i was bullied all through middle school being the ONLY asian in a spanish and black n white school I literally fought every ever day. glasses broken at least every month....but one thing was I always fought back I never let them get away with any insult win or lose(ND I lost a lot being only 100 pounds) but by 8th grade I became a legend as someone who would fight anyone, anytime but i got sent to opportunity school and court continuation on and off. All that bullshit lead me to gangs in high school and man the late 90s and early 2000s nearly all asians were in gangs just to stop the bulliying and made a subculture were we felt normal and popular within our own sect in school. I was lucky as durango high school in las vegas was like 40% asian with 5 different gangs Akrho Pinoy,Down right Pinoy,Outkast,Oriental Boyz and AGB and some TRG members I think.
I consider Asian social standards a bit more civilized than that of Western cultures, where one seems to only attain standing by kicking the other guy down. It is as if Asian peoples think before they speak and consider the social harmony first, which is not timidity but maturity. Despite the fact so many Asians grow up in Western cultures and, as you demonstrate, are forced into all sorts of measures of self-protection, I hope that you will never lose this Asian virtue. When I journeyed through Asia for about 7 years was basically the only time in my life in which I have experienced civility and that people are actually capable of kindness. I have a bit of Asian ancestry and appear Asian to non-Asiatic people.
learning wing chun or traditional martial arts compared to learning modern martial arts is like learning to drive a manual vs an automatic. Cross training is a good thing having a mix of both together will be very useful.
Big fan of Jeff chan here! Awesome! 👍🏼 Im Chinese born in uk 🇬🇧 been a lifelong martial artist and I always stand up for myself and take no bullshit from anyone! I am a lot more calm and collective now that I’m older, 44…but when I was younger, I used to beat the crap out of anyone who called me names! I made them pay! Violently!!!! Think was a payback for all the beatings and trauma I got by racist kids inside and out of school which was hell for me on a daily basis back in the 80/90s before I started training! Iv beaten up so many racist people in my time…possibly more than 50 -70 or more…street fights,no joke! I don’t condone this but it’s just my personal story
great episode!! very informative and entertaining as well. learn a bit today about martial arts and the insights from an asian martial artist. great episode fung bros and keep it up!
Plenty of fun styles of China, like Sanda/Sanshou (they produce champs in intl fight orgs too). Besides that you have Shuai Jiao, Qin Na and Ditangquan. Back in the day they have cool fights on platforms (Leitai) and them Hong Kong rooftop fights during 50's-60's
If you watch One Championship you will see that the Asian fighters are some of the most elite. And plus Asian fighters are making it big in the UFC like Junyoung Park and Tatsuro Taira who I think will be future champs.
I used to have weird dreams where my punches would land but all paperweight impact. No matter how hard I tried, nothing. And at the time I was benching 185. Then I started learning basic MMA training and the philosophy from Bruce Lee about fearing the man who does one kick 1000 times. It's been 5 years and I haven't experienced those weird dreams.
It’s very simple. A martial art must be LIVE. Live sparring with resisting opponents. Sambo, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Kickboxing. These are effective because the core of the art is based around sparring. That’s it
I started Muay Thai after watching Karate Kid, I told my dad I wanted to do Karate; he said no. He said that We are Thai and we must only learn Muay Thai, he gave me a pair of over sized Muay Thai shorts and some gloves, I remember thinking WTF is this. That was back in 1989, the rest was history.
I would look towards Martial Arts as a way to keep fit and stay in shape, but to think it will save you or someone's life... it could do that or not. MMA in its basic principle... don't just stick to one tool out of a tool box, have other tools and ones that work best for you.
I'm Caucasian with some Asian roots branching off into my mother's maternal side; I've got picked on too for having some Asian features and can relate a little to Mr. Chan. About Asian men being weak or timid, I would like to say this, as a person who has grown up in the West but journeyed and lived throughout Asia for about 7 years: I often experience that in Western culture we tend to attain our social position by kicking the other guy down in order for our own person to (apparently) rise up. But it is as if Asian peoples think before they speak and consider the social harmony first. In the West this might appear timid or weak, but in my opinion it is actually *maturity*, a quality I respect deeply. I think this can make it hard for Asians to participate or blend into a Western social standard, a standard I personally deem a bit less refined than their own.
I believe that's a bit different than that. Asian cultures are much more submissive to authority (which is generally a bad thing) so children are much more disciplined to the rules of parents, teachers, authority in general. The West, has progressed (unfortunately) to a much more chaotic model of parenting, (or no parenting at all with half the parents not even present in the lives of children due to divorces or even abandonment) so the children are thrown into a the pool of public education with much less homogeneity in terms of shapes of characters, hence bullies develop and children have to work their way through an unfamiliar and, at times, abusive maze. Unfortunately a very small percentage of them have the psychological and disciplinary tools to cope with their situation and many end up with a form of a PTSD from that experience. Some rise stronger (usually by actively doing something about their physical presence by getting stronger, skills doing a martial art, get good advice from an adult and stick with it, etc). The rest is history.
The Biggest Asian American Badass is the Undefeated MMA fighter, and MMA Journalist, E. Casey Leydon. Fung Brothers should interview him. Keep America #FUNGTRUE
The RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) are a National Police force with the red uniforms and big hats... but there are still what you would recognize as municipal level Police that take care of their own territories that you see on TV in traditional Police uniforms.
