My top 3 is similar to yours only The Shining is my second place and Barry Lyndon third place, we can't ignore the whole technology that went behind the craft of each scene, especially the famous nasa lens fitted on the 35mm camera. I wish he had directed Napoleon, it would've have been a massive endeavour but a visual feast nonetheless!
@@Nightmvoeskn5zg I agree, I have been reading about Napoleon, it's definitely one of those movies that should've been made, have you read about the Aryan papers? Another one on that list too.
@@mid90s75 I think it was the layers psychologically speaking, the amount of detail and the archetypes etc... I love psychological type of movies and that one I remember even though I watched it ages ago it stayed with me.
More than obsessions, I think it's the passion and drive to make the best film out there for the people. There are obsessive directors and there are passionate ones who go above and beyond themselves
I think it's like Masahisa Fukase and his photography, it's all very intertwined, passion, obsession and dedication. Good point nevertheless, if I had to think of someone more obsessed than Kubrick I would say Charlie Chaplin.
I was at the Kubrick Archives yesterday in UAL and can attest to your observation @elgatodiaz! Passion leads to obsession and obsession can be honed into greatness. Stanley's body of work is proof of that.
If you're taking requests, I'd urge you to consider an episode of the Director's Chair with Michael Mann... in so many of his films, you could take a still from every shot and have an excellent photograph. So underrated (and he's still with us!)
Amazing video and I liked that in the end you highlighted the point of vision and following it is not the same as having control. I too have read some of the stories you mentioned and in the footage you included in the video, the behind the scenes of The Shining, there’s parts where you can see how rude Kubrick was to her. Not to mention the great Robert Duvall called the man “the actors enemy”. Appreciate your efforts as always Hopper!
He was not kind to many of his actors that is known. I would call it questionable methods, apparently in the shining he wanted Duvall to reach that peak of human despair and emotion so he made her repeat take after take.
I didn't know that actually, I watched documentaries in preparation but they were more on his life and workflow, I have to go back and rewatch that whole footage, didn't know Duvall said that, thanks for the info and for watching!
So I read. They did more than 100 takes of the scene where she holds a baseball bat going up the stairs while he is following her. She lost her hair during the movie due to stress and things of that nature.
As for a fifth, what about Spielberg, especially about his nostalgia, his autobiographical elements, etc? Was looking for someone with an ample body of work that inspires people, and I think he's another that got a lot of other people into wanting to create. Love this series. More dog clips. ;)
Hello Tatiana!! First...HOW CUTE IS YOUR PUP?!?!? Oh man....what a cutie...please, more of him/her in your videos and photos!! Next...very interesting on SK...I'm a big fan, I'm going to check out that book, and you reminded me that I still have not seen one of his movies..."Eyes Wide Shut"...that may be on my weekend list. Now that I have power back from Hurricane Francine (I live in New Orleans)...it's been a long week and maybe I'll do a Kubrick movie marathon... Oh...and your transition from Strangelove and image of Peter Sellers, and your outfit and glasses on the ad...VERY cool! As usual, thank you again, have a wonderful day...looking forward to seeing you again. CC
Hello, T. I haven't been around as much. Neither have I been shooting 35mm as much. I have been more focused on learning more about video and editing. I started an alcohol recovery channel. Kubrick is my favorite director and main influence on my photography. Hope you are well. I see your channel has grown a lot. Top 3? "Full Metal Jacket," "The Shining," "Dr. Strangelove."
Another good mini documentary done high about film director and photographer Stanley Kubrick. Although no one can really capture the forces or demons that drove him to tell a story, all one can do is try their best. Until the success of his earlier films; The Killing, Paths of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita and Dr. Strangelove, no one would've considered Stanley Kubrick as the guru of filmmaking. Although Stanley Kubrick was able to bring Arthur C. Clarke's novel 2001: A Space Odyssey to the big screen, some film critics thought it foretold of a dark apocalyptic future. While others saw the film as an optimistic vision of the future. Such as Forbidden Planet for example. Tried to watch A Clockwork Orange once, didn't care for it. For all his flaws, Stanley Kubrick was original with his filmmaking.
