Just for information: Wine just introduced support for native Wayland. So games running through wine/proton will soon run without Xwayland, getting rid of that overhead and probably improving performance and stability in general.
Thank you! This is perfect. High enough level that a lay person can understand (most of it) but with enough depth so I can understand the what/why. Just the right amount of time as well. Not 90 minutes, and not 5 minutes. Perfect sweet spot!
So many good improvements. The multi-task window, the floating panel, and calendar are very helpful. Hope wayland can do better. On my mx linux in KDE 5.27 with wayland, there is always a blinking edge between tiled windows using KDE's default tiling manager.
I don't have this issue with Fedora 39 🤔. I used to have similar issues on Kubuntu. Since switching it's been much more stable, less flickering and a lot less crashes with web browsers. Wonder if it's a GPU driver difference.
Subjective opinions aside, I do appreciate that the team os taking time to include visual and functional improvements while removing a good deal of old and unnecessary code and adopting a new framework as well. I'm not likely to become a convert based on what you've shown here but I can still appreciate the effort.
Another great presentation. A good heads up,on what to expect.Can't wait to update onto my MX Linux machine.Hope Wayland doesn't give me too much headaches, on my 1050ti.
Se hai problemi Xorg è ancora lì. Wayland sarà di default su Plasma, ma non è detto che quella sarà l'impostazione predefinita della tua distro. Detto questo, io è un anno che uso regolarmente Plasma su wayland senza problemi.
Plasma 6 out-of-the-box looks better than Zorin OS's customized Gnome.. They should consider adding Plasma 6 in future... or... switch the xfce edition for Plasma 6.
GPU switching should be included with KDE, because right now the 3'rd party add-ons like EnvyControl are not maintained enough to not be broken when you replace Nouveau driver with Proprietary nvidia driver. When broken GPU switcher gives you 2 hour battery out of 14 hour, then it looks weak.
This doesn't rely on DE. There could be a button in our automated UI settings, but you'll need a third-party tool to make the switch. Alternatively, there's a rather lengthy command from NVIDIA, and the process of switching GPUs isn't standardized; each laptop may handle it differently. So, well, it's an issue. It must be addressed at the distribution level.
Oh yes!! (I tend to recommend Kubuntu with its lightly customised Plasma environment over regular Ubuntu with its heavily modified GNOME environment, but probably because I prefer Plasma over GNOME Shell)
@@KrypteiaXi I'm not sure, as both are still Ubuntu underneath, and you'd be comparing the reliability of heavily modified GNOME (Ubuntu) with moderately modified Plasma (Kubuntu). I'm just biased more towards KDE software than GNOME software based on my own personal experience and preference, as I find Plasma to be more customisable than GNOME.
Inconsistently and moving GUI elements may be nice to look at, but they're not great for usability. Sometimes the "start" button will be in the bottom left corner, sometimes there's a non-clickable margin there instead.
This might apply if you're blind. But in that case you probably have some other adaptive mode turned on. If you're not blind just look at where the button is and click it.
I'm just a Windows gamer who bought a Steam Deck not long ago. With the research I've done so far to try to understand how to use the Deck's desktop mode, I've noticed that so many Linux users insist on using the terminal for as many things as possible, which makes me wonder what the point is of having such a nice gui if most users don't even want to use it 😆
KDE apps are Qt based, Vue or React are web applications, please we don't need the electron shit, thats a resource hog, web applications are for browsers not for desktop.
I will change that double click behavior back to single click. i got used to it in multiple exclisive linux usage :-) . it's just good, that it stays cinfigurable. I am looking forwoard to Plasma 6, i hope it will be as stable as 5 is now or even better? maybe. currently i am using plasma 5 in wayland mode. (Radeon user)
Will there be a way to stay on the current version when Plasma 6 gets rolled out fully? I just started enjoying Plasma, but the new floating bar and the windows-like task switcher are terrible in my opinion. If I wanted an OS that looks like Windows, I'd stay on debloated windows! Also I'm expecting a lot of issues to appear with the update on my weird intel/nvidia hybrid graphics that take hours to set up on a fresh install.
I dont understand the specific of last point? yeah its a support for different regional cultural calendar support there are chinese and various other aswell , not only "islamic"
this interface update sux. for example move mouse to left bottom corner and click. no menu shown? now you must aim cursor on menu button every time. app switcher and other icons also needs cursor aiming. you can adjust it, but its not default, it gets your priceless time to UI adjusting.
