Mark Gungor about Dating

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  • @ellenanortje3707
    @ellenanortje3707 6 ปีที่แล้ว +177

    I listened to all your TH-cam uploads. I wish I was able to listen at 16 not now at 61. Would have spared me a whole lot of mistakes and heartache!

    • @msknucb1149
      @msknucb1149 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ellena I was thinking the same thing!

    • @gigidaysa7095
      @gigidaysa7095 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂

    • @Jacqueline-r4r
      @Jacqueline-r4r 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ellena Nortje All things works together for the good to those who love the Lord, who are called according to his purpose

    • @Just_logic
      @Just_logic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      beasty tell
      Me if you learning and changing your mind set

    • @carlaaustin7223
      @carlaaustin7223 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      3 divorces would have been avoided. I found I married quickly and didn't take time to get to know them.

  • @fragrancedeparadis1275
    @fragrancedeparadis1275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I have never heard any man speak any clearer than this man of God in regards to dating or marriage. May the LORD use him to deliver many in Jesus name

  • @aymen5193
    @aymen5193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I am a Muslim from Canada and everything Mr. Gungor said here is exactly what we believe to. It's tough living in a secular culture where I've always felt self-conscious explaining my beliefs to others as I feel it comes across to them as too conservative. So it's really nice to see that we as Muslims aren't alone when it comes to beliefs regarding marriage and relationships!

    • @yvomay6194
      @yvomay6194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Appreciate this comment. Thank you for sharing this because I aways feel so judged for my beliefs on marriage...especially my views on what I'm called to be as a wife. I'm treated as a traitor to the entire female population.

    • @michaelweymouth4015
      @michaelweymouth4015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m finding that the closer I live to the Ten Commandments handed down by Yehovah to Moses the better my life is. It’s difficult to find a woman who believes the same. Yeshua said do not follow the takkanot of men, but he still followed the ten handed down from above on my Sinai.

    • @gertels8430
      @gertels8430 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your religion has some truth in it, a good lie is 90% true and 10% false. Because of your religion not accepting Jesus as God in the flesh and our Saviour, means you are on your way to hell.
      What does it profit a man if he has a good marriage, but loses his soul?

  • @esharaali2774
    @esharaali2774 6 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I think your videos are very beneficial for all not only Christian

  • @HBM-ck5bo
    @HBM-ck5bo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Although I'm not christian but all what you said is soo true and logical sir! Very nice video!!

    • @SuperKathio
      @SuperKathio 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      hela ben mansour think about becoming a Christian.

    • @altapura8452
      @altapura8452 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      SuperKathio she has no need for that. From the name I am assuming she is Muslim and everything Mark says in the video is also in agreement with Muslim faith. So why consider changing religion?

    • @beulahsaid1059
      @beulahsaid1059 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Aviana Smiths because Christ is the only way to the Father. No one can go to heaven unless they come through Jesus...

    • @ummemuhammad6562
      @ummemuhammad6562 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@beulahsaid1059 Jesus (peace be upon him) was the messenger and prophet sent by God just like many other prophets like Moses, Abraham etc. And Muhammad (PBUH) being the last and final messenger of God was sent with The Holy Quran. This book is for all of humanity that tells us to follow only Quran and Sunnah (teachings of prophet Muhammad pbuh) and thus this only is the right path.. May Allah guide us all. Ameen

    • @ayishahendrix7645
      @ayishahendrix7645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Farben Froh In Islam our sins can only be forgiven by Allah (God), no other. Jesus for us , is only a prophet sent by God to guide the people, nothing more.

  • @alvinmakori6730
    @alvinmakori6730 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Wow. Am glad I've watched this. Thank you Lord. I wish I had listened to this while in my teens. Am now 29. But I thank God that I have listened to this.

  • @MiriamandArdy
    @MiriamandArdy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    "sex outside of marriage makes you stupid!" - Ptr Mark

  • @gratitude5740
    @gratitude5740 6 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    Date-ing = collecting data about the other person .
    Date constructively.

    • @gloriamariadc7757
      @gloriamariadc7757 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Excellent insight!!!!

    • @Donnah1979
      @Donnah1979 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The difficult part is HOW.
      And hardly anyone teaches the youth about how they should date.

    • @lentekrokus7936
      @lentekrokus7936 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, be friends first during the dating time.

    • @OneWhoDreamsAwake
      @OneWhoDreamsAwake 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gonna use this. Thanks, now I can explain myself concisely. 😁😂

    • @Ephisus
      @Ephisus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And yourself.

  • @sherikwasnik5290
    @sherikwasnik5290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I dated a bunch of fools who were not meant for me. I always said I wanted a man who was like my Dad, who was a very honourable and kind and hard working and a selfless person who loved others more than himself. He was faithful and committed to my mother and our family right up to the day he passed. It took me 44 years to find my SO. My blinders came off and there he was. The man who I had been looking for. He loves Jesus and loves me. I am so blessed. He has all the characteristics that I was looking for and ones I didn't know I needed. Thank you Lord!

  • @catherinelee3111
    @catherinelee3111 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    marriage is a concession,not a right and we have a duty to manage it and treat it with care --a precious 'gift' from God

  • @chericoffman6321
    @chericoffman6321 6 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    We should go back to courting. Dating is nothing more than dinner, maybe a movie, then sleeping together.
    God is dealing with me on stuff right now and I don’t even have the energy to date. I have to work on my own stuff right now. I thank God for that revelation.

