Playing Games on the GeForce4 Ti4600
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Just a simple video of me playing games on a Ti4600 and messing with the settings.
Platform specs:
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
2GB PC4000 @ DDR510
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2
Samsung 830 Series 128GB SSD
Windows XP Professional SP3
Forceware 71.89
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Ahhh yes back in a time when high end cards were completely obsolete after a few months and a couple of new games. Those were the days
HDMI is the cause of the lack of progress in game graphics. All horse power is lost in resolution and GPU makers charge a premium and easily do 60fps at 720p / 1080p
HDMI the cause for lack of progress? What? LOL
HDMI sucks but it's not hindering progress of PC hardware.
@@armorgeddon why does hdmi suck
And what is the future if it does?
Just curious
Sai DisplayPort is the future also hdmi sucks because of its lack of high and variable refresh rates which has already been outplayed by displayport and it also doesent support gsync or freesync
And yet, the 2002 9700 Pro could play games for the next 5 years, just about (with some exceptions from Pixel Shader 3.0 minimum games in 2006 and 2007: Bully, Splinter Cell Double Agent and Bioshock coming to mind)
My friend bought a Ti4600 as an upgrade from his Geforce 3 (original). I was already leagues behind running an MX440. I remember watching him play Dungeon Seige in 1280x1024 maxed out and it looked incredible. A few weeks later I took the plunge and bought a Ti4800SE - a card that kept me happy for quite some time considering all I really played back then was Quake III OSP and Morrowind.
Quake3 osp is definitely the game to play for years. Played it on tnt2 ultra, radeon 9100, 5770, 980 gtx..)) cannot set gamma in win10,..)
@@Samopal.VanoZz Yeah Quake III OSP was the original hardcore scene, and the pinnacle of FPS / online gaming in terms of skillcap and attracting the most talented players in the world.
I was a dueller, played Quakeworld back in 1997 but moved over to Quake III in 2000. Ranked 30th in the UK at one point. But around 2003 I started playing a lot of TDM also. Managed to get into Division 1 Eurocup but that was it. Too difficult after that.
Quake III ran fine on a TNT2 in 512x384. You could squeeze 100fps out of it with vertex lighting. Smooth enough for competitive play. But it was never a demanding game, brilliant engine very configurable.
That Ti4800SE I bought back in 2002 ran Quake III OSP super smooth on my GIGANTIC 22" Diamond Mitsubishi flat CRT. I used 1280x1024 @ 120Hz, and it never dipped below, even in lightmap mode, OSPDM4, 4v4 deathmatch. Super smooth - fast enough for Quake III at least! Kept that card for years. I think until around 2005 when I took a break from Q3 and started playing other stuff, like Dawn of War, Riddick, Doom 3, Age Of Mythology etc. Then I realized the Ti4800 no longer cut it, so I grabbed a cheap 6800XT in a sale and unlocked / overclocked it.
@@Samopal.VanoZz BTW always gamma workarounds. Try brightness, fullbright, or use windows 10 brightness settings or mess around in Nvidia / AMD driver control panels.
Annoying bugs with windows 10 and Quake Live / Quake III. But it's a 24 year old game.
@@TheVanillatech i played only duels too, but biggest achivements was winning one map in q1 (dm6) against top4 or 2 russian players). And once i played with cypher when he was considered non-pro (just for lulz), was winning 1:-2 but he finished with 12 frags lead)). And i still use Iiyama 514 at 1280x1024x130hz (or 132hz), but it's a little broken now, cannot get back it's glory without soldering it again and again.
@@Samopal.VanoZz I never had any luck against Elites. For instance, at my peak, I beat QUAD^Wrath two games out of five. And I beat the Dutch number 3 Ermac one time, after 100 failures. I even beat Vo0 about 7 games in a row but he was coming off a huge break. BUT - I played Toxic twice, just before a huge offline tourney in America (which he ended up winning) and he wiped the floor with me, 30 - 0. Both games. And when I played Clawz back in 2017, on New Years Eve, he also annihilated me. AND HE WAS DRUNK!
I used to practice with UNR players a lot. Bl0key, Mist, Gun, Adam, Deus etc. They are great lads and Englands best players. Although none of them are elite 1v1 players, there was always a clear difference to me, how they read the game. I could never quite get there. Theres something genetic I think, when it comes to reaching that top 0.1% level of skill. And I don't have that thing. So eventually I retired! XD
Ahh the good old GF4 ti series. I had a ti4200 128mb Gainward Golden sample AGPx4 version. Played a lot of games on that card back then.
