Ghetsis making N the public figurehead of Team Plasma was a really good plan because if the authorities took down the organization, he'd easily get away because he operates it from the shadows. As for Giovanni, he pretty much had the guards block every entrance into Saffron through bribery, the main reason is what lies in the city, that being Silph. And as shown in Episode 2 of Generations, the Rocket Grunts who were arrested refused to snitch about their boss
Regardless of their intellect, Ghetsis is easily the most evil of the Team Leaders. He may say that RR Giovanni is pure evil in USUM, but that descriptor lies solely with Ghetsis.
7:03 word of god said Ghetsis went into a vegetative state from having his plans foiled twice, that's why he can't do anything anymore. it's why the shadow triad actually get mad at the player when they usually keep their emotions suppressed, he was broken so much they can't even fix him.
Ghetsis having a meltdown makes sense to me. Man played the long game for YEARS, molding a child to essentially be his puppet, all the while his sanity was never truly intact. (Which could have something to do with the fact his entire right side of his body seems fucked up) only for, as he puts it, losing to some unknown trainer not once, but twice.
To never, in all that time, think there was even the slightest possibility that he could lose? That's not a smart move to me. Always have a backup plan, especially if you're plotting for decades.
I actually think that the smartest villain isn’t even a villain in the traditional sense, yet they’re still so diabolical and tactical. You see, in the north-westernmost house of snowpoint city-
I think another point to be added to Giovanni's brilliance is that he is the Viridian city gym leader at the same time as being the biggest mafia boss of kanto and he pretty much willingly gives up his position as the gym leader not by anyone catching onto his schemes except the protagonist of the game even when he takes over a literal city (I'm sure it's because pokemon developers didn't think of this as that necessary especially in the first game but it's something to be noted down)
The Giovanni from Rainbow Rocket was the Giovanni of that Universe. He stepped aside so he could remain undetected, convincing Red he was done so he wouldn't be followed
Ghetsis was a terrifying force. In some ways he was trying to bring about a change with force, and the concept isn't totally odd. Because of course some people would see pokemon battling and pokeballs as wrong. It's cruel in some aspects. And using a boy he raised for the purpose as the poster child and staying behind him, just dictating it all with a team that was seriously strong on it's own. He was terrifying, and in 2 he went basically insane.
Yeah I feel like the only bosses younger than him are Guzma and Piers (before someone says Penny, Star isn't evil. Well, Yell isn't evil either but they at least did some bad things).
I think they represent three different specialisations in terms of inteligence. For Cyrus, its booksmarts, literally being intelligent enough to be able to decipher ancient murals and create the red band (forgot the name) from Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. For Ghetsis, he's cunning and tactical, manipulating the player, N, Team Plasma and even the Sages, and coming up with contigencies should they fail. Giovanni, emotionally smart. His charisma is his most obvious point, but there are other instances. In the anime, Giovanni keeps Jesse, James and Meowth around despite their incompetence, because he knows they are often travelling to hunt down Pikachu, who is always traveling with Ash. That's not to say that these three don't excel in other categories, but they are excellently smart in their own categories. But the villain who I feel would be most effective would be Giovanni because of the loyalty his group shows, even after he was defeated
Cyrus pretty much would have won in Platinum if it wasn't for Giratina showing up. Like, there wasn't a damn thing the player could do (he knows we have the Master Ball since he gave ot to us) and the Lake Guardians could only balance one Dragon. Also, Ghetsis had a solid plan too, it's the only one (aside from Giovanni) that doesn't seemingly backfire on him in Ultra, he just plain won without almost dying or needing to do some major repair to the region. It mainly fell thru because N just had to do his "two heroes" thing with the player.
Ghetsis "shell" cracks pretty early though, him constantly having to correct himself when he mislips "My Team Plasma" alot for example, and his weakness is that he believes that his intelligence can't be matched, thus he is the one who should guide and control unova, he should be the only person to use pokemon (he raised N and had him bond with one of the two unova legendaries as a deterrent to force people to release their pokemon because he knew a legendary wouldn't choose him) and that his plans are fool proof, but over the course of the story he loses grip on his plans and that's what ultimately gets him in the end, because things happened he didn't expect for all his knowledge. He also underestimates pokemon's feelings greatly, in the B2/W2 manga he vowed he wouldn't quit when he was taken down, but then pretty much was begging to go to jail when he saw tons of pokemon glaring holes at him, since he assumed he could easily control them, but he realized no they ain't having his antics, and likely would tear him apart.
@@dethtroy2185 Not really counting the manga here. Otherwise, it would probably go to Lysandre maybe? Idk. (Flare had this hidden stranglehold on Kalos there. Iirc, the protagonists efforts also went kinda unacknowledged by the civilian Trainers of Kalos too. I remember the ending being rather bittersweet anyway, but it's been a long while since I read it.) And there's a big difference between slipping around us, and slipping around N. He definitely has those character flaws tho, but ultimately, at least in the world where the player doesn't exist, things went off without a hitch apparently. (Aside from Giovanni.) It's also pretty likely he murdered N to get his Dragon, since it was lightly implied in the original BW with Hydreigon being able to counter N's whole team.
If I might say so: I think the second most intelligent villain in the entire Pokemon series as a whole is the one in your profile picture. I mean, yes: Volo isn't a team leader but, the fact he manipulated the player character to trust him as his/her best friend is something no other villain has ever done. And that makes the backstab/betrayal all the worst when it happens.
@@elizabethazzinaro8457 Yea, I agree that Volo's one of the smartest villains. I didn't even suspect him until he started getting super pushy about the plates in the postgame. Then the conversation in front of the Giratina statue confirmed them. Like, I knew there would be more to him than being a humble merchant, I just thought the Celestica stuff was it. The fact he's your apparent friend thru most of the game, initially the only other person there for you when you got banished, only to find out he's only using you (and would have killed you) really twists the knife all the more.
While people will argue Ghetsis isn't smart lets think about it. Ghetsis hid Team Plasma's main purpose for how many years and in context hid so thoroughly that it makes Team Rocket and Galaxy look like blundering idiots. And if successful in Unova his next Target is the Sinnoh legendary trio. His team is also a hard mirror of Cynthia's team. Also Rainbow Rocket was Ghetsis' idea not Geovani's.
Lol. All that effort to conceal your efforts only to have a literal castle to rise out of the ground and be utterly defeated in the next hour. Ghetsis is a manchild who crumbles the moment he hits an obstacle. Also I re-checked Ghetsis' dialogue in USUM and there is no mention or hint of him being the creator of Team RR.
He's also the only villain that was successful twice. Having him manipulate N and beating the Champion, an castle that was once ruled was back & not making one single mistake. Although it didn't last long, he did manage to complete his tasks. And he did it again in Black 2 & White 2 when he has the Fusion core item and used Kyurem to fuse with the other Legendary Dragon and freeze Unova was clever. Again. It didn't last long. But he did it.
@@jaretco6423 That is like saying Nazi Germany won WW2 because they started operation Barbarossa and caught Soviet Union by surprise. Ghetsis' goal was to take over and rule Unova in both games and he failed.
@@ExecutiveSonda he literally was just there and you stopped him minutes from the endgame. He had the storage system under control and everything. Was like stopping someone from pressing the nuke launch.