    • @sueelmy2363
      @sueelmy2363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good for you!! Dont give up dealing with your stuff, Good Luck and God Bless

    • @centerfold8
      @centerfold8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Cheri Coffman my idea of dating is courting

    • @cardiackidjones2848
      @cardiackidjones2848 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Amen Cheri, I am the male version though. God bless you and thanks for sharing the comment.

    • @isaachousley325
      @isaachousley325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dating doesn't imply sex. Hooking up/shacking up/ect involves sex. Courting, by tradition and convention is a very tightly controlled practice that came in a time where the concept of marriage was more a social contract than a vessel of intimacy that the Bible describes marriage as. Ultimately the only measurable difference between dating and courting in today day and age is semantics, which shadows and hides the real problems that exist today in the realm of dating, marriage, and sex

    • @georgaseebalack6003
      @georgaseebalack6003 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@isaachousley325 honestly in this day and age it kinda does. That's why whenever I talk with peers and the conversation goes there, I always make clear what I define as dating. And what my absolute don'ts are or like boundaries. Because I realize my christian values (and even non-christian ig but conservative or just different values from the norm) are gonna make it difficult to find someone who doesn't expect sex and favors.

  • @preetiagenoia8104
    @preetiagenoia8104 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amen! I share this with my children, neices and nephews and friends. Great teaching!

    • @valeriehunt5731
      @valeriehunt5731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's what I am about to do for my grandkids and theirs, too.

  • @sebastianblaeck2492
    @sebastianblaeck2492 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is sound advice. Wish I would have had it many moons ago, but am so happy to hear it even now. Very helpful. It is my hope that these young people are really listening and taking in this valuable information.

  • @Mato1970
    @Mato1970 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    God has a plan for each person, and that includes a spouse. The Bible says in ALL your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths. I see no exception to finding a spouse in that.

    • @ProperJudgment
      @ProperJudgment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      his plan for us is to make disciples, make relationships. it is the only thing we bring to heaven! no-one is physically married in heaven, but we keep those relationships.

    • @amakie925
      @amakie925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly
      But does not mean God has chosen just one person for you to live with
      God has specified the qualities of the person you're supposed to be with in his word
      He hasn't chosen an Angela or Emelia who lives in your city with a dog and has a job in the convenience store for you to marry
      No

    • @Mato1970
      @Mato1970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amakie925 So you're saying that we shouldn't look to God for guidance in that? You're saying that we should follow our own will instead of God's will?

    • @amakie925
      @amakie925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mato1970 God has a will sure but He guides according to His will. But according God's will to one particular person isn't advisable. You don't have a soulmate. Like Pastor Mark said it isn't biblical. Picking one particular person and saying God chose the person for you isn't biblical either. God will give you a criteria and lead you to one who fits it when you're already walking in your purpose which is God's will first and foremost. I'm saying that God will not tell you that the woman He has picked is 6ft. tall and fair with a dog called spike who lives in Atlanta and works at Wal-Mart. That's what I'm saying God will not do. He never did it in the bible and he never will. He will guide sure but it's unlikely that God has created a particular person with specific DNA waiting for you. That isn't biblical. I hope you understand me now

    • @shati4093
      @shati4093 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@amakie925 I have heard testimonies that state otherwise. These people though are doing mighty things for God. They also have a measure of faith that would appear to be strange to many Christians living in the United States. or example, there is a woman named Heidi Baker. She was and still is all in for God. In college she had been engaged to a man. They truly loved each other. The Lord told her to cut off the engagement. She was devastated. The Lord one day told her the name of her husband. They later married and now that have an empire. They have been serving the poor and the rich. They are both authors of I don't know how many books. I have traveled all over the world, saving lives. I would look at God paring Esther and her king. God knew what he was doing when he put Hadasa (later Esther) in the palace. I also believe that God knew who Isaac was going to marry when he led Abraham's servant to him. He knew that she was the one who was going to be chosen. To me it's more than finding a good Christian who one can laugh with. To me its about love but also purpose and creating a legacy. There are plenty of stories where God directed someone to a specific individual and they have a fruitful marriage. Do I think that he allows some to choose? Yes, God is not cookie cutter, but I also believe for some who he chooses a spouse for they gave God a big yes and trusted him.

  • @rosaleisle8081
    @rosaleisle8081 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I dated my husband for two years and we got married and our marriage is filled with Christ

  • @preetiagenoia8104
    @preetiagenoia8104 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    We shack up too much before we get married. That's what destroy our lives.

  • @Ilzeuzidira
    @Ilzeuzidira 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This knowlage is like a safety boat where escape madness of Western Culture! I wish I knew this when I was 16.

  • @MegaLadylove2012
    @MegaLadylove2012 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you! Love it! Thank you. I met a young man few years ago who was simply terrible. I mean, terrible. It never matter how kind I was to him, everythin I did or said was a trigger for an indirect insult or somethin demeaning. Well, I learned from his other video to quit talkin about the past in order to truly forgive. I appreciate that as well. In light of the topic, I thought about how this young man excuse was he was only twenty five, which according to him should excuse his behaviors. Aka he was too young then to know better. Well, I was also twenty five. I guess two dummies, huh? Imagine twenty five years old! I’ve a bro almost like that. Going on twenty six and still actin as if he’d turned twelve: expects me to take full financial responsibility of the apt he lives with me. I had to put my foot down and say, ‘young man I need you to get a job; get serious. Help.’ About tht young man, I am only glad I never engaged in anything physical with him but mane I which I’d valued myself then to simply quickly walked away. My goodness. I used to wondered who raised him. Anyways, enough of the past because it’s boring to talk about. I wish every young man and woman would watch this video. And get the message because what is going on in our so called modern day world of delay ‘maturity’ is atrocious. I’ve seen men as old as fifty or forty something tk about they’re ready to settle or they’re lookin for the ‘one.’ I let them know to keep lookin. She might show up as late as eighty years old

  • @memoryrinehart
    @memoryrinehart 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    There can be appointments not "soulmates." It says Rebekah was "appointed" for Isaac.

