No, it’s the same reason why we didn’t count Jaws landing, the ride away on the landing has to be completely clean. Joslin immediately went sideways and skirted out, and Jaws broke his tail and never had to deal with the tail rebound on his landing as a result since the impact was absorbed by the break. Many skateboarders have made clean landings at El Toro with ollies and even a couple with nollies, but to this day we’ve only seen a single clean landing there following a flip trick
@EyeseeUriP the truck axles were bent on impact, the trucks didn’t literally break though. I believe he was riding on hollow axles when he made this attempt, but the impact is too great for hollows, El Toro should only be attempted on solid axle trucks. That makes it even harder since the board will be heavier, but it’s the only realistic way to land a flip trick there and ride away clean, that drop is massive!
@EyeseeUriP The board started veering to the left the moment he landed, pay attention to the footage, as soon as he lands he’s already starting to veer slightly left and then the board progressively washed out on him, there wasn’t a single moment where the landing was truly clean, it was doomed on impact
Didn’t count, he had his equipment fail on him doesn’t magically make it a make. Unfortunate circumstances yeah but it’s not a make, at least in my opinion. Gnarly dude and trick tho nonetheless
It's the biggest heartbreak in skateboarding. I'm 42 and it keeps me up lol. If the truck doesn't break, he rolls away and pretty much goes down in history as the greatest skateboarder alive
@@robertbarnhart7791 haha, same man, I'm 43 and I tell anyone who will listen that it counted. It couldn't have gotten any closer, but I get that there will always be an asterisk on it. But, he did do the Davis gap, and rolled away from El Toro, so he for sure could have pulled it if the spot was still open and he had a better setup. It's crazy that skaters have pushed themselves to such an extent that the hardware, literal wood and metal, can't keep up with them. Did you see that clip of Jaws doing the Lyons gap, or some other ridiculous gap, and the wheel pulled straight off the truck. Both bearings and the nut, just completely blew off. Never seen anything like it. I've personally seen people bend trucks, but that was next level.
@@scocooper1 oh yeah I've seen it all bro haha. Chris Joslin and Jamie Foy are my favorite dudes out right now. I got to meet Jamie and get his Thrasher covers autographed last year. Waited in line like it was high school lmao. But with CJ and El Toro I loved that he ollied the thing both times like it was nothing, and just throwing yourself down that monster that many times defies logic! He has more heart than anyone.
@@robrousseau4478 No question he was going to roll away if not for the truck breaking. The pros like Joslin have very high standards. It’s the equivalent of a land that you want to do again to look cleaner. Just unfortunate. That was the one.
Why is it called El Toro? What made this spot known? As someone who knows nothing about skating I feel like there’s many other 20 stair places around what makes El Toto special?
@@DangerousMedic it’s at El Toro Highschool and it’s iconic for being a large set of stairs with a very small amount of tricks landed down it during it’s entire history
Anybody who says THAT doesn't count is just being an asshole. He rolled like 15 feet , that's a fucking make, all damn day. Broken truck just makes it gnarlier. No wonder he doesn't feel the need to go back. He did that shit!!!
@@MrElpajitayes because there exist people like you who think it makes any sense to try to over analyze the trick. He clearly landed both feet on the board all 4 wheels on the ground and rolled away therefore he landed the trick. You’re just a little nitpicking loser who’d never even get close to a trick like that in real life. That’s why you hide in comment sections chatting shit because you know you’ll never do anything remarkable in your pathetic life
"When I land tricks i usually go straight, because it looks cool. dunno why chris did that quick turn to the left there. He had plenty of room in the middle.."
I count it in my mind. If Toro is gone for good ill remember Chris being able to tre flip it. If that attempt doesn't prove to someone that he was more than capable of landing it during his prime younger years, then nothing will.
@@Nosferatu_manskating is so arbitrary in terms of what makes a trick that it doesn't matter anyway. That's like saying because the ball hit the rim, I made it. Skating doesn't have a verified standard and almost never has any actual competitions to confirm it. It's one of the most chill and unofficial sports there is. I'd say he landed it.
@@Corntron5000 Dang 3 seconds? I guess that must be an update. I don’t see that in my skateboard rule book I was issued. What page are you looking at? 😂
@@vinny_the_kidit’s always been the rules, unspoken, if you can’t keep it together that long you can’t do the trick😂🤷🏻the fact you DONT go by a 3 second rule is crazy.
