A very fair insight into the person of Lawrence Stroll! He should just let the F1 people do their thing and learn from them. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and that‘s not because everyone can have a shot and be successful easily…
@@gpcentral because Lance / Lawrence seem entitled, spoilt, whiney and unprofessional? Whenever I hear Stroll's name in races, I usually think 'who's he caused a shunt with now...?'. Might does not always make right... ...I feel really sorry for Vettel tbh; he's been misold a dream and can't get racing with the likes of similar competitor Alonso (who ironically drives for Alpine ofc!)
Great video about Lawrence Stoll and Aston Martin! He's definitely made alot of money in the fashion industry, but just has no idea how to run an F1 Team!
What’s sad is that Lawrence stroll has not learned business 101. If you want to succeed in business but don’t have the knowledge, you hire the best at each position and get out of their way! Lance stroll is really nothing more than a pay driver. He can never beat his team mates regardless what team he drives for!
@@gpcentral I don't think Lance is doing that terribly though. I have always believed people undervalued Hulkenberg and Vettel has won multiple world championships. He aint no nro 1 driver, but you don't really want two number 1 drivers in your team. That is what worked at mercedes in the past as Bottas was almost always naturally slightly slower than Hamilton. It will be interesting what happens when mercedes is on the top again.
@@oappi4686 I agree that Lance isn't terrible, but I would make the argument that he isn't as good as he thinks he is. If you pay attention to him during free practice's, qualifying and races, it's obvious that there's a lot of frustration in Lance. Let me explain: - In my opinion it looks like he deems free practice sessions beneath him, as he can't be bothered to concentrate and therefore often loses the car and even crashes. - In qualifying he never manages to get that "perfect" lap in and always finds an excuse for why he couldn't deliver. (wind, rain, tyres, track, car, other drivers, strategy) - Even when it's obvious he made a mistake, he always refuses to accept the blame and looks for excuses. (see above) Lance Stroll had quite a career before F1 and he did pretty well in other categories. Then he made the step to F1 and it all started to unravel. First he blamed the poor performing Williams for everything, but ignored that his team mate often outperformed him with that same Williams. Then daddy bought a better team and Lance didn't show much improvement. Sure, there were glimpses of what he could do when everything came his way, but more often he was again outperformed by his team mate and/or made mistakes. In my opinion Lance Stroll is a talented driver, he's just not F1 material. It would be much better for him to leave F1 and find a racing category that suits him better so he can start to be competitive again and find the joy in racing again, because he surely seems to lack enjoying racing right now.
Stroll's autocratic leadership style is to blame for the team's relatively poor performance. The team was punching well above its weight prior to Stroll's involvement. Although Stroll invested in the team and recruited a number of high-profile staff, it failed to materialise any performance. The Aston Martin board must consider replacing him with a credible team principal if were to achieve consistent results that the Aston Martin brand deserves.
@@martingonzalez2850 Stroll led a consortium to invest £182m for approx 17% stake in Aston Martin, not the sole owner. Look at Ron Dennis, despite owning 25% of McLaren, he was sacked by the board and if I remember correctly he eventually sold all his share. So before insulting people know ur facts, only shows who is numpty!
Not quite accurate regarding the brake ducts. It's a bit complex, but I'll try a brief summary: RP had actually purchased the 2019 spec brake duct CAD models from Mercedes prior to the rule change making them listed parts in 2020. They used those models to design and build front brake ducts that were used on the both 2019 and 2020 cars, but they didn't run anything in 2019 based off the rear models from Mercedes, so the front ducts were legal, but not the rear. Hope this helps explain!
Stroll is proof that money cannot replace brains. People should either out stay in the business they do not understand, or listen to the people who know what they are talking about instead of letting them go.
Stroll Snr is clearly not understanding the basics of a racing team. When he was around the Williams paddock you could see he didn't get why the team was struggling, and no-one looked happy to have him there. Fast forward to Aston Martin and it's the same story, he doesn't seem to understand you have to take a step back and let the engineers and experienced people do their thing, and again, no-one seems happy for him to be there and feel like they're in a position where they cant speak out on the true problems of the team for fear of their jobs. If the team and their personnel are to survive and prosper again, he needs to either sell it on to someone better or cut his management and ego out the picture entirely and just trust the people who know what they're doing
I think it's clear why Sebastian Vettel is now retiring. It's sad to think a four-time champion is probably retiring early because of a poorly run team. Thank you for this video I learned a lot. I just got into Formula 1 about 5 years ago and I'm trying to learn as much as possible because it's a very interesting sport.
@@gpcentral I do not understand Alonzo going to Aston Martin. They are obviously on their way down and Alpine is obviously been running really well and he has had some great races this season. I'm confused why he's leaving and going to Aston Martin. I don't know anything about contracts or anything like that maybe alonso's contract is up but I think AM would be the last place I would want to go. Formula 1 is such an interesting sport I am learning there is quite a bit of politics in Formula 1 which is kind of interesting to me. I'm in America I'm used to watching NASCAR and Indy car and you don't have the team orders like you have in Formula 1. The amount of strategy and thinking that goes into winning a Formula 1 race is fun to watch and learn about. And on top of that the cars are unbelievable with the amount of money and technology that goes into the design of these cars is absolutely amazing. Thanks for the videos keep them coming I'm learning a lot. Especially about this Lawrence Stroll Fiasco at Aston Martin. I knew there was something going on there but I didn't have all the pieces of information. I was fairly new into Formula 1 when that happened so I didn't know all of the history prior to it. Your video definitely helped me out with understanding the situation a lot more
Yes that's why Alonso insta signed with them lol. Aston has a 5 year plan and they're in year 2. If they're trash in 2025 stroll is a failure. Rn they're rebuilding
@@cherb23 no I take my comments back. They have definitely made some serious improvements this season. I am rooting for Alonzo I love seeing the old guys win. And it's going to be fantastic seeing someone up front other than the big three teams fighting for wins and podiums
Interesting to watch this video and read these comments given that AM appears to have produced the 2nd fastest car of 2023 and was on the podium on merit at the first race with a Lance Stroll dragging his broken wrists to 6th. It would appear that everyone being a little premature in writing AM off! I also get annoyed when videos like this get important detail so wrong. AM were not originally Force India........originally the team was Jordan, then Midland, then Spyker and then Force India
Lawrence Stroll will be successful with Aston Martin. He is putting everything together with new facilities and brain power. He has been hiring good people, and it takes time to gel. Next year is an important year for the team. They have to show progress, and I am sure they can do it.
