealer days on both brands. You can save significant money. Echo does their fleet sale day and stihl has dealer days. Check with your local dealers for when it is. I got my Stihl equipment for around 20 dollars more than a comparable Echo. I’ve found the 4-Mix to be more reliable in my experience. I took the time to learn how to adjust valves. Only had to adjust an older pole pruner and it was 4 years of daily use on it before it needed the adjustment. Your mileage may vary
My Favorite saw right now is the MS 461. Can’t wait for the 462 R C-M to make it stateside. Use my 201T or a MS 261 for limbing ground work
The husky 372 is a really nice saw too...
Echo 620p is where it's at in the chainsaw dept. Love that saw.
I have a 111r (loop) Stihl. My first modification, was the 450 Speedfeed. I wouldn’t even consider leaving the autocut, on a Stihl. 🙂
XD Gotta love a speed feed head!
Bump feeding isn't that hard with the U handles. Set your harness back a little closer to the engine and pull the handles back to get comfortable. Then the balance is more biased towards the cutter head and you don't have to wave it about like you're trying to snap it in half to make it feed! It's much easier to pull the handles to lift it and then let it drop than it is to try to push it downwards against the weight of the engine. It should feed just with it's own weight from around 12" off the ground.
Excellent tip! I KNEW it couldn't have been that hard by design and that I was doing something wrong! XD Thank you for watching and commenting!
I have an Echo SRM 4600 a 46cc beast with aluminum body not plastic rubbish. A little heavy but i love it . Easy to start and just runs like a dream. Have run 4 tanks of fuel through it one session running it at full throttle 98% of the time and it didn't miss a beat! Bought it used and have had it for 5 years and only replaced a starter rope and spark plug.
That sounds nice! I am guessing you aren't in the US, I don't think we have aluminum body trimmers over here. Thanks for watching and commenting!
like the video but in the end in i look at power to weight ratio. stihl here in canada gives you the option at no cost for a quick spool head or manual spool. when you mention about harness stihl gives you a cheap harness which ill admit its not the greatest but they also sell double harness which fits like a backpack arround your body and also a easy lift harness which i have for hedge trimming and for prunning, no supporting machine by arms, just directing
I like the sound of that harness, I will have to check it out!
@@felixcordero7610 Je ne comprends pas calisse
love watching your videos i always have a good laugh 🤣🤣🤣
Glad to be of some entertainment, thanks for watching!
I just bought an SRM-3020U. So far it is working OK but the handlebar is not adjustable enough for a short person to reach the handles without it bumping into your legs.
Yeah, I can't remember if you can move them up or down.
Bill Rayland, yes they are but try moving the harness clip first, you just have to move them forward or back if you want the bars themselves adjusted. If you want the whole thing, set it flat on the ground keep the bars straight and loosen the screws on the bottom and move up or back a little bit. You may have to adjust all of them.
@@CopperCreekCuts you can but he may have to adjust the harness and the bars along with the mount all together.
Considering the echo has a larger swarth than the stihl, the echo did well. parents had a lawn mowing business( wouldn't call it a lawn care business as they just cut grass and did property clean ups) and they ran an echo with the multi tool bar on it, so it had the use of the hedge trimming and cord attachments( more were available but those two is what they had) that machine paid for itself many times over
Thank you for watching and commenting! Did they make you work for them? I am asking because I plan on putting my little ones to work when they get old enough so I need feedback! ;)
I helped them on weekends and after school, but had my own clients when I was 10-14(this is a good 11 years ago) that I went and mowed the lawns for, luckily 4 of them lived in the same street and I just walked the mower round, I used to enjoy it. cutting the lawn in different directions to give it a different look each time, it's tempting to try start up my own lawn business.... it's amazing what you can achieve with just a cheap mower and weed eater, but recently have turned to trying to get the best out of my lawn here at home... since noticing the lack of lawn in-between the weeds! haha
Definitely a good skill set to have
@@infamousRED91 Very cool background, I thank you for sharing! Key takeaway: get my own kids startes early! ;)
I will be going echo true good old 2 stroke easy to work on no special tools needed no need to adjust valves every 100 hours
Your Stihl dealer gave you the wrong harness, the bike handle Stihls come with the double shoulder harness.
Unless the ACE store did some funny stuff, the shoulder strap is what comes with the 111. The salesman said stepping up to the 131 got the better harness, but I wanted the 111 because the engine displacement matches closer to the 3020. Anyway, they didn't have any 111s in stock, so they had to order some. They gave me the box and everything in it, and the shoulder strap is all I got!