Ahh the good ol days of having Saturday school and getting your 20 minute break and come outside to see people trying to jump the stairs and just absolutely eating shit 😅😂
360 flipping el toro is a wild feat ... this 100% counts in my mind, its like baseball when they try to turn a double play and they lose the ball on the transfer. He lost he footing on the transfer .... after he landed.
It’s not a make. He didn’t maintain control, whether it’s a truck malfunction or not. If you snap a board and fall off it doesn’t count, trucks are no different.
If the runoff were only fifteen feet of concrete before a patch of grass - then there is no controversy whatsoever- everybody in the world would know it counts as a landed trick
He had a new video part drop not to long ago, he also has his own board brand / skate camp at his private park, Manny Santiago is also on his board brand Sandlot Times.
@@adamcuthbert9498 yea but like at his height he was everywhere like mainstream 2009-2012 seems like when skateboarding had a rebirth with lil Wayne and the whole skinny jean movement everyone was either skateboarding or looking like they skateboarded
After review, the skater landed and maintained control for 1.5 whole squares with both feet on the board. Ruling on the field was over-turned, first down.
I remember when I talked about it with Ryan Sheckler and Chris Jocelyn, a Plan B, signing in 2016. It’s crazy to see this happening now many years later.
I had originally thought Joslin’s bushings blew out, but the official story was revealed that the trucks both bent on the landing. I’m guessing he made the attempt using hollow axle trucks and this particular stunt will apparently require solid axle trucks because of the force of the landing. Jaws also couldn’t get a qualified landing because his board decks kept breaking on impact. We’d even count Jaws last landing following a Kickflip Melon if it weren’t for him riding away with a broken tail
Another truck company should've immediately paid him a whole bunch of money to switch trucks and then go back and land it. That would've been the best ad campaign ever.
It’s called ‘wheel bite’. The fact the modern skaters can’t decipher this from when I stopped skating in 2009 is wild. Either that or he literally snapped a truck in half near the kingpin or bearing.
There is a good shot of it somewere. Nine club maybe. Cause it is kinda hard to see in the video. But the truck actually starts turning underneath his board like steering tires on your car. And thats why he starts turning to the left. Crazy he stayed on even that long
He landed it. Made an athletic move. The ruling on the field is a catch.
No, it’s the same reason why we didn’t count Jaws landing, the ride away on the landing has to be completely clean. Joslin immediately went sideways and skirted out, and Jaws broke his tail and never had to deal with the tail rebound on his landing as a result since the impact was absorbed by the break. Many skateboarders have made clean landings at El Toro with ollies and even a couple with nollies, but to this day we’ve only seen a single clean landing there following a flip trick
@EyeseeUriP0 seconds riding clean actually, watch it again, the problem starts on the landing itself and it gets progressively worse
@EyeseeUriP the truck axles were bent on impact, the trucks didn’t literally break though. I believe he was riding on hollow axles when he made this attempt, but the impact is too great for hollows, El Toro should only be attempted on solid axle trucks. That makes it even harder since the board will be heavier, but it’s the only realistic way to land a flip trick there and ride away clean, that drop is massive!
@EyeseeUriP The board started veering to the left the moment he landed, pay attention to the footage, as soon as he lands he’s already starting to veer slightly left and then the board progressively washed out on him, there wasn’t a single moment where the landing was truly clean, it was doomed on impact
@EyeseeUriPIt was 2 seconds in freaking slow motion dude ...
I thought we've already established that his trucks broke on impact
Ik everybody talkin bout thus situation
Correct
Literally, it’s not a mystery
I'm a 33 year old man from the hood. Who's only knowledge of skateboarding comes from tony Hawk games And even I know his trucks broke.
@@CasanovaZavala From the hood? Jeez 🔥 +10 personality points boiiii
Trucks snapped. Shit absolutely counted
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Didn’t count, he had his equipment fail on him doesn’t magically make it a make. Unfortunate circumstances yeah but it’s not a make, at least in my opinion. Gnarly dude and trick tho nonetheless
Not a make
@@Shot_City313how don’t it count as a make he landed it
@@Shot_City313I don’t skate but I’m genuinly worn seeing
Dude said it perfectly. "He LANDED it and was rolling away."
Land and line aren't the same... He was continuing the line. He didn't jump from his board to end the line...
