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- Alkalinity swings in the reef tank... my screw up.. and how i fixed it!
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I feel like your going to have issues in 2 weeks time... All the best though! It will be amazing if you come through this without any dead colonies/frags.
Highly possible for long term fallout. Fingers crossed it doesn’t happen as so far everything appears to have not missed a beat
The amount of pure gumption to make this video while in the midst of this mess and still be calm and honest is legit why I will continue to watch your channel. 👏👏 Hope this tank doesn’t suffer at all and you have nothing but good come from it.
Thanks for informing everyone with your channel. I learned don’t touch your phone before a flight. I had my lights on for almost 28,hrs by using my phone. I was l lucky nothing when wrong. Hope everything goes well with your tank Happy Reefing.
Alk was dose over time so it increases over time. That will not stress the sps at all. Know if it dumped alot at once and shot it up quick. Then you would of came home to dead sps. I have noticed that hight alk that was increased slowly does nothing to SPS same with it dropping as low as 5 4dkh all is fine and happy.
It’s not if your gonna make a mistake it’s when!Just gotta be prepared 👍Positive thoughts
Great video Devin! Something to keep in mind/potentially do: You can lower your Alk in your make up saltwater using a strong acid. For instance you can add a few drops of muriatic acid to freshly made saltwater and it will drastically lower the Alk (and pH). It’s extremely important to vigorously aerate the water after adding the acid to bring the pH up and fully dissipate the acid. Once the pH is up the muriatic acid is no longer active and the water is safe to use. The use case for this: Lowering high Alk through multiple water changes with water that has 7-8.5 dKH naturally will take forever. Dropping the Alk in your water to 4 or 5dKh will allow you to lower it quicker with less water changes. Obviously never put muriatic acid in any water with life though.
I’ve done this before and was able to lower the Alk to a reasonable level without having to make up insane amount of make up water, dropping nutrients etc only for minimal reduction of Alk. No loss of life or coral. Just don’t drop it too quick. It’s pretty easy to calculate your Alk after using. Say you do a 20% WC with 5dKh water 14 dKH x 8 + 5dKh x 2 / 10 = 12.2dKh after the water change.
I’ve just started dosing kalkwasser. It’s in my ATO I know we shouldn’t but it’s there until I get a doser. PH is 8.3 and dKH is 14. My tank is the best it’s ever been. Zoas are expanding so quickly you can see the difference day by day. My Kenya trees are self fragging so much my sump is full of them now. Mushrooms etc are expanding like never before. Parameters can’t be too bad then for this to happen.
14! Seems crazy high but I normally have it at 8-8.5 ish. Good to hear your tank is loving it
Well, that is encouraging to me ! Same thing was happening when I began Kalk. I use seawater with a pH of 7.6 and decided I needed to bump that up. I panic when I see the dkh at 10.5 but the PH now is 8. Corals do look improved, but CA is krazy at 590. I have switched to Soda Ash in pursuit of higher PH, all ya'all's reports of high dkh being no prblm is helpful to calm my nerves ! 😂
U recently interviewed a guy who's farm runs Kalkwasser to chase PH, he commented not to worry if your kalk sees a swing like that as long as the ph is on target... sounds like he was on track? That conversation convinced me to give it a go. it's been working out great so far!
So far it aligns! That being said it’s my largest swing ever haha still freaky
Good luck man! I really hope nothing happens to that beautiful tank. I can't believe I saw this video today. I nearly did the same thing from work this afternoon. My alk was looking a little low after my reservoir had run dry so I kicked it on for a few minutes from the office. Fortunately I remembered to turn it off but something told me to refresh my browser and when I did the switch was still on. I have seen that happen before with Fusion. I turned it off and refreshed again to verify and all is well. But it very much could have been a problem and I considered myself lucky.
Good catch / instinct to double check!!
Sorry to hear man, as a future recommendation I personally love using virtual outlets and programs, to do the exact same thing whenever I need to do anything manually to the tank through Apex, very useful when I won’t be able to be there to physically verify, it turned off
Good call! Would be a solid solution for a predefined dose!
woah thats crazy. glad so far so good
When I turn outlets on in fusion, I 1) switch on, 2) switch off, 3) switch to auto. For some reason, when I switch to auto it will not change state to what it should change to, it will maintain its previous state until some script makes it change state.
It’s likely doing what what code is telling it to do
Dang Deven! Hope everything makes it after a few weeks. Hot take: I don't think alk swings are as bad as so many preach. I have witnessed the same scenario from dozens of reefers over the years and only a couple of them had major issues. Most just continue on like nothing happened.