@@gpcentral No. the mid-pack runners are all over the place this season, with car performance varying massively from track to track. I think the last few tracks have just suited their car.
Thanks for the insight. Good to see that money is not a replacement for natural talent. Lawrence could learn a lot by listening to this video, but his ego would not let him listen and he would just be shouting at the TV while watching.
@@gpcentral He should take a step back and not interfere with decisions. If he really wanted to be successful would have been better to learn his craft by buying a team in a lower formula and progressing. Vijay Mallya made it look easy, must have gave Lawrence too much confidence.
@@gpcentral Lawrence should hire Toto wolf from Mercedes and bring Hamilton with. Money talk but Lawrence thinks he. Is the smartest man in the room. They will never win a championship with him at the helm. Never
Gee .. what could be the problem ? It's called EGO ! Papa Stroll knows EVERYTHING ! Certainly more than any of his employees. So there is no way King Stroll is going to allow his team to be directed by a salaried peon. Even if that "Peon" has been incredibly successful in F1 and is exactly what Low-Rent Stroll needs. This is going to be a true test of Papa Strolls character & business prowess. If he is humble enough to realize that he needs F1 people to do F1 things and to give them the freedom to do just that. Than I think he can be very successful. But if he continues down the "Nobody is going to tell me what to do !" road. It's gonna be a LONG & very Short one at the same time.
How to turn a silk purse into a sow’s ear, hand it over to Lawrence Stroll. It’s a crying shame what’s become of this team that was once on the cusp of greatness. The loss of genuine knowledge and expertise, a stench of nepotism, and a general sense that money is more important than engineering talent will be their downfall. It was only a matter of time before Vettel saw sense and left the sinking ship. Utterly tragic end.
F1 ain't Tommy Hilfiger... "My G0d, don’t they know? This stuff is simulacra of simulacra of simulacra. A diluted tincture of Ralph Lauren, who had himself diluted the glory days of Brooks Brothers, who themselves had stepped on the product of Jermyn Street and Savile Row, flavoring their ready-to-wear with liberal lashings of polo kit and regimental stripes. But Tommy surely is the null point, the black hole. There must be some Tommy Hilfiger event horizon, beyond which it is impossible to be more derivative, more removed from the source, more devoid of soul.” - William Gibson, _Pattern Recognition_
Such a shame for Force India as they were doing so good, now it sad that a great British name like Aston Martin is just in free fall. This seems to be a classic where the boss holds all the cards and it is their way only. How can a company as fantastic as Aston, just thinking they can copy other cars. Bosses like this, NEVER LEARN, it’s always someone else’s fault. A real crash and burn team it looks like and so sad for the Aston Martin name.
David……..there’s a certain familiarity (reading from your final paragraph) to what is currently going on in the Ferrari camp and especially certain team leaders. A great deal of self-denial with Binotto and Ferrari itself with fierce resistance by them against the understandable accusations of back to back to back poor quality of team orders and decision-making. And in this instance not only at Charles Leclerc’s expense but at the expense of any chance of the Championship title. It’s pitiful stuff.
Wrong brand for F1. No longer able to just copy. Aston Martin are trying to move to silly supercars when they were the King of elegant GTs. Why?, makes no sense to me
I mean, the Valkyrie is a total success and the new Valhalla will be as well. The DBX is selling like hot cake too. That's the new normal for sports car brands, I guess 😅
Great analysis! I've said it milion times, no progress when the knucklehead leading the team has no vision! Plus, he may want to get rid of his son and put another driver in that seat if the improvements from 2023 are bound to happen.
@@jammydodgerman He does not seem like a man who is used to waiting for what he wants so hopefully he and his child will be gone sooner rather than later.
It looked to me that it was micro management by Stroll and not allowing team management to do their jobs. Regarding Vettel, he is probably thinking, since you don't want to listen, I'll do what I can with what you have given me.
Lawrence Stroll,he may be rich but he has no class in my opinion and this shows in how he treats people,like servants!!! The team needs a leader a Christian Horner type,and it needs two good drivers with experience,side line Lance for a couple of years and get someone with technical experience then bring Lance back when the car and team are sorted.
His management style is completely unsuited for F1. Formula 1 like film making is a giant collaboration between highly skilled people who are put off by threats and bullying which is Stroll’s management style. Especially when things don’t go as planned. No one wants to work in a negative environment in such a pressurized sport. Also it is funny that Stroll who comes from the fashion industry where knocking off or copying the latest trend is rampant, thinks that is the way to success in F1. The guy is simply unsuitable to be bossing an F1 team.
If he was where? Lance may not be a remarkable driver, but at least he is not as bad as someone like Mazepin or Latifi. Its like saying Mick Schumacher would not have lasted this long in F1 if his father was not an F1 legend. Yeah one is the son of a legend and the other is the son of a billionaire. Neither drivers have been impressive compared to the potential of their respective cars and teammates, but you have decided to hate on one of them solely based on their parent. How nice of you.
Aston Martin was in financial trouble way before they had an F1 team. I feel like their performance on track is the final nail in the coffin for the company, unfortunately
Like him or them then that's your personal choice. But having daddy stroll buying out Aston Martin he single handedly prevented 100,s of staff getting sacked.... So in all fairness, he should be given some credit.....
@@SpaceHCowboy How F1 has changed is absolutely crazy. Look how Force India nearly under. And the Indian backer was wanted for mass frauds in his home country..... It was all a money sport, but since Bernie sold up it's sped up this process 10fold....