Great video. Re: emotion vs. meaning. Just came from the Mary Ellen Mark show at Arles. Where she towers over other photographers, for me, is the fact that her images are beautiful and perfectly composed, which draws me in and adds to the emotion, helping to deliver the meaning. Her mental institution images, if shot by a modern day photographer would more likely be flat and dispassionate, and though perhaps technically correct would fail to make me actually want to look at them therefore diminishing the meaning. Top three Kubrick: Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Strangelove, and Clockwork Orange.
I'd like a word with TH-cam. I was on yesterday. I watched at least 30 or so videos. It didn't show me yours. I'm subscribed, damn it! We even chat in comments. WTF, TH-cam. Stop Tatiana blocking me! Great great great post. Kubrick is such an inspiration, the more we dig in. Love your curiosity applied to Kubrick. I'll probably comment twice. I'm still early into the video.
Big Kubrick fan, although I don't love him like I do with other directors. That said, his lens for Barry Lyndon for low light sequences in candle light inspires me in my work. I like doing night photography using street lights as the light source. This is in particular with doing photography of Jack The Ripper related spots in London, as the streets of Whitechapel were pretty dark at the time. I currently use a 50mm F1.2 lens, which although isn't as fast as the lens Kubrick used for BL, I can't help but think of his vision for that film & I get excited for my work when I do low light photography. While also on the subject of low light photography, I do also have Lomography's Daguerreotype lens, & without an aperture plate inserted, it is essentially F0. This gets some really dreamy & hazy scenes, which look fantastic on B&W film I think. If you are going to do other directors, I'd suggest either Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini, John Ford, or Andrei Tarkovsky, just as a few examples.
Tarkovsky is on the list especially because he also took many Polaroids. John Ford is one of my personal favourites and Fellini I agree, a great master nonetheless!
Clockwork Orange brought with it my first introduction into electronic music. My father hated it. I loved it and still do. Music is a "detail" in film making that makes or breaks a scene. In all genres. Remember "Die Blaue Donau" in "A Space Odyssey", the intro of "Jurassic park" by John Williams or the Chemical Brothers in "Hannah". Photography may not lend it as much to this aspect of film but I do remember some of my best images were created/born while some tune was wandering through my brain...
Thanks for the in depth analysis into another intriguing filmmaker! Biggest takeaway from this video for myself is taking the initiative to learn and going the extra mile- it is indeed worth it and beneficial for anyone's creative pursuits. The films of Jean-Pierre Jeunet would be nice to see in a future episode!
Being obsessive gave him the energy of longterm concentration, yet being detached allowed him to let go of subjective pov for the transcending overview which I feel in his camera lens. Paradoxically he could film an inanimate object like a wardrobe & give it subjective *presence* of its own. I don;t know how he did that - - lighting? angle? distance? unflinching duration of shot? *Ken Russell* had that same capability to give an inanimate static object subjective presence on film that implies *sentience* . In other words Russell could make a wardrobe seem like the Monolith. Kubrick was by far the better director but Ken Russell did have that one trait in common that was not the least bit commonplace.
"Sticking to your vision" vs. the diminishing returns is a calculation Kubrick must have wrestled with, but it seems he mostly came down on the side of the former, despite it making him a world class PITA to work with. But how many people refused to work with him? Barry Lyndon's painterly images are like walking through a gallery but it seemed like he was doing the same with the audience that he was doing with the people working for him. I warmed up to it on my second viewing. If instead of a "last meal" on death row you got your choice of Kubrick movie, what would be your choice? 🤔 It could be your favorite but also might be the one best suited for the occasion.
Great point, I watched a couple of documentaries in preparation to this video and according to people that studied his life and work speaking on them it appears that Kubrick represented a double edge sword to many, meaning that he was extremely difficult to work with but at the same time for actors, if you worked with him it was like a career making moment. I know of a lot of actors that refused to work with him or worked with him once and never again but it is I guess a choice each person had to make. About your last meal, mine would be 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think it would be suited to an end ahah Yours?