    • @maretvilla1531
      @maretvilla1531 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But how many people entrust God when it comes to meeting their "soul mate". Very few I'm sure.

  • @asiodaisy
    @asiodaisy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    If he is an ex-murderer....garl move on,
    Bible never talks about finding your soulmate
    Wow i love this sermon...the principles of Christianity once followed would be enough to get any two christians along with each other.

  • @cwsewez4
    @cwsewez4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was an amazing video that has re-energized me to be happier than ever. I have been divorced once & widowed twice. God is my focus & I pray before everything. You have made my day with this info & I have shared it to all my family & friends. God bless you & continue to give you strength & knowledge to share with us all.

  • @BrassStorm
    @BrassStorm ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Mark Gungor!! This is so good to hear! I am watching this because I wanted yo gollow the oattern of Christ. I know what not to do but I wanted to know more what TO do! Thank you!!

  • @101Sailorfan
    @101Sailorfan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    God does know who will be good for you but you don't have a single soulmate.

  • @sunilmoses5541
    @sunilmoses5541 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful brother thank God for you life and ministry

  • @gloriamariadc7757
    @gloriamariadc7757 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    They say it takes a village to raise a child. But in reality it takes a village to marry off a girl to a proper guy, so that that child can be born in the first place. With all due respect to Mark Gungor, these talks should be geared to primarily the parents.. most all the successful marriages I know were guided by their elders, not the individuals who were dating ea other. You're also clearly what, most of us older single women, wish our father was like in teaching us the truth about boys (& how they're wired). Yet, based on the unfortunate new era we've created in society, (of live and let live), it seems that obsessing to find a mate is a fruitless task, and we should rather direct our attention better on being the best sons & daughters of God we can be. And hence celebrate the blessing of the state of life God is currently giving us, to grow & be a blessing to society. Because ultimately, to need to find a mate in order to contribute to society is a waste of energy that can be utilized for serving our communities. The intense attention by our sexual nature, Hollywood, & talks about how to find a mate like this, keeps us focused on the dating merry-go-round. W/ all due respect, there's few if any talks on how to celebrate & optimize whatever current state we find ourselves in, as beloved sons & daughters of God, as fully worthy contributors to a healthy society.

  • @vernaybell5456
    @vernaybell5456 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad I found this teaching, after some bad dates.
    Thank you!

  • @rr8913
    @rr8913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This man is brilliant.

  • @sueelmy2363
    @sueelmy2363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best video and words of wisdom I have ever heard!!

  • @clairwright4365
    @clairwright4365 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spot on, Mark Thank you.

  • @shawnaCMFSG6137
    @shawnaCMFSG6137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is really a great way to see things and knowing about what God says in a way that stays with you

  • @pamelac49
    @pamelac49 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    One issue the girl says oh I can change him
    And the guy says I pray she never changes.....such disappointment!!

  • @waldensiansylph4869
    @waldensiansylph4869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's incredible how, while many are struggling to just eek out a decent existence around the globe, here I am wanting to find a love that lasts a lifetime, to build a family. Don't we all want stability and what's right and good in life? Why do we always want the best?
    Humanity always chasing dreams, and sometimes catching them, like the men who invented flight. I'm determined to dream on and pray in hopes that maybe, maybe~
    Btw, with your ending about marrying earlier: my grandmother had nine children, and the ones with successful happy marriages were those who married in their late 20s and early 30s. The others who married super young are divorced. Might want to see if all those values took yet in that other person, and I feel time is a pretty good revealer of that. I'm sure there's exceptions, and also times were different back then. Different times call for different measures.

  • @centerfold8
    @centerfold8 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    From experience I can say he is right on the money about who you date

  • @morgangreenlee2091
    @morgangreenlee2091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best dating sermon ever!!

  • @jmj1852
    @jmj1852 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    such intelligent and 100% true advice... believe me I been married 35 yrs

    • @jkg5665
      @jkg5665 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, you also married at a much much different era, i bet dating was much more truthful and less games back then!

  • @OldToughDW
    @OldToughDW 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I accepted Jesus at 14 and for the next 16 years I had an on again; off again walk. I had issues from growing up in a house with extreme child and spousal, from a parent with narcissistic personality disorder and who went from irritated to a blind rage in seconds. My sister has it too. They are/were sociopaths. I inherited that temper, and because I felt worthless and blamed myself for their problems I engaged in self destructive risk taking behavior. It took me until I was in my mid-30's to get control of my temper. But I married a NPD woman.. She repeatedly demanded a divorce after I turned my life over to Jesus for good.
    Jesus did change me, but it was a process, which took years. And that temper is still there, but I avoid the things that trigger it, and keep it from getting to the point where the temper controls me. But it took years of self discipline and God's help.
    No woman can change a man unless; 1. He wants to change. 2. It isn't something hard wired in. 3. they don't try to control and dominate him. 4. She doesn't expect him to be just like a woman internally. AND 4 out of 5 women want 2 or more of those things when they say, "I can change him."