Let's try and be fair on this. Force India was never particularly special. AM is a mid field team with one excellent driver, one "safe pair of hands but nothing special" driver. Many things can go wrong - just ask Ferrari who have the one of the best car and driver combinations. The answer is for Stroll the father to delegate management to a proper F1 level race engineer who is able to drive the passion here. As for Stroll Jnr, he has done a pretty good job, but it is time to move on.
@@gpcentral Unlike many folks, I think LS is not a "bad driver" he is simply a mid field guy and there is no shame in that (I would be delighted to drive at his level;-)). For his own self respect, I think he needs to emerge from his father's shadow, just as it seems that probably AM needs to be less worried about what the boss thinks, and more focussed.
Throwing money at the problem wont solve it. They need to hire excellent engineers who want to work there. These top managers have nothing else to contribute besides money and demands in performance, its up to everyday engineers to make that car fast.
@@gpcentral Aston Martin previously hired ex-AMG man Tobias Moers in 2020 as CEO after Lawrence bought the company. And then in May this year he quit, apparently there's too much disagreement over the future direction of the company.
always thought Lawrence Stroll would be the downfall for the team that Perez saved, Strolls way of doing things is not F1 healthy and he should have been listening to both Perez and Otmar. Now, this is just Lawrence Stroll´s very expensive sandbox to play in for himself and his son. most important is that Perez have a seat in RedBull, he deserves it. he got mad skillz and mad experience. and mad skillz keeping tires alive!
What puzzles me is that Alonso has chosen to race for aston martin. My guess is that they have given him very good terms. The results is not a good argument at least.
@@gpcentral Listen, I am not throwing shade for the sake of it. Anyone who can drive one of these machines much less race one is in my books very highly skilled and rated. However, starting to show potential after five years is asking me to stretch not only my reality but the reality of f1 and five years is a stretch too far for me personally to have any respect for him as a racer who deserves a seat in f1. The emperor's son has no clothing. There's a pun in there someplace I'm sure.
@@kojack57 Outperforming Vettel on any week is not just potential. He's been miles ahead of him at times this weekend. But even before that has been quicker in races on several occasions. Oh and he's also what 12 years younger than Vettel? He hasn't reached his ceiling yet.
They didn't copy anything from merc toto made sure they got everything they needed and in return toto got millions of shares in aston martin. This didn't go unoticed so they were investigated
Obviously Vettel has gone now. Winning at F1 is obviously great for a car manufacture - failure has the opposite effect, but still at great expense. I made a decision long ago not to buy AM shares. I haven't been proved wrong!
All the criticism being levelled at Stroll, completely misses one crucial factor, and that is one "Martin Whitmarsh" This ex-BAE Systems Manager (sic) who was head-hunted by McLaren ?? And look where he took them !! almost to oblivion. Because It wasn't the man in the engine room... that put the ship on the beach.
While Whitmarsh was at Mclaren has Managing Director & Chief Executive Officer they won 3 drivers titles & 70+ races...he left in 2014 & Ron Dennis took charge again that's when Mclarens fortunes went off a cliff....Presided over the Honda engine debacle & the dearth of sponsorship....Mumtalakat & Mansour Ojjeh then removed him from the company in 2017....Whitmarsh a long way down the list when blame is apportioned
@@thelord7878 , whitmarsh became CEO in 2010. All the titles and wins were in the Ron Dennis era. When Dennis came back he was trying to clean up Whitmarsh’s mess. Yes, Whitmarsh was part of Mclaren as well during the golden years, but Dennis called the shots
@@dirkdiggler5763 if Whitmarsh was there during the golden years but Ron Dennis called the shots then Ron needs his share of the blame because he was there during the dark days of 15/16...that's why he was sacked....its fair to say that if Mansour Ojjeh wasn't incapacitated with his double lung transplant then Dennis wouldn't have had the clout or shareholding to sack Whitmarsh...it was that act that was the beginning of the end for Ron
@@thelord7878 I’m still intrigued as to what went in between Dennis and Ojjeh to destroy their relationship. It was around the same time Dennis split with his wife .. not sure what went on
The controversy and fine over the rear brake ducts was crap. Their is only so.much space at the back of the car, what with upper and lower suspension pieces, the driveline, the gearbox, etc. The suspensions are similar so any ducts that space are going to look similar, too. It's just the FIA following Ferrari's lead. Again.
This is SO incredibly, hilariously bad it's actually morbidly fascinating, like a car crash you can't look away from. WTAF did I just watch and listen to...
Just do a straight sub between Lance and Hulk for the remainder of the season and see how it unfolds. Lance isn't suited to lead or be part of a team that is second to last as he doesn't provide much to improve a team. He isn't crap but he isn't worthy of rebuilding a team. Every team he's been on has gone downhill.
Exactly! He hired so many people from other top teams. He should just let them do their jobs properly. He desperately does everything he can to keep his son's seat in F1 even if it is to the detriment of the team.
Wrong on just about everything, it was Vejay that secured the Mercedes engine deel which put use ahead of Lotus and Mcclaren, Schafnar was a bystander. Lawrence Strole has secured the teams future for a long long time with the Aramco deal.
Daddy Stroll needs to accept that F1 isn't about pretty fashionable car design. It's advanced engineering coupled with a team sport. (although not as sporting as it used to be) Stroll junior can drive a race car but not really good enough for F1. Daddy Stroll is ruining the name of the iconic Aston Martin. By all means finance the team but allow those who know the profession to do their jobs & the team will go from strength to strength.
This guy buys a team so his kid gets to race in F1. I doubt Lance Stroll would last very long otherwise. He is just not good enough in his all round abilities.
I think Lawrence can still be the owner if he wants. Just be like Flavio something who got banned. When he got into the sport, he also didn't know anything, but he put the money in the right places, hiring the right good people. But he was able to lead his team better because he trusted those he hired giving them the freedom to do what they were paid for. Lawrence is controlling his too much. All he has to do is give them fianancing, and leave them alone to do their jobs well.
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👉 Is It ALL OVER For Lance Stroll?