But even then, by far (There isn't even a contest), Lysandre is the dumbest of them all, cuz you already know from the start (And not only the player, Diantha and Sycamore also suspect something is fishy) that he is evil.
While sun and moon are not my favorite games, I feel like Lusamine should have gotten a mention here. She was able to establish a team that could freely operate in Alola relatively unchecked and she manipulated team skull into doing her bidding. She also was as close to achieving her goals as Cyrus, however she had the mental capacity to step away from her evil.
@@jaretco6423 That and you can say Faba played a part in that as well. But Lusamine wasn't truly evil though... she was just misunderstood and confused about Mohn being missing.
Keep in mind for gen 1 Giovanni doesn't have that bad of a team. So I don't think that should be a factor unless it's talking about how it helps them dominate their own team members. Like ground types are super effective against the poison types team rocket members usually use, making him seem even stronger as a trainer.
I would love a video where you go in depth on every villain of Pokemon. The team leaders from gens 1-6, Lusamine, Chairman Rose, and the Professors of Paldea. Why I specify gens 1-6 is because they stop being villain teams after gen 6. With Teams Yell and Team Star, they're not even bad people. Team Yell are just Spikemuth gym trainers/citizens that want someone from their hometown to become champion. And Team Star is several, probably more than 100, traumatized and bullied students who wanted revenge. It's honestly really depressing that they had to fight back and the Uva/Naranja Academy did nothing.
All three are definitely smart. With how much planning Giovanni has done in the games and anime, he certainly knows what he’s gotta do. There’s also the manga where he recruited Koga, Lt. Surge, and Sabrina and was one of like three or four people who could communicate with and possibly heal Pokémon. Lance and Yellow being the others and possibly Silver. Now, as a side note, I feel like Chairman Rose is a smart guy. I won’t say be was the best antagonist, or the most patient, but with his did know what he wanted and how to go about it.
Rose is held back by his impulsiveness and egomania but yeah, he's a super smart guy. He built Macro Cosmos from nothing (he was born into poverty) and his entire Pokémon team is structured around taking down Eternatus, which means he had to have sussed out what type it was, something that likely wasn't recorded to history.
@@BJGvideos For sure. Ego and impulsivity certainly lead to his own idea. And I do think the potential was there. Especially since his motive was solid. Now, I know he’s not the best antagonist or the most popular, however, the potential was there.
@@BJGvideos They’re fun games for sure. At least in my opinion. But yeah, some elements of the plot needed something. Maybe keep the whole Rose wanting prevent the energy crisis, and in his attempt to “make Leon the hero” he maybe turns Leon into the villain. And the MC and Hop have to stop/save Leon.
I know he's not a team leader but Volo was definitely one of the smartest Pokemon villains of all time. Especially since he manipulated the protagonists to do all the hard stuff for him and convinced him/her that he was the only friend he/she had! Only to betray them! What other Pokemon villain has done that?!
@@Omar-sg5re Yeah of course he is. But the video specifies evil team leaders. If it was villains in general then maybe (and the professors would qualify as well).
The giovanni from rainbow rocket also arrives in Masters where he is shown to be more smart as he was able to manipulate Rose (which is not a big feat i know cause rose is just too stupid) but he was able to use other teams for his own advantage to gather info from all over the island and the fact that he is still so calm even though no team is working under him makes me feel uncomfortable
Cyrus is undeniably the most scientifically intelligent, and I was gonna say Ghetsis is the most calculating but I totally forgot about Rainbow Rocket and you've convinced me that that title goes to Giovanni, but I still think Ghetsis is THE evil mastermind of the Pokeverse.
I think that Giovanni has a weaker team compared to - for example - Ghetsis is more a sign of its time than Giovanni's flaws. There just wasn't that much useful stuff to choose from for a Gen 1 ground type specialist. Also, the Persian needed to be included in some version as he has one in the anime for obvious reasons. On the other hand, he is one of the few characters who has access to legendaries. I think what speaks for him is the fact that he has been a gym leader for years without anyone noticing that there's something wrong with him - and the strongest leader of his region on top of that (at least according to rank, we all know that the true big boss here is Sabrina). Of course, the methods Ghetsis uses can be considered smarter. But I think Giovanni had the bigger impact and was overall more successful as his goal was more grounded.
Maxie was the only one in the games who realised how Hoenn had too much water. His methods may have been too much, and he may have tried to use the Blue orb on the red Pokemon, but still.
This is so cool!!! I never going into the in-game Evil Teams in so much depth it is very cool and interesting!!! Would you ever consider going into depth into the Best Pokémon (Stats, Moves) for Pokémon Contest? Or going into depths on opinions between Pokémon Contest and Pokémon Showcases? While Ash and Pikachu will forever be iconic. It would be interesting seeing female protagonist’s goals highlighted!! While looking at stats in a different view point (cute, beauty, coolness etc)
Why judge the female leads on their looks...? That's kinda skeevy. Also best female lead is Mitsumi from Diamond and Pearl Adventure don't at me. Or on second thought please at me I love to talk about her.
Giovanni he is the jack of all trades rather than a master of 1 character. Unlike the other villain bosses that can't go through with there plans because they didn't think it through(team yell), could not adapt to something going wrong with there plans(team magma, Aqua), understanding outside factors that could effect the plan(team galactic), being a grunt for a bigger bad(team skull), losing their minds trying during the plan or after be defeated (team plasma and lusamine). Giovanni is the only villain boss that retreats to return in the future more prepared, not putting all his resources behind 1 plan, has back up plans and built a team that even without him can still function. There may be smarter bosses in 1 thing but he is smarter all around. I'm not counting team star as they aren't really a evil team as they don't do anything but recruit new members and skip school to stay in there bases. And I don't even know what team flare was trying to do as in the first half it's get money by selling fossils and taking over the pokeball factor then it becomes out of nowhere activate a ancient weapon to destroy current Society (had to google this).
Giovanni IMO, he's the only one that tried a multi-dimensional scheme and he did manage to be the leader of all the evil teams at some point. Gen 1 for the win! And yes, other than him, Ghetsis is pretty much up there as well. He's also the scariest villain we ever had in pokemon (because of N, I don't want to imagine how he was treated to end up the way he did).
He wasn't really the leader since they weren't really all on the same page or anything, they all wanted to carry out their own plots, and Ghetsis was 100% planning on manipulating Giovanni like he did N. (That said, Gio would have definitely caught on to that.) I kinda get the vibe Gio more or less rescued some of them and just left them to their own devices in their rooms. (I think if we had any actual interaction between the bosses in that arc, there would have been an active WAR there by the time the player got there.)
@@13CrystalHeart I kinda hope this whole Rainbow Rocket event will get a special someday, either in the adventures manga or as a special episode of the animated show. Ghetsis trying to manipulate Giovanni is something I really want to see now XD
@@c0mpu73rguyThat would be hype. I wish we got more interactions between them in the games, but at the same time, given the conflicting goals and personalities, it probably would be very chaotic. Archie and Maxie were ready to fight upon seeing each other, Cyrus (given his motive that he was abused) would probably despise Ghetsis if he learned about N (who was also emotionally abused), Ghetsis and Giovanni are the sort of greedy, oppressive people Lysandre hates most (to a murderous degree), and then there's already the Giovanni and Ghetsis manipulating each other thing I mentioned. The power plays and backstabbing would really make it fun to watch.