  • @yohanaalem1332
    @yohanaalem1332 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    God forgive me for everything I did

  • @ericsucharski6635
    @ericsucharski6635 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely love this video. Thank you, Mark, for speaking the truth

  • @oneoutoftheninety-nine.3314
    @oneoutoftheninety-nine.3314 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So good. I excepted Jesus 10 years ago. And now just starting to heal, recovering from drugs and alchol, and not in a relationship. I am more focused on myself. But hope to one day have a good christian man in my life.

  • @letranminhthu1207
    @letranminhthu1207 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is powerful man 👍

  • @FunLearn703
    @FunLearn703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Subhana allah! Everything he says is exactly what islam says too.. Ma shaa allah no hate! Loved it!

    • @Rheathedragon7
      @Rheathedragon7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      raqeeba shayista I agree with you everything he says is Islamic laws and Sunnah’s of how to find a spouse give to us 1400years ago by our prophet peace be upon him. It’s like he picked up the Quran and went step by step

    • @FunLearn703
      @FunLearn703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Rheathedragon7 yea 😀

    • @nadaghani8792
      @nadaghani8792 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Except for the twisted stories of prophets David and Solomon peace be upon them.... read their true stories in the Quran; it is respectful and descent as is supposed to be for God prophets...

    • @PS.R.SELF357
      @PS.R.SELF357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nadaghani8792 liar, the bible does not hide anyone's sins, there is no hypocrisy in there. That's why all the stories are told as they were

    • @Jesuslily
      @Jesuslily 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yet Islam teaches polygamy, Muhamed had severel wives, including a child, and sharia is quite anti-woman. I would never marry a man who saw Muhamed as a role model or who accepted sharia law as God-willed. Integrity and character are so important. Jesus is the only perfect Person. And He is the only one who sets free and purifies man's heart.

  • @jishudas5182
    @jishudas5182 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Even when someone is not dating this is will make you go lol...... he is hilarious

  • @iradanilevich9297
    @iradanilevich9297 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mark, you are great! Very impressive! Love you!

  • @carlaaustin7223
    @carlaaustin7223 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I found I agree with him. You do things in the heat of the moment, live in regret. They're rarely faithful.

  • @selflove9841
    @selflove9841 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great message, thank you 😊

  • @mabeldurocher2258
    @mabeldurocher2258 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello - ever since I first saw this video - certain attitudes have changed about relationships . I have not been engaging in dating - because I’m anticipating courtship instead . To me this means keep my hands to myself .. and be patient . God is Faithful .

  • @BulkBrogan.
    @BulkBrogan. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The bible used the term "yolked" for a reason if one of the animals pulling a wagon is slacking off the other animal with slowly but surely tear it's body apart and kill itself pulling more weight than it was meant to carry so please please please don't hitch yourself up to a weak ox on purpose cus you think you can fix them

  • @Jondsmusic
    @Jondsmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Boy this issue really opens up a Pandora’s box. Hard lessons I’ve had to learn. Thankfully we are in transition out of the Jezebel feminist spirit so pervasive on women these days. The main thing I see in dating is the lack of balance. People who try to Christianse their way out of issues that are emotional and mentally based, that a true therapist can fix. And those who don’t spend enough time on the word asking God for his direction.
    You have to be a whole person in order to attract a whole person. Be emotionally open, present and available so you can attract the same. You attract who and what you are, bottom line.
    I’m waiting until marriage for sex, even kissing. I’m doing it the Lords way going forward.

  • @mingmingyang3660
    @mingmingyang3660 7 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Hey guys, dating is not for fun but finding the suitable person for you.

    • @MrErzberg
      @MrErzberg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's silly. Do you really want a first date to be a marriage interview? I don't. You can't just walk into a serious relationship right away, it has to start somewhere. A great way to kill a budding relationship is to start putting marital expectations on it.

    • @0326hkim
      @0326hkim 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      i disagree. dating is supposed to be fun.

    • @wizardprang
      @wizardprang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The moment you realize that you aren't marrying that person , stop dating them. To do otherwise is playing with fire.

    • @madamsophia1503
      @madamsophia1503 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      mingming Yang: Agree. Nearly every girl is looking for something meaningful and long term. She is looking for her hero. Sure it’s fun for the guy, he has nothing to lose. He is getting satiated & satisfied. Men “having fun” creates embittered & disappointed women. Women need to learn to not emotionally invest right away...men have to first earn our love & prove their intentions.

    • @lisalittle6158
      @lisalittle6158 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      If you're hanging out with a great person, dating often is fun. But there should always be the running question, "At some point in the future, could I marry this person?" At the beginning the answer will be, "Possibly, I don't really know yet." If you've been dating for a while and its still "I don't know yet", figure out WHY you don't know yet. And if the answer ever is, "marriage to this person is a bad idea," then dating after this is also a bad idea.

  • @isabellebrn2224
    @isabellebrn2224 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m Muslim and I appreciate this speech because the same principle apply to Islam.

  • @MsMarisabel13
    @MsMarisabel13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Agreed... The happy marriages I know are people married young and no sexual activity before marriage!

  • @jennriedy6626
    @jennriedy6626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So he says not to marry after dating for just 7 months...how long did he date DeAnna? His first wife died in December 2017, and he married DeAnna sometime in 2018...

  • @kaitlyne1870
    @kaitlyne1870 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All of this makes so much sense to me and it baffles me that people do the things he's saying not to! I see so many people do this stuff, and I don't see how they don't realize why things keep going wrong for them. It's crazy!