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We can only wish
No, but it might be "all over" for your credibility as any sort of "F1 expert" now we have seen the 2023 cars... 😂😂
you should delete this video
Watching this in 2023 & it seems Stroll finally got it right 😂
Watch this video after watching Fernando Alonso getting podium finish during the 2023 Bahrain GP with Aston Martin 😆😆😆
Well that aged well
A very fair insight into the person of Lawrence Stroll! He should just let the F1 people do their thing and learn from them.
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and that‘s not because everyone can have a shot and be successful easily…
Thank you! And yes very true about Lawrence Stroll!
How dare you tell that to a person that made his billions on… on… what did he made his billions on? Fashion! …oh! Ok, carry on!
@@Carmai7 🤣😅🤣
@@Carmai7
You might dump your smugness if you check on the history of Benetton
I just can't wait to not hear the name stroll during any F1 event.
haha why so?
@@gpcentral because Lance / Lawrence seem entitled, spoilt, whiney and unprofessional? Whenever I hear Stroll's name in races, I usually think 'who's he caused a shunt with now...?'.
Might does not always make right...
...I feel really sorry for Vettel tbh; he's been misold a dream and can't get racing with the likes of similar competitor Alonso (who ironically drives for Alpine ofc!)
Not to worry, when audi buy them they will both be gone within the hour
@@The_Buggiman 🤣 let’s see of Audi really wants to buy them
@@littleclum yah well he’s retiring now so yeah
Great video about Lawrence Stoll and Aston Martin! He's definitely made alot of money in the fashion industry, but just has no idea how to run an F1 Team!
Can't agree more with this! He has no idea at all now to run the team
Thank you! Yeah for sure, he has no idea at all what he's doing!
How hard can it be? Benetton had an awesome F1 team back in the day, surely if they could do it so can fashionista Stroll.
@@norseman4763 lmao this comment is so funny
F1 is a lot more dynamic, sophisticated and technical than the schmatta business. And Junior isn't helping the cause either.
What’s sad is that Lawrence stroll has not learned business 101.
If you want to succeed in business but don’t have the knowledge, you hire the best at each position and get out of their way!
Lance stroll is really nothing more than a pay driver. He can never beat his team mates regardless what team he drives for!
Yeah 101% it’s about WHO can do the job!
Both of you armchair experts, you have zero knowledge of what you are talking about!
@@gpcentral I don't think Lance is doing that terribly though. I have always believed people undervalued Hulkenberg and Vettel has won multiple world championships. He aint no nro 1 driver, but you don't really want two number 1 drivers in your team. That is what worked at mercedes in the past as Bottas was almost always naturally slightly slower than Hamilton. It will be interesting what happens when mercedes is on the top again.
@@oappi4686 I agree that Lance isn't terrible, but I would make the argument that he isn't as good as he thinks he is. If you pay attention to him during free practice's, qualifying and races, it's obvious that there's a lot of frustration in Lance.
Let me explain:
- In my opinion it looks like he deems free practice sessions beneath him, as he can't be bothered to concentrate and therefore often loses the car and even crashes.
- In qualifying he never manages to get that "perfect" lap in and always finds an excuse for why he couldn't deliver. (wind, rain, tyres, track, car, other drivers, strategy)
- Even when it's obvious he made a mistake, he always refuses to accept the blame and looks for excuses. (see above)
Lance Stroll had quite a career before F1 and he did pretty well in other categories. Then he made the step to F1 and it all started to unravel. First he blamed the poor performing Williams for everything, but ignored that his team mate often outperformed him with that same Williams. Then daddy bought a better team and Lance didn't show much improvement. Sure, there were glimpses of what he could do when everything came his way, but more often he was again outperformed by his team mate and/or made mistakes.
In my opinion Lance Stroll is a talented driver, he's just not F1 material. It would be much better for him to leave F1 and find a racing category that suits him better so he can start to be competitive again and find the joy in racing again, because he surely seems to lack enjoying racing right now.
Mazepin might have something to say about that last part.
Lawrence Stroll is destroying the F1 team as well as Aston Martin the automotive business.
He sure is running it to the ground
Great take for 2023.
Stroll's autocratic leadership style is to blame for the team's relatively poor performance. The team was punching well above its weight prior to Stroll's involvement. Although Stroll invested in the team and recruited a number of high-profile staff, it failed to materialise any performance. The Aston Martin board must consider replacing him with a credible team principal if were to achieve consistent results that the Aston Martin brand deserves.
Who do you think would be suitable to replace him then tho?
@@gpcentral ron dennis lol
He owns the team you numpty.
@@martingonzalez2850 Stroll led a consortium to invest £182m for approx 17% stake in Aston Martin, not the sole owner. Look at Ron Dennis, despite owning 25% of McLaren, he was sacked by the board and if I remember correctly he eventually sold all his share. So before insulting people know ur facts, only shows who is numpty!
@@hfurqonpurnomo994 🤣🤣🤣
Not quite accurate regarding the brake ducts.
It's a bit complex, but I'll try a brief summary: RP had actually purchased the 2019 spec brake duct CAD models from Mercedes prior to the rule change making them listed parts in 2020. They used those models to design and build front brake ducts that were used on the both 2019 and 2020 cars, but they didn't run anything in 2019 based off the rear models from Mercedes, so the front ducts were legal, but not the rear.
Hope this helps explain!
Thank so much for clearing things up! Appreciate you!
Stroll is proof that money cannot replace brains. People should either out stay in the business they do not understand, or listen to the people who know what they are talking about instead of letting them go.
Fact there!
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@@billytuchscher 💯💯💯
Stroll Snr is clearly not understanding the basics of a racing team. When he was around the Williams paddock you could see he didn't get why the team was struggling, and no-one looked happy to have him there. Fast forward to Aston Martin and it's the same story, he doesn't seem to understand you have to take a step back and let the engineers and experienced people do their thing, and again, no-one seems happy for him to be there and feel like they're in a position where they cant speak out on the true problems of the team for fear of their jobs. If the team and their personnel are to survive and prosper again, he needs to either sell it on to someone better or cut his management and ego out the picture entirely and just trust the people who know what they're doing
Great analysis there! He really needs to learn to step back and let the experts take control.