One of the other smartest villans( although not a team leader) has to be Volo. How he gets the player to collect all the plates to find out he has the last one and has giratina on his side is crazy.
Giovanni, mainly because of his pragmatism and you brought up good points about Team Rocket's devotion to him. Plus, as you said, he *did* funded the creation of the world's strongest Pokemon that could rival Rayquaza and Arceus(without the Legend Plate) in raw power.
We don't know that the original Professors who built the protocol, ignored their son, and put all of the world in danger for an objectively dumb goal: weren't evil.
Penny is EASILY the smartest of all the Team Leaders. First, she had two goals. One, she had a plan to stop the bullying at the academy and two, she saved Team Star from expulsion TWICE. Second, she had smaller scale goals than even Giovanni. And you better believe that THAT is saying something. Third, she accomplished all her goals. She even saved Team Star the second time BECAUSE of the player character. She also thought ahead so that Operation Starfall could take place when it was needed. And even after she confessed ALL of her sins, (like hacking and stealing money from the league) Geeta herself was so impressed that she employed Penny to keep future hackers out. And Team Star is STILL active, sort of. Needless to say, she is the smartest and she isn't even malicious.
I’d have to go with Giovanni…more so due to teams…whereas Cyrus and Ghetsis have aces that gained a weakness in Fairy types (Sure RR Ghetsis in Ultra Sun’s ace Reshiram resists Fairy type and Ghetsis has Bisharp to counter Fairy types, but with the other version Ace having a weakness… yeah. XD;;) Giovanni has to Mega Evolve Mewtwo to get a Fairy type weakness on it, and whose to say you’ll have a fairy type before you get to Mewtwo as he has Poison types.
Giovanni really kept Jesse and James on Team Rocket despite the millions they must have spent with all their ideas to catch Pikachu 😂 Doesn't seem very smart to me
None of them, since they all lose, but if i have to choose, its going to be Giovanni, since its the only Evil Team and Team Leader who hasn't been brought down by Ash Ketchum (If we take the anime into account) Giovanni not having the strongest team is obviously because he had acces to a limited amount of Pokemon anyways.
I think a cool video is who is the smartest and dumbest NOT leaders. So Admins and Rocket Executives and Plumeria type stuff. I don't know if there is enough lore for them though...
Pretty sure its Penny, girl literally stole money from the pokemon league, she was so good at it, they gave her a slap on the wrist and asked her to help them with some stuff. Yeah I get it not an actual villain but still.
All team leaders are good and intelligent but ig best of all are ghetsis being good in public, Giovanni to build the strongest pokemon and Cyrus for going to the world he wanted to go :)
The smartest "evil" team leader is the leader who succeeded. Now they might be the least evil team but the leader did successfully accomplished their goal, not once but twice. So gotta give it to Penny. So smart that even the league acknowledged her. Bonus points for the veevee team.
First off: Team Star isn't an evil team. However, using that argument, the Aether Paradise wasn't an evil team either, we just had Lusamine being evil (And Faba to a lesser extent, but then we had Wicke to counter that).
And she's even younger than Cyrus. Her brain is enormous and it's not even fully developed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't she accomplish the second goal BECAUSE of the player?
Hot take: Team Galactic were stupid and the only reason Cyrus made it as far as he did was the extreme levels of plot armor somehow making god-tier legendaries even dumber. Considering what Sinnoh lore entails, there is no way at all he should have gotten as far as he did.
Also, Any butchery made to human characters in the series cannot overshadow the extreme butchery done in the execution of gods who were meant to define all of Pokemon lore and the universe(s) they shaped; Pokemon who were meant to be at the very pinnacle in terms of power-level. These Pokemon make digging into the lore feel meaningless at times because the games / movies expressed ridiculous amounts of plot armor against the entire lake trio, creation trio, and Arceus, in a manner either not as present or not as severe as in any other generation's media. Every time I bring this up people are like "isn't every Pokemon story like this?" The answer is no. No other generation gets this ludicrous amount of plot-induced stupidity. For example, in Gen 6's case, Team Flare was able to get a hold of Xerneas/Yveltal by sneaking them into their base while they were sleep. Lysandre tried to get their life energy drained but they eventually woke up on their own, broke free from the weapon, took back their life energy, and showed Lysandre who was boss. - okay that's actually reasonable. In Gen 3, Archie and Maxie raided building after building ran by human communities everywhere in order to gather the resources needed to access the legendary box art. They've obtained the resources and then reached out to Kyogre/Groudon, who then proceeded to break free, go out of control, and show Archie and Maxie who's boss - this is also reasonable. A similar thing happened with BW as with Gen 3 except a legendary Pokemon willingly sided with the main antagonist of the game. N did not attempt to force Reshiram/Zekrom under his control. In B2W2, Kyurem was captured and used. Okay sure, but conceptually, Kyurem is a soulless empty shell of a Pokemon deprived of any motivation to do anything but eat and sleep. It needs help. It needs to see the light in truth or ideals in order to gain the motivation to do something. This is a reasonable explanation for how Kyurem managed to get captured and used by Team Plasma in B2W2. Additionally, Kyurem was designed to be nowhere near the level of deities that control time, space, or all of existence. Kyurem is just able to freeze the world with ice. Not shape up entire universes or define the entire nature of Pokemon as we know it. In Gen 7 the only legendaries captured by human antagonists were baby Pokemon. Aside from that, Necrozma managed to get control of Solgaleo/Lunala but Necrozma was designed to be a force above them anyway. Gens 1 and 2 didn't really use their legendaries much in the plot aside from making them glorified trophies. Gen 9 turned their legendaries into glorified regular Pokemon with little substance. Gen 8 simply had legendary Pokemon do their jobs. Nothing more. Team Galactic were actively messing with Pokemon gods, whether it was Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit, Palkia, or Dialga. Almost all of them canonically had the power to see what Galactic were doing well ahead of time and intervene. All 5 of these Pokemon had every capability possible to avoid the situations they were stuck in. Uxie could dismantle Team Galactic just by opening its eyes and even know what Galactic were doing before the team even reached it. Azelf can manipulate or remove their will, even control them for its own desires. Mesprit could play around with their emotions. All 3 could've done the exact same thing they usually do when you see them; just randomly disappear into somewhere far away. They could have done that to escape as the very last resort if that was ever needed, which it wasn't. Dialga is the embodiment of time. The literal nanosecond it appeared out of its portal it could have ended up in 50 different points of time simultaneously to stop Team Galactic from ever getting a hold of the Red Chain. Palkia could've just erased Cyrus within that same timeframe. Giratina was just shoehorned into the same climax as DP to save the day, with no real explanation until [B]13 years[/B] later with Legends Arceus.
@@BJGvideos serving as the embodiment of all space and time and/or being able to handle Pokémon serving in that role makes these creatures above every Pokémon but Arceus
Cyrus is way smarter and half the age of Ghetsis. The L's Ghetsis took were severe, lost twice and his whole team/son left him. As you said he had a lack luster goal compared to what Cyrus tried to achieve. Ghetsis is not that smart. Not mentioning Lysandre, but Ghetsis is a crime.