I have ti4200 128mb Gainward Golden sample 4xAGP at SGD $290, during the pentium 4 era we never believe in buying the most expensive graphic cards like radeon 9700pro or titanium 4600 and we were right newer motherboards do not support AGP and only supports PCI express graphic cards.
Great video !! Nostalgic looking at all these games running on the 3D hardware which were once considered powerful and most sought after. Brings back so many memories. Thankyou for making this video !
You have got to love Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, when enemies are as dangerous to each other as they are to you :P
2008 youtube: watching people playing on 8800 Ultra
2020 youtube: watching people playing on geforce 4 :-D
I was at a lan party with my ti4600 and I had a crowd looking at the water on Morrowind, it looked amazing.
I must be the only one that loves the doom 3 shotgun. That clank when you cock the shells into action, or the sound of putting the shells in. And I love how industrial and metal the shotgun look too. Not heavy metal, I mean steel metal.
71.89, yay! My favourite drivers when I had a Ti 4200.
I am using 93.71 for retro testing, it supports everything from geforce 2 to 7000 series and it's one of the lastest drivers with possibility to set old look and use coolbits hack for OC in drivers
Found this card along with a 6800 ultra and a dell xps gen 4 at a garage sale. Got all of it for 10 bucks :)
Well did it work ? Its not worth a cent if it doesnt.
I am amazed that this generation of cards doesn't have more hype than it does compared to later generations, good all rounder cards and they are hard to come by at times as it is.
Good memories from my no-name (Xpert branded) GF4 Ti4200 back in 2003~2004. Never picked the next gen FX series, though I was very close at few occasions, but finally jumped to the red team camp with Radeon 9600XT, after the debacle around Half Life 2.
Using the OpenGL renderer for Unreal Tournament instead of D3D will fix your framerate issues. I've just tested it with the GeForce 2 Ti. And you can use 32 bit colors. Great video! ^_^
I ran a Ti4400 for a couple years... which was a long time considering the pace of improvement at the time. ...I certainly have no desire to revisit the hardware though.
I gamed on a Geforce4 Ti 4200 from 2002 until 2005. Play a lot of WoW and Doom 3 on that card, among other games. Those were the days, lots of changes in the graphics card world every few months.
I have ti4200 128mb Gainward Golden sample 4xAGP at SGD $290, during the pentium 4 era we never believe in buying the most expensive graphic cards like radeon 9700pro or titanium 4600 and we were right newer motherboards do not support AGP and only supports PCI express graphic cards.
You are a magician ! I have been searching for the solution for that horrible fps in Unreal, when running with direct3D. I had all but given up on it and was getting used to only using openGL. But now NO MORE :D finally a solution. I would never have thought about switching to 16 color instead of 32
Haha glad it helped somebody!
Halo was made to run at 640x480 on xbox (geforce 3 that was more like 4, it had 2x vertex shaders, higher clocks), so no wonder GF4600 cant run this game at 1024x768.
Gainward Golden Sample ti4200 here. Had a blast with that little nugget for a couple of years.
I have ti4200 128mb Gainward Golden sample 4xAGP(made in Taiwan)at SGD $290, during the pentium 4 era we never believe in buying the most expensive graphic cards like radeon 9700pro or titanium 4600 and we were right newer motherboards do not support AGP and only supports PCI express graphic cards.
Doesn't look good, better wait for the 5000 series and see if the games stay above 60fps.
Was the thing powerful enough to play modern DVDs movies?
It can't do 45 FPS with vsync on unless it stutters like hell. 45 FPS with vsync would mean missing every 4th vblank on average.
If the performance is even, it's either going to take less than one vblank to render a frame, resulting in 30 FPS, less than 2 vblanks resulting in 30 FPS, less than 3 vblanks resulting in 20 FPS and so on. My bet is the anti-aliasing caused the lag issues. This was my experience with geforce 4's back then, AA wasn't very useable even when the performance allowed.