Maybe they should focus on actually mirroring the panel to external monitors instead of creating and managing 2 separate ones, or one screen going white with NVIDIA hybrid graphics on, or being able to actually suspend and not have to disable suspend functions with NVIDIA hardware, 🤷
Thank you for the video. I do think you need to carefule with your language though. There is a big difference between a 'change' and an 'upgrade'. You like the floating taskbar, that 's fine. For you it is a nice U.I. change. Also pushing an unfinished window manager as an 'upgrade'. is not good. It's like saying moving from Win98se to Win ME is an upgrade when ME was a disaster. (New, non-existant drivers required. ) If you are too young for that it's like saying moving from XP to Vista is an upgrade. - which to their shame all the magazines did. . . Hey it's new from M$ so it's got to be good. . . right?
Updates need to be moved to be single app, I hate update to be inside the discovery. Uff single click remove in default uuu, good that we can change that settings to single click again.
The only reason I don't switch to Plasma is due to the interface looking just... off to me. I cannot place my finger on anything but it just looks weirdly outdated and modern at the same time.
KDE allows for an insane amount of customization to the user interface. None of it is even difficult, you can watch a TH-cam video shorter than this one and follow along with it and have a desktop that looks absolutely nothing like the default
You really want to go a step back in time by using double-click to open files and folders? My goodness. Are there really people who like that old fashion way? From when I was using Windows 3.1 in the 80's I have selected single-click and I never used anything else. One click is enough to open a file, or start a program. You don't need to convulsively click two times within a certain time frame to do what can be done with 1 click.
Having played with both many, many times over the last 30 years: Edge panel > Floating panel every time. NGL I might switch off KDE just for that depending on how badly it's implemented - ime you can't make a floating panel "good" because the best floating panel is just an edge panel with extra wasted pixels. If you don't make it auto hide then it's just an edge panel that uses more space - because you can't have a window behind it and make use of the space it covers. If you do make it auto hide then again, it's just an edge panel that takes more space when you trigger it. Overall, it's just strictly worse than an egde panel from a UX perspective, just so you can have 2-4 transparent pixels between the panel and the display's edge that you paid for but cannot use. Iunno man, we should leave throwing expensive pixels into the trash to apple users imo. 😂
look at the bright side... it's not like GNOME, in wich you are forced to have it on top, without taskbar, more than 70% of unused, wasted space through its length... KDE is changing the default settings but, unlike GNOME, doesn't arbitrarily remove features just because it wants to force its users to use it the way the developers want.
Can I disable all of the new visual and aesthetic changes? I hate fashion, I want a technically up-to-date experience but one that is visually as conservative as possible. Already I have KDE 5 set up to emulate the look and feel of the Windows XP Classic desktop and I don't want my setup to change, ever, except for under-the-hood things like Wayland support.
@@rameynoodles152XFCE useless...and lightweight KDE...Sorry man, I own Intel 3rd gen 3770, running internal GPU. Also, my RPIs will die when started with KDE. Do you know what is CPU/threads and threads in programmin, or just play games, change wallpapers ?
It is not the "vee" editor. It is pronounced vee eye, like saying the two letters separately. Linux-based operating systems are not the only OSes capable of running KDE. FreeBsd, Illumos, OpenBSF, GhostBSD, all can run KDE.
I mean, yeah, but KDE and GNOME provide things that Xfce cannot. Anyway, who doesn't have 8 GB of ram these days? I have ran KDE Plasma on 4 GB without any fuzz.
Yeah, and in 1998 or 2001, that mattered. Nowadays, RAM is so cheap, most PCs have more than enough. I don't get the fixation in the Linux world to still talk about how much memory the shell uses, like it's 20 years ago. Xfce? Really?
It looks dumb to me. No one uses KDE because they want floating panels. I'm all for making it look better, but all the gaps between the menus are annoying.
I quite like it, it's not trying to look like gnome but it's taking a way better approach to modernization than windows 11 it's almost unnoticeable and when maximizing windows it stops floating, plus you can always disable it.