Well I don’t disagree that Giovanni is a very smart guy. Partly this is because team rocket (unlike the other evil teams) has a presence in most of the regions and therefore more than likely interacts with the other evil teams. Of course Giovanni is the original evil team leader and that goes a LONG way with me. As far as him not having personally created mewtwo that is true but he provided the funding, facilities, a good portion of the inspiration, and found a scientific team skilled enough to produce mewtwo (albeit after many failed attempts and some horrendous experiments) so that puts him in a class all his own. As far as Cyrus his lack of passion is a weakness but it also means his hatred of the human spirit wouldn’t apply to himself. Cyrus though is more of a quiet megalomaniac since his goal is to create a whole new universe rather subjugation of the current world order. I honestly don’t remember ghetsis very well so I won’t say anything about him.
The newer teams are not my cup of tea! I wonder what also happened to the shadow triad, because I totally like them, they are cool! But why being royal to Ghetsis?
Got to be Archie. Literally contradicts himself with his goals. Yeah lets increase the words oceans by flooding the planet with the power of Kyogre... Oh no Kyogre is flooding the planet i got it wrong player please stop Kyogre 🤦🏻♂️
Team Skull technically isn't even an Evil Team anyways, since all the members are just misunderstood. Team Skull appears in Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon. As revealed by some of their members, Team Skull is composed of misfits who failed the island challenge. They steal Pokémon from people, but unlike previous villainous teams, they do not have a specific goal other than to cause trouble and acquire enough money to support themselves. In stark contrast to previous villainous teams, they do not pose a serious threat to the wellbeing of Alola and its residents, the majority of whom consider them thuggish nuisances at worst. We haven't gotten a true evil team since gen 6 (Team Yell, Team Star, Team Skull, Aether Foundation and Macros Cosmos aren't exactly evil teams either, its just their bosses that are evil and then with Macros Cosmos, they only fight the player character and Hop, not because they are evil, but because they are told to do so by Oleana, who isn't evil either, just devoted to Rose. Its basically the same for Aether Foundation and Team Skull (Guzma is literally manipulated by Lusamine, who herself isn't truly evil either). If we need to talk about dumb leaders/villains, its probably Lysandre thats the dumbest, considering both Sycamore and Diantha also suspect something is fishy, but they cannot actually pinpoint what it is. Heck, the evil villains in the games aren't the evil leaders, its the professors, Mustard and his wife honey. This is due to the professors and Honey only saying you can choose only one starter Pokemon (Locking you out of the other 2, which especially is a nuisance obtaining them in early games) and Mustard only gives you one Kubfu, while their are 2 forms.
The team yell people when in their gym trainer uniform is an image which haunts my nightmares. Thank goodness they never disbanded so I don't have to look at gym trainer Joshua ever again
Lusamine tbh is my pick, she runs both a cult via Aether Foundation and manipulates the leader of Team skull to be an open antagonist so she could get her overarching plans done without much resistance. she essentially manipulated dual layers of a plan by herself and essentially succeeded the player undid her work not stopped it.
@@BJGvideos kinda feels like it is fine if not a cult then a company built upon false pretense that is actually an evil mad scientist organization that puts pokemon into suspended sleep as a menagerie to perform ultra space studies. People totally were considering Aether foundation as some salvation for pokemon but that was not at all how it was.
Lusamine isn't evil though, neither is Guzma. Both are just misunderstood characters. If we need to mark someone in SUMO evil, its probably Faba (He gets demoted for a reason).
@@nickdentoom1173 Lusamine may not be inherently evil at her core, but she did INEXCUSABLY evil things during her bout with madness. She got better and worked to atone for what she had done, but the scars of her actions are going to remain in especially her children for the rest of their lives.
@@BJGvideos I mean, thats true. But that doesn't mean she is evil, just that she has a dark side (Just like Guzma, who isn't evil either). Lysandre was the last true Evil character in the games until Turo and Sada.
Ghetsis making N the public figurehead of Team Plasma was a really good plan because if the authorities took down the organization, he'd easily get away because he operates it from the shadows. As for Giovanni, he pretty much had the guards block every entrance into Saffron through bribery, the main reason is what lies in the city, that being Silph. And as shown in Episode 2 of Generations, the Rocket Grunts who were arrested refused to snitch about their boss
I wonder if a captured N would ever mention that he had a regent or if that would be something he was trained to never bring up
Regardless of their intellect, Ghetsis is easily the most evil of the Team Leaders. He may say that RR Giovanni is pure evil in USUM, but that descriptor lies solely with Ghetsis.
Oh totally. The only villain who even comes CLOSE to being as evil as Ghetsis is Purple Eyes from Ranger 3.
7:03 word of god said Ghetsis went into a vegetative state from having his plans foiled twice, that's why he can't do anything anymore. it's why the shadow triad actually get mad at the player when they usually keep their emotions suppressed, he was broken so much they can't even fix him.
Ghetsis having a meltdown makes sense to me. Man played the long game for YEARS, molding a child to essentially be his puppet, all the while his sanity was never truly intact. (Which could have something to do with the fact his entire right side of his body seems fucked up) only for, as he puts it, losing to some unknown trainer not once, but twice.
To never, in all that time, think there was even the slightest possibility that he could lose? That's not a smart move to me. Always have a backup plan, especially if you're plotting for decades.
I actually think that the smartest villain isn’t even a villain in the traditional sense, yet they’re still so diabolical and tactical. You see, in the north-westernmost house of snowpoint city-
........her????
@@shenalkagunasekera2574 Her.
So cruel
Oh....yeah her. Probably the devil incarnate IMO
The haunted girl!?
I think another point to be added to Giovanni's brilliance is that he is the Viridian city gym leader at the same time as being the biggest mafia boss of kanto and he pretty much willingly gives up his position as the gym leader not by anyone catching onto his schemes except the protagonist of the game even when he takes over a literal city (I'm sure it's because pokemon developers didn't think of this as that necessary especially in the first game but it's something to be noted down)
The Giovanni from Rainbow Rocket was the Giovanni of that Universe. He stepped aside so he could remain undetected, convincing Red he was done so he wouldn't be followed
Of course Giovanni is down to earth...he's a Ground-Type specialist.
Ghetsis was a terrifying force. In some ways he was trying to bring about a change with force, and the concept isn't totally odd. Because of course some people would see pokemon battling and pokeballs as wrong. It's cruel in some aspects. And using a boy he raised for the purpose as the poster child and staying behind him, just dictating it all with a team that was seriously strong on it's own. He was terrifying, and in 2 he went basically insane.
Pretty sure Cyrus is also among the youngest of evil team leaders, since Looker said he was 27 in Platinum
Yeah I feel like the only bosses younger than him are Guzma and Piers (before someone says Penny, Star isn't evil. Well, Yell isn't evil either but they at least did some bad things).
@@BJGvideos I wouldn't really call Guzma evil either, Team Skull were outcasts, not evil
@@brendanboomhour7606 Guzma was so violent that the rest of the team was terrified of him, and Skull engaged in a kidnapping.
Team Skull took over an entire town. Ousting the entire population
dang, i turn 27 this year. i’m slacking
I think they represent three different specialisations in terms of inteligence. For Cyrus, its booksmarts, literally being intelligent enough to be able to decipher ancient murals and create the red band (forgot the name) from Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. For Ghetsis, he's cunning and tactical, manipulating the player, N, Team Plasma and even the Sages, and coming up with contigencies should they fail. Giovanni, emotionally smart. His charisma is his most obvious point, but there are other instances. In the anime, Giovanni keeps Jesse, James and Meowth around despite their incompetence, because he knows they are often travelling to hunt down Pikachu, who is always traveling with Ash. That's not to say that these three don't excel in other categories, but they are excellently smart in their own categories. But the villain who I feel would be most effective would be Giovanni because of the loyalty his group shows, even after he was defeated
Red Chain.