Vsync (and no motion blur) is why I love gaming on old CRT monitors. My retro rigs use a 17in CRT that can do 1024x768@85Hz which was common in the early 2000's. I used to have a 19 inch Viewsonic that was 1600x1200@75Hz. I really miss that beast and wish I hadn't given it away over a decade ago :(
Good monitors are rare these days, unless you get very lucky at an auction or a charity / thrift store. I used to have a 22" Diamond Mitsubishi SuperBright, cost me a fortune back in 2002. Imported it from America. That beast could do 1920x1440 @ 85Hz, 1600x1200 @ 100Hz, 1280x1024 @ 140Hz etc. Right down to 640x480 @ 240Hz. But that low resolution looked silly on such a huge screen. I also wish I still had it! There is nothing that even comes close, except maybe an OLED, to the clarity and speed of those old top end CRT's.
Now I use a 43" LG OLED 4K TV as my gaming monitor, which is great for watching movies too. And it lets me play in "odd" resolutions on older games, with 120Hz. Couldn't go back to an LCD "monitor" now.
@@TheVanillatech Wow a comment 5 years later and youtube emailed me about it lol!
Sadly I can't use CRTs anymore due to migraine issues. Using 0.5ms response 165Hz IPS screens for now which come rather close to the CRT experience. Haven't wanted to sink the $$$ into oled quite yet but I'm sure I'll have one in a few years.
@@TheRetarp I used to have problems with the CRT's at lower refresh rates. The office standard of 75Hz "flicker free" always gave me a headache after an hour or so, and that was when I was young! XD
I wasn't an early adopter of OLED, the prices were insane. One guy I met who owns a small club had one in his bar, it was his pride an joy. Should have been considering he paid £2500 for it! But I was impressed with the quality. So, a few years later, my trusty 27" Asus TN panel failed and I went shopping for a new monitor - BUT I also needed a TV. Mine was old and didn't do the HD Disney movies justice, so I figured I'd treat the kids. At Currys Pc World, they had a sale, and the woman there talked me into spending a little more on an OLED. It was surprisingly cheap, I paid £699 and got a far better screen than the £420 IPS TV I went there to buy.
Spending that extra money meant no monitor, but I just hooked the PC up to the OLED and use it as a monitor. Everything is crisp! Text is no problem, TH-cam looks amazing .... and the kids jaws hit the floor when they came over and I had Moana just starting to play! They sank to the floor and didn't move for 1 hour and 35 minutes! ;)
Damn, got some memories going for me, thanks, I had a ti4200 64mb played all those, I remember trying out the leaked alpha of doom 3 and ran horrible of course.
Many moons ago (2007) i build a pc from spare parts to play Doom 3 and its expansions. Overclocked Amd thoroughbred cpu and the 4600ti, it ran it at 1600x1200 ultra settings. Think it had 1.5gbs of ram too. :D
good stuff, I remember really wanting one of these, but I only could buy the 4 MX (which is like a super 2 MX), one game that would be interesting to test is splinter cell, since out of the box it only works perfect with 3 ti and 4 ti the high quality shadows,
in regard to halo, yeah that game is tough, but a 9700PRO would be way nicer for it I think, also the Xbox GPU is more like an hybrid between 3 and 4 ti (but with low clocks), still it only had to run halo at 640x480 and was highly optimized, and still wasn't totally 30 stable.
Some great old games here, brings back memories.
Nice to see the original COD which is still one of my favourites of the series. Might go fire it up actually
Thanks for this video, i always wondered what the real potential of this card was. When the card was released many games made little or no use of the new porgrammable pipeline , so the benchmarks of the era clearly don't tell the whole story about it's performance. I was particulary interested in the comparison with the xbox which used a kind of hybrid between the gf3 and 4 (NV2A) to see how they stack up once relatively advanced shaders started to be used in games. Speaking of which i expected more from the ti4600 in doom 3, 640x480 with the lowest settings, dropping frequently under 30 fps? seems brutal. Now i know the biggest environments in the xbox version were cut or rearranged but overall graphical quality seems to be very close to what i am seeing here with the added bonus of a pretty stable lock to 30 fps. Can i ask you what are the other components of your test bed?
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ @ 2.8GHz
2GB OCZ PC4000 RAM
Got my childhood to 4200 128mb that I abused for years. The fan doesn't sound too good but it still crunching frames
I have ti4200 128mb Gainward Golden sample 4xAGP(made in Taiwan)at SGD $290, during the pentium 4 era we never believe in buying the most expensive graphic cards like radeon 9700pro or titanium 4600 and we were right newer motherboards do not support AGP and only supports PCI express graphic cards.