@@firstNamelastName-ho6lv Doest matter , they just improving its look, if u dont like u can change ! So there is no point to say dumb to it . Go & change , easy . Its not dumb 🚫
It is kinda hard to understand what you are saying. For example, you didn't say "improvements", you said "improoments". Version -> Wershion Thoroughly -> Thorowly I assume English is not your native language, and it may be hard to have a proper English accent. Your weird accent is because you are using mouth movements from your native language to speak English. Yes, mouth movement matters, I'd suggest you look at your mouth in front of a mirror, and try to replicate how an American or British person speaks. Make sure to exaggerate your mouth movements, makes it easier to get used to. (Or well, if you didn't learn a proper accent on purpose, then keep doing what you have been doing! I am not judging you)
There's nothing wrong with their accent and they were clear enough to understand the gist of what they're saying. They speak better than some of the Americans; ever hear how a Boston-native person speak? There is no proper or single English accent, that's bullshit. Even native Americans have various accents all over the country.
Just for information: Wine just introduced support for native Wayland. So games running through wine/proton will soon run without Xwayland, getting rid of that overhead and probably improving performance and stability in general.
Wow that's amazing
Has it made to proton yet?
@@aab-qn4yp I don't know for sure, but I don't think so
no they havn't
They made it very clear it is still in experminatal and no where near complete.
Do not try it
@@richterman3962 thanks for clearing things up
Thank you! This is perfect. High enough level that a lay person can understand (most of it) but with enough depth so I can understand the what/why. Just the right amount of time as well. Not 90 minutes, and not 5 minutes. Perfect sweet spot!
So many good improvements. The multi-task window, the floating panel, and calendar are very helpful. Hope wayland can do better. On my mx linux in KDE 5.27 with wayland, there is always a blinking edge between tiled windows using KDE's default tiling manager.
I don't have this issue with Fedora 39 🤔. I used to have similar issues on Kubuntu. Since switching it's been much more stable, less flickering and a lot less crashes with web browsers. Wonder if it's a GPU driver difference.
KDE has floating panel since 5.25.
You can change the window switcher from settings in KDE 5.
so beautiful, so elegant . just looking like a wow !
Thank you, KDE Team! I'm gonna need that color filter 😂
Subjective opinions aside, I do appreciate that the team os taking time to include visual and functional improvements while removing a good deal of old and unnecessary code and adopting a new framework as well. I'm not likely to become a convert based on what you've shown here but I can still appreciate the effort.
The Floating Panel was already in Plasma 5,its not a new feature.
Just fyi, the multi-task window can be customised to appear in the middle even in Plasma 5
Another great presentation. A good heads up,on what to expect.Can't wait to update onto my MX Linux machine.Hope Wayland doesn't give me too much headaches, on my 1050ti.
Mx is based on debian. Plasma will not update on it until 2026
Se hai problemi Xorg è ancora lì. Wayland sarà di default su Plasma, ma non è detto che quella sarà l'impostazione predefinita della tua distro. Detto questo, io è un anno che uso regolarmente Plasma su wayland senza problemi.
Wayland works very well now with NVIDIA cards, atleast new ones.
Plasma 6 out-of-the-box looks better than Zorin OS's customized Gnome.. They should consider adding Plasma 6 in future... or... switch the xfce edition for Plasma 6.
Only if you are blind 😂
"Switch the xfce edition for plasma 6"
The name is not gonna zorin os lite anymore lmao
@@skhifekazuki KDE Plasma is actually about the same resource usage as XFCE, and sometimes, it's actually lighter.
The best thing about Plasma 6 is seeing Linux Tex drop a vid on Plasma 6! Another great overview by the GOAT!
Honoured bro. Thank you🤟
will the taskbar icons get a refresh? like the sound / internet / clipboard icon etc.
GPU switching should be included with KDE, because right now the 3'rd party add-ons like EnvyControl are not maintained enough to not be broken when you replace Nouveau driver with Proprietary nvidia driver. When broken GPU switcher gives you 2 hour battery out of 14 hour, then it looks weak.
This doesn't rely on DE. There could be a button in our automated UI settings, but you'll need a third-party tool to make the switch. Alternatively, there's a rather lengthy command from NVIDIA, and the process of switching GPUs isn't standardized; each laptop may handle it differently. So, well, it's an issue. It must be addressed at the distribution level.
use optimus-manager instead envycontrol
Updating from Plasma 5 to Plasma 6 lost all of my custom menus (ServiceMenus) and I cannot add any no more.