Great analysis on Lawrence Stroll! Not many people talk about his history before F1
Thank you! We felt we should share the full history of how it all began
yeah very true, he has no business in F1
Great explanation on how Lawrence Stroll destroyed Aston Martin
Thank you
Time to delete this comment...
I think it's clear why Sebastian Vettel is now retiring. It's sad to think a four-time champion is probably retiring early because of a poorly run team. Thank you for this video I learned a lot. I just got into Formula 1 about 5 years ago and I'm trying to learn as much as possible because it's a very interesting sport.
Appreciate the comment JJ! What do you think about Alson signing over to AM now tho?
@@gpcentral I do not understand Alonzo going to Aston Martin. They are obviously on their way down and Alpine is obviously been running really well and he has had some great races this season. I'm confused why he's leaving and going to Aston Martin. I don't know anything about contracts or anything like that maybe alonso's contract is up but I think AM would be the last place I would want to go. Formula 1 is such an interesting sport I am learning there is quite a bit of politics in Formula 1 which is kind of interesting to me. I'm in America I'm used to watching NASCAR and Indy car and you don't have the team orders like you have in Formula 1. The amount of strategy and thinking that goes into winning a Formula 1 race is fun to watch and learn about. And on top of that the cars are unbelievable with the amount of money and technology that goes into the design of these cars is absolutely amazing. Thanks for the videos keep them coming I'm learning a lot. Especially about this Lawrence Stroll Fiasco at Aston Martin. I knew there was something going on there but I didn't have all the pieces of information. I was fairly new into Formula 1 when that happened so I didn't know all of the history prior to it. Your video definitely helped me out with understanding the situation a lot more
Yes that's why Alonso insta signed with them lol. Aston has a 5 year plan and they're in year 2. If they're trash in 2025 stroll is a failure. Rn they're rebuilding
@@jjhalloran1159 Aston martin can't be as bad as you guys thought. First race of 2023 Alonso gets 3rd and Stroll gets 6th.
@@cherb23 no I take my comments back. They have definitely made some serious improvements this season. I am rooting for Alonzo I love seeing the old guys win. And it's going to be fantastic seeing someone up front other than the big three teams fighting for wins and podiums
I can’t wait until both Strolls are gone.
Amedeo Felisa is the CEO of Aston Martin
Thanks for the input
2023 has started well. I await the new video.
Stroll just tryin to be another Briatore. No way man. Ever.
LOL! What do you think he should do then?
@@gpcentral pay the experts and trust the experts
@@gpcentral pay the experts and trust the experts. He’s not an expert in F1
Interesting to watch this video and read these comments given that AM appears to have produced the 2nd fastest car of 2023 and was on the podium on merit at the first race with a Lance Stroll dragging his broken wrists to 6th. It would appear that everyone being a little premature in writing AM off!
I also get annoyed when videos like this get important detail so wrong. AM were not originally Force India........originally the team was Jordan, then Midland, then Spyker and then Force India
Lance Stroll will never accept he needs to let his son go and run his team with engineers making all the technical decisions. and not himself.
You mean Lawrence Stroll? 🤣
Mike Krack dispelled the rumors about this. I think this is just gossip.
Judging by the Drive to Survive series Lawrence Stroll is a deeply unpleasant man.
He sure is
Stroll....IS Not his Name! Start from there.
Troll? 🤣
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He needs to sell the team to Andretti Motorsports so it can be run properly.
Great idea!
Andretti are already in F1 in a couple of years aren’t they?
@@potluck_ no they are trying to get in.
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We don't need any more North Americans in F1. They just don't understand racing other than round and round and turning left.
Lawrence Stroll will be successful with Aston Martin. He is putting everything together with new facilities and brain power. He has been hiring good people, and it takes time to gel. Next year is an important year for the team. They have to show progress, and
I am sure they can do it.
They've showed progress the last two weeks. Positive consider Spa and Netherlands are so different.
That's what I told my hospital, they need to hire a businessman like Laurence Stroll to run the place and tell the surgeons how to operate. 😆
@@IslandArt61 Yeah, sometimes you do need to that to make sure they're keeping up with best practices, etc. Your point doesn't really mean anything.
And now Aston Martin are looking strong in 2023...
Without daddy buying a team lance wouldn’t be in F1 now. There’s way better drivers out there.
Very true! Do you think Lance is getting better tho?
@@gpcentral No. the mid-pack runners are all over the place this season, with car performance varying massively from track to track. I think the last few tracks have just suited their car.
Seb is just suffering in Aston! He needs a better car!
Seb, like Ricardo and Alonso need to retire and let F1 go
Seb needed to retire after his Ferrari failure
If he doesn't retire, he'll go to McLaren
Thanks for the insight. Good to see that money is not a replacement for natural talent. Lawrence could learn a lot by listening to this video, but his ego would not let him listen and he would just be shouting at the TV while watching.
Thanks for the comment Kevin! Facts what you said there haha! What do you think Lawrence should do then tho?
@@gpcentral He should take a step back and not interfere with decisions. If he really wanted to be successful would have been better to learn his craft by buying a team in a lower formula and progressing. Vijay Mallya made it look easy, must have gave Lawrence too much confidence.
@@KevHarkins1 yeah very true facts, like actually learning the craft than thinking he knows it all!
Lawrence Stroll single handedly made Vettel retired!!!
Bully at work and replaces vetted with a 41 year old. Oh Lawrence thinks he is smartest man is the room. Lol
Insane right? What do you think Lawrence should do now then?
@@gpcentral Lawrence should hire Toto wolf from Mercedes and bring Hamilton with. Money talk but Lawrence thinks he. Is the smartest man in the room. They will never win a championship with him at the helm. Never
Not just Laurence - I'm certain that Lance had a hand in it all - especially the last lap in France.
Gee .. what could be the problem ?