I had went from a tnt2 model64 in my first desktop (up from a 3dfx voodoo3 in the prior family computer), to a Ti200 that was a joy to use. Until it finally died after an assertive overclocking for 3dmarks run i got rather obsessed with back then. The card i got to replace it, was an Asus ti4200 with agp8x. That thing served me pretty well.
The Ti4200 is worth a video in its own right some day.
ti4200 was the only geforce 4 worth buying.
You should try the Detonator drivers, like 45.23. Works like a charm for me in W98SE with UT
Got one of these cards. Looking at performance I was debating if to pair with my P4 or just use on a 1ghz P3. Thinking the P3 is route. Would rather have an awesome '98 rig than average XP era rig?
You have an Avermedia C127 don't you? When you mentioned the resolution flipping out it reminded me of mine. I got mine mostly because it does HD capture and had a VGA port.
Yep that's the one. It's not working out too well for me, it turns out.
PixelPipes really? Mine is usually fine at resolutions above 1024x768. Anything below that becomes a seizure inducing nightmare
I see this channel growing. Keep it up!
I remember this generation of cards being respected longer than most, because people rejected the FX generation and kept using these.
It's too bad they don't support PS 2.0 though. Once those games started coming out, the usefulness of these cards suddenly broke.
Unreal Tournament doesn't like to run at anything above native refreshrate when using default renderers. There's a few 3rd party renderers out there that fix this issue (avoid the OGL ones because they have the same problem) and allow you to run way over 60 FPS without any issues.
Don't forget that the FX was a very poor upgrade to the GeForce 4. It only offered dx9 and the perf on it was poor. Like for like D8.1 it offered very little improvements esp in the low to upper mid range. Most pple inc me moved from 4200 to something like 6600GT.
Dumb question, how do you play hl2 in the manner that you do? Is it through a steam mod or smth?
I use a modified version of the game based on the original launch (disc) version that doesn't need Steam. However there is a complicated way to get Steam to work on XP, but the current version of HL2 is ill fitted for older PCs.
Messing about with a ati radeon 9550 atm, overclocked from 250 mhz core too 480 mhz & memory went too 235 mhz from 200, gained quite a bit of performance just pointing a 120mm fan from the underside (Using a few bits from the mounting from a arctic cooling freezer 13 pro
(The freezer 7 pro uses the same mounting hardware for intel sockets)
So its about 3.5 - 4 cm from the bottom off the case that 120mm fan)
3dmark score after driver tweaks too performance went from 8900 without overclocking too 11480 with the overclock in the same pc, not sure if i have a cpu bottleneck or if the drivers i use are terrible as some stock cards does that score with an athlon x64 cpu in 3dmark 2k1se & the version 3.2 drivers.
Also tried quake II version 3.2 at 1024x768 resolution timedemo1 map demo1.dm2 was initially 270 fps without the overclock & i gained another 120 fps with the overclock too 390 fps
I googled "Splinter Cell Geforce 4 Ti 4600" and this popped up. No Splinter Cell in this. :(
I had the Geforce 4 MX 440 agp
me too
I have one running with an Athlon 64 3000+, damn it did never run doom 3 well. :(
@@darkestblue91 Doom 3 did have crazy requirements for its time.
My deepest condolences. I had that piece of junk too back in the day.
MX 440 is very common GPU, it was low end :-D but still better than FX5200 :-D
Oh! What a surprise. Its another first person shooter. And another and another ……
lol, this card was 400 bucks back in 03'.... Unless you were a rich kid or your parents were loaded you got this card in 02' and were absolutely amazed. So.... It's very misleading to shit on this card, I don't know why doom 3 is running that bad on this card, played doom at 800x600 back in 04 with this card, a anthlon CPU, and 1.5gb of ram and I got 45ish fps average on medium with AA off. So.... Yeah. But for DOOM to get really good frames and push the setting it was all about that legendary 6800 Ultra... Oh boy that card was a beast. What a complete animal. That card even pushed Modern Warfare and allowed Bioshock to be played, albeit at lower settings, but still... Maxing out games from 2007....Pretty good. Ate shit in Unreal Tourney 3 tho. But.. I mean, again. 2004 pushing 2007 games... 6800 Ultra is legendary. I knew guys that kept it going through 2009 even lol.
man i cannot find one of these in turkey
What's the performance difference between the two top CPUs for that board? (Athlon 64 4000+ vs athlon 64 x2 5200+.) Please do a comparison video
I don't really collect CPUs so I don't have that many. This board also stopped working.