All of Kubrick's films are great in one or many ways. Some I like for personal reasons. Some are objectively important milestones in the art. But I'll always exclude _The Shining_ which IMO is genre and _Spartacus_ which I love but Kubrick himself dismisses. Also _Eyes Wide Shut_ due to being somewhat weak and vague. It was a pet project but not indulgent. Probably, hss helped many couples, too. I've seen _2001_ over a dozen times in the cinema, including in Cinerama format, _Dr Strangelove_ 2 or 3 dozen times, and memorized the dialog. _Lolita_ is the quickest way I know of to warn foreigners about the U.S. _Paths of Glory_ makes me cry every time. _Clockwork Orange_ is the most engaging and brilliantly realized next to that other SF movie. _Barry Lyndon_ will in the future be known as Kubrick's magnum opus. (I omit _Full Metal Jacket_ because, worthy as it is, it's an experiment in docufiction, a term I just invented. Kubrick even shot a lot of the combat section of the film himself, hand-held.) _AI_ is a Kubrick film too. Thieven' Stealburg is no dummy and he tried his best to do it as Kubrick would, and even though he couldn't stay away from the camera cranes, carried it off magnificently! It's amazing!
There's also the factor of relevance. Every Kubrick film I can recall contains a sort of subliminal reference to human nature that stays with us after walking out of the cinema. I still get flashbacks of 2001, more than half a century after seeing it for the first time. He delves into aspects of humanhood that a lot of the time can be disquieting. He looks at them with a naive eye, a bit like a curious but at the same time frightened child. This form of revelation gives his work a prophetic quality and looking back at his films will always connect with our present reality. The supreme absurdity of Dr Strangelove or the primal violence of the ape in 2001 jump at us very time we turn on the news or listen to the vox-pop in a society dominated by deep inequality and prevailing barbarity.
Control is necessary in order to achieve the vision you have for the story you want to tell. The message is the residue of this process. Kubrick was the epitome of control.
This conversation contrasting control and enunciation of vision reminds me of the infamy of Guy Bourdin. Are you familiar with his fashion photography? It's controversial. I think it's likely his photographs wouldn't have quite had the same feeling were it not his rigid control he opressed his models with. These days, we know a bit more about neurodivergent individuals and I can't help but see him as exhibiting classic signs of high functioning autism. Surely working with him would have been very difficult, but I love his work nonetheless.
I’m not familiar actually. But I will double check. I’m currently working on a video about the most hated photographer funny enough, his name didn’t come across.
Emotionally, Kubrick leaves me cold - but conceptionally, he is unsurpassed. His women were at best incidental. Actually, his most engaging film, on an emotional level, was Spartacus - but of course that was as much Burt Lancaster’s enterprise.
Really? I mean I'd have to go back and perhaps rewatch a few of his movies to better answer that but I suppose in terms of making you engage emotionally majority of them all do, at least for me, each to their own of course, I found some scenes extremely engaging particularly in the shining or the ending of 2001. I suppose it really depends in terms of women, I think his Lolita presents very nuanced women with some depth (let's not forget it was 60s so the portrayal of women was different). The Killing also have some strong female characters, but I do recognise there is more emphasis on the men and women come as vehicle for the man's needs, wants, missions etc.
@@TatianaHopper I’ve not seen The Killing. Must check it out. 2001 was an afternoon TV matinee I stumbled over as a kid, knowing nothing of it. You can imagine the effect it had on me!
📌What's your top 3 Kubrick movies?
Mine would be 2001, Barry Lyndon, Eyes Wide Shut.
Ironically given my comment below, it will be The Shining, Clockwork Orange and 2001: A Space Odyssey… curious why is Eyes Wide Shut in your top 3?
My top 3 is similar to yours only The Shining is my second place and Barry Lyndon third place, we can't ignore the whole technology that went behind the craft of each scene, especially the famous nasa lens fitted on the 35mm camera. I wish he had directed Napoleon, it would've have been a massive endeavour but a visual feast nonetheless!
@@Nightmvoeskn5zg I agree, I have been reading about Napoleon, it's definitely one of those movies that should've been made, have you read about the Aryan papers? Another one on that list too.
@@mid90s75 I think it was the layers psychologically speaking, the amount of detail and the archetypes etc... I love psychological type of movies and that one I remember even though I watched it ages ago it stayed with me.
Full Metal Jacket easily my favourite. Clockwork and 2001 tie for 2nd and third.
Every time I listen to analyses like this, I can't help but think that obsession is an important skill to cultivate on the path to greatness
More than obsessions, I think it's the passion and drive to make the best film out there for the people.
There are obsessive directors and there are passionate ones who go above and beyond themselves
I think it's like Masahisa Fukase and his photography, it's all very intertwined, passion, obsession and dedication. Good point nevertheless, if I had to think of someone more obsessed than Kubrick I would say Charlie Chaplin.