Gotcha we only sell the bike handles in the FS131 and bigger, I'm just use to bikes all coming with the entry level double shoulder strap.
That explains it! I think the 91 comes in bike handles as well, so that is probably another that gets the shoulder strap only.
In my opinion, I prefer the Stihl autocut, higher quality, and the bump caps last forever, even on concrete
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!
I use my Stihl FS120 weekly and it still has the original 19 year old air filter.. Nothing was ever touched on that thing. good luck echo
That is a great service record, thanks for sharing!
So is it normal when weed eating your lower back hurts and your shoulder starts to hurt as well? If so I wonder if the Echo fixes that problem
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I usually end up with a knot between my shoulders the next day if I don't stretch it out.
I guess it is different for everyone depending on their body and height and everything, but my low back will get real tight because I find myself leaning over a bit when string trimming and edging. The harness and bicycle handles on both the Stihl and ECHO should help the issue, but the ECHO seems better for longer periods of time!
cut and clean lawn care demoed a handle attachment that helps with that supposedly
Rookie with that Stihl Head
Both of the string heads were giving me fits. My fault for using too thin line for the work I was doing. Thanks for watching and commenting! :)
The Stihl 4mix run great for the first one or two years after that they start running like crap after the second valve adjustments they never run right again I have echos 266T 280T that are over 6 years old and never have major issues like Stihl another problem we have with Stihl are the timing gears go bad and also melt cuz they are plastic and it cost over $100 to replace and fix echos all you have to replace every two to three years is there carbs which it's only $40 bucks to replace if you do it yourself and on echos you don't have to spend a ton of money buying fully synthetic oil like 4mix requires just regular echo oil or Stihl orange bottle oil which is a lot cheaper echo is the way to go me and my pops have been using echos for more then 30 years.
Excellent feedback, thanks for sharing! And yes, the thing about adjusting valves really scared me off!
Yeah 4 mix/ 4 stroke hybrid are high maintenance compared to 2 stroke trimmer plus 4 mix spin on bumper with auto cut 25-2 slower too you have to keep hitting full throttle I can explain it more if you wanna me too. I got rid of my fs110r and got KM131r. I hope km131r will last me more than 3 years. Plus got speedfeed 450 to help km131r spin faster so I don’t have to hit full throttle no more just 1/4 to half throttle that it. 4 stroke/ 4 mix/4 stroke hybrid engine itself have more movement parts which mean more potential to failure compared to 2 stroke counterpart. Only reason I got it cause of fuel economy/efficiency... 4 stroke use wide throttle and bottom end torque instead of narrower throttle and use midrange to high end torque like 2 cycle. That why 2 stroke spin head bumper faster. BTW I am die hard 2 stroke fan.
Yeah, I got my grandfathers old FS90R which is about 12 years old now and I have a heck of a time keeping it running right. For some reason if I set the valves with the Stihl feeler gauge at .004" the acceleration sucks and it has no mid range power it just bogs out. If I double the valve clearance it accelerates really well and runs a lot better and starts easier. It's just a residential use machine that probably doesn't even have 50 hours on it and its been through 2 carbs, 2 ignition modules, several spark plugs, fuel lines and all the other common stuff. Not too impressed with the reliability of this thing, although it does run nice when running right. I'm tempted to sell the damn thing and buy a Echo SRM 266 or 2620 to replace it. Never had any issues out of my Echos other than old fuel lines and regular tune ups. My SH85 blower also gives nothing but troubles. Can't ever keep that thing running right and its next to new mechanically. I bought a PB-580T because of that thing. I regret selling my PB250 and SRM230, should have sold this Stihl shit and kept my tried and true machines. Oh well, I know better now.
But now I don’t have 4 mix no more lol, tired of maintenance so I only have 2 stroke trimmers now
I live in Kilgore Texas and Longview has Longview lawn and garden they are Stihl and Echo dealer and they do a little different layaway then you would normally think they don't have the warehouse to store product so their layaway very different Dell store your money I like a piggy bank and when you get say that $399 for either one then it's a really good deal
Sounds good to me! Thanks for the comment! :)
I work at Kilgore College as a grounds keeper, all the equipment we use are STIHL. They are running from 7AM to 3PM and very rarely have a problem with anything. But if something does happen we just drive 10 minutes to Walden Power Equipment and get it fixed either the same day or the next day. The equipment is over 6 years old at this point, some even older.