  • @donnar.decoteau5762
    @donnar.decoteau5762 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank You So So very much ...i was enjoying it and laughed so hard , the thing that impacted me was the reset button , second chances , Your Amazing At What You Do , You Do It Well . well i m single and going to watch the dating video ,
    GOD BLESS YOU ...💫

  • @lindabarasa2025
    @lindabarasa2025 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Ps.Mark.....for along time av always wanted to be there for people and just couldnt value myself and felt stepped on by everyone around me....i always thought i have a problem..yes i did because i just didnt value myself.But thank you for hitting out this stupid belief in me.
    am worthy and am gonna value myself.

  • @scottyp7796
    @scottyp7796 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow... I needed this

  • @alexandriahalford
    @alexandriahalford 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do personally feel like God will put someone in your life if you stay true to him. I’ve been celibate for a year now and I would pray to God for a God fearing loving man that was like me that could be my husband. People would come up to me and tell me that one day god will bless me with a husband and I hadn’t said anything to them. I took care of my mom who recently passed away and 3 days later I got a text from a old high school friend. He’s exactly what I’d prayed for in my opinion. We share similarities in many ways and though I haven’t seen in him a couple of years, just by our somewhat daily talks, he’s opened about his past, his truth, and who he is yet he’s flawed and has a interesting past. Would I married him to him as time goes, but so far he’s cool.

  • @theresakelly1915
    @theresakelly1915 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m getting ready to go on my first date in many many years. Don’t even know how to start....
    I just want my friend that I really like to be a buddy, go fishing, hiking....
    We are both Christians! It’s his character that attracts me to him.

  • @sharni888
    @sharni888 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whatever he preaches is EXACTLY what I have always practised. God bless I have a happy n blessed life. Everyday is so beautiful for me n my family. PREVENTION is better than CURE 😊

  • @JoolieEm
    @JoolieEm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:05 - totally disagree. A person can be completely different from their family and just because he/she grew up in an abusive environment or any environment that wasn't healthy - does not mean the person will manifest such behaviour in their marriage. People learn from the mistakes of their parents and can really not allow them to impact their behaviour. Also, if that was a decisive factor in whether to marry a person or not I would never want to be with that guy. It's as if to say: yeah... I see your father is very critical about things, I'm sure you'll be the same to me. This is very judgmental and damaging to the couple. Also, you don't even have to deal with that family. My brother in law and my father don't get along well so they never meet at ANY family gatherings. It's doable, really :)

  • @carlaaustin7223
    @carlaaustin7223 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He says very wise things. You want a mature Christian not a newby Christian. They don't have any maturity in Christ and that makes the difference not their age. God has work to do in this person's life before you are able to really see who they're becoming. You need to be able to trust that for better or worse is something they are able capable dealing with. Children trust you are taking care of them. Meaning you had forethought about this person and seeing if capable of being a parent- being loving, good provider, homemaker, raising children in a godly manner.

  • @ViolinistJeff
    @ViolinistJeff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:05 Apparently the Greeks had a good understanding of what it meant to be "one flesh."

  • @sarafoxe8775
    @sarafoxe8775 6 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The main flaw I see with this is that God created 1 person for Adam. He DID make one special person for him, simply to make him happy....
    I think he still does that today; at least He knows the best possible match for you, because He knows everyone on the planet. If He has the hairs on you head numbered, then He knows the person you are meant to marry.

    • @audriemelyn2034
      @audriemelyn2034 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Sara Foxe listen to messages by Myles Munroe. It changed my life. He said that God never said Eve was Adam’s wife. He just made her and presented her to Adam. Adam was the one who said she was his wife. So Myles Munroe explained that God presents people to you but he doesn’t choose your spouse. He lets you choose.
      th-cam.com/video/Fepg56F0ajs/w-d-xo.html

    • @jaliyahrobert3984
      @jaliyahrobert3984 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yassss sis

    • @mango2779
      @mango2779 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eve was created specifically as the first woman and yes God knows the desire of your heart and what you like. But God works with your choices. You need to use your head about who choose to love, because you allow yourself to have desire for someone.
      People get divorced and or leave. They were once special. Did that change? Maybe they end up cheating... that’s not how it was at first... bad things happen to what people thought was “meant to be”.... God can lead you to someone if you pray about it and ask... but if it’s someone you just became crazy about... be careful and use good judgment is what he is saying... even if you care about them if something isn’t right and not good- need to leave. God has something else...
      But death and divorce happen- sometimes the other person doesn’t choose to work things out when they could... so there is more than one person you can be with is the point.
      Keep God in your daily life and decisions. He will help you make the right choices.

    • @nataliagalecka3614
      @nataliagalecka3614 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Genesis and a few other books are SYMBOLIC so there were no Adam or Eva (as they are not historical characters).
      And yes. Theory of evolution may turn out to be true and it won't change a single thing for Christians.

    • @mango2779
      @mango2779 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Natalia Brzekowska
      God exists. I have communicated with Him through prayer, thoughts He brought to mind, helping me find my car keys when I had given up, a still small voice- the more you claim by faith in His word the more He can reveal himself to you. The Bible is living word. Creation was made in 6 days rested on the Sabbath. Sanctified it as a covenant between He and man. He’s God. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. That is what I believe.

  • @kaijumecha5766
    @kaijumecha5766 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Soulmate is someone who can torture us the way that we want!

  • @snush8871
    @snush8871 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am a Muslim and if he was not saying he is Christian I would think that he is an Islamic lecturer!
    He talks wisdom.