Look up Wong Shun Leung, he was a student of Ip Man. He streamlined wing chun. Wing chun helps to develop reflexes and mental calmness. Don’t focus on the hands or you’ll miss all the heavenly glory ai yah ai yah! Thanks for the awesome video fellas! 😀👍🏽💪🏽🧧
7:53 RCMP is pretty much the canadian feds, its pretty hard to become one too and its defo a prestigious job. But pay sucks ass at the start and theyll put you in a random village in the middle of nowhere
Excellent videos. "The legit guys kinda passed away" Yeah, not all, but the ones that are still alive are 90 or so... and who can tell of their students (now masters) arent washed down... Great video guys. Keep training guys
25:24 as someone who has done Wing Chun for 23 years, he's right that it can take longer to learn even if the potential skill ceiling is higher. You _can_ crash course it, but it sort of defeats the purpose of doing so.
WC guys can become effective really fast if they spent as much time free sparring as they do on forms, drills and chi sao. They should start free sparring from month ONE. The problem with WC guys is they spend almost all their sparring only doing chi sao. I personally think chi sao sparring should take up less than 10% of sparring time. Chi sao range is actually a transitional state. No one’s gonna stick to you in live combat. So why do WC guys spend 99% of sparring in that one range??? Whereas grappling in live combat is often a sustained engagement that lasts a while so it makes sense for grapplers to spend significant amount of time grappling. Kick boxing styles spar in dynamic situations where distance frequently changes, which mimics live combat situations. This is why WC guys struggle to manage distance, close the gap or know what to do in grappling range. They never train in it. Never spar in it. This is why you rarely see chi sao techniques in live combat. In reality WC has an answer for all of this, but it’s just not being trained and pressure tested.
Have you guys checked out Xu Xiaodong, the Chinese MMA fighter that goes toe to toe w/"traditional" Chinese martial artists? Seeing how China reacts to when their traditional styles are tested with less than stellar results shows why China is not too keen on picking up MMA, the traditional Chinese styles are so tied into their culture that to question the effectiveness of their styles is akin to a personal attack on them. However Xu Xiaodong for the most part has primarily challenged those martial artists that sell their traditional style as not only as an absolute superior, but tout it with almost near mythical ridiculousness. Personally as far as I'm concerned, Xu is doing a public service in showing that they're not omnipotent as they prop themselves up to be. Students that follow those so-called "masters" are more liable to be put in more danger because they genuinely believe they can pull of "no touch KO" attacks.
I truly believe the "traditional" masters that are down for the challenge and lose are snake oil salesme. And this is coming from someone that practices Hung Kuen (a Southern Chinese style). For the most part, they might be masters fighting him, but they are either old or bad representations of their style. Plus, traditional martial arts usually has a multitude of strikes that are deemed illegal in an mma bout, so they can't be used (people tend to overlook this huge point). Groin strikes, eye gouging, and neck strikes come to mind. My master does not claim to have the "best style", but like other comments here, it's about how often and correctly someone trains, not the style itself. Same goes for mma fighters that claim to be the shit. It would be foolish to think that mma and traditional martial arts are in different spectrums of fighting. There are alot more similarities than people think when a "real" fight goes down. Not arguing with you at all, I agree with all of your points. "No touch KO" attacks are definitely a joke, and I was always taught to be pragmatic in fighting, not so stuck on tradition. Traditional forms/sets ("katas" in Karate) are the blueprint to most of the moves learned in a certain style, but it's up to the fighter to adapt moves to the given situation. In terms of mma picking up steam in China, I think there is a slight shift in these past years. We have Chinese mma fighters (Zhang Weili and Song Yadong are just 2 of them) that have kung fu backgrounds but they obviously mesh that with things like BJJ and wrestling (Muai Thai of course too) to be complete and not have that "superiority complex" with their kung fu.
Traditional martial arts also have a lot more in their curriculum going on than just barehanded fighting. Things like weaponry, and medicine/bone-setting, lion-dancing, etc. So from a time management perspective, if you compare a tradition MA vs say a boxer, both trains 3x a week in 3hr classes. The boxer will definitely have more edge if strictly hand to hand. Not to make excuses there are things that TMA does that are perhaps way too extra like overfocus on fundamentals and forms, time better spent on sparring
Yes, most real fights happen in the streets. With concrete sidewalks, bricks and pavement. No mats. And it is very easy for your opponent to have a traumatic brain injury by hitting the ground. In the third form of WC (Bil Gee), you learn emergency techniques like going for the eyes or throat. Because your first and second techniques have failed. Again, you can do some serious damage to someone. Is it worth it? Then again, with BJJ, if you can close the distance, it is very difficult for a WC practitioner once he is on the ground. And the WC practitioner's arms, legs or throat are in a BBJ hold. Chain punching is difficult to connect if someone can dodge the punches. With body cams, if you are LE, you can't just chain punch a suspect. I agree that JKD may be the best to learn. But guys like Danny Inosanto are getting old. If I were a Wing Chun guy, I would keep the distance, practice my cardio and run as fast as you can. R.I.P. Sifu Hawkins Cheung.
True because Jeet Kune Do is literally MMA, Jujitsu and Wing Chun combined Doing MMA, Jujitsu or Wing Chun alone is good but not best for most situations. However if you want to do these types of martial arts I just said, Bruce Lee's JKD is the best route even though not a lot of people know about it.