Does Giovanni even know Ash exists for the majority of the story?
@@BJGvideos ....Now that you mention it probably not. But he does know about Pikachu at least. I remember them mentioning Pikachu in their reports
@@jackfdhunter7036 I know in BW they got given a lot of power because they got Gio to believe that they were instrumental in taking down Galactic.
Cyrus pretty much would have won in Platinum if it wasn't for Giratina showing up. Like, there wasn't a damn thing the player could do (he knows we have the Master Ball since he gave ot to us) and the Lake Guardians could only balance one Dragon.
Also, Ghetsis had a solid plan too, it's the only one (aside from Giovanni) that doesn't seemingly backfire on him in Ultra, he just plain won without almost dying or needing to do some major repair to the region. It mainly fell thru because N just had to do his "two heroes" thing with the player.
Trueee if it were the real world, then the villain would have won right?
Ghetsis "shell" cracks pretty early though, him constantly having to correct himself when he mislips "My Team Plasma" alot for example, and his weakness is that he believes that his intelligence can't be matched, thus he is the one who should guide and control unova, he should be the only person to use pokemon (he raised N and had him bond with one of the two unova legendaries as a deterrent to force people to release their pokemon because he knew a legendary wouldn't choose him) and that his plans are fool proof, but over the course of the story he loses grip on his plans and that's what ultimately gets him in the end, because things happened he didn't expect for all his knowledge.
He also underestimates pokemon's feelings greatly, in the B2/W2 manga he vowed he wouldn't quit when he was taken down, but then pretty much was begging to go to jail when he saw tons of pokemon glaring holes at him, since he assumed he could easily control them, but he realized no they ain't having his antics, and likely would tear him apart.
@@dethtroy2185 Not really counting the manga here. Otherwise, it would probably go to Lysandre maybe? Idk. (Flare had this hidden stranglehold on Kalos there. Iirc, the protagonists efforts also went kinda unacknowledged by the civilian Trainers of Kalos too. I remember the ending being rather bittersweet anyway, but it's been a long while since I read it.)
And there's a big difference between slipping around us, and slipping around N. He definitely has those character flaws tho, but ultimately, at least in the world where the player doesn't exist, things went off without a hitch apparently. (Aside from Giovanni.) It's also pretty likely he murdered N to get his Dragon, since it was lightly implied in the original BW with Hydreigon being able to counter N's whole team.
If I might say so: I think the second most intelligent villain in the entire Pokemon series as a whole is the one in your profile picture.
I mean, yes: Volo isn't a team leader but, the fact he manipulated the player character to trust him as his/her best friend is something no other villain has ever done. And that makes the backstab/betrayal all the worst when it happens.
@@elizabethazzinaro8457 Yea, I agree that Volo's one of the smartest villains.
I didn't even suspect him until he started getting super pushy about the plates in the postgame. Then the conversation in front of the Giratina statue confirmed them.
Like, I knew there would be more to him than being a humble merchant, I just thought the Celestica stuff was it. The fact he's your apparent friend thru most of the game, initially the only other person there for you when you got banished, only to find out he's only using you (and would have killed you) really twists the knife all the more.
While people will argue Ghetsis isn't smart lets think about it. Ghetsis hid Team Plasma's main purpose for how many years and in context hid so thoroughly that it makes Team Rocket and Galaxy look like blundering idiots. And if successful in Unova his next Target is the Sinnoh legendary trio. His team is also a hard mirror of Cynthia's team. Also Rainbow Rocket was Ghetsis' idea not Geovani's.
Lol. All that effort to conceal your efforts only to have a literal castle to rise out of the ground and be utterly defeated in the next hour. Ghetsis is a manchild who crumbles the moment he hits an obstacle. Also I re-checked Ghetsis' dialogue in USUM and there is no mention or hint of him being the creator of Team RR.
@@ExecutiveSonda to be fair he was close enough to getting his crowning moment and you just happened to be there.
He's also the only villain that was successful twice. Having him manipulate N and beating the Champion, an castle that was once ruled was back & not making one single mistake. Although it didn't last long, he did manage to complete his tasks. And he did it again in Black 2 & White 2 when he has the Fusion core item and used Kyurem to fuse with the other Legendary Dragon and freeze Unova was clever. Again. It didn't last long. But he did it.
@@jaretco6423 That is like saying Nazi Germany won WW2 because they started operation Barbarossa and caught Soviet Union by surprise. Ghetsis' goal was to take over and rule Unova in both games and he failed.
@@ExecutiveSonda he literally was just there and you stopped him minutes from the endgame. He had the storage system under control and everything. Was like stopping someone from pressing the nuke launch.
Id assumed this would have been like, a ranking of team leaders' intelligence, and was waiting for the Archie and Maxie roast lol
Ikr, bottom of the barrel for sure. How do you manage ecoterrorism if you haven't even passed basic earth science?
But even then, by far (There isn't even a contest), Lysandre is the dumbest of them all, cuz you already know from the start (And not only the player, Diantha and Sycamore also suspect something is fishy) that he is evil.
While sun and moon are not my favorite games, I feel like Lusamine should have gotten a mention here. She was able to establish a team that could freely operate in Alola relatively unchecked and she manipulated team skull into doing her bidding. She also was as close to achieving her goals as Cyrus, however she had the mental capacity to step away from her evil.
To be fair when Lusamine set up shop in Alola, she didn't have an evil plan yet. That didn't happen until after Mohn was taken by Ultra Beasts
@@jaretco6423 No she wasn't. The toxin didn't remove her free will.
@@jaretco6423 That and you can say Faba played a part in that as well.
But Lusamine wasn't truly evil though... she was just misunderstood and confused about Mohn being missing.
Keep in mind for gen 1 Giovanni doesn't have that bad of a team. So I don't think that should be a factor unless it's talking about how it helps them dominate their own team members. Like ground types are super effective against the poison types team rocket members usually use, making him seem even stronger as a trainer.
I would love a video where you go in depth on every villain of Pokemon. The team leaders from gens 1-6, Lusamine, Chairman Rose, and the Professors of Paldea. Why I specify gens 1-6 is because they stop being villain teams after gen 6. With Teams Yell and Team Star, they're not even bad people. Team Yell are just Spikemuth gym trainers/citizens that want someone from their hometown to become champion. And Team Star is several, probably more than 100, traumatized and bullied students who wanted revenge. It's honestly really depressing that they had to fight back and the Uva/Naranja Academy did nothing.
You forgot one in your mention: Volo.
Team Yell was the point I gave up on Game Freaks ability to make a good story anymore
Ngl, this is exactly how I would order the most intelligent villains.
All three are definitely smart. With how much planning Giovanni has done in the games and anime, he certainly knows what he’s gotta do. There’s also the manga where he recruited Koga, Lt. Surge, and Sabrina and was one of like three or four people who could communicate with and possibly heal Pokémon. Lance and Yellow being the others and possibly Silver.
Now, as a side note, I feel like Chairman Rose is a smart guy. I won’t say be was the best antagonist, or the most patient, but with his did know what he wanted and how to go about it.
