Do Miracles Prove that Rome is the True Church?
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In this video, I address the question: Do miracles such as Fatima prove that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church?
I’m Catholic.... and agree with you. Miracles and supernatural phenomena- in and of themselves- do not prove the veracity of one’s claims. Spiritual prelest is a real danger, and, as St John warns, when Anti-Christ comes, he will perform supernatural wonders.
I would be appreciative if you would do a theological critique on Fatima.
"Miracles and supernatural phenomena.. *do not prove* the veracity of one’s claims."
-Then why did God *waste his time* doing them?
@@AlphaOmega888 simple ,to prove that he has dominion over all the other petty supernatural forces out there , that his power is unmatched.
@@AlphaOmega888 are you not familiar with Scripture passages that tell us not to follow someone doing signs if they aren't in accord with Scripture?
Yup I’m orthodox and I’m shocked and totally unsurprised that Latins, who are so steeped in their “wisdom” in the renaissance, deny miracles.
@UCmn9TI8nX89b4jxI5HZf5oA Even I’m convinced that Fatima happened and I’m orthodox.
Protestants and evangelicals have miracles too - they are called ”changed lives“
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Interestingly enough, by far the most well attested Marian apparition in history occurred not within the Roman Catholic Church, but the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria in Egypt during the late 1960’s, Our Lady of Zeitoun. Millions of Christians, Muslims, and nonbelievers all witnessed the Virgin appear over the Coptic Church of the Virgin Mary over the course of several years. After no plausible natural explanation could be found, the Egyptian government under the staunchly Muslim Gamal Abdel Nasser even recognized them as legitimate.
The Catholic Church recognise the Orthodox churches as being churches in a true sense. That is not the case with the other denominations
That's beautiful, but nothing seems more attested than Our Lady of Guadalupe because she actually left her image behind, and that image is an undeniable work of God🕊
@@karpov7233That’s not how the RCC viewed the Orthodox before Vatican II. That’s another inconsistency that they have.
@@jd3jefferson556l will suggest to look more in the "evidence" of the virgin of Guadalupe. That is a man made story.
I have seen the “photos” of Mary from the Egyptian event. They are as fake as can be. The apparitions occurred over several years on a regular basis and people gave very detailed descriptions of Mary yet no good quality pics or film are available. That is a problem.
Given the circumstances in which Eucharistic miracles have occured, celebrating them seems akin to framing your eviction notice and hanging it on the wall.
This reminded me of Matthew 24:24 which speaks of false Christs and prophets arising, performing great signs and wonders, so as to mislead if possible even the elect. Jesus even said that an evil generation seeks after signs. There are many levels of supernatural activity. Many are deceptive appearing as angels of light. It is essential to pray for discernment and stop opening ourselves to deception by fooling around with occult tools like horoscopes and tarot cards. It’s amazing how many Lutherans are into this stuff. That needs to be addressed in the church.
If signs are the only thing you use to discern what is or is not of God, then you can be deceived by the beasts of Revelation.
"And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived."
(Revelation 13:13-14)
This could be interpreted in a variety of ways.
@@onyejefuanyebe5314 Maybe, but where are the examples in the church fathers of a view that does not mean that the beast can perform what appear to be miraculous signs?
Please do break down the specific things. I appreciate this video and resonate with a lot of what you said.
Also, why do so many Catholic TH-cam accounts feel a need to engage in triumphalist polemics on non-Catholic videos? "By their fruits you will know them" comes to mind...
Can you give an example?
This was a awesome answer to my question. Thank you so much for it!
Further videos on Fatima would be tremendously interesting, doctor.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the message of Fatima. I find it really fascinating, and while I am familiar with the more naturalistic critiques of the story, would be interested in a gospel/message oriented analysis.
The message is to pray the rosary for peace and the coming back to Christ.
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
@@mitchellosmer1293 Well no Mitchell. In praying the Rosary we reflect on the life of Jesus Christ. Perhaps you didn't know this.
" there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary."