All styles can work or not work at all. It's dependent on the person and that person has to adapt to the situation. If you ask the Gracie's, they'll say take all fights to the ground. If you watch some boxing TH-camrs, they'll say keep the fight on your feet. My opinion, you're not likely to encounter a trained fighter trying to assault you (as long as you're not the one instigating). It's more likely to be a thug, petty criminal, sexual predator, drunk guy at the club. I'm not looking to win style points. Just get enough offense going to buy time and room to run away.
Wish I had better guidance as a youngin and headed towards martial arts as hobby/sport. Picked up a gun in 8th grade in 1998. Got rid of it ASAP as I realized it’s not what I needed at that time, even though there was gun violence plaguing the city. Did not partake.
@@arnislumpia3766 I agree with your defense for guns. The regular good people must own them (as the bad guys usually do - including the untrustworthy governments) but Brandon, as you well know, was killed by a gun in a movie set. Everything with measure.
Traditional Okinawan karate had take downs and grappling, when karate went to japan they dropped it because they had judo and ju jitsu already, if you find a good, traditional karate dojo you will learn take downs and grapplign
Funny that Americans think Asians are somewhat week, while Chinese are one of the best, if not the best, team in Olympic weightlifting. They are some of the most powerful athletes on the planet out of china, North Korea, Japan and so on
Greeks used to be one of the best teams in weightlifting but then I (we - in my professional sports team) was given the supplements they were taking. Needless to say I refused taking them after 1 session a whole SAC of dubious pills (about 15 big ones in one go - and I was supposed to take 1 such sac each day for many many days during prep season). Latest this year we played against one of the strongest teams in Europe and beat them up (literally). We had become huge and dangerously strong. I just didn't have to take what others did as I was a strong 6'9" 265lbs natural and was also against it for my own health and my core values. Later that year the whole National Greek team of weightlifters was accused for taking huge amounts of illegal supplements (steroids) and a scandal erupted. In retrospect I'm so glad I went against the grain (was the only one who didn't take the supplements). Chinese are surely on the juice. Especially under the communist regime which is a crypto-ultranationalist regime (like all communist regimes of the present or past).
Wing Chun's central line and guard makes it to weak to hooks.....they literally get smashed by hooks and leg and head kicks. if they fix that it'll be effective.
@@teovu5557 th-cam.com/video/r6gEN3pstwg/w-d-xo.html It's not the style that sucked. It's the one doing it. And only in America it's like that. Europe is huge with Ving Tsun practitioner
If you guys are Chinese you should know that Kung Fu was used on the battlefields of China for thousands of years so we know it works. I have been practicing Wing Chun for 15 years and love it. I used it once 10 years ago in a real fight when I was attacked by a thug and it gave me the edge that I needed to win the fight. I am not a pro fighter though so I will not go in the cage just to show it works because being hit in a ring or a cage is not my cup of tea. And it would require a conditioning training that I am not ready to work for. We start to see more people using Wing Chun in MMA . Anderson Silva for example, Erik Paulson even have a video on how to use .Wing Chun while grappling on the ground. Kung fu just need to be adapted to more modern ways of fighting or training. It can be done.
Nah, where I grew up all my asian buddies were tough crazy fuckers. Never "weak". Although Jeff is above average (compared to every race) he's just being modest.
All martial arts have similarities as Bruce Lee said, the human body moves in a certain way because there is 2 arms and 2 legs, if there were other people with 3 arm, 3 legs, then there would be some differences in fighting mechanics (see Pierre Burton interview). However, as humans beings are similarly built across cultures, some techniques will over lap. How can one say Kung Fu doesn't work when it has the basic strikes such as straight punch, hooks, upper cuts, elbows, front kick, side kick, round house, back kick, spin variations of these kicks? kicks that other supposedly effective striking styles have such as muay thai (although there is not as much spin variation of kicks in traditional muay thai). The fight IQ and application is up to the individual. That is to say only the ignorant believes styles make the man when in reality it is the man and what they do to train with that knowledge obtained and applying it that justifies whether that person is an effective fighter or not.
Wing Chun is one style of many different forms of Kung Fu. I'd recomend finding a JKD Wing Chun school connected to Bruce Lee and Dan Inosantos teachings as they teach boxing and stick fighting.
@@FairyThale41 yup. don't just stick to Classical Wing Chun, it's great as a foundational style and for hand trapping but Wing Chun becomes more powerful as you encounter different teachers.
Gung Fu means an achievement through effort and practice. You could be a high level in everything. It's a colloquial nickname used mostly in Southern China but now has been accepted all over China to mean martial arts. In Mandarin it's called Wushu.
Wing Chung as a fighting style is not taken seriously, even among Kung Fu that is already seen as somehow lesser of a fighting style compared to Karate or Boxing because of chinese stereotypes.... WIng Chung was invented by a woman, for close range combat to get away from an attacker... it's not a full fledged fighting style to really take out someone seriously if you need to do that. People see the movies of Wing Chung like Donnie Yen's Ip-Man series, and think it looks nice but it's not real nor practical... people want definitively powerful and effective and easy to grasp fighting styles... and if you have to be a grandmaster to succeed... it's of no use to most people because they are too lazy to dedicate themselves to it
Only in America. In Europe it's hugely been accepted. With lots of high level Sifus. And Australia too. Like Sifu David Peterson. One of the best student of Wong Shun Leung
Its pretty clear that asian canadians dont suffer same kind of discrimination that asian americans suffer from. Heck, Im chinese Panamanian, and Ive never seen as weak.