Rose is held back by his impulsiveness and egomania but yeah, he's a super smart guy. He built Macro Cosmos from nothing (he was born into poverty) and his entire Pokémon team is structured around taking down Eternatus, which means he had to have sussed out what type it was, something that likely wasn't recorded to history.
@@BJGvideos For sure. Ego and impulsivity certainly lead to his own idea. And I do think the potential was there. Especially since his motive was solid. Now, I know he’s not the best antagonist or the most popular, however, the potential was there.
@@Grimmjowluver123 Oh totally. SwSh was good characters wandering around in search of a plot.
@@BJGvideos They’re fun games for sure. At least in my opinion. But yeah, some elements of the plot needed something.
Maybe keep the whole Rose wanting prevent the energy crisis, and in his attempt to “make Leon the hero” he maybe turns Leon into the villain. And the MC and Hop have to stop/save Leon.
@@Grimmjowluver123 Twisting a naive person into the villain would be interesting.
I know he's not a team leader but Volo was definitely one of the smartest Pokemon villains of all time. Especially since he manipulated the protagonists to do all the hard stuff for him and convinced him/her that he was the only friend he/she had! Only to betray them!
What other Pokemon villain has done that?!
I think volo deserved an honorable mention at least
He's not a leader though
@@BJGvideos good point but he’s still a villain
@@Omar-sg5re Yeah of course he is. But the video specifies evil team leaders. If it was villains in general then maybe (and the professors would qualify as well).
Evice & Greevil from Colosseum & XD: Gale of Darkness are really intelligent the whole Shadow Pokemon project was well thought out by Cipher
The giovanni from rainbow rocket also arrives in Masters where he is shown to be more smart as he was able to manipulate Rose (which is not a big feat i know cause rose is just too stupid) but he was able to use other teams for his own advantage to gather info from all over the island and the fact that he is still so calm even though no team is working under him makes me feel uncomfortable
Is that a different series?
Masters is not cannon.
Its always the charismatic villains that are the most dangerous.
Cyrus is undeniably the most scientifically intelligent, and I was gonna say Ghetsis is the most calculating but I totally forgot about Rainbow Rocket and you've convinced me that that title goes to Giovanni, but I still think Ghetsis is THE evil mastermind of the Pokeverse.
The most scientifically intelligent is a bit of a debate because we don't know if the professors created the time machine or just got it working.
@@BJGvideos I actually haven't played S/V yet so lol
@@BJGvideosdidnt know sada/turo were teamleaders
THANK YOU, I’ve been waiting for someone to make this video for years.👌
I think that Giovanni has a weaker team compared to - for example - Ghetsis is more a sign of its time than Giovanni's flaws. There just wasn't that much useful stuff to choose from for a Gen 1 ground type specialist. Also, the Persian needed to be included in some version as he has one in the anime for obvious reasons. On the other hand, he is one of the few characters who has access to legendaries. I think what speaks for him is the fact that he has been a gym leader for years without anyone noticing that there's something wrong with him - and the strongest leader of his region on top of that (at least according to rank, we all know that the true big boss here is Sabrina). Of course, the methods Ghetsis uses can be considered smarter. But I think Giovanni had the bigger impact and was overall more successful as his goal was more grounded.
Maxie was the only one in the games who realised how Hoenn had too much water. His methods may have been too much, and he may have tried to use the Blue orb on the red Pokemon, but still.
This is so cool!!! I never going into the in-game Evil Teams in so much depth it is very cool and interesting!!!
Would you ever consider going into depth into the Best Pokémon (Stats, Moves) for Pokémon Contest? Or going into depths on opinions between Pokémon Contest and Pokémon Showcases?
While Ash and Pikachu will forever be iconic. It would be interesting seeing female protagonist’s goals highlighted!! While looking at stats in a different view point (cute, beauty, coolness etc)
Contests and Musicals would be interesting
Why judge the female leads on their looks...? That's kinda skeevy.
Also best female lead is Mitsumi from Diamond and Pearl Adventure don't at me. Or on second thought please at me I love to talk about her.
Giovanni he is the jack of all trades rather than a master of 1 character. Unlike the other villain bosses that can't go through with there plans because they didn't think it through(team yell), could not adapt to something going wrong with there plans(team magma, Aqua), understanding outside factors that could effect the plan(team galactic), being a grunt for a bigger bad(team skull), losing their minds trying during the plan or after be defeated (team plasma and lusamine). Giovanni is the only villain boss that retreats to return in the future more prepared, not putting all his resources behind 1 plan, has back up plans and built a team that even without him can still function. There may be smarter bosses in 1 thing but he is smarter all around.
I'm not counting team star as they aren't really a evil team as they don't do anything but recruit new members and skip school to stay in there bases. And I don't even know what team flare was trying to do as in the first half it's get money by selling fossils and taking over the pokeball factor then it becomes out of nowhere activate a ancient weapon to destroy current Society (had to google this).
Giovanni IMO, he's the only one that tried a multi-dimensional scheme and he did manage to be the leader of all the evil teams at some point. Gen 1 for the win! And yes, other than him, Ghetsis is pretty much up there as well. He's also the scariest villain we ever had in pokemon (because of N, I don't want to imagine how he was treated to end up the way he did).
He wasn't really the leader since they weren't really all on the same page or anything, they all wanted to carry out their own plots, and Ghetsis was 100% planning on manipulating Giovanni like he did N. (That said, Gio would have definitely caught on to that.)
I kinda get the vibe Gio more or less rescued some of them and just left them to their own devices in their rooms. (I think if we had any actual interaction between the bosses in that arc, there would have been an active WAR there by the time the player got there.)
@@13CrystalHeart I kinda hope this whole Rainbow Rocket event will get a special someday, either in the adventures manga or as a special episode of the animated show.
Ghetsis trying to manipulate Giovanni is something I really want to see now XD
@@c0mpu73rguyThat would be hype. I wish we got more interactions between them in the games, but at the same time, given the conflicting goals and personalities, it probably would be very chaotic.
Archie and Maxie were ready to fight upon seeing each other, Cyrus (given his motive that he was abused) would probably despise Ghetsis if he learned about N (who was also emotionally abused), Ghetsis and Giovanni are the sort of greedy, oppressive people Lysandre hates most (to a murderous degree), and then there's already the Giovanni and Ghetsis manipulating each other thing I mentioned.
The power plays and backstabbing would really make it fun to watch.
One of the other smartest villans( although not a team leader) has to be Volo. How he gets the player to collect all the plates to find out he has the last one and has giratina on his side is crazy.
Thank you! Yes!
Giovanni, mainly because of his pragmatism and you brought up good points about Team Rocket's devotion to him. Plus, as you said, he *did* funded the creation of the world's strongest Pokemon that could rival Rayquaza and Arceus(without the Legend Plate) in raw power.
To be fair, Lusamine also funded the creation of Type:Null, the "godkiller"
@@BJGvideosMewtwo rivals Rayquaza, who is planetary. The ultra beasts and Silvally are very strong, but not *that* strong.
@@theserpent8667 Wait when did Mewtwo and Rayquaza ever fight?
@@BJGvideos They didn't fight, it's just that they have about the same amount of raw power (planetary destruction).
I agree Sada and Turo are geniuses. But I'd say they're antagonists because of the protocol rather than actually villains.