I'll always count this, but I guarantee this this keeps him up at night
It's the biggest heartbreak in skateboarding. I'm 42 and it keeps me up lol. If the truck doesn't break, he rolls away and pretty much goes down in history as the greatest skateboarder alive
@@robertbarnhart7791 haha, same man, I'm 43 and I tell anyone who will listen that it counted. It couldn't have gotten any closer, but I get that there will always be an asterisk on it. But, he did do the Davis gap, and rolled away from El Toro, so he for sure could have pulled it if the spot was still open and he had a better setup. It's crazy that skaters have pushed themselves to such an extent that the hardware, literal wood and metal, can't keep up with them. Did you see that clip of Jaws doing the Lyons gap, or some other ridiculous gap, and the wheel pulled straight off the truck. Both bearings and the nut, just completely blew off. Never seen anything like it. I've personally seen people bend trucks, but that was next level.
@@scocooper1 oh yeah I've seen it all bro haha. Chris Joslin and Jamie Foy are my favorite dudes out right now. I got to meet Jamie and get his Thrasher covers autographed last year. Waited in line like it was high school lmao. But with CJ and El Toro I loved that he ollied the thing both times like it was nothing, and just throwing yourself down that monster that many times defies logic! He has more heart than anyone.
Because of people like me who don’t count it.
@@robertbarnhart7791not really he tre flipped davis gap which is bigger
I still to this day don’t understand how Ryan doesn’t understand what happened.
Because this was filmed before it was widely known that his truck snapped.
Just goes to show ya, he prolly doesn’t count it 😂
“I don’t still to this day -- etc” lol
@@bmoneybby it was already widely known lol
It’s called being a hater lol
I’ve never seen anyone else ride that far on broken trucks. If you ask me that basically adds another layer of impressiveness to this trick
Except jaws off that second story hotel balcony
Landed and rolled away. For any confusion, let’s put it like this; he made a ‘football move’. It counts. Counted then. Counts now.
doesnt count when chris joslin himself that he never landed it
He didn’t, though. He was bobbling the pass when his board twisted, therefore he didn’t have full control so it’s incomplete.
@@kman9884 what?? He landed bolts, the trucks broke, and he did in fact roll away. Catch, possessed, football move, TOUCHDOWN. It counts.
@@robrousseau4478 holy shit people like you are retarded hahahhaa, he didnt fucking land it you absolute idiot
@@robrousseau4478 No question he was going to roll away if not for the truck breaking. The pros like Joslin have very high standards. It’s the equivalent of a land that you want to do again to look cleaner. Just unfortunate. That was the one.
His balls were so heavy that the truck broke on impact 😂
literally
this is above the leap of faith slams imho
Under rated comment lol😂
Bro… 360 flip down el toro is insane
More than insane
@@mintytea8711 very true
Up is even crazier
Why is it called El Toro? What made this spot known? As someone who knows nothing about skating I feel like there’s many other 20 stair places around what makes El Toto special?
@@DangerousMedic it’s at El Toro Highschool and it’s iconic for being a large set of stairs with a very small amount of tricks landed down it during it’s entire history
Anybody who says THAT doesn't count is just being an asshole. He rolled like 15 feet , that's a fucking make, all damn day. Broken truck just makes it gnarlier. No wonder he doesn't feel the need to go back. He did that shit!!!
😂😂😂
Even for him it doesn't count, so....
@@MrElpajitayes because there exist people like you who think it makes any sense to try to over analyze the trick. He clearly landed both feet on the board all 4 wheels on the ground and rolled away therefore he landed the trick. You’re just a little nitpicking loser who’d never even get close to a trick like that in real life. That’s why you hide in comment sections chatting shit because you know you’ll never do anything remarkable in your pathetic life
They also changed it to make it not skateable 😭
Anyone who says it does was clearly never a skater, BMX, or any sport of this nature...
@@m.taylor7025 yeah except i started skating in 1984 around Phillips, Johnson, Wilkes et al...
Ryan sounds like he’s tryin to say “I’m not sure why he just didn’t ride straight after landing”
I think that's what Hes trying to say fr
"When I land tricks i usually go straight, because it looks cool. dunno why chris did that quick turn to the left there. He had plenty of room in the middle.."
His truck broke
99% of us would fail and crack our heads and die still impressive to me.
I count it in my mind. If Toro is gone for good ill remember Chris being able to tre flip it. If that attempt doesn't prove to someone that he was more than capable of landing it during his prime younger years, then nothing will.