Americans are much more direct and they treat social evasiveness with suspicion so the way Asians often times deal with conflict can be very annoying to them and attract bullying. You really gotta speak your mind but also roll with the punches and know how to joke around and talk shit. All attributes that are non-traditionally asian especially for young people because they are suppressed by their elders. The less sensitive and insecure you are the less people will shit on uou but also the less you will even care about what’s said. Canada seems a bit more suited for stereotypically asian personalities because Canadians are known for being more polite and “nice.”
@@yeeluvspizza so you’ve never heard about Canada’s restrictive anti Chinese immigration act similar to the U.S. Chinese exclusion act? Japanese Canadians got put into concentration camps like the US. Hell even blacks also faced racial discrimination in Canada.
I find it interesting how every race or ethnicity have they own fighting style Black American have the Philly shell and shoulder roll Asian have karate whin chun or any form of mma White people have boxing
Philly Shell guard is closely identical to the one of the Wing Chun guards, only the Philly Shell is not squared up. Bruce Lee also use a stance similar to Philly Shell in his movies.
Absolutely, I think where people mess up is when they think that what they do in a real fight has to look like an Ip Man movie. Most martial arts look more practical than the movies. People get caught up in what a master says and think there is no other way to approach certain situations. Even masters would probably agree not to always "do things by the book".
@@dsong2006 Classical Wing Chun is different than the Wing Chun Concepts Bruce Lee learned and taught. Not only that but Bruce Lee did not just learn it's methods from Ip Man's School, but another faction called Red Boat Wing Chun. Also put a knife in a Knife in a Wing Chun guys hands and no power is needed. Wing Chun is so much deeper than we see in the movies and online.
@@arnislumpia3766 people under estimate boxing at a high level. The footwork in boxing is more advanced, and boxing has so many angles of attack compared to wing Chun and they always protect their head. When I watch boxing vs. wing Chun it always seems like the wing Chun guy has trouble getting into their preferred distance and even when they land shots it doesnt do much damage. For boxing if they connect with a solid cross or hook it's lights out with 1punch. That is not to say wing Chun can't be good if pressured tested but then usually at that level the wing Chun guy will start to incorporate boxing techniques as well
@@dsong2006 Classical Wing Chun is sort of a crash course in Kung Fu and even the legends involving the female named Wing Chun represents this view as it's not actually complete. Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do is what helps complete Wing Chun because Bruce Lee used boxing techniques... The truth is just not fully seen in even the best of movies or online instruction.
Tell that to Wong Shun Leung. The King of the Talking Hands. The man who actually taught Bruce Lee. And never lost over 50 of Beimo fights. Go look it up
mans likes only the easy part of fighting, sparring and looking in shape. Doesnt like actually fighting but is telling us win chun is viable? Pls nobody listen to this man, on top of that he doing viral videos nuff said
Jeff Chan is so true on what he shares
i was bullied all through middle school being the ONLY asian in a spanish and black n white school I literally fought every ever day. glasses broken at least every month....but one thing was I always fought back I never let them get away with any insult win or lose(ND I lost a lot being only 100 pounds) but by 8th grade I became a legend as someone who would fight anyone, anytime but i got sent to opportunity school and court continuation on and off. All that bullshit lead me to gangs in high school and man the late 90s and early 2000s nearly all asians were in gangs just to stop the bulliying and made a subculture were we felt normal and popular within our own sect in school. I was lucky as durango high school in las vegas was like 40% asian with 5 different gangs Akrho Pinoy,Down right Pinoy,Outkast,Oriental Boyz and AGB and some TRG members I think.
I consider Asian social standards a bit more civilized than that of Western cultures, where one seems to only attain standing by kicking the other guy down. It is as if Asian peoples think before they speak and consider the social harmony first, which is not timidity but maturity. Despite the fact so many Asians grow up in Western cultures and, as you demonstrate, are forced into all sorts of measures of self-protection, I hope that you will never lose this Asian virtue. When I journeyed through Asia for about 7 years was basically the only time in my life in which I have experienced civility and that people are actually capable of kindness. I have a bit of Asian ancestry and appear Asian to non-Asiatic people.
learning wing chun or traditional martial arts compared to learning modern martial arts is like learning to drive a manual vs an automatic. Cross training is a good thing having a mix of both together will be very useful.
Big fan of Jeff chan here! Awesome! 👍🏼
Im Chinese born in uk 🇬🇧 been a lifelong martial artist and I always stand up for myself and take no bullshit from anyone! I am a lot more calm and collective now that I’m older, 44…but when I was younger, I used to beat the crap out of anyone who called me names! I made them pay! Violently!!!! Think was a payback for all the beatings and trauma I got by racist kids inside and out of school which was hell for me on a daily basis back in the 80/90s before I started training! Iv beaten up so many racist people in my time…possibly more than 50 -70 or more…street fights,no joke! I don’t condone this but it’s just my personal story
50-70 is lot of beating and lot of racist.
@@JOHNDOE-ry6rd 💪🏻💪🏻stay strong!!! 😎
It's cool to see this kinda video from you guys. I love this content so much more than the usual reactions.
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great episode!! very informative and entertaining as well. learn a bit today about martial arts and the insights from an asian martial artist. great episode fung bros and keep it up!