Nah I'd say they were villains. Their plan would have destroyed the ecosystem and they brushed it off as if it was nothing.
I thought guzma would’ve win as the smartest
We don't know that the original Professors who built the protocol, ignored their son, and put all of the world in danger for an objectively dumb goal: weren't evil.
Yep, professor Salad and Churro are the smartest by far.
Penny is EASILY the smartest of all the Team Leaders.
First, she had two goals. One, she had a plan to stop the bullying at the academy and two, she saved Team Star from expulsion TWICE.
Second, she had smaller scale goals than even Giovanni. And you better believe that THAT is saying something.
Third, she accomplished all her goals. She even saved Team Star the second time BECAUSE of the player character.
She also thought ahead so that Operation Starfall could take place when it was needed.
And even after she confessed ALL of her sins, (like hacking and stealing money from the league) Geeta herself was so impressed that she employed Penny to keep future hackers out.
And Team Star is STILL active, sort of.
Needless to say, she is the smartest and she isn't even malicious.
ok, but cyrus having no positive emotions is due to the fact that his parents had abused him as a child so much (confirmed by his grandpa in Platinum)
The only reason Giovanni's team sucks is because it's always been limited to the Kanto 151, outside of a few optional battles
nice video w top 3
Ghetsis or Giovanni
Why does Ghestsis remind me of a Sith Lord?
He's like the Palpatine of Pokemon
In the English dub of the anime they totally gave him a sith type voice
@@BJGvideos He's very devious an cunning, too so I could imagine swapping the two and not much changing
@@BJGvideos more like dio
Also he reminds me of the joker too because they wear purple and green hair especially in the first pokemon black and white game
@@justaguywithafedora54 He doesn't have purple in the first game. He wears yellow and blue, with a bronze mantle.
I’d have to go with Giovanni…more so due to teams…whereas Cyrus and Ghetsis have aces that gained a weakness in Fairy types (Sure RR Ghetsis in Ultra Sun’s ace Reshiram resists Fairy type and Ghetsis has Bisharp to counter Fairy types, but with the other version Ace having a weakness… yeah. XD;;) Giovanni has to Mega Evolve Mewtwo to get a Fairy type weakness on it, and whose to say you’ll have a fairy type before you get to Mewtwo as he has Poison types.
Hell yea new mystic video
The smartest villain is that gal in Sinnoh that trades you a Haunter with Everstone
You know this reminds me of an event in Pokémon masters where it’s revealed that Giovanny and Ghetsis are in a turf war with one another.
I've never been this early in any TH-cam videos ever. Glad to be the first view here!
I made a video on tiktok why team galactic would have succeeded if they had not fumbled the bag. I truly think team galactic would have won
Fumbled the bag?
They all got their buts handed to them by a child so how smart can they be.
Giovanni really kept Jesse and James on Team Rocket despite the millions they must have spent with all their ideas to catch Pikachu 😂 Doesn't seem very smart to me
Maybe aside from Botch and Cassidy, his other employees were worse.
None of them, since they all lose, but if i have to choose, its going to be Giovanni, since its the only Evil Team and Team Leader who hasn't been brought down by Ash Ketchum (If we take the anime into account)
Giovanni not having the strongest team is obviously because he had acces to a limited amount of Pokemon anyways.
I think a cool video is who is the smartest and dumbest NOT leaders.
So Admins and Rocket Executives and Plumeria type stuff.
I don't know if there is enough lore for them though...
Honestly wished u included team cipher
Pretty sure its Penny, girl literally stole money from the pokemon league, she was so good at it, they gave her a slap on the wrist and asked her to help them with some stuff.
Yeah I get it not an actual villain but still.
FR
All team leaders are good and intelligent but ig best of all are ghetsis being good in public, Giovanni to build the strongest pokemon and Cyrus for going to the world he wanted to go :)
Giovanni = Megatron
I still haven't forgiven Team flare for kidnapping Clemont multiple times.
The sheer Penny disrespect in this vid 😤
He specified EVIL team leader. Star isn't evil.
I’d say it’s a toss up between Cyrus and Ghetsis
The smartest "evil" team leader is the leader who succeeded. Now they might be the least evil team but the leader did successfully accomplished their goal, not once but twice. So gotta give it to Penny. So smart that even the league acknowledged her. Bonus points for the veevee team.
Star isn't an EVIL team though.
First off: Team Star isn't an evil team.
However, using that argument, the Aether Paradise wasn't an evil team either, we just had Lusamine being evil (And Faba to a lesser extent, but then we had Wicke to counter that).
@@nickdentoom1173 Idk they had that science division that was more than willing to engage in very wicked tests
And she's even younger than Cyrus. Her brain is enormous and it's not even fully developed. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't she accomplish the second goal BECAUSE of the player?
Hot take: Team Galactic were stupid and the only reason Cyrus made it as far as he did was the extreme levels of plot armor somehow making god-tier legendaries even dumber. Considering what Sinnoh lore entails, there is no way at all he should have gotten as far as he did.
How so?
Also, Any butchery made to human characters in the series cannot overshadow the extreme butchery done in the execution of gods who were meant to define all of Pokemon lore and the universe(s) they shaped; Pokemon who were meant to be at the very pinnacle in terms of power-level. These Pokemon make digging into the lore feel meaningless at times because the games / movies expressed ridiculous amounts of plot armor against the entire lake trio, creation trio, and Arceus, in a manner either not as present or not as severe as in any other generation's media. Every time I bring this up people are like "isn't every Pokemon story like this?" The answer is no. No other generation gets this ludicrous amount of plot-induced stupidity.
For example, in Gen 6's case, Team Flare was able to get a hold of Xerneas/Yveltal by sneaking them into their base while they were sleep. Lysandre tried to get their life energy drained but they eventually woke up on their own, broke free from the weapon, took back their life energy, and showed Lysandre who was boss. - okay that's actually reasonable.
In Gen 3, Archie and Maxie raided building after building ran by human communities everywhere in order to gather the resources needed to access the legendary box art. They've obtained the resources and then reached out to Kyogre/Groudon, who then proceeded to break free, go out of control, and show Archie and Maxie who's boss - this is also reasonable.
A similar thing happened with BW as with Gen 3 except a legendary Pokemon willingly sided with the main antagonist of the game. N did not attempt to force Reshiram/Zekrom under his control.
In B2W2, Kyurem was captured and used. Okay sure, but conceptually, Kyurem is a soulless empty shell of a Pokemon deprived of any motivation to do anything but eat and sleep. It needs help. It needs to see the light in truth or ideals in order to gain the motivation to do something. This is a reasonable explanation for how Kyurem managed to get captured and used by Team Plasma in B2W2. Additionally, Kyurem was designed to be nowhere near the level of deities that control time, space, or all of existence. Kyurem is just able to freeze the world with ice. Not shape up entire universes or define the entire nature of Pokemon as we know it.
In Gen 7 the only legendaries captured by human antagonists were baby Pokemon. Aside from that, Necrozma managed to get control of Solgaleo/Lunala but Necrozma was designed to be a force above them anyway.
Gens 1 and 2 didn't really use their legendaries much in the plot aside from making them glorified trophies. Gen 9 turned their legendaries into glorified regular Pokemon with little substance.
Gen 8 simply had legendary Pokemon do their jobs. Nothing more.