It's called EGO ! Papa Stroll knows EVERYTHING ! Certainly more than any of his employees. So there is no way King Stroll is going to allow his team to be directed by a salaried peon. Even if that "Peon" has been incredibly successful in F1 and is exactly what Low-Rent Stroll needs.
This is going to be a true test of Papa Strolls character & business prowess. If he is humble enough to realize that he needs F1 people to do F1 things and to give them the freedom to do just that. Than I think he can be very successful. But if he continues down the "Nobody is going to tell me what to do !" road. It's gonna be a LONG & very Short one at the same time.
Great point there
💯
Stroll and humble. Two words that don't seem to go together.
Lawerance is just a big bully, he know nothing about F1 but he think he knows everything. Like signing 41 year old Alonso. 41 that’s funny.
🤣🤣🤣 what do you think he should do then?
I am loving the freezing cold takes in this video and especially in the comment section...
Why anyone would want to work for Stroll, is a mystery to me.
We don’t know too!
How to turn a silk purse into a sow’s ear, hand it over to Lawrence Stroll. It’s a crying shame what’s become of this team that was once on the cusp of greatness. The loss of genuine knowledge and expertise, a stench of nepotism, and a general sense that money is more important than engineering talent will be their downfall. It was only a matter of time before Vettel saw sense and left the sinking ship. Utterly tragic end.
Yeah it’s sad to see if where Seb has resulted into. What do you think Lawrence should do then?
This is today's F1: the Real Housewives of motorsports.. it's all fn drama and politics followed by more drama and bullshit.
Your material is great but slow down!! There are whole sections where you're reading and it is way, way too fast to process.
Thank you for the feedback
Lawrence Stroll have not recognize that his actions would reflect in less car sales as well.
Very true
Stroll should go for a very long walk
Go for a Strolllll you mean hahaa
F1 ain't Tommy Hilfiger... "My G0d, don’t they know? This stuff is simulacra of simulacra of simulacra. A diluted tincture of Ralph Lauren, who had himself diluted the glory days of Brooks Brothers, who themselves had stepped on the product of Jermyn Street and Savile Row, flavoring their ready-to-wear with liberal lashings of polo kit and regimental stripes. But Tommy surely is the null point, the black hole. There must be some Tommy Hilfiger event horizon, beyond which it is impossible to be more derivative, more removed from the source, more devoid of soul.” - William Gibson, _Pattern Recognition_
Great poin there!
Great video on Lawrence Stroll and Aston Martin!
Thank you!!!
I have been wondering this all year. Thanks for the clarification
You are most welcome Joe!!!
Such a shame for Force India as they were doing so good, now it sad that a great British name like Aston Martin is just in free fall. This seems to be a classic where the boss holds all the cards and it is their way only. How can a company as fantastic as Aston, just thinking they can copy other cars.
Bosses like this, NEVER LEARN, it’s always someone else’s fault. A real crash and burn team it looks like and so sad for the Aston Martin name.
Very true David! Thank you for commenting!
David……..there’s a certain familiarity (reading from your final paragraph) to what is currently going on in the Ferrari camp and especially certain team leaders. A great deal of self-denial with Binotto and Ferrari itself with fierce resistance by them against the understandable accusations of back to back to back poor quality of team orders and decision-making. And in this instance not only at Charles Leclerc’s expense but at the expense of any chance of the Championship title. It’s pitiful stuff.
Total opposite to Ferrari -- no team leader, just the usual Italian clown-car committee.
@@2earache Yes Nick that is very true, no one seems to be taking any responsibility, so a different mess with the same outcome, failure!
And a 'has been' driver for next year as well.
Wrong brand for F1.
No longer able to just copy.
Aston Martin are trying to move to silly supercars when they were the King of elegant GTs. Why?, makes no sense to me
😅 What do you think they should be doing then?
I mean, the Valkyrie is a total success and the new Valhalla will be as well. The DBX is selling like hot cake too.
That's the new normal for sports car brands, I guess 😅
@@MrPHILFULL 🤣🤣🤣 facts
Thank you for sharing about Lawrence history!
You bet!
Great video, but your pronunciation is all wonky. Alpine is pronounced in the french way. The emphasis is on the first syllable in szafnauer,
Thank you for the feedback!
Explains why Hamilton was so cautious in the sprint race and didn't do any aggressive overtaking
Which race are ya talking about?
Last one
@@camelio10 makes sense
Great analysis! I've said it milion times, no progress when the knucklehead leading the team has no vision! Plus, he may want to get rid of his son and put another driver in that seat if the improvements from 2023 are bound to happen.
Yeah lets home 2023 with the new factory on the way, things will change
Yeah they keep copying the designs of other teams
Yeah absolutely! Seb deserves a better partner!
Can't agree more with you. Aston Martin needs a leader with a better vision!
Father Stroll is quickly discovering that the old adage of how do you make a small fortune in F1, start out with a huge fortune is true.
True. He'll be seriously considering pulling the plug after this year, I'd have thought.
@@jammydodgerman He does not seem like a man who is used to waiting for what he wants so hopefully he and his child will be gone sooner rather than later.
They have a new factory coming up for 2023, hopefully things will change?
I saw a video of a team meeting involving Lawrence Stroll and the guy behaved so badly that I'd never work for him.
Yeah IKR, it’s insane.
Ashton Martin, who are they?
It looked to me that it was micro management by Stroll and not allowing team management to do their jobs. Regarding Vettel, he is probably thinking, since you don't want to listen, I'll do what I can with what you have given me.
Very true point there
Lawrence Stroll,he may be rich but he has no class in my opinion and this shows in how he treats people,like servants!!! The team needs a leader a Christian Horner type,and it needs two good drivers with experience,side line Lance for a couple of years and get someone with technical experience then bring Lance back when the car and team are sorted.
His management style is completely unsuited for F1. Formula 1 like film making is a giant collaboration between highly skilled people who are put off by threats and bullying which is Stroll’s management style. Especially when things don’t go as planned. No one wants to work in a negative environment in such a pressurized sport. Also it is funny that Stroll who comes from the fashion industry where knocking off or copying the latest trend is rampant, thinks that is the way to success in F1. The guy is simply unsuitable to be bossing an F1 team.