When Jeff was speaking on situations on your life happening for a better reason. And that it is shifted by God or a Higher Being. I got chills.
Plenty of fun styles of China, like Sanda/Sanshou (they produce champs in intl fight orgs too). Besides that you have Shuai Jiao, Qin Na and Ditangquan. Back in the day they have cool fights on platforms (Leitai) and them Hong Kong rooftop fights during 50's-60's
“I fight muay tai” Jeff
“Wing chun” both guys
“I’m from Canada”jeff
“Wingchun”
If you watch One Championship you will see that the Asian fighters are some of the most elite. And plus Asian fighters are making it big in the UFC like Junyoung Park and Tatsuro Taira who I think will be future champs.
If you go to Thailand or Myanmar martial arts scenes, you will not think asians are weak. You will think fuck that i'm scared
@@AJ-iu6nw Actually go to South Korea. Koreans are the best fighters in the world.
Nice, love the collab and looking forward to getting into it!
I used to have weird dreams where my punches would land but all paperweight impact. No matter how hard I tried, nothing. And at the time I was benching 185. Then I started learning basic MMA training and the philosophy from Bruce Lee about fearing the man who does one kick 1000 times. It's been 5 years and I haven't experienced those weird dreams.
Jeff is such a wise sensei.
Jeff's number 1 ,Irish fan here!
Jeff is the man!
It’s very simple. A martial art must be LIVE. Live sparring with resisting opponents. Sambo, BJJ, Boxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling, Kickboxing. These are effective because the core of the art is based around sparring. That’s it
I started Muay Thai after watching Karate Kid, I told my dad I wanted to do Karate; he said no. He said that We are Thai and we must only learn Muay Thai, he gave me a pair of over sized Muay Thai shorts and some gloves, I remember thinking WTF is this. That was back in 1989, the rest was history.
Studying martial art is nice if you can afford it and have the time to do it, between college courses and part-time job is a full schedule.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee
I would look towards Martial Arts as a way to keep fit and stay in shape, but to think it will save you or someone's life... it could do that or not. MMA in its basic principle... don't just stick to one tool out of a tool box, have other tools and ones that work best for you.
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I'm Caucasian with some Asian roots branching off into my mother's maternal side; I've got picked on too for having some Asian features and can relate a little to Mr. Chan. About Asian men being weak or timid, I would like to say this, as a person who has grown up in the West but journeyed and lived throughout Asia for about 7 years: I often experience that in Western culture we tend to attain our social position by kicking the other guy down in order for our own person to (apparently) rise up. But it is as if Asian peoples think before they speak and consider the social harmony first. In the West this might appear timid or weak, but in my opinion it is actually *maturity*, a quality I respect deeply. I think this can make it hard for Asians to participate or blend into a Western social standard, a standard I personally deem a bit less refined than their own.
I believe that's a bit different than that. Asian cultures are much more submissive to authority (which is generally a bad thing) so children are much more disciplined to the rules of parents, teachers, authority in general.
The West, has progressed (unfortunately) to a much more chaotic model of parenting, (or no parenting at all with half the parents not even present in the lives of children due to divorces or even abandonment) so the children are thrown into a the pool of public education with much less homogeneity in terms of shapes of characters, hence bullies develop and children have to work their way through an unfamiliar and, at times, abusive maze.
Unfortunately a very small percentage of them have the psychological and disciplinary tools to cope with their situation and many end up with a form of a PTSD from that experience. Some rise stronger (usually by actively doing something about their physical presence by getting stronger, skills doing a martial art, get good advice from an adult and stick with it, etc). The rest is history.
bop bop🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥Toronto all day. Jeff is a real G 👊👊
The Biggest Asian American Badass is the Undefeated MMA fighter, and MMA Journalist, E. Casey Leydon.
Fung Brothers should interview him. Keep America #FUNGTRUE
The RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) are a National Police force with the red uniforms and big hats... but there are still what you would recognize as municipal level Police that take care of their own territories that you see on TV in traditional Police uniforms.
Also hopefully one day you folks get to bring Zhang Weili, Li Jingliang and/or Song Yadong to th podcast. Zhang Zhilei too for boxing
Look up Wong Shun Leung, he was a student of Ip Man. He streamlined wing chun. Wing chun helps to develop reflexes and mental calmness. Don’t focus on the hands or you’ll miss all the heavenly glory ai yah ai yah! Thanks for the awesome video fellas! 😀👍🏽💪🏽🧧
It is like a finger pointing to the moon = Biu Tze.....
Sifu David Peterson here 😉
Violence is not the answer, but it is an answer and it’s a very effective one.
Violence is an inescapable fact of life. Harnessing violence (and the psychology behind it) is a process of maturation.
7:53 RCMP is pretty much the canadian feds, its pretty hard to become one too and its defo a prestigious job. But pay sucks ass at the start and theyll put you in a random village in the middle of nowhere
Excellent videos.
"The legit guys kinda passed away"
Yeah, not all, but the ones that are still alive are 90 or so... and who can tell of their students (now masters) arent washed down...
Great video guys.
Keep training guys
Jeff Chan x Fung Bros x Ronny Chieng Jiu-jitsu video should be next!
This reminds me of the martial arts moves you should know video. I would like to see another one like that vid
25:24 as someone who has done Wing Chun for 23 years, he's right that it can take longer to learn even if the potential skill ceiling is higher. You _can_ crash course it, but it sort of defeats the purpose of doing so.