Someone has finally done some hard work!!!! Thank you:)
Yet another great video! I'm eager for Kubuntu to have KDE Please 6!
Oh yes!!
(I tend to recommend Kubuntu with its lightly customised Plasma environment over regular Ubuntu with its heavily modified GNOME environment, but probably because I prefer Plasma over GNOME Shell)
@@kbhasi the thing is, is Kubuntu as reliable for a workstation as Ubuntu?
@@KrypteiaXi
I'm not sure, as both are still Ubuntu underneath, and you'd be comparing the reliability of heavily modified GNOME (Ubuntu) with moderately modified Plasma (Kubuntu).
I'm just biased more towards KDE software than GNOME software based on my own personal experience and preference, as I find Plasma to be more customisable than GNOME.
@@kbhasi is it customizable enough to be able to become a gnome clone? i like the gnome look but not the Ubuntu bloatware.
@@KrypteiaXi
I'm not sure as I don't do that myself, but I think some other TH-cam users have did and posted video tutorials or showcases.
the floating panel already exist in kde 5.25
Inconsistently and moving GUI elements may be nice to look at, but they're not great for usability. Sometimes the "start" button will be in the bottom left corner, sometimes there's a non-clickable margin there instead.
This might apply if you're blind. But in that case you probably have some other adaptive mode turned on. If you're not blind just look at where the button is and click it.
Not to bash on the improvements here, but a lot of the floating panel animations look a little laggy to me. Maybe it’s just the TH-cam video.
i apreciate you from Mozambique.
do you use linux to edit your videos?
what app?
(: _ :)
nice review ! thanks
KDE is beautiful and elegant😍😍😍
Looks like nothing to fancy changed, so if you hear me, Pacman: feel free to roll the packages out 🙂
Oxygen application theme and window decoration still havent made their way to Plasma 6?😢
Are there any kde distros where you can avoid the flatpack and snap crap? I really detest them.
I'm just a Windows gamer who bought a Steam Deck not long ago. With the research I've done so far to try to understand how to use the Deck's desktop mode, I've noticed that so many Linux users insist on using the terminal for as many things as possible, which makes me wonder what the point is of having such a nice gui if most users don't even want to use it 😆
realy fast plasma 6 is perfect but iwait for stable version nice video man thnaks.
I would like to ask about Wacom tablets over plasma 6...
X11 is not easy to kill. Wayland is still super buggy. I dont use flatpak unless it is the last resort .
"it will never be read if..,, is in itself an affirmation that it's not ready." 😏
Can I use React or Vue to build KDE apps?
KDE apps are Qt based, Vue or React are web applications, please we don't need the electron shit, thats a resource hog, web applications are for browsers not for desktop.
@@lzcoder Is React Native Electron app?
@@jecajSudbine is react Native, native apps?
@@jecajSudbineAs far as i know Electron brings react apps to desktop through Chromium, running as if its a browser open which does take more ram.
@@jecajSudbine no react native is not electron and doesn't use a web view
Can't wait for it to be released, but first thing I disable is floating panel, because I hate it, and double click back to single click.
I hate the floating panel too!
You like single click to open??? Crazy.
@@rameynoodles152 I'm not the only one😉
is kde6 coming to next kubuntu LTS?
No, it didn't make the cutoff. It'll have to wait until the next release.
Thank you 🎉 Excellent video.
I will change that double click behavior back to single click. i got used to it in multiple exclisive linux usage :-) . it's just good, that it stays cinfigurable.
I am looking forwoard to Plasma 6, i hope it will be as stable as 5 is now or even better? maybe.
currently i am using plasma 5 in wayland mode. (Radeon user)
So beautiful!
People, please donate or report bugs to their developers!
KDE really deserves it!
Please make a video on mabook they got amazing polish distro
Will there be a way to stay on the current version when Plasma 6 gets rolled out fully? I just started enjoying Plasma, but the new floating bar and the windows-like task switcher are terrible in my opinion. If I wanted an OS that looks like Windows, I'd stay on debloated windows!
Also I'm expecting a lot of issues to appear with the update on my weird intel/nvidia hybrid graphics that take hours to set up on a fresh install.