@@PixelPipes the dual-sata2 quit!? What's the issue? Any suggestions on how to keep mine healthy?
@@glittlehoss The issue is probably the caps around the memory, but my solder equipment is jank right now. My advice would be to never trust any of the caps the board came with.
@@PixelPipes I wonder if overclocking with that board isn't a good idea. Not sure if that impacts the caps
Had a similar system -- but with Radeon X800 and A8N32-Sli Deluxe
Replaced theRadeon with 9600GT.
Then my MOBO failed and I basically bought a new computer :)
What about bioshock ?
Good video, very nostalgic but dude, seriously latency is pronounced Lay-ten-see
As far as I know, you are the only person in the world who pronounces it as you do..
Yes. Yes it is. Curse my human-like flaws!
PixelPipes good man, every day is a school day! Seriously, great video 😁
nice videos, can you do a video about the history of 8800gtx?
Yep, on the horizon.
thx, you have a good story to make, nvidia realy killed the competition whit that card
I’m using GF4600 it with ME. With other high end parts of 2002
You should have tried some other games genres and not only FPS... there were NFS, Tony Hawks, the sims, lot of star wars games... etc etc etc... otherwise... cool video.
That UT04 gameplay lacked skills.
I had ATI 9600XT back in 2004
Fantastic gpu, still have my 4200 , wich also rocks.
4000 series has good historical value, don't sell it, keep it another 5 or 10 years :-)
Should have played that old ubisoft intro in its fullest. UT needs d3d8 or opengl with framelock, bit of tweaking with mouse settings not to have accel and input lag(dinput and accel off in windows) Serious sam needs tweaking of default settings on weird mouse filtering to feel right too, Sharp turning on iirc. and biiiig no on vsync for sluggishness :D Those idtech 3 games you should really just keep the com_maxfps at 85 to be right too. HL2 original engine with dx8 ran great in 2004. I remember UT2k3 running about the same on a gf2 mx400 too, maybe lower settings. You missed battlefield1942. Geforce 4 was really a inbetweener, before 6000 gt series. Running those gf3 era games to perfection, but running out of juice for newer titles
30:14 “Respective”?
HL2 looks amazing and Doom3 not so much...
Half-life 2 had smooth and beautiful pre-computed lightmaps. will look good on a geforce 2 even. Doom 3 did real time lighting only with sharp and ugly point-light shadows; looks bad on any hardware.
@@soylentgreenb I think FarCry looked the best from 2004 games, it still looks good in modern resolution, which I can't say about Doom 3. In FC you just set 4K in game and playing, in Doom 3 (I am not speaking about BFG edition) you have to modify .cfg files and main menu is pixelated like from 1999 game. :-)
make a revive radeon 1650 pro ddr2, please.
1650 Pro was a 1600 XT with 10 Mhz more core clock, lol.
you could run UT in opengl. it's much better than the buggy shitty default d3d api.
there's a custom opengl for ut that improves it even further.
also use in-game settings instead of forcing them via driver (like in serious sam, you could have turned both AA and aniso in-game). it's usually faster and less prone to frame pace issues.
16:35 not ironic at all. the xbox runs it at 30fps in 480p. the geforce 4 is barely 50% faster than that and you're running over 2,5x the resolution
The PC port of Halo was widely recognized for being poorly optimized at the time of release.
i know. so was 3dmark2003. turns out its just the gf4 series that sucked. but seriously, it's totally hardware limited. halo CE was never a very good looking game, but that's an entirely separate matter. the gf4 is capable of running better looking games fine. just not this specific game.
just look at how much better halo 2 looks compared to halo 1 on the same hardware (and by that i mean the xbox, not pc. halo2 was poorly optimized on pc by any standards)
I want this black theme for Win XP!!!!!
Zune theme, I belive.
I have an asus 4600ti reference design. Don't know it it works.
We can tell you don't play games much. :P
I really.....really don't.
can the ti 4600 run FEAR