ECHO is a high up brand, I've used them before, I have nothing against the brand, but in my opinion STIHL is a little better.
I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for sharing!
I enjoy my Sthil Fs 131 ! There are more Sthil dealers in my area and neighboring towns ! But there are two echo shops too , but one has bad service reviews and the other one is not any better .
It only takes about 10 minutes or less to adjust the valves. The same thing would have to be done to OHV mowers eventually. I like both brands but would rather listen to the 4 stroke than a 2.
The 4 mix does have a lovely sound to it! Like a race car at the starting line! :)
The sthill is a solid dhaft big plus the echo is a wire cable inside the shaft correct?
Echo is better. My guys ALWAYS go after my echo trimmer first. They jump out quick.😂 Easier string load, lighter weight and easier start. I'm telling you, I use both...a lot. Echo is better. Stihl is good tho...very good!
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!
great review, thanks Brad
You are very welcome! Thank you as always for watching and commenting!
I like Sthil, Echo Husqvarna and Shindawa.+Hitachi
All good brands!
Nice to know. Thanks for that!!
Haha, make sure and let me know if that info ever comes in handy! ;)
To me it doesnt matter but honestly id probably take the Stihl over the Echo or if somehow I had a really profitable year I wouldn't mind buying both just to see which one I personally like more now I have a Stihl FS70 and an Echo SRM266 ive had the echo for going on two weeks but I usually go with the Echo maybe just because its ne or maybe because deep down I truly like it more I don't really know!
Thanks for the feedback and for watching, I appreciate it! :)
Hello Brad, have you done a compare of a Stihl Kombi to Echos version? If not would you be able to? 🤔
I'm a Stihl owner and concur that after 2 years Stihl does tend to act kinda wonky so now I'm considering echo but would feel better if I could see some compared and reviews.
Hi there! Thanks for asking! I haven't only because of the cost involved (buying a whole new base and attachments would be very costly). I hope to in the future, maybe I can talk STIHL into loaning me one! As far as your unit, is it possible the valves need to be adjusted? If it is one of STIHL's '4 mix' engines, they recommend valve adjustment every XXX hours, I think 100?
@@CopperCreekCuts Thank you for your response and actually I have the 2 cycle STIHL weed eater and edger. I have made throttle adjustments, replaced filters, and spark plugs but still experience throttle issues as if the motor is bogging down and dies after seconds of idling. I'm losing faith in STIHL because of this so I'm leaning towards MAYBE going ECHO. 🤔
Dang, I need one of these for my field.
A field would be the perfect place for either of these bad boys!
The 20” swath would be a big bonus in a field. If you go Stihl get the FS 131. It’s the power equivalent.
You need a tool to take out the spark plug anyways and the stihls tool includes both the air filter is a different story
Good point!
I love Stihl but I'm leaning toward Echo because Stihl is sometimes hard to start.
When? If you are talking about when it gets real hot in between yards, my ECHO PAS 2620 does the same thing and it is difficult to start!
Copper Creek Cuts try pumping the fuel bulb (presuming the carburetor is properly adjusted). Petrol boil point is at very low temperature which in turn causes vapor locks when it's hot (also when carburetor is hot itself). By pumping the fuel through carburetor you will cool it down few degrees.
Have you checked your valve clearance? It’s easy to do and the most common reason why these new 4 mix engines become difficult to start.
You said “The Echo did just as well as the Stihl on power.”
I should hope so considering that the Stihl is significantly less powerful.
I wouldn't say that is accurate at all.
Nice video man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That sthil is looking 👍
It is a gorgeous machine, for sure! :) Thanks for watching.
Copper Creek Cuts I just did a review of the accelerator bagger and the echo PAS 280 with the bed redifiner
Great review!!
Just cut the length of line put bothe ends of line in the holed then wind both sides at once then just cut it and it makes it a lot easier
I got a echo 2620 after running redmax for years and I have been really impressed with it. I’m sure this 3020 might be in the future at some point, for those really overgrown jobs.
I love my 2620 and 3020, both really great machines.
Copper Creek Cuts Lawn Care only thing I don’t like is the vibration. Might try to come up with a solution for that.
Copper Creek Cuts Lawn Care also, my uncle went and got the 3020 a couple days ago. I’ll be able to borrow it, if I need it 😜
I mean why are you comparing a FS 111 to a 3020 instead of comparing it too a FS 240?