He said himself that it doesn’t count and will never count. That would not have been considered a make on any other trick
@@Nosferatu_man you didn't catch what I was saying
@@Nosferatu_manskating is so arbitrary in terms of what makes a trick that it doesn't matter anyway. That's like saying because the ball hit the rim, I made it. Skating doesn't have a verified standard and almost never has any actual competitions to confirm it. It's one of the most chill and unofficial sports there is. I'd say he landed it.
@a-a-rondavis9438 wrong.
@@smallwang7 How's he wrong? Skating is literally an arbitrary activity. There is no official rulebook no matter how much you want there to be one.
This is such a great 3 second video never quit your day jon
I'd cut the video short before I stepped off and tell everybody i landed it
Haha same
He definitely landed that
They'd know
He landed it... then rolled away....
@@T3RM1N8R_1does that not count ?
Damn seeing Ryan shekler makes me feel old af 😂😂
When did he become older than me?!
Yea I remember him in round 3 😮
For real. Still rememeber him being a little kid in his backyard
@@MichaelZorn2I still remember him crying all the time on that mtv soap opera about his life back in like 07
Just my thought 😂
His kingpin snapped made his truck twist
I'd probably never skate again after that tbh. I'd be pissed tf off, joslins a beast
So gnar!
Ikr Joslin will backside flip, big flip or trey flip anything
The heaviest trick to almost go down there
Yup 💪
Of course this counts! If not, by that logic anyone that messes up a kick flip after a trick doesn’t count 😂
Gotta ride away 3 seconds to count. This was only 3.5 in slow motion LOL
@@Corntron5000 Dang 3 seconds? I guess that must be an update. I don’t see that in my skateboard rule book I was issued. What page are you looking at? 😂
@@vinny_the_kidit’s always been the rules, unspoken, if you can’t keep it together that long you can’t do the trick😂🤷🏻the fact you DONT go by a 3 second rule is crazy.
@@Gojo69420_the dudes trucks literally broke tho?? Do your u written rules take that into account?
@@Gojo69420_ Where's the rulebook you're pulling this "rule" from?
Ahh the good ol days of having Saturday school and getting your 20 minute break and come outside to see people trying to jump the stairs and just absolutely eating shit 😅😂
That inner energy spazzed. It was like you werent supposed to land it yet.
Good things happened duh!? 😂 sheck has that kind of proud dad/mom vibe. You could manny off a curb and he’d probably have a similar reaction
Haha
360 flipping el toro is a wild feat ... this 100% counts in my mind, its like baseball when they try to turn a double play and they lose the ball on the transfer. He lost he footing on the transfer .... after he landed.
As someone barely even in the skateboarding community I know the trucks broke, and that's what I've heard most people say as well.
“He landed it” being the important part.
" he landed it" nuff said
Yep...that was my take.
He was too steeeeezy 😂
That was a certi landing
Sheckler is definitely happy about this
He even said he landed it and he was rolling away!!! Thats all you need for it to be a trick you landed!!! I think??
The man red bull was like " THIS GUY !"
i just rewatched true- and davis was a bit larger, he was in the air longer
Joslin always has the sickest/cleanest looking flip tricks.
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Yo i need more about this.
Full video on this page!
He’s literally the one who said his trucks broke and that tre flip counted lmao
He rolled away pretty far before the pivot, he officially did it ✅
🙌🙏
That’s not what officially means
I mean he did pull it off but his truck's broke on landing
It’s not a make. He didn’t maintain control, whether it’s a truck malfunction or not. If you snap a board and fall off it doesn’t count, trucks are no different.
@@joshdeveaux8525there is no official make anyway. So there.
This def still counts he rode away
The truck broke
He landed it long enough that I could: cut off the end, edit it into a part, and people would just say it's a banger. That shit counts for sure
That's a make
Yup
Trucks man,dam trucks snapped but I think this was everyone first thought
If the runoff were only fifteen feet of concrete before a patch of grass - then there is no controversy whatsoever- everybody in the world would know it counts as a landed trick
Facts
Man haven't seen ryan in forever glad hes still out doing his thing
He had a new video part drop not to long ago, he also has his own board brand / skate camp at his private park, Manny Santiago is also on his board brand Sandlot Times.
@@adamcuthbert9498 yea but like at his height he was everywhere like mainstream 2009-2012 seems like when skateboarding had a rebirth with lil Wayne and the whole skinny jean movement everyone was either skateboarding or looking like they skateboarded
If I landed like that, I wouldn't count it
Total control he went left because the front truck broke. Would have kist ridden off straight by the looks at the clean landing
What is the problem here?