I was at the Kubrick Archives yesterday in UAL and can attest to your observation @elgatodiaz! Passion leads to obsession and obsession can be honed into greatness. Stanley's body of work is proof of that.
..or madness
If you're taking requests, I'd urge you to consider an episode of the Director's Chair with Michael Mann... in so many of his films, you could take a still from every shot and have an excellent photograph. So underrated (and he's still with us!)
Amazing video and I liked that in the end you highlighted the point of vision and following it is not the same as having control. I too have read some of the stories you mentioned and in the footage you included in the video, the behind the scenes of The Shining, there’s parts where you can see how rude Kubrick was to her. Not to mention the great Robert Duvall called the man “the actors enemy”. Appreciate your efforts as always Hopper!
He was not kind to many of his actors that is known. I would call it questionable methods, apparently in the shining he wanted Duvall to reach that peak of human despair and emotion so he made her repeat take after take.
I didn't know that actually, I watched documentaries in preparation but they were more on his life and workflow, I have to go back and rewatch that whole footage, didn't know Duvall said that, thanks for the info and for watching!
So I read. They did more than 100 takes of the scene where she holds a baseball bat going up the stairs while he is following her. She lost her hair during the movie due to stress and things of that nature.
@@TatianaHopper no problem!
@@TatianaHopper Yes also read that. Tainted my image of the movie.
Wow ! As soon as I saw that Tatiana Hopper was involved in this video, I knew that I had to listen to it.
RS. Canada
As for a fifth, what about Spielberg, especially about his nostalgia, his autobiographical elements, etc? Was looking for someone with an ample body of work that inspires people, and I think he's another that got a lot of other people into wanting to create.
Love this series. More dog clips. ;)
Hello Tatiana!!
First...HOW CUTE IS YOUR PUP?!?!? Oh man....what a cutie...please, more of him/her in your videos and photos!!
Next...very interesting on SK...I'm a big fan, I'm going to check out that book, and you reminded me that I still have not seen one of his movies..."Eyes Wide Shut"...that may be on my weekend list.
Now that I have power back from Hurricane Francine (I live in New Orleans)...it's been a long week and maybe I'll do a Kubrick movie marathon...
Oh...and your transition from Strangelove and image of Peter Sellers, and your outfit and glasses on the ad...VERY cool!
As usual, thank you again, have a wonderful day...looking forward to seeing you again.
CC
Love this! Stanley Kubrick is probably one of the most interesting directors of all time.
Agreed! Thanks for watching Mark!
Hello, T. I haven't been around as much. Neither have I been shooting 35mm as much. I have been more focused on learning more about video and editing. I started an alcohol recovery channel. Kubrick is my favorite director and main influence on my photography. Hope you are well. I see your channel has grown a lot. Top 3? "Full Metal Jacket," "The Shining," "Dr. Strangelove."
Visually, my favorite films have been " Daughters of the Dust", "Diva", and the documentary "Baraka." And anything shot by Orson Wells, of course.
Awesome Peter Sellers impression for the ad! Great video!!!
Thank you! Can’t match his performance whatsoever but it’s a little homage ahah
Another good mini documentary done high about film director and photographer Stanley Kubrick. Although no one can really capture the forces or demons that drove him to tell a story, all one can do is try their best. Until the success of his earlier films; The Killing, Paths of Glory, Spartacus, Lolita and Dr. Strangelove, no one would've considered Stanley Kubrick as the guru of filmmaking. Although Stanley Kubrick was able to bring Arthur C. Clarke's novel 2001: A Space Odyssey to the big screen, some film critics thought it foretold of a dark apocalyptic future. While others saw the film as an optimistic vision of the future. Such as Forbidden Planet for example. Tried to watch A Clockwork Orange once, didn't care for it. For all his flaws, Stanley Kubrick was original with his filmmaking.
Absolutely outstanding as ever! What a treat for the eyes !! 😍😍
Thank you so much! I appreciate the support!
Great video. Re: emotion vs. meaning. Just came from the Mary Ellen Mark show at Arles. Where she towers over other photographers, for me, is the fact that her images are beautiful and perfectly composed, which draws me in and adds to the emotion, helping to deliver the meaning. Her mental institution images, if shot by a modern day photographer would more likely be flat and dispassionate, and though perhaps technically correct would fail to make me actually want to look at them therefore diminishing the meaning. Top three Kubrick: Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Strangelove, and Clockwork Orange.