I was hoping for me UI/UX improvements or even new theme, seems like they are focusing more on stability and other QoL fixes
Looks awesome!
man Plasma 6 is looking really nice
I dont understand the specific of last point? yeah its a support for different regional cultural calendar support there are chinese and various other aswell , not only "islamic"
I like to try and im just beginner.. which distro should i download to test kde 6 ? Please advice
Vanilla Arch! But start with EndeavourOS to get familiar with Arch!
My problem with Plasma is -- it lacks density visually. Too flat. Customization is cool though.
this interface update sux. for example move mouse to left bottom corner and click. no menu shown? now you must aim cursor on menu button every time. app switcher and other icons also needs cursor aiming. you can adjust it, but its not default, it gets your priceless time to UI adjusting.
This really tempts me to switch to KDE and stop using Windows, if not now most probably if Windows 10 becomes unsecure.
Maybe they should focus on actually mirroring the panel to external monitors instead of creating and managing 2 separate ones, or one screen going white with NVIDIA hybrid graphics on, or being able to actually suspend and not have to disable suspend functions with NVIDIA hardware, 🤷
Thank you for the video. I do think you need to carefule with your language though. There is a big difference between a 'change' and an 'upgrade'. You like the floating taskbar, that 's fine. For you it is a nice U.I. change. Also pushing an unfinished window manager as an 'upgrade'. is not good. It's like saying moving from Win98se to Win ME is an upgrade when ME was a disaster. (New, non-existant drivers required. ) If you are too young for that it's like saying moving from XP to Vista is an upgrade. - which to their shame all the magazines did. . . Hey it's new from M$ so it's got to be good. . . right?
Plasma 6 is in beta though, i wouldn't recommend installing it on a production machine
Updates need to be moved to be single app, I hate update to be inside the discovery. Uff single click remove in default uuu, good that we can change that settings to single click again.
you can always just run the update command...
Sigh, the floating panel has been around for a while and is not new to Plasma 6...
It doesn't have the same behavior in 6.
on my way to download kde plasma 6
Lol single click has always been the way on Unix, aka it's a very old standard haha.
It still desperately needs to get a simplified UI design. Looks the same "unfinished" laggy UI for decades.
Tip: The vi editor is pronouced "vee eye", not just "vee".
backbox Linux new rele... Please review
Windows 12 says. Thank YOU.
Better than...*
The only reason I don't switch to Plasma is due to the interface looking just... off to me. I cannot place my finger on anything but it just looks weirdly outdated and modern at the same time.
KDE allows for an insane amount of customization to the user interface. None of it is even difficult, you can watch a TH-cam video shorter than this one and follow along with it and have a desktop that looks absolutely nothing like the default
You really want to go a step back in time by using double-click to open files and folders? My goodness. Are there really people who like that old fashion way? From when I was using Windows 3.1 in the 80's I have selected single-click and I never used anything else. One click is enough to open a file, or start a program. You don't need to convulsively click two times within a certain time frame to do what can be done with 1 click.
Plasma+Wayland=Bagsma
Having played with both many, many times over the last 30 years: Edge panel > Floating panel every time.
NGL I might switch off KDE just for that depending on how badly it's implemented - ime you can't make a floating panel "good" because the best floating panel is just an edge panel with extra wasted pixels.
If you don't make it auto hide then it's just an edge panel that uses more space - because you can't have a window behind it and make use of the space it covers.
If you do make it auto hide then again, it's just an edge panel that takes more space when you trigger it.
Overall, it's just strictly worse than an egde panel from a UX perspective, just so you can have 2-4 transparent pixels between the panel and the display's edge that you paid for but cannot use.
Iunno man, we should leave throwing expensive pixels into the trash to apple users imo. 😂
You can toggle it back to be an edge panel fortunately
look at the bright side... it's not like GNOME, in wich you are forced to have it on top, without taskbar, more than 70% of unused, wasted space through its length... KDE is changing the default settings but, unlike GNOME, doesn't arbitrarily remove features just because it wants to force its users to use it the way the developers want.
KDE = KREAT + KOOD + KOOL!
I wish the panel wouldn't change, and just stay static when working in windows, it is very jarring.
You can make it static by clicking one button.
@@MauiWauiPineappleExpress it no longer floats when you do that though, it should just stay floating regardless of the window.
@@cgwworldministries83 No that takes up to much space and very distracting if you have a colorful wallpaper.