WC guys can become effective really fast if they spent as much time free sparring as they do on forms, drills and chi sao. They should start free sparring from month ONE.
The problem with WC guys is they spend almost all their sparring only doing chi sao. I personally think chi sao sparring should take up less than 10% of sparring time.
Chi sao range is actually a transitional state. No one’s gonna stick to you in live combat. So why do WC guys spend 99% of sparring in that one range???
Whereas grappling in live combat is often a sustained engagement that lasts a while so it makes sense for grapplers to spend significant amount of time grappling. Kick boxing styles spar in dynamic situations where distance frequently changes, which mimics live combat situations.
This is why WC guys struggle to manage distance, close the gap or know what to do in grappling range. They never train in it. Never spar in it. This is why you rarely see chi sao techniques in live combat. In reality WC has an answer for all of this, but it’s just not being trained and pressure tested.
Have you guys checked out Xu Xiaodong, the Chinese MMA fighter that goes toe to toe w/"traditional" Chinese martial artists? Seeing how China reacts to when their traditional styles are tested with less than stellar results shows why China is not too keen on picking up MMA, the traditional Chinese styles are so tied into their culture that to question the effectiveness of their styles is akin to a personal attack on them.
However Xu Xiaodong for the most part has primarily challenged those martial artists that sell their traditional style as not only as an absolute superior, but tout it with almost near mythical ridiculousness. Personally as far as I'm concerned, Xu is doing a public service in showing that they're not omnipotent as they prop themselves up to be. Students that follow those so-called "masters" are more liable to be put in more danger because they genuinely believe they can pull of "no touch KO" attacks.
I truly believe the "traditional" masters that are down for the challenge and lose are snake oil salesme. And this is coming from someone that practices Hung Kuen (a Southern Chinese style). For the most part, they might be masters fighting him, but they are either old or bad representations of their style. Plus, traditional martial arts usually has a multitude of strikes that are deemed illegal in an mma bout, so they can't be used (people tend to overlook this huge point). Groin strikes, eye gouging, and neck strikes come to mind. My master does not claim to have the "best style", but like other comments here, it's about how often and correctly someone trains, not the style itself. Same goes for mma fighters that claim to be the shit. It would be foolish to think that mma and traditional martial arts are in different spectrums of fighting. There are alot more similarities than people think when a "real" fight goes down. Not arguing with you at all, I agree with all of your points. "No touch KO" attacks are definitely a joke, and I was always taught to be pragmatic in fighting, not so stuck on tradition. Traditional forms/sets ("katas" in Karate) are the blueprint to most of the moves learned in a certain style, but it's up to the fighter to adapt moves to the given situation.
In terms of mma picking up steam in China, I think there is a slight shift in these past years. We have Chinese mma fighters (Zhang Weili and Song Yadong are just 2 of them) that have kung fu backgrounds but they obviously mesh that with things like BJJ and wrestling (Muai Thai of course too) to be complete and not have that "superiority complex" with their kung fu.
fung bros trains with jeff, could be another fun collab, for fun and see what happens
Traditional martial arts also have a lot more in their curriculum going on than just barehanded fighting. Things like weaponry, and medicine/bone-setting, lion-dancing, etc. So from a time management perspective, if you compare a tradition MA vs say a boxer, both trains 3x a week in 3hr classes. The boxer will definitely have more edge if strictly hand to hand. Not to make excuses there are things that TMA does that are perhaps way too extra like overfocus on fundamentals and forms, time better spent on sparring
Any martial art is only as good as it's fighter. It's not the style, it's the fighter.
Lol tell that to tai chi
Well except aikido, that "martial art" is kind of a joke.
Yes, most real fights happen in the streets. With concrete sidewalks, bricks and pavement. No mats. And it is very easy for your opponent to have a traumatic brain injury by hitting the ground. In the third form of WC (Bil Gee), you learn emergency techniques like going for the eyes or throat. Because your first and second techniques have failed. Again, you can do some serious damage to someone. Is it worth it? Then again, with BJJ, if you can close the distance, it is very difficult for a WC practitioner once he is on the ground. And the WC practitioner's arms, legs or throat are in a BBJ hold. Chain punching is difficult to connect if someone can dodge the punches. With body cams, if you are LE, you can't just chain punch a suspect. I agree that JKD may be the best to learn. But guys like Danny Inosanto are getting old. If I were a Wing Chun guy, I would keep the distance, practice my cardio and run as fast as you can. R.I.P. Sifu Hawkins Cheung.
If I am not mistaken, some part of Canada have yet to standardize bodycams.
True because Jeet Kune Do is literally MMA, Jujitsu and Wing Chun combined
Doing MMA, Jujitsu or Wing Chun alone is good but not best for most situations. However if you want to do these types of martial arts I just said, Bruce Lee's JKD is the best route even though not a lot of people know about it.
FYI Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was a Jeet Kune Do student under Bruce Lee.
Jeff Chan the man
Dude! you keep interrupting him!! Please let him talk!! Jesuss... effing Christ!!!
All styles can work or not work at all. It's dependent on the person and that person has to adapt to the situation. If you ask the Gracie's, they'll say take all fights to the ground. If you watch some boxing TH-camrs, they'll say keep the fight on your feet. My opinion, you're not likely to encounter a trained fighter trying to assault you (as long as you're not the one instigating). It's more likely to be a thug, petty criminal, sexual predator, drunk guy at the club. I'm not looking to win style points. Just get enough offense going to buy time and room to run away.