I'd like a word with TH-cam. I was on yesterday. I watched at least 30 or so videos. It didn't show me yours. I'm subscribed, damn it! We even chat in comments. WTF, TH-cam. Stop Tatiana blocking me!
Great great great post. Kubrick is such an inspiration, the more we dig in. Love your curiosity applied to Kubrick. I'll probably comment twice. I'm still early into the video.
Big Kubrick fan, although I don't love him like I do with other directors. That said, his lens for Barry Lyndon for low light sequences in candle light inspires me in my work. I like doing night photography using street lights as the light source. This is in particular with doing photography of Jack The Ripper related spots in London, as the streets of Whitechapel were pretty dark at the time. I currently use a 50mm F1.2 lens, which although isn't as fast as the lens Kubrick used for BL, I can't help but think of his vision for that film & I get excited for my work when I do low light photography.
While also on the subject of low light photography, I do also have Lomography's Daguerreotype lens, & without an aperture plate inserted, it is essentially F0. This gets some really dreamy & hazy scenes, which look fantastic on B&W film I think.
If you are going to do other directors, I'd suggest either Ingmar Bergman, Federico Fellini, John Ford, or Andrei Tarkovsky, just as a few examples.
Tarkovsky is on the list especially because he also took many Polaroids. John Ford is one of my personal favourites and Fellini I agree, a great master nonetheless!
Clockwork Orange brought with it my first introduction into electronic music.
My father hated it. I loved it and still do.
Music is a "detail" in film making that makes or breaks a scene.
In all genres.
Remember "Die Blaue Donau" in "A Space Odyssey", the intro of "Jurassic park" by John Williams or the Chemical Brothers in "Hannah".
Photography may not lend it as much to this aspect of film but I do remember some of my best images were created/born while some tune was wandering through my brain...
Thanks for the in depth analysis into another intriguing filmmaker! Biggest takeaway from this video for myself is taking the initiative to learn and going the extra mile- it is indeed worth it and beneficial for anyone's creative pursuits. The films of Jean-Pierre Jeunet would be nice to see in a future episode!
Thank you Sebastian!
Great video. Thank you... what book is it that is being looked at in the video with all the photos?
Thanks for this video! May I suggest Orson Welles for a future episode.
Being obsessive gave him the energy of longterm concentration, yet being detached allowed him to let go of subjective pov for the transcending overview which I feel in his camera lens. Paradoxically he could film an inanimate object like a wardrobe & give it subjective *presence* of its own. I don;t know how he did that - - lighting? angle? distance? unflinching duration of shot?
*Ken Russell* had that same capability to give an inanimate static object subjective presence on film that implies *sentience* . In other words Russell could make a wardrobe seem like the Monolith.
Kubrick was by far the better director but Ken Russell did have that one trait in common that was not the least bit commonplace.
"Sticking to your vision" vs. the diminishing returns is a calculation Kubrick must have wrestled with, but it seems he mostly came down on the side of the former, despite it making him a world class PITA to work with. But how many people refused to work with him? Barry Lyndon's painterly images are like walking through a gallery but it seemed like he was doing the same with the audience that he was doing with the people working for him. I warmed up to it on my second viewing.
If instead of a "last meal" on death row you got your choice of Kubrick movie, what would be your choice? 🤔 It could be your favorite but also might be the one best suited for the occasion.
Great point, I watched a couple of documentaries in preparation to this video and according to people that studied his life and work speaking on them it appears that Kubrick represented a double edge sword to many, meaning that he was extremely difficult to work with but at the same time for actors, if you worked with him it was like a career making moment. I know of a lot of actors that refused to work with him or worked with him once and never again but it is I guess a choice each person had to make.
About your last meal, mine would be 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think it would be suited to an end ahah Yours?
Thank you! I love Kubrick cinematography since when I was 12 and saw 2001. Next chapter: Werner Herzog. Regards, Tatiana.
Thank you Carlos, Herzog is indeed a good option!
All of Kubrick's films are great in one or many ways. Some I like for personal reasons. Some are objectively important milestones in the art.
But I'll always exclude _The Shining_ which IMO is genre and _Spartacus_ which I love but Kubrick himself dismisses. Also _Eyes Wide Shut_ due to being somewhat weak and vague. It was a pet project but not indulgent. Probably, hss helped many couples, too.