  • @LisaGemini
    @LisaGemini 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sex does make you stupid. Mark is smart and funny.

  • @njabulothemba2233
    @njabulothemba2233 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great advice!!!

  • @sharni888
    @sharni888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love is NOT blind. Use your brains to check about their CHARACTER, how many ppl have they dated or slept with😝👎, about their health, their education level, family background amongst other things.

  • @angelinagonzalez635
    @angelinagonzalez635 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    we both love each other. But it really hurts me when his friends tell him I'm a cougar

    • @Mahnstermosh
      @Mahnstermosh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Angelina Gonzalez I know it's crude but it is a compliment saying you are an exceptionally attractive woman.

  • @heaven9142
    @heaven9142 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God bless you

  • @MyJackel13
    @MyJackel13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live what you said about reaction. I said this how are they when they're mad

  • @Star-vg7ix
    @Star-vg7ix 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Don't judge people on their past...this is highly unfair. Having crazy family does not mean that you are marrying someone who is going to be crazy to you...this is stupid reasoning

    • @xxxxxxxx8903
      @xxxxxxxx8903 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cheryl G past behavior is best predictor of future behavior. If they’ve not been changed for a minimum of 6 months, likelihood is theyre still the same person who did those thing.
      As for the family thing... as he said, even if SO is sane, you’ll still at least have to deal with their family. And if they spend a lot of time with their crazy family then 99% likelihood they are crazy too. You dont spend time with crazy people and not go crazy yourself.

    • @42Maat
      @42Maat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cheryl G I agree with you. This is too judgmental and unfair

    • @justfaith7505
      @justfaith7505 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheryl G if it’s not broken it can happen again

    • @wilsonwaigwa520
      @wilsonwaigwa520 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed! This is true!

    • @esebams6211
      @esebams6211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I find that patterns in families do repeat themselves. Obviously it’s not 100% but is most definitely is important to look at

  • @debrahuddleston1310
    @debrahuddleston1310 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Forget dinner. Ladies rule the outcome of a meeting. Meet for coffee & dessert, comfy clothes and talk. You know within an hour if you want to see this person again or not. Cheers! PS. I was engaged 16 months and didn't live with him before marriage. Wedding night horrors!

  • @mabeldurocher2258
    @mabeldurocher2258 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember my supernatural grandparents tell me that when they got married - the woman was 16 .. and they agreed before hand .. divorce would never come into any situation . There are 2 bedrooms for a reason .. to spend quality time with Jesus - then come together again sharing the solution God gave each of them . This is also part of my inheritance . Yeah God !!!

  • @kathyunderwood1718
    @kathyunderwood1718 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have to disagree with you. I found my soul mate and we were together for over 30 years when he passed away. I had the forever kind of love that most people search for but never find.

    • @007unity
      @007unity 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats Good to hear yoyr story.
      Id like to add...the fact that you were together till death did u apart, is no evidence that soulmates exist. Like the Pastor said, the two of you may have lived unselfish towards each other. And work for the best interest of your marriage.

    • @sweet-ju6hx
      @sweet-ju6hx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@007unity There do exist soul or spirit mates...that God chose long ago for me even before i was born...I Do know....You can tell who they are to you when you found them just as Matthew realized who Jesus is when he first saw Him...

    • @007unity
      @007unity 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sweet-ju6hx You will need to provide sufficient bible evidence to support that. These soulmate ideas come from greek mythology. The god Zeus curse mankind to search his whole life for his soulmate.

    • @Theprincessinyellow
      @Theprincessinyellow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I absolutely adore any love story that feels the way you have felt and I wish that for everyone! However, the fact that it is so rare to find someone like that, and a relationship like that both was such a blessing for you but also evidence that we don’t have soulmates given by God, otherwise what does that mean for everyone who hasn’t found theirs? And what would that mean for the idea of God’s plan being sovereign.

  • @Rapture-Ready888
    @Rapture-Ready888 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    It seems young men these days care more about climbing mountains then to settle down with a young lady, marrying her and having a family. This is what I am observing these days. Very sad.

    • @jaizrox
      @jaizrox 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Gentle Gentile girls dont want a basic guy- thats the thing. Either be successful or rich. They are picky. So we have to work hard.

    • @Rapture-Ready888
      @Rapture-Ready888 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The right girl with the right guy will take you just as you are. That is true love. Women will not accept abuse whether it be verbally or physically. Nor will they accept flirting or cheating with other women. If the woman won't accept you as you are, then she isn't the one for you. Same thing for women. If a man won't accept you as you are, then move on, cause he ain't the one! All work and no play (time together), makes for a dull day :) Blessings to you!

    • @plerpplerp5599
      @plerpplerp5599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gentle Gentile ..hmm😩

    • @Rapture-Ready888
      @Rapture-Ready888 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmm.. WHAT??

    • @wizardprang
      @wizardprang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Some of the most loyal and selfless women out there are with abusive, disloyal and uncaring men. True or false?

  • @olivest509
    @olivest509 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I react, I get emotionally overwhelmed and either start crying uncontrollably or withdraw and hide away from people until I have figured out how to deal with the problem rationally. What does that say about me?

    • @xxxxxxxx8903
      @xxxxxxxx8903 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Olivest That you should practise dealing with your emotions more efficiently maybe? If you dont work on it there is a chance that it will get worse.