There should be a Wing chun renaissance.
It would be cool but there needs to be some serious sparring. I feel like most WC people don’t spar/ don’t spar enough
I think tribalism can be toxic but it exists for a reason. What you prefer or what more fits your ideal you.
Anything that goes to the extreme can be toxic, one exception is love. Love can get to infinity without issues.
Wish I had better guidance as a youngin and headed towards martial arts as hobby/sport. Picked up a gun in 8th grade in 1998. Got rid of it ASAP as I realized it’s not what I needed at that time, even though there was gun violence plaguing the city. Did not partake.
Bruce Lee owned and practiced shooting guns. He even advocated gun use in his movies and his son Brandon used guns in his movies.
@@arnislumpia3766 I agree with your defense for guns. The regular good people must own them (as the bad guys usually do - including the untrustworthy governments) but Brandon, as you well know, was killed by a gun in a movie set. Everything with measure.
Traditional Okinawan karate had take downs and grappling, when karate went to japan they dropped it because they had judo and ju jitsu already, if you find a good, traditional karate dojo you will learn take downs and grapplign
@43:48 I said that back in 1998😏
Funny that Americans think Asians are somewhat week, while Chinese are one of the best, if not the best, team in Olympic weightlifting. They are some of the most powerful athletes on the planet out of china, North Korea, Japan and so on
Greeks used to be one of the best teams in weightlifting but then I (we - in my professional sports team) was given the supplements they were taking. Needless to say I refused taking them after 1 session a whole SAC of dubious pills (about 15 big ones in one go - and I was supposed to take 1 such sac each day for many many days during prep season).
Latest this year we played against one of the strongest teams in Europe and beat them up (literally). We had become huge and dangerously strong. I just didn't have to take what others did as I was a strong 6'9" 265lbs natural and was also against it for my own health and my core values. Later that year the whole National Greek team of weightlifters was accused for taking huge amounts of illegal supplements (steroids) and a scandal erupted. In retrospect I'm so glad I went against the grain (was the only one who didn't take the supplements).
Chinese are surely on the juice. Especially under the communist regime which is a crypto-ultranationalist regime (like all communist regimes of the present or past).
Wing Chun's central line and guard makes it to weak to hooks.....they literally get smashed by hooks and leg and head kicks. if they fix that it'll be effective.
lol them rapid pusseee taps with arms extended out would get counter hooked by an amateur striker
Nope. There's a technique called Tan Daa. Simultaneous block and defence. No hooks can penetrate it
@@NNamesiswhy dont you show everyone a video of a wing chunner pulling it off in a fight then. lol
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It's not the style that sucked. It's the one doing it. And only in America it's like that. Europe is huge with Ving Tsun practitioner
If you guys are Chinese you should know that Kung Fu was used on the battlefields of China for thousands of years so we know it works. I have been practicing Wing Chun for 15 years and love it. I used it once 10 years ago in a real fight when I was attacked by a thug and it gave me the edge that I needed to win the fight. I am not a pro fighter though so I will not go in the cage just to show it works because being hit in a ring or a cage is not my cup of tea. And it would require a conditioning training that I am not ready to work for. We start to see more people using Wing Chun in MMA . Anderson Silva for example, Erik Paulson even have a video on how to use .Wing Chun while grappling on the ground. Kung fu just need to be adapted to more modern ways of fighting or training. It can be done.
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Nah, where I grew up all my asian buddies were tough crazy fuckers. Never "weak". Although Jeff is above average (compared to every race) he's just being modest.
All martial arts have similarities as Bruce Lee said, the human body moves in a certain way because there is 2 arms and 2 legs, if there were other people with 3 arm, 3 legs, then there would be some differences in fighting mechanics (see Pierre Burton interview). However, as humans beings are similarly built across cultures, some techniques will over lap.
How can one say Kung Fu doesn't work when it has the basic strikes such as straight punch, hooks, upper cuts, elbows, front kick, side kick, round house, back kick, spin variations of these kicks? kicks that other supposedly effective striking styles have such as muay thai (although there is not as much spin variation of kicks in traditional muay thai). The fight IQ and application is up to the individual.
That is to say only the ignorant believes styles make the man when in reality it is the man and what they do to train with that knowledge obtained and applying it that justifies whether that person is an effective fighter or not.
Is Wing Chun and Kung Fu different? I'm planning to enroll my 8-yr old daughter in Kung Fu school this summer
Wing Chun is one style of many different forms of Kung Fu. I'd recomend finding a JKD Wing Chun school connected to Bruce Lee and Dan Inosantos teachings as they teach boxing and stick fighting.
@@arnislumpia3766 Stick fighting is Arnis right? Filipino martial arts😁
@@FairyThale41 yup. don't just stick to Classical Wing Chun, it's great as a foundational style and for hand trapping but Wing Chun becomes more powerful as you encounter different teachers.
Gung Fu means an achievement through effort and practice. You could be a high level in everything. It's a colloquial nickname used mostly in Southern China but now has been accepted all over China to mean martial arts. In Mandarin it's called Wushu.
Only a real martial artist like Jeff can understand 😊the rest of us are afraid of getting hit in the face 😂
Wing chun & kung fu is more of a cooperative martial arts and combat sanshou/sandaa is more for the competitive side 🤙🤙
My 9 and 10 years old boys love BJJ.