I've seen _2001_ over a dozen times in the cinema, including in Cinerama format, _Dr Strangelove_ 2 or 3 dozen times, and memorized the dialog. _Lolita_ is the quickest way I know of to warn foreigners about the U.S. _Paths of Glory_ makes me cry every time. _Clockwork Orange_ is the most engaging and brilliantly realized next to that other SF movie. _Barry Lyndon_ will in the future be known as Kubrick's magnum opus.
(I omit _Full Metal Jacket_ because, worthy as it is, it's an experiment in docufiction, a term I just invented. Kubrick even shot a lot of the combat section of the film himself, hand-held.)
_AI_ is a Kubrick film too. Thieven' Stealburg is no dummy and he tried his best to do it as Kubrick would, and even though he couldn't stay away from the camera cranes, carried it off magnificently! It's amazing!
This was a great watch, thank you!
One of my favorite directors...a photographers director
Awesome video. Love your channel.
There's also the factor of relevance. Every Kubrick film I can recall contains a sort of subliminal reference to human nature that stays with us after walking out of the cinema. I still get flashbacks of 2001, more than half a century after seeing it for the first time. He delves into aspects of humanhood that a lot of the time can be disquieting. He looks at them with a naive eye, a bit like a curious but at the same time frightened child. This form of revelation gives his work a prophetic quality and looking back at his films will always connect with our present reality. The supreme absurdity of Dr Strangelove or the primal violence of the ape in 2001 jump at us very time we turn on the news or listen to the vox-pop in a society dominated by deep inequality and prevailing barbarity.
Dr. Strangelove sponsored segment, entertaining ahah! Great episode and a good addition to your series.
ahah thank you!
I would LOVE Paul Thomas Anderson to be next.
Another great one
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I was only dimly aware that Kubrik was a great photographer, too. Gotta check out his book.
Check it out, it’s worth it, chronicles the years of his assignments for Look magazine really well!
@@TatianaHopper I just ordered it.
love your videos! ❤ keep going ✨
Thank you! 🤍
I wish you would explore David Cronemberg...Congrats for your channel.
I haven’t actually thought of his movies or watched anything in a long time, thank you for the reminder!
Control is necessary in order to achieve the vision you have for the story you want to tell. The message is the residue of this process. Kubrick was the epitome of control.
Great!
Another excellent video!
Thank you so much!
Thanks for you work, i love it to much
Federico Fellini
speilberg or tim burton
This conversation contrasting control and enunciation of vision reminds me of the infamy of Guy Bourdin. Are you familiar with his fashion photography? It's controversial. I think it's likely his photographs wouldn't have quite had the same feeling were it not his rigid control he opressed his models with. These days, we know a bit more about neurodivergent individuals and I can't help but see him as exhibiting classic signs of high functioning autism. Surely working with him would have been very difficult, but I love his work nonetheless.
I’m not familiar actually. But I will double check. I’m currently working on a video about the most hated photographer funny enough, his name didn’t come across.
his advice also is being born in wealthy family with their own photo lab lmao
That that that that man is lowercase it’s me
My eye like you
O maybe l am not so hight ,
I want learn from you 『我不想浪費我的生命啊！』。
可以接受我的採訪嗎？
Emotionally, Kubrick leaves me cold - but conceptionally, he is unsurpassed. His women were at best incidental. Actually, his most engaging film, on an emotional level, was Spartacus - but of course that was as much Burt Lancaster’s enterprise.
Really? I mean I'd have to go back and perhaps rewatch a few of his movies to better answer that but I suppose in terms of making you engage emotionally majority of them all do, at least for me, each to their own of course, I found some scenes extremely engaging particularly in the shining or the ending of 2001. I suppose it really depends in terms of women, I think his Lolita presents very nuanced women with some depth (let's not forget it was 60s so the portrayal of women was different). The Killing also have some strong female characters, but I do recognise there is more emphasis on the men and women come as vehicle for the man's needs, wants, missions etc.
@@TatianaHopper I’ve not seen The Killing. Must check it out. 2001 was an afternoon TV matinee I stumbled over as a kid, knowing nothing of it. You can imagine the effect it had on me!
You should rewatch it as an adult now and see what you think, that happened to me before with certain movies. The killing is an oldie but goodie! 🤝🏻