@@MauiWauiPineappleExpress I don't care, I would prefer the ability to turn off the annoying animation and let me have a static floating panel.
@@cgwworldministries83 Nothing is perfect! Have fun>
Can I disable all of the new visual and aesthetic changes? I hate fashion, I want a technically up-to-date experience but one that is visually as conservative as possible. Already I have KDE 5 set up to emulate the look and feel of the Windows XP Classic desktop and I don't want my setup to change, ever, except for under-the-hood things like Wayland support.
They learned from Gnome
Imagine how much CO2 is created by using KDE/GNOME compared to a lightweight CO2 friendly xfce ;)
KDE is just as lightweight as XFCE... sometimes even more so. XFCE is useless these days.
@@rameynoodles152XFCE useless...and lightweight KDE...Sorry man, I own Intel 3rd gen 3770, running internal GPU. Also, my RPIs will die when started with KDE. Do you know what is CPU/threads and threads in programmin, or just play games, change wallpapers ?
Cool
Hope You enjoyed the vid :)
It is not the "vee" editor. It is pronounced vee eye, like saying the two letters separately.
Linux-based operating systems are not the only OSes capable of running KDE. FreeBsd, Illumos, OpenBSF, GhostBSD, all can run KDE.
due to crazy strange bug in kde, i switched to gnome and hyprland, no go back 😊
The flicker in the beginning is 🤮
kde 4's oxygen theme was much better than the current one which is horrible and only looks like Windows 11
Oxygen is bad, remove it from your system!
Soooo... not much then, huh?
tbh....stop using big words and repetitive phrases...
Problem is that Gnome and KDE desktops consume more RAM than Xfce.
When it comes to RAM consumption, xfce is the best.
Defintely, and KDE Plasma is very effecient with resources. It's not as lightweight as Xfce but it is modern and looks more contemporary.
Cheesus again , consume RAM , don't care 1 or 2,5GB use of memory RAM is nothing.
I mean, yeah, but KDE and GNOME provide things that Xfce cannot. Anyway, who doesn't have 8 GB of ram these days?
I have ran KDE Plasma on 4 GB without any fuzz.
RAM is meant to be used.
Yeah, and in 1998 or 2001, that mattered. Nowadays, RAM is so cheap, most PCs have more than enough. I don't get the fixation in the Linux world to still talk about how much memory the shell uses, like it's 20 years ago. Xfce? Really?
It looks dumb to me. No one uses KDE because they want floating panels. I'm all for making it look better, but all the gaps between the menus are annoying.
Then disable it, this isn't Gnome, you aren't stuck with the defaults
Your free to get off your rump.and not use the stock theme if you don't like it.
@@ErichTovenThat’s what I'm doing, I'm not using the stock theme because I don't like it... What's your point?
I quite like it, it's not trying to look like gnome but it's taking a way better approach to modernization than windows 11 it's almost unnoticeable and when maximizing windows it stops floating, plus you can always disable it.
@@firstNamelastName-ho6lv
Doest matter , they just improving its look, if u dont like u can change !
So there is no point to say dumb to it .
Go & change , easy .
Its not dumb 🚫
shit plasma 6 ,kde is always some broken garbage
Floating panel ... How many developer hours have been wasted on that utterly useless "feature"?
Looks like Windows Vista.
I am glad I don't use KDE.
This accent is South Asian.
It is kinda hard to understand what you are saying.
For example, you didn't say "improvements", you said "improoments".
Version -> Wershion
Thoroughly -> Thorowly
I assume English is not your native language, and it may be hard to have a proper English accent.
Your weird accent is because you are using mouth movements from your native language to speak English.
Yes, mouth movement matters, I'd suggest you look at your mouth in front of a mirror, and try to replicate how an American or British person speaks.
Make sure to exaggerate your mouth movements, makes it easier to get used to.
(Or well, if you didn't learn a proper accent on purpose, then keep doing what you have been doing! I am not judging you)
There's nothing wrong with their accent and they were clear enough to understand the gist of what they're saying. They speak better than some of the Americans; ever hear how a Boston-native person speak?
There is no proper or single English accent, that's bullshit. Even native Americans have various accents all over the country.
as a nvidia user i am NOT happy about dripping Xorg. wayland is a dumpster fire for me