Besides wing chun hung ga works Wong fei hung style
I thought he is Chinese Canadian?
These dudes clearly didn’t do their research… Jeff is a Chinese Canadian and a MMA guy, not American or Wing Chun devotee 🤦♂️
is andrew in a different location?
Wingchun is effective when you incorporate it with boxing..
lol them rapid pusseee taps with arms extended out would get counter hooked by an amateur striker
True. Wong Shun Leung was a Boxer. And never lost a fight
Wing Chung as a fighting style is not taken seriously, even among Kung Fu that is already seen as somehow lesser of a fighting style compared to Karate or Boxing because of chinese stereotypes.... WIng Chung was invented by a woman, for close range combat to get away from an attacker... it's not a full fledged fighting style to really take out someone seriously if you need to do that. People see the movies of Wing Chung like Donnie Yen's Ip-Man series, and think it looks nice but it's not real nor practical... people want definitively powerful and effective and easy to grasp fighting styles... and if you have to be a grandmaster to succeed... it's of no use to most people because they are too lazy to dedicate themselves to it
Only in America. In Europe it's hugely been accepted. With lots of high level Sifus. And Australia too. Like Sifu David Peterson. One of the best student of Wong Shun Leung
Its pretty clear that asian canadians dont suffer same kind of discrimination that asian americans suffer from. Heck, Im chinese Panamanian, and Ive never seen as weak.
Americans are much more direct and they treat social evasiveness with suspicion so the way Asians often times deal with conflict can be very annoying to them and attract bullying. You really gotta speak your mind but also roll with the punches and know how to joke around and talk shit. All attributes that are non-traditionally asian especially for young people because they are suppressed by their elders. The less sensitive and insecure you are the less people will shit on uou but also the less you will even care about what’s said.
Canada seems a bit more suited for stereotypically asian personalities because Canadians are known for being more polite and “nice.”
That's because of the different history
@@yeeluvspizza so you’ve never heard about Canada’s restrictive anti Chinese immigration act similar to the U.S. Chinese exclusion act? Japanese Canadians got put into concentration camps like the US. Hell even blacks also faced racial discrimination in Canada.
I find it interesting how every race or ethnicity have they own fighting style
Black American have the Philly shell and shoulder roll
Asian have karate whin chun or any form of mma
White people have boxing
Philly Shell guard is closely identical to the one of the Wing Chun guards, only the Philly Shell is not squared up. Bruce Lee also use a stance similar to Philly Shell in his movies.
Let him talk 🤦♂️
Ask about tribalism but displaying only Wingchun as the only Chinese/eastern martial art they looked at. Not Chinese kempo
Wing Chun does work if we follow Bruce Lee's teachings which evolved Wing Chun. F-ck the haters!
Wing Chun punches are weak as well though
Absolutely, I think where people mess up is when they think that what they do in a real fight has to look like an Ip Man movie. Most martial arts look more practical than the movies. People get caught up in what a master says and think there is no other way to approach certain situations. Even masters would probably agree not to always "do things by the book".
@@dsong2006 Classical Wing Chun is different than the Wing Chun Concepts Bruce Lee learned and taught. Not only that but Bruce Lee did not just learn it's methods from Ip Man's School, but another faction called Red Boat Wing Chun. Also put a knife in a Knife in a Wing Chun guys hands and no power is needed. Wing Chun is so much deeper than we see in the movies and online.
@@arnislumpia3766 people under estimate boxing at a high level. The footwork in boxing is more advanced, and boxing has so many angles of attack compared to wing Chun and they always protect their head. When I watch boxing vs. wing Chun it always seems like the wing Chun guy has trouble getting into their preferred distance and even when they land shots it doesnt do much damage. For boxing if they connect with a solid cross or hook it's lights out with 1punch. That is not to say wing Chun can't be good if pressured tested but then usually at that level the wing Chun guy will start to incorporate boxing techniques as well
@@dsong2006 Classical Wing Chun is sort of a crash course in Kung Fu and even the legends involving the female named Wing Chun represents this view as it's not actually complete. Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do is what helps complete Wing Chun because Bruce Lee used boxing techniques... The truth is just not fully seen in even the best of movies or online instruction.
Wing Chun works great on BJJ
Stop with the wing chun. There's so many other Chinese martial arts such as Sanda and Chinese wrestling which are very effective
lol them rapid pusseee taps with arms extended out would get counter hooked by an amateur striker
Tell that to Wong Shun Leung. The King of the Talking Hands. The man who actually taught Bruce Lee. And never lost over 50 of Beimo fights. Go look it up
@@NNamesis its 2024 today 😂
Isn't Sanda the Chinese word for "sparring" ?
Like kumite for karate is not a separate style but live sparring.
Sanda is "wushu".
"Kung fu" is a broader concept
America’s liberal laws make this developed country dangerous
You a fellow 2A Azn?
I’m sure Canada also has anti Asian racists and negative Asian male stereotypes.
Sorry, I cna't risk looking like this dude with his ears.
Jeff *explains why Chinese kung foo and wingchun are dying out”
Them: “okay but whyyyy wing chun”
Jeff *answers again*
Them “but why Wingchun no good”
mans likes only the easy part of fighting, sparring and looking in shape. Doesnt like actually fighting but is telling us win chun is viable? Pls nobody listen to this man, on top of that he doing viral videos nuff said