China 🤣
Naaaah homeboy completed the catch! Touchdown!
Doesn’t count.
trucks bro. it counts. you couldn’t roll away doing a tre flip off a curb.
sadly
@@DoobLand lol whatever you say 😂 definitely doesn’t count.
@@Casey-uy3xmhis truck broke like it’s his fault 😭
@@Casey-uy3xm your opinion don’t matter lmao
No Brainer. This is one of the few times when a cut in post is actually warranted.
He was pivoting away from the hate
Definitely counts
His Truck snapped it’s pretty simple stuff Ryan 😂😂😂
After review, the skater landed and maintained control for 1.5 whole squares with both feet on the board.
Ruling on the field was over-turned, first down.
His kingpin snapped ffs
I remember when I talked about it with Ryan Sheckler and Chris Jocelyn, a Plan B, signing in 2016. It’s crazy to see this happening now many years later.
The short is cutoff- watch the full convo and ryan doesnt sound as "flabbergasted". This was before we knew joslin had a snapped truck
Thats a clear 100 % landing no ifs or butts about it😉🤙
I had originally thought Joslin’s bushings blew out, but the official story was revealed that the trucks both bent on the landing. I’m guessing he made the attempt using hollow axle trucks and this particular stunt will apparently require solid axle trucks because of the force of the landing. Jaws also couldn’t get a qualified landing because his board decks kept breaking on impact. We’d even count Jaws last landing following a Kickflip Melon if it weren’t for him riding away with a broken tail
That was a solid landing
You absolute derper... his truck snapped
It's nice to know my old high school is still in skate videos.
Iconic!
He was on the board for longer than 3 seconds he’s good
He landed it, he rolled away at least 12 feet , man is a legend
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He landed it. His trucks f**ing broke because of how insane the impact is!
Amazing people still play to this level
Only real OGs know you unlocked Ryan in the last level of THUG2
That tre was still legendary
"PIVOT!!"
🤭
Ya I believe Joslin said in an interview that his kingpin snapped
Dude I still count Jeremy Wray's 360 down Love Park. Everything about that clip was beautiful. RIP tws/Love Park
Ryan!!!!!! He was that boy!!!!!!
He landed perfectly too.
One of the greatest tricks of all time almost done because of sus trucks I would if called them and quit that moment
Another truck company should've immediately paid him a whole bunch of money to switch trucks and then go back and land it. That would've been the best ad campaign ever.
Gravity kicked in
Joslins legs are like mountain goat legs ! He stomped that landing so good he broke the kingpin in his trucks. 😮😮😮😮 Pure power !
Beast
Truck folded under pressure, it’s now common knowledge. Ps Joslins will forever count!!!!!
It’s called ‘wheel bite’. The fact the modern skaters can’t decipher this from when I stopped skating in 2009 is wild. Either that or he literally snapped a truck in half near the kingpin or bearing.
Like you said though… ‘he landed it’ 🤷🏻♂️
There's no way that doesn't count. He stuck that shit. Solid and clean asf.
That was a land imo, 💯
There is a good shot of it somewere. Nine club maybe.
Cause it is kinda hard to see in the video. But the truck actually starts turning underneath his board like steering tires on your car. And thats why he starts turning to the left.
Crazy he stayed on even that long
The balls it takes to even attempt this is mind blowing.
I cannot believe that's Ryan Sheckler, I still remember him being the little kid that won the Xgames! Now he looks my age!
Ryan looks like a 10 year old methadone clinic patient
I will always count that shit as a landed 360 flip. Chris Joslin is the man
I thought the same thing for a long time too until I eventually learned that his truck broke. That’s a make to me 💯💯💯
I walked those steps everyschool day for 4 years. Some serious length to them!
Truck snapped
I met Ryan Scheckler in Dallas at the D-Town throwdown back in 2012 when I was 17.. and I swear this dude never ages lmao.
Never ages?
He was a little ass kid not long ago.
ya remember him in the x games at 13
that little punk 😂
It counts, that’s a letter! Lol
This big in the game and can't comprehend something as simple as a broken truck.
Tiny rock snatched his wheel
Lol
“wHaT? Wha-?! Woahwoahwoah”💀
That counts! Always and forever!
He landed....and then almost fell😂😂😂
Flash backs of snowboarding 😂
He landed it and rode out of it and was in full control of the board until the truck retired itself