So far so good with the hoy take. But time will tell if there is any long term fall out. So far so good!
This is exactly what I say, I will surely refer to this video in one of my next videos :) can you tell me if possible what your ph was when the kh was 14? Great video :)
Thanks!! Surprisingly it only peaked at 8.3 ish
Uh oh,, man my 6 month old tank sits at 13.8 Alk. PH 7.9. I started Kalk to get PH up and grow coralline, 2 weeks later hooked up Trident and it was giving me Alk warning (too high) over 14 dkh. I stopped the Kalk/kamora because the high Alk scares me now. I’m fish and shrimp only,, nobody seems to care. For giggles I put 2 tbsp of Vinegar in last night and it maybe took me down .3 . Low PH and crazy high Alk. 300 gallon. Here is what I think is going on. I’m a bare bottom, but paved the bottom with 3” oceans wonders square frag tiles…. I think it’s the aragonite coating? Love your content, never miss anything. I have 9 tangs, 3 angelfish and of course clowns! Do I have a fish health issue?
7.9ph is still fine. My tank will be there as well if I don’t try and elevate it with my carx. 7.8 or lower I would worry but 7.9 and up is fine
Would additional outlet programming have saved you? I think you run a Trident so it could have helped as well.
I have these lines in my DOS advanced programming for the Alk head:
If pH > 8.40 Then OFF
If Alkx9 > 9.00 Then OFF
Or pick the thresholds as you see fit.
Only when on auto mode. On mode overrides it
My figure fix is so a virtual outlet that will say turn it self off after 60s
@@ReefDudes I’ve been a victim of the trap of a manually ON skimmer flooding!!
I also have alarms set for high alk, ph etc. so hopefully you can get email and sms or app notifications of these parameters spiralling out too.
I had a Kalk dosing accident, got to 15dkh for 8hrs did a mass water change 25g tank, 2 weeks later the acro's looked better and had mass growth spurt... not saying this will happen in your tank but I started running my dkh higher since then... 9-10 dkh. I think you are gonna be good.
Stuff is looking happy! So I have hope. They prob appreciated the massive water change !
My alk swing from 8.5 to 11 was catastrophic. I did massive water changes brought it down and a month later all of my euphyllia died in a week. The damage will show from 2-4 weeks. Hope u get lucky
A month later. Yikes. Wish me luck!
@@ReefDudes hey same thing just happened to me. how did your sps fair?
I love my APEX gear (and I have had GHL, FOCUSTRONIC as well) but this is one of the stubborn issues that they should have solved in the DOS a long time ago: JUST GIVE US THE HABILITY TO DO A ONE OFF MANUAL DOSE AT THE TOUCH OF A BUTTON!!! This is what caused your issue. If you had the option to tell the DOS to dose 70ml and hit enter, the thing would have just executed your command. All other half decent dosers in the market allow you to do this.
Yes I agreed. There should be a dose button with a amount input. I think I’ll do my own version with a virtual outlet. Would be nice to be built in though!
You’ll be fine. I’ve never seen an alk swing cause sps death. I had a doser malfunction back in 2019 and my alk went over 30 dKh and everything was fine. I don’t know when or why the alk swing paranoia came from. My alk swing 1-2 dKh everyday…..and I keep nothing but Tenuis and speciosa and I’ve never had an issue.
30dkh!!!! Dang! And I thought 7 was a crazy swing! Gives me extra hope!
Help. Mine was a solid 12 then jumped to 20 after a kalkwasser dump. Calcium is 140... ohh I'm freaking out but trying to stay calm. I turned off Kalkaska and calcium reactor. ....
What do I dooooooo ?
I might be mentally challenged with math but hey.....
I dear ! 🧐
Hope everything goes well.
So far so good!
Ooofff. That’s rough!
I accidentally dosed a 5g bucket of Kalk into a 75g back in the day. No coral or fish died but it seemed to be the genesis of the sandbed glueing itself together. Just something to keep an eye on.
I shall keep an eye on it! I have never experienced it but have heard of that happening
Oh boy. Sorry to hear this. 😥That is a massive swing. 😳 Dang it. I hope some stuff will make it. There’s likely big problems coming around the corner. Sometimes they will take it a few times if it’s never happened before, but a swing this size, and almost surely stuff is gonna STN/RTN. Following. Be sure to keep documenting this.
Oh I will! So far so good! 🤞
@@ReefDudes man, that would be incredible if nothing blinked. I’ll be shocked. Makes me think of that Asian girls tank that was dosing like 70 mL’s of ESV ALK straight up. 🙂
May be another example showing that alk swings are no problem...