Yeah it’s really hilarious to see this happening
Daddy's boy would have been f..ked out of F1 if he was there. Terrible driving
Totally! What do you think Lance should do then?
If he was where? Lance may not be a remarkable driver, but at least he is not as bad as someone like Mazepin or Latifi. Its like saying Mick Schumacher would not have lasted this long in F1 if his father was not an F1 legend.
Yeah one is the son of a legend and the other is the son of a billionaire. Neither drivers have been impressive compared to the potential of their respective cars and teammates, but you have decided to hate on one of them solely based on their parent. How nice of you.
Aston may take a few years to make a major difference as it takes time to build a car worthy of F1 racing especially at the top.
Aston Martin was in financial trouble way before they had an F1 team. I feel like their performance on track is the final nail in the coffin for the company, unfortunately
Well they still might have a comeback
@@gpcentral I really hope so!
It’s not a big deal, but I had to laugh at the line “88 million euros!” while they spun a stock shot of US dollar bills…
Do you think Lawrence Stroll made or break Aston Martin? 👇
Do you even have to ask that question? For sure he made it worst!
He did save the team for bankruptcy! But he needs more knowledge in the sport!
He has no business in F1
well ....they have more funding but MUCH worse results...so...........
Get some knowledge
1:54 bro that's Alpine 🤣
Like him or them then that's your personal choice. But having daddy stroll buying out Aston Martin he single handedly prevented 100,s of staff getting sacked.... So in all fairness, he should be given some credit.....
Speculate to accumulate, right?..
Won't matter a f if the f1 side project goes down the tubes...
@@SpaceHCowboy How F1 has changed is absolutely crazy. Look how Force India nearly under. And the Indian backer was wanted for mass frauds in his home country.....
It was all a money sport, but since Bernie sold up it's sped up this process 10fold....
Typical, boss standing over skilled workers, telling them what to do
Facts 😅
Lawrence Stroll is no Tom Walkinshaw nor Zak Brown. He should either sell the team or stay behind the scene.
Absolutely 💯
I wouldn’t be using Walkinshaw as an example. Didn’t the TWR empire crumble some years back ?
Let's try and be fair on this. Force India was never particularly special. AM is a mid field team with one excellent driver, one "safe pair of hands but nothing special" driver.
Many things can go wrong - just ask Ferrari who have the one of the best car and driver combinations.
The answer is for Stroll the father to delegate management to a proper F1 level race engineer who is able to drive the passion here. As for Stroll Jnr, he has done a pretty good job, but it is time to move on.
Thanks for the comment Andrew! Why would you say it’s time for Lance to move on?
@@gpcentral Unlike many folks, I think LS is not a "bad driver" he is simply a mid field guy and there is no shame in that (I would be delighted to drive at his level;-)). For his own self respect, I think he needs to emerge from his father's shadow, just as it seems that probably AM needs to be less worried about what the boss thinks, and more focussed.
Throwing money at the problem wont solve it. They need to hire excellent engineers who want to work there. These top managers have nothing else to contribute besides money and demands in performance, its up to everyday engineers to make that car fast.
Hey Evaldas Senavaitis! Thanks for taking the time to drop by in the comments!
Lawrence Stroll is a control freak and wery full of himself. The team needs to get him away from any racing decisions.
He sure is! And yes they really need to have someone more knowledgeable to call the shots
You pronounce "Alpine" wrong, it's not an "i" sound but an "e"... As a frenchman it triggered me all video long... Yet great work, I'm subscribing.
Appreciate the feedback and welcome on board 💯
Too egotistical to admit lack of knowledge and experience and have the right people in the right positions.
Yeah that’s exactly the case
Trail braking in an F1 is unusual, and he over did it.
he sure did
Lawrence Stroll not only ruined the Aston Martin F1 team. He's also causing problems to the road car division as well.
What’s happen there?
@@gpcentral Aston Martin previously hired ex-AMG man Tobias Moers in 2020 as CEO after Lawrence bought the company. And then in May this year he quit, apparently there's too much disagreement over the future direction of the company.
@@takumifujiwara13954 Q.E.D.!
Austin Martin is a vanity trip for Lance and Daddy Stroll
Totally
@@gpcentral "Totally"?
Enjoying that humble pie, "F1 Expert" ?
Alonso can standup to Lawrence Stroll.
Let’s hope so!!!
Amedeo Felisa is the new boss of Aston Martin
Yeah but Stroll still seems to call most of the shots no?
This didn't really tell us anything about Stroll we didn't already know.
Thank you for the comment and apologies about that! What else do you think we could have included?
The chronology of this tale of woe is so messed up that I can't follow the timeline at all, and I know the timeline!
Which part is messed up?
always thought Lawrence Stroll would be the downfall for the team that Perez saved, Strolls way of doing things is not F1 healthy and he should have been listening to both Perez and Otmar.
Now, this is just Lawrence Stroll´s very expensive sandbox to play in for himself and his son.
most important is that Perez have a seat in RedBull, he deserves it. he got mad skillz and mad experience. and mad skillz keeping tires alive!
Can’t agree more about that what he’s doing is not healthy
What puzzles me is that Alonso has chosen to race for aston martin. My guess is that they have given him very good terms. The results is not a good argument at least.
Like father like son. Neither belong in f1
Well Lance is starting to show potential and hopefully the new factory will be ready for 2023 season.
@@gpcentral Listen, I am not throwing shade for the sake of it. Anyone who can drive one of these machines much less race one is in my books very highly skilled and rated.
However, starting to show potential after five years is asking me to stretch not only my reality but the reality of f1 and five years is a stretch too far for me personally to have any respect for him as a racer who deserves a seat in f1.
The emperor's son has no clothing. There's a pun in there someplace I'm sure.
@@kojack57 Outperforming Vettel on any week is not just potential. He's been miles ahead of him at times this weekend. But even before that has been quicker in races on several occasions. Oh and he's also what 12 years younger than Vettel? He hasn't reached his ceiling yet.