Team Galactic were actively messing with Pokemon gods, whether it was Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit, Palkia, or Dialga. Almost all of them canonically had the power to see what Galactic were doing well ahead of time and intervene. All 5 of these Pokemon had every capability possible to avoid the situations they were stuck in. Uxie could dismantle Team Galactic just by opening its eyes and even know what Galactic were doing before the team even reached it. Azelf can manipulate or remove their will, even control them for its own desires. Mesprit could play around with their emotions. All 3 could've done the exact same thing they usually do when you see them; just randomly disappear into somewhere far away. They could have done that to escape as the very last resort if that was ever needed, which it wasn't. Dialga is the embodiment of time. The literal nanosecond it appeared out of its portal it could have ended up in 50 different points of time simultaneously to stop Team Galactic from ever getting a hold of the Red Chain. Palkia could've just erased Cyrus within that same timeframe. Giratina was just shoehorned into the same climax as DP to save the day, with no real explanation until [B]13 years[/B] later with Legends Arceus.
@@Garde_Mystik Meant to be according to who?
@@BJGvideos serving as the embodiment of all space and time and/or being able to handle Pokémon serving in that role makes these creatures above every Pokémon but Arceus
@@Garde_Mystik Doesn't necessarily power scale them or make them invulnerable. Even Arceus isn't untouchable.
Hey mystic make a best team for Pokemon unbound
I gotta think it would be Maxie
Cyrus is way smarter and half the age of Ghetsis. The L's Ghetsis took were severe, lost twice and his whole team/son left him. As you said he had a lack luster goal compared to what Cyrus tried to achieve. Ghetsis is not that smart. Not mentioning Lysandre, but Ghetsis is a crime.
Well I don’t disagree that Giovanni is a very smart guy. Partly this is because team rocket (unlike the other evil teams) has a presence in most of the regions and therefore more than likely interacts with the other evil teams. Of course Giovanni is the original evil team leader and that goes a LONG way with me. As far as him not having personally created mewtwo that is true but he provided the funding, facilities, a good portion of the inspiration, and found a scientific team skilled enough to produce mewtwo (albeit after many failed attempts and some horrendous experiments) so that puts him in a class all his own. As far as Cyrus his lack of passion is a weakness but it also means his hatred of the human spirit wouldn’t apply to himself. Cyrus though is more of a quiet megalomaniac since his goal is to create a whole new universe rather subjugation of the current world order. I honestly don’t remember ghetsis very well so I won’t say anything about him.
The newer teams are not my cup of tea! I wonder what also happened to the shadow triad, because I totally like them, they are cool! But why being royal to Ghetsis?
So next is dumbest evil team leaders right?
LOL maybe
I mean, that has to be Lysandre... since you can smell something is fishy from a mile away (Even Diantha and Sycamore do).
I wouldn’t exactly count a sore loser like Ghetsis intelligent. 😒
All hail Giovanni
For me its Lysandre.
manga Giovanni is extremely intelligent too
Geovani is a pretty predictable outcome in this discussion
How about a video of the dumbest villain leaders?
The Hoenn ecoterrorists who failed basic earth science and took out their divorce on the rest of the region gotta be the dumbest bosses.
Got to be Archie. Literally contradicts himself with his goals. Yeah lets increase the words oceans by flooding the planet with the power of Kyogre...
Oh no Kyogre is flooding the planet i got it wrong player please stop Kyogre 🤦🏻♂️
@@BJGvideos Lysandre is right there though. Even Diantha and Sycamore suspect something is fishy.
@@nickdentoom1173 And then proceed to do absolutely nothing about it.
I think Giovanni is the smartest Evil team Leader.
Guzma is the smartest. I will not elaborate.
Who had thaught? Right haha 27 😳😳
With all honesty I think that Sada and Futoro are not evil
How? They were perfectly fine with their plan causing an ecological disaster, dismissing it as just a part of life. That's villain shit.
Volo
Na Giovanni is the goat 🐐
Guzma is probably the dumbest villain. Sorry to my boy.
Guzma has street smarts. He's also not a complete idiot like I can say for a pair of Hoenn ecoterrorists
@@BJGvideos True True
Team Skull technically isn't even an Evil Team anyways, since all the members are just misunderstood.
Team Skull appears in Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon. As revealed by some of their members, Team Skull is composed of misfits who failed the island challenge. They steal Pokémon from people, but unlike previous villainous teams, they do not have a specific goal other than to cause trouble and acquire enough money to support themselves. In stark contrast to previous villainous teams, they do not pose a serious threat to the wellbeing of Alola and its residents, the majority of whom consider them thuggish nuisances at worst.
We haven't gotten a true evil team since gen 6 (Team Yell, Team Star, Team Skull, Aether Foundation and Macros Cosmos aren't exactly evil teams either, its just their bosses that are evil and then with Macros Cosmos, they only fight the player character and Hop, not because they are evil, but because they are told to do so by Oleana, who isn't evil either, just devoted to Rose. Its basically the same for Aether Foundation and Team Skull (Guzma is literally manipulated by Lusamine, who herself isn't truly evil either).
If we need to talk about dumb leaders/villains, its probably Lysandre thats the dumbest, considering both Sycamore and Diantha also suspect something is fishy, but they cannot actually pinpoint what it is.
Heck, the evil villains in the games aren't the evil leaders, its the professors, Mustard and his wife honey. This is due to the professors and Honey only saying you can choose only one starter Pokemon (Locking you out of the other 2, which especially is a nuisance obtaining them in early games) and Mustard only gives you one Kubfu, while their are 2 forms.
team star gotta be the worst evil team to ever be conceived and watching this reminded me of how stinky their back story is
Team Yell is far worse. They are just a bunch of Marnie stans
@@turboshazed7370 The funny part about team star is that the dark leader looks exactly like gumza from team 💀 skull
Because they do something different and aren’t carbon copies of other teams?
The team yell people when in their gym trainer uniform is an image which haunts my nightmares. Thank goodness they never disbanded so I don't have to look at gym trainer Joshua ever again
@@101Youfail it is the hairstyle that reminds me of guzma
Lusamine tbh is my pick, she runs both a cult via Aether Foundation and manipulates the leader of Team skull to be an open antagonist so she could get her overarching plans done without much resistance. she essentially manipulated dual layers of a plan by herself and essentially succeeded the player undid her work not stopped it.
Aether isn't a cult.
@@BJGvideos kinda feels like it is fine if not a cult then a company built upon false pretense that is actually an evil mad scientist organization that puts pokemon into suspended sleep as a menagerie to perform ultra space studies. People totally were considering Aether foundation as some salvation for pokemon but that was not at all how it was.
Lusamine isn't evil though, neither is Guzma. Both are just misunderstood characters. If we need to mark someone in SUMO evil, its probably Faba (He gets demoted for a reason).
@@nickdentoom1173 Lusamine may not be inherently evil at her core, but she did INEXCUSABLY evil things during her bout with madness. She got better and worked to atone for what she had done, but the scars of her actions are going to remain in especially her children for the rest of their lives.
@@BJGvideos I mean, thats true. But that doesn't mean she is evil, just that she has a dark side (Just like Guzma, who isn't evil either).
Lysandre was the last true Evil character in the games until Turo and Sada.
Isn't Lysandre the Elon Musk of Pokemon? Same with Colress
Lysandre and Colress are good at what they do though. That's far more than anybody can say for the Muskmelon