Short term Atleast. So far so good :)
Man you are so lucky! I would be panicking lol!
I just did a 50% water change and my alk went from 8 to 10 dKH. Im letting it drop naturally, but will i lose any LPS due to that swing?
You’re likely fine as long as the coral isn’t already super stressed.
I have had larger swings issue free.
Did you loose anything after this event!
My best advice is not to use large dosing containers, use only containers with sufficient capacity for 2 weeks of dosing. It's better to underdose than to overdose !
Safer! I tend to try and get things to last a month or so in general. Lucky it wasn’t full!
Interesting. I've never experienced a major spike but I have experienced sudden drops in ALK and have found that a 2 or more swing at least in my experience definitely had consequences. I wonder if a spike is not as bad as a drop. If anyone has their own experience chime in please.
This is my first “big one”. With alk I feel it’s the one time it’s best to correct it quicker than slowly like most things
Corals don’t have much interest in what ALK is as long as there is Calcium to supplement it and in balance with the available carbonates. I always tell reefers to monitor the low range of alk and not to chase the high number. A tank with a large coral/bio load can consume all the carbonates available in the water column in a days photoperiod or less… The coral keeps synthesizing and if the carbonates are gone skin will peel because of the buoyancy of saltwater deposited below the tissue has none of the concrete that the coral anchors down.
I've heard of tanks running at 14, and tanks running at 7. Do we know exactly why a sudden Alk swing negatively affects coral?
I don’t know the science behind it. Only hear stories about swings and deaths from others. So far so good in my tank
Why wouldn’t you turn the lights on for the coral to suck up that alk?
Once I had the alk down to 11 I let it fall naturally. Not sure on the first path if there is any logic but I felt like if I didn’t let them photosynthesis then maybe they wouldn’t notice 😂
Is it best to drop the ALK back down as quickly as possible back to normal or gradually bring it back down? never dealt with something like this before, good luck with everything and I hope everything is ok
Lol nevermind, I sent this comment before watching the whole video lol
Most things gradual. Alk I feel quicker is best
How's your tank been since the alk swing? Also how much Kalkwasser are you dosing per day?
what is your radion set up? By that I mean, do you run all blues and purple at 100% and everything else single digits?
I’ll do a video on it for next week :)
Follow up on this? How is everything now?
Surprisingly well! Only one sps that was encrusting on my rock that has receded back. (May or May not be related). No other corals missed a best
@@ReefDudes Amazing! Thanks for the update.
you using radion g6 pro or blue ?
Pros for me
What did your ph go upto at 14 dkh?
I was dosing from an airplane with crappy data. Flicked it on waited a minute flicked it off. Apparently the off signal didn’t make it back to the tank before I lost signal and kept on dosing until the res was dry
What was you calcium at? I've done a similar thing once and it bottomed out my calcium because it participated out. It looked like there was a snowstorm in the tank.
I think you took the right actions but only time will tell. I hope everything survives!
Fingers crossed! Ca dropped to 328 when the alk peaked
Probably a good move leaving the light off. Don't wake up the children, get it fixed before they notice🤣
Lol right?! That’s my unscientific theory too!
How is your Copperband with your softer corals???
So far I have not had any issues (except acan/Micromussa) one tank he doesn’t care the one in the other picked at them
It happened to me on magnesium.
It almost empty the 1 liter.😢
Dang! Did the inverts make it?
Do not make adjustments when away from the tank, ✅ Good lesson for everyone. Hope you dodged a bullet. By the looks of things, I'm sure you'll be fine. Whew!
So far so good!!!!
Man, I can hardly believe that you didn’t have a full blown disaster in your hands. Go buy a lottery ticket haha!
The tank new my bday was coming! Fingers crossed but so far no fallout
@@ReefDudes haha that’s kind of it ;)
How reliable are your Trident readings?
I feel that have been pretty accurate From my random spot test comparisons
How much alk do you use a day
6800ml though the kalk reactor. 40ml/min vía carx and 85 ml a day ish of alk
Tank consume about 1.5dkh per day
😲
How much did your ph increase?
8.3 was the peak so not bad at all
Your pumps ??
What about them?
Ouch
Yep. I agree!
Just proof that alk swing kill corals is a myth 😊
Lol not something I would want to make a habit of
Looks like less torches now? Did they decide to hate the KFC thing and die off?
There is a few heads on my sand bed and some in my office tank. I trimmed off the few dead ones to clean it up when I did it.
Where is you ph at?
8.3 was the peak
So what did your ph go up to ?
Only 8.3 ish surprisingly. It was dosed over a few hours thankfully