    • @olivest509
      @olivest509 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xxxxxxxx8903 thank you for your response! I do practice, using techniques that my therapist has taught me, but the improvement is slow. I'm doing better with learning to communicate effectively, though, and part of that is staying calm and present. Today I had some very challenging situations where I had to communicate with a hostile and unreasonable person, and it went well on my end and I didn't break down in tears, although I wanted to. I am learning not to put so much emphasis on vindicating myself (because she will hate me and believe I'm a bad person no matter what I say), and more on handling the situation calmly and maturely without backing down and letting her walk all over me.

    • @xxxxxxxx8903
      @xxxxxxxx8903 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@olivest509 I think that's a very good answer to your first question. "What does it say about me... That I put time and effort into practice so that I will be able to handle situations calmly and maturely without backing down and letting other people walk all over me?"

    • @blackwidowotilia
      @blackwidowotilia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My last boyfriend acted this way. He could not have relationship. He was abusive I'm every way. He could not communicate. He got very overwhelmed all the time. Needed his video games to calm down. But he was autistic. The most difficult experience of my life. Just sharing.

    • @copperredd
      @copperredd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its good that u wait to understand your situation before reacting.... That's better than lashing out in the heat of the moment...

  • @ruthberhe2369
    @ruthberhe2369 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's all true...thank you.

  • @chimakalu41
    @chimakalu41 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:00 Wow that is true The Bible Does not talk about Soulmates

    • @chimakalu41
      @chimakalu41 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Doug Gardner Good point. I stand corrected.

  • @sousouhi4972
    @sousouhi4972 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Mashallah♥️ Islam teaches this too. Definitely agree broski 👌🏻

  • @nabeliaree
    @nabeliaree 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I laughed at completely different things than the audience. And yeah, I'm dating for a few months, I'm starting to see it as serious... This helped so much! :)

  • @flosh1000
    @flosh1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What has this all to do with beeing a Christian? This is logical thinking! like people can't think for themselves without a god?
    Even without the Christian thing he's got a point! it's great!

    • @maretvilla1531
      @maretvilla1531 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Non Christians won't agree with no sex before marriage. For them, that's not only outdated but also stupid and illogical.

  • @kevohsulie1
    @kevohsulie1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    41:27 what's the video he's talking about?

  • @gailmclaughlin6688
    @gailmclaughlin6688 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, there is no hope for me. I came from a dysfunctional home both parents were alcoholics and I was sexually abused, verbal abuse, physical abuse, and I was very promiscuous when I was younger, I am 56 and have never been married, overweight, and poor. I am a Christain and follow the Gods way now. I don't sleep around anymore and regret that I did big time regret, had a baby out of wedlock. So there is no point in even trying. I live by myself and will die by myself. I know I mess my life up and paying for it dearly, to the day I die.

    • @beulahsaid1059
      @beulahsaid1059 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gail McLaughlin I don’t think you should think like that. From the sounds of it, seems like you need alot of healing.

    • @truthseeker3967
      @truthseeker3967 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gail McLaughlin
      This is my testimony on remarriage adultery. I have a tendency to regret my past also, but hopefully, I can use it to help others-- you know make lemonade out of those lemons-- easier said than done. But if you have Jesus, hang on to him because you have the best this world has to offer. Plus, there will be no marriage in heaven. Encourage and refresh yourself in the Lord. If I could I would give you a hug.

      www.evangelicaloutreach.org/audio/remarriage-adultery-repentance-testimony.mp3
      www.eternallifeblog.com/tears-in-heaven/
      www.evangelicaloutreach.org/he-who-overcomes.htm
      www.evangelicaloutreach.org/encourage-yourself-in-the-Lord.htm

    • @chiderawinifredamazu6191
      @chiderawinifredamazu6191 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are blessed Gail...
      More than you can ever imagine..
      You know when the bible talks of a new man. Something changes from the inside out...not the way you might expect...
      Gradually, slowly, you gain your peace. You only have to give yourself an alone time with God. Meditate on how much healing you can get and how you can help a lot of young girls out there.
      I love you Gain...Christ loves you more...

    • @valeriehunt5731
      @valeriehunt5731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's never too late to release the past and welcome the new day, even letting folks get to know a new you. My ex-mother-in-law married at 72 yrs old after some years passed since her 1st hubby died.

  • @ceciliamitchell4269
    @ceciliamitchell4269 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hosea was sent to remarry his wife. So God DID tell him EXACTLY who to marry. It's GOOD to know yr BIBLE FOR YOURSELF

  • @yvonnesishuwa7500
    @yvonnesishuwa7500 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If it looks like a skunk..smells like a skunk...😂😂😂😂

  • @lentekrokus7936
    @lentekrokus7936 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sorry , to disappoint all of us, but Life or marriage in general is not all about you. Life is about all of us. If you want everything is all about you, please stay single. Marriage is about Emotionally, Financially, Practically . Go do the Courting and not dating and sleeping together. YOU ARE NEVER TOO YOUNG TO COMMIT, it is possible that you are too old to commit, because you don t believe in anything anymore......You dont need money to marriage, neither education degree. You need love, commitment , respect, believe and hard work. Do not marry too late.

  • @dominiqueblagojevic9447
    @dominiqueblagojevic9447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was grown up at 18 yrs old. But men I know are not grown up so I'm 35 waiting for a real man

    • @jmoney9168
      @jmoney9168 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Out of 3.7 billion males you can't find a "real" man?

    • @dominiqueblagojevic9447
      @dominiqueblagojevic9447 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jmoney9168 uh no!