The stihl fs111 is heavy as well i run both a fs90r and a fs111rx at work and prefer the fs90r over the 111rx becausw the 111rx gets heavy when u use it fir a long time
Thanks for the feedback! And yes, if I didn't have straps/harnesses with these things the weight would definitely get to me.
The Echo- SRM 3020 is slightly heavier than the Stihl FS 111.
I take back what i have said bout these type of trimmers be great in heavy brush situation
Haha, learn something new every day! :)
I really and I mean REAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY prefer the stihl head over the echo one because it will last years without modification, and it holds more line, that's one of the only biases I found, that is more of a matter of opinion
does the echo also have a 1.8meter shaft as apposed to 1.5?
No, it is 59 inches which looks to be right at 1.5M.
The thing about the stihl is that it's more covered up so you can't accidentally hit the spark plug Cap and get burned
I guess that's one advantage.
Thank you, good video !
I hate the vibration from the stihl trimmers
I don't think I had much vibration in mine.
@@CopperCreekCuts echo trimmers are 100% smoother
That is the speedfeed 450 head for the echo head
Keeping me honest! I appreciate it! :)
Stihl 4 mix engines are easier to pull start but you have to adjust the valves once a year most people use cheap oil so there is a big wear factor if you use Stihl ultra oil once a year is sufficient 👍👍
I have a 4 mix and put many hundreds of hours on it over an 11 year period. Haven't had to adjust the valves ever.
@@ChrisRJ 👍
That is not the harness that you use with the sthil. That strap comes with the r
Hey man I'm In the market for a trimmer debating on the echo 3020 or the d's 131 any suggestions
The 3020 is HEAVY DUTY! I wouldn't recommend it for regular maintenance, the 2620 would be a better choice. If you are looking for a real thick brush cutter, the 3020 fits the bill. I am not sure what the D 131 is, though.
@@CopperCreekCuts I ment stihl 131
Let’s keep real and simple bud, if you want power you gotta go with Stihl. Even over the “T” models.
i’ve tried every commercial Stihl trimmer that’s available at my local dealer (91R, 94R, 111R, 131R, 240R) and none of them really compare power wise to either my Echo 3020T, 2620T or the “legendary” Shindaiwa T270. their build quality and ergonomics are definitely superior, but the 4MIX engines vibrate like hell, your throttle is either 5% or 100% with no in-between, and seem to be quite a bit heavier too. I tried so hard to like them but they simply don’t hold a candle to Echo/Shindaiwa equipment.
what’s your personal experience?
@@kyyuhl wow! I’ve never heard anyone say that the 240R is weaker than the 3020T.
That’s a first.
@@SleepyJoe408 i will correct my statement there, the 240R the only one listed which is more powerful than the 3020T in usage and on paper too, however, it still suffers from the other issues mentioned above.
Though, at 14.6 lbs, it seems more suited for brush clearing large areas with a blade and bicycle handle rather than servicing already maintained properties.
Husqvarna also makes the 535LST at 2.15hp (vs. 2.3hp on the 240R) and is a whole 2 1/2 lbs lighter for barely any noticeable performance change.
To each their own though.
I have all echo, and one stihl unit (hs 45 hedge trimmer) - echo are easier to service, and I got the stihl used, so I would not say no, but I would have bought echo
yes
Do you use fs450?
I thought that the echo came with a 450 head.
Echo Trimmers are too heavy for the power they put out, the Husky 535LS weighs 12.5 pounds and will put to shame any of the echo trimmers. The FS 94R and Husky 525LST will perform in the same ballpark as the 2620 or T262 and weigh 2 pounds less. If you only trim a few minutes at a time...the Shindaiwa T282 and T344 are great for doing anything needed...the FS240R is also a great beast of a trimmer, but it weighs in around 15 lbs.
Awesome feedback! Thanks for sharing. The standard 3020 is 12.1 pounds, though, and the 2620 is 11.1 so it is a bit less than the 535ls.
Husky is a trash 🗑
Echo is 1.8 HP and 30cc. The Stihl 131 is 35cc and 1.9HP. The Stihl 111 is only 1.4 HP.
Really the 131 is the 3020 competitor.
The comparison was done on engine displacement, as mentioned in the video, not horsepower. The ECHO has a smaller engine but manages more horsepower than the larger displacement 111. Why in the world would I say what is more fair is to bump up ~15% on STIHL's displacement to the 131 so the HP are equal? :D
Their both automotive style pleated air filters
I have a old 22 yr old echo 20cc, great for all the smaller more delicate cutting around the garden beds. good quality brand, if they just marketed as well as stihl they would dominate the market.