This video has definitely not aged well. LOL
They didn't copy anything from merc toto made sure they got everything they needed and in return toto got millions of shares in aston martin. This didn't go unoticed so they were investigated
Interesting point there!
Obviously Vettel has gone now. Winning at F1 is obviously great for a car manufacture - failure has the opposite effect, but still at great expense. I made a decision long ago not to buy AM shares. I haven't been proved wrong!
yeah good move John! Which are you buying? Mercs? hehe
All the criticism being levelled at Stroll, completely misses one crucial factor, and that is one "Martin Whitmarsh" This ex-BAE Systems Manager (sic) who was head-hunted by McLaren ?? And look where he took them !! almost to oblivion. Because It wasn't the man in the engine room... that put the ship on the beach.
Great point there
While Whitmarsh was at Mclaren has Managing Director & Chief Executive Officer they won 3 drivers titles & 70+ races...he left in 2014 & Ron Dennis took charge again that's when Mclarens fortunes went off a cliff....Presided over the Honda engine debacle & the dearth of sponsorship....Mumtalakat & Mansour Ojjeh then removed him from the company in 2017....Whitmarsh a long way down the list when blame is apportioned
@@thelord7878 , whitmarsh became CEO in 2010. All the titles and wins were in the Ron Dennis era.
When Dennis came back he was trying to clean up Whitmarsh’s mess.
Yes, Whitmarsh was part of Mclaren as well during the golden years, but Dennis called the shots
@@dirkdiggler5763 if Whitmarsh was there during the golden years but Ron Dennis called the shots then Ron needs his share of the blame because he was there during the dark days of 15/16...that's why he was sacked....its fair to say that if Mansour Ojjeh wasn't incapacitated with his double lung transplant then Dennis wouldn't have had the clout or shareholding to sack Whitmarsh...it was that act that was the beginning of the end for Ron
@@thelord7878 I’m still intrigued as to what went in between Dennis and Ojjeh to destroy their relationship. It was around the same time Dennis split with his wife .. not sure what went on
Owners, drivers need to go. Eval the engineers and when verified, trust in their craft to deliver a car worth P4-7
What do you think they should do then?
The controversy and fine over the rear brake ducts was crap. Their is only so.much space at the back of the car, what with upper and lower suspension pieces, the driveline, the gearbox, etc. The suspensions are similar so any ducts that space are going to look similar, too. It's just the FIA following Ferrari's lead. Again.
FIA is just looking for funny reason to attack a team
Ferrari International Assistance = FIA.
This is SO incredibly, hilariously bad it's actually morbidly fascinating, like a car crash you can't look away from. WTAF did I just watch and listen to...
what about it was bad?
TH-camrs are experts on how to manage F1 teams.
Yes, and their 2023 predictions are absolutely terrible 🤣
Just do a straight sub between Lance and Hulk for the remainder of the season and see how it unfolds. Lance isn't suited to lead or be part of a team that is second to last as he doesn't provide much to improve a team. He isn't crap but he isn't worthy of rebuilding a team. Every team he's been on has gone downhill.
Well don’t you think maybe it’s more about the car being sucky vs Lance?
Nico "no podiums in 10 years " Hulkenberg? Yeah, that's the answer! 😅
The only real good thing he did was to sack Checo!
FACTS THERE!
What?
@@SixJayy Because he ended up at RB and is now at the pinnacle of his career. All thanks to Stroll :D
@@jammydodgerman god i fell for that one. But yeah totally agree lmao
Lawrence should just sack his son and stop micro managing his team
Yup! He has to really stop if he still wants a future in F1
Exactly! He hired so many people from other top teams. He should just let them do their jobs properly.
He desperately does everything he can to keep his son's seat in F1 even if it is to the detriment of the team.
You aren't pronouncing his surname correctly. The S is silent, it's pronounced Troll.
LOL
Both Strolls should proudly wear this pie all over their face.
Which pie? Lol
@@gpcentral when you know, you know. 😇
Stroll seems like the Jerry Jones of Formula 1
Wrong on just about everything, it was Vejay that secured the Mercedes engine deel which put use ahead of Lotus and Mcclaren, Schafnar was a bystander. Lawrence Strole has secured the teams future for a long long time with the Aramco deal.
Daddy Stroll needs to accept that F1 isn't about pretty fashionable car design. It's advanced engineering coupled with a team sport. (although not as sporting as it used to be) Stroll junior can drive a race car but not really good enough for F1.
Daddy Stroll is ruining the name of the iconic Aston Martin. By all means finance the team but allow those who know the profession to do their jobs & the team will go from strength to strength.
This man doesn’t give up without a fight! He didn’t get this far without evolving so I don’t think he’s done evolving just yet 🍿
True, but is he taking forever to evolve?
Not sure because I haven’t done the research and feel I don’t need to! I’m sure all team struggled in the beginning, so patience and enjoy the ride!
The original name of the team was not force India, it was Jordan. I think someone needs to do their homework better.
Thanks for the insights David!
This guy buys a team so his kid gets to race in F1. I doubt Lance Stroll would last very long otherwise. He is just not good enough in his all round abilities.
Well he’s still under performing but definitely better than before
Lance is useless, get rid of him and put a real driver in the seat, and now that vettel is leaving there is room for another driver too.
Thanks for the comment. Have you not seen the news tho? Alonso signed to AM.
Good luck Piastri. You're gonna need it.
Why? He’s in mclaren…
@@somuchbs6008 cool... I made that comment 2 months ago. 🤷♂️
Does anybody else think Stroll looks like Roger Stone? I think they were twins who were separated at birth.
LOL you're so funny
I think Lawrence can still be the owner if he wants. Just be like Flavio something who got banned. When he got into the sport, he also didn't know anything, but he put the money in the right places, hiring the right good people. But he was able to lead his team better because he trusted those he hired giving them the freedom to do what they were paid for. Lawrence is controlling his too much. All he has to do is give them fianancing, and leave them alone to do their jobs well.