    • @anitahscorner
      @anitahscorner 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you 27 and waiting...

    • @valeriehunt5731
      @valeriehunt5731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Attracting someone means we may need to learn how God can bring us to being the kind of person he designed us to be.

  • @chebmikhaela
    @chebmikhaela 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So true about waiting.
    My mom always told me to wait. I am 30 and dont take marriage seriously and dont even want to find a man. :(

    • @RE-hw4tt
      @RE-hw4tt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought like that, but then it hit me that I want to have kids. To find a good man that want to have kids takes time, times flies by so fast, have that into consideration.

    • @valeriehunt5731
      @valeriehunt5731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe you need to hear what Mark says about 'self-satisfact' by way of masterbation. It diminishes desire.

  • @Just_logic
    @Just_logic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is very good

  • @pleaseenteryournamehere9593
    @pleaseenteryournamehere9593 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Is this guy a comedian or pastor?

    • @sueelmy2363
      @sueelmy2363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      cant he be both, he makes it interesting and entertaining while still teaching us

    • @kmtendenilla6301
      @kmtendenilla6301 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @altapura8452
      @altapura8452 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      He is a pastor with a very good sense of humor.

    • @blackwidowotilia
      @blackwidowotilia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How easy we have accepted humor in our churches. No one preaches against a sin. Living righteous, holy etc. We have become no different than the world. It is why there are hundreds of Christian churches but no major change. The holy spirit is missing which convicts is, changes us, convicts when we see the world in church.
      There are no pastor's like David Wilkerson that God used in amazing ways.
      Without holiness and becoming like Christ we will NOT be saved. I say this without a shadow of a doubt.
      Lord help us ALL to truly repent and live for Christ.
      How sad would it be at the end of this journey to hear,"depart I never knew you?"
      Bible says if you are lukewarm he will spat you out.
      This guy belongs in a comedy club.

    • @pleaseenteryournamehere9593
      @pleaseenteryournamehere9593 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sue Elmy yes but he is ordained hes not a public speaker

  • @Bocca202
    @Bocca202 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent.

  • @BruceJC75
    @BruceJC75 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    soon enough my parents will need full time care. Nobody wants to be with a caretaker.

    • @reallifestories7197
      @reallifestories7197 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Take care of them, no one will love as they do
      And if someone really loves you he will respect that and love you even more

  • @christinawitt7260
    @christinawitt7260 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I could have seen this a long time ago.

  • @Toporshik
    @Toporshik 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When you're Russian and you try to read the subtitles because they are in Cyrillic. But it's Bulgarian >

    • @realtalktina
      @realtalktina 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But you're writing in English

    • @Toporshik
      @Toporshik 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@realtalktina why shouldn't I?
      No one will understand what I say here in Russian and I still don't know Bulgarian)
      Yes, I understand what he says in the video, but my eyes are still drawn to familiar letter shapes and my mind tries to decode them unconsciously.

    • @realtalktina
      @realtalktina 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Toporshik I get it, I moved to France 6months ago from the USA. It's not easy❤

  • @42Maat
    @42Maat 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Judging a person for their family is utterly unfair. No one decided their parent or siblings. Thumbs down

    • @naomigates30
      @naomigates30 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's not what he was saying at all. He was just saying some people have good parents and some dont. Which hinders some people because they dont have certain things instilled in them that good parents have

    • @irvincruz7992
      @irvincruz7992 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Judging?? 😂😂

  • @aurorap.7578
    @aurorap.7578 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have not dated a guy because of his family. I just couldn’t deal with them

  • @daveroy1066
    @daveroy1066 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    David Farragut was 12 years old when, during the War of 1812, he was given the assignment to bring a ship captured by the Essex safely to port.[15] He was wounded and captured while serving on the Essex during the engagement at Valparaíso Bay, Chile, against the British on March 28, 1814.

  • @Absolutelymadison
    @Absolutelymadison 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are wrong. God does choose spouses for people. If you let God pick your spouse, it will be blessed. Finding your own spouse and demanding that God blesses it is wrong and prideful. God gave eve to Adam. He could have created 4 girls and told him to date and choose. He didn't. There is one spouse made for another person so they can do kingdom purposes together. If you want scripture and proof of God being your matchmaker I highly recommend the book called God is Your Matchmaker by steffany Herzog. Her husband has been on Sid Roth its supernatural several times and they used to do revivals in Paris. Highly anointed and educated.

    • @007unity
      @007unity 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you give us scriptures in the OT and NT where God chose spouses?
      Adam and Eve is not an example to use. And remember, Adam's "soulmate" caused him to sin- destroying his relationship with his creator. Just because God sent you your "soulmate", doesnt imply it will be blessed by default.
      Being the right person is 100 times better, then finding the right person. Jesus never came to save the right people. He came for the wrongs ones, and after we are saved, He expects us live right

    • @valeriehunt5731
      @valeriehunt5731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      While this statement is right (If you let God pick your spouse, it will be blessed), to say Mark is wrong means you may have missed his complete message.

  • @JonHuhnMedical
    @JonHuhnMedical 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A lot of true things were said in this video, however I need to take issue with one of his points, and that is that the only reason why a marriage ever breaks up is because one or both people are selfish. Marriage is like wearing a shoe on a long distance hike. Hopefully your feet and the shoes will adapt to each other during the hike, however if they're not able to, then the skin will be rubbed raw and eventually deadly infection can set in. Some couples are so incompatible that they can't adapt to each others' needs, and the resulting long term misery can be very destructive in spite of their best efforts.