Lot's of things that you profess as true that are not found in scripture. You can open your bible to the table of contents. This list of books is not found in scripture. Nor is the criteria for deciding. And, there is no passage in scripture that says all of what Christians are to profess and believe is found in scripture alone. You very foundation to your believe system is not in there, sola scriptura.
I remember as a child, in the early 1950s, a woman who would transform into an hideous large snake in public worship at the L.D.S. Mornon "ward" (local Mormon meetinghouse) where my family worshipped during the few years that we were members of the Mormon cult (before coming back to Protestant Christianity). She would lie coiled in the pew and hiss and rattle softly. She claimed that she could do this miraculously, as such weird things took place in Kirkland, Ohio, during Mormonism's early years, but to me, even then, it looked hideous and Satanic.
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That's an effective way to describe it. I should make clear that this lady-viper would not just lie, in human form, coiled in the pew, but would transform before the eyes into a snake, coiled and hissing as a snake, not as merely a crazy-lady doing make-believe. To see her do this was unbelivably disgusting (spiritual to her maybe, but to none that I recall in the congregation, who loathed her transformations on most Sundays, but put up with her anyway).
I knew a young Puerto Rican who had grown up with the synchronistic Santeria (Catholic + voodoo). He had witnessed things or humans transform into equally abominable forms growing up; but eventually was saved by the grace of God.
You're saying you saw a human being transform, physically, into a snake? A regular sized snake? A human sized snake? Are there photos or videos of this?
Here you would hear tales of people having had visions of their past reincarnations, especially around Buddhist circles.
Where is ”here”?
@@RockNow91 Asia
Fatima has a lot of similarities to UFO phenomenon or so I'm told, which cuts against Rome given the occultic backgrounds of UFOs.
As to miracles, the Catholics discounted Jansenist miracles.
During these visits, Strayer writes, "his body was wracked by convulsions that lifted him into the air, his face was contorted by grimaces, and foaming at the mouth, he yelled and screamed for hours on end." A number of other pilgrims began to exhibit similar convulsions, and the convulsion phenomenon began to rival and eclipse the miracle phenomenon.
Sounds like demon possession to me.
@@EricAlHarb yes
@@aGoyforJesus I think you misunderstand me, I think that the Protestant gospel is provably unbiblical, and that’s confirmed by the demonic miracles of the Jansenists, people outside the church are primarily afflicted by Satan to leave the church. Jansen was a Protestant he believed in justification by faith alone.
@@EricAlHarb Jansenius did not believe in justification by faith alone. He believed in strict Augustinian efficacy of grace in predestination. His understanding thereafter of the relation of faith and works resembles the Council of Trent.
You might find a strange alliance with Fr. Josiah Trenham on the topic of Fatima. He told a story about how part of the children's story was supposedly the apparition of the Virgin told them that Russia would be converted. Roman apologists and advocates claim that this means that Russia will become Catholic. Where it gets interesting is that Fr. Trenham (he's Orthodox) was acquainted with the titular king of Portugal, and he was known to be in touch with the last of the children. He asked her if that meant that Russia would be converted to Rome or resume her Orthodoxy. The answer, from one of the witnesses to the event was that she believed it meant Russia would return to Orthodoxy.
I don't know if Fatima happened. I struggle with a lot of the extras that the Roman and Eastern churches accept, but I can say that Fr. Trenham would remember this story. He told it in an interview that is still on TH-cam. Fascinating stuff!
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
Deuteronomy 13 supports what Dr. Cooper said: whether miracles "really happened" is only the initial question. Where the (real) miracles try to lead you--that is the ultimate question: to the one true God and his word or away from him and his word. Given that the doctrine revealed in scripture already has been confirmed by many miracles--including Christ's own resurrection--who has a need to prove their doctrine by ever new miracles except the one who wants to lead you away from what has been revealed once and for all? Think about it. 1 Cor. 1:22-25.
Also, the ability to work miracles should not be confused with being saved--one can do miracles even in Christ's name but still not do the will of the Father. Matt. 7:21-23.
So even if the eucharistic miracles really happen, and even if they could be used to determine the blood type or DNA of Christ, do they prove that the Catholic Church does the will of the Father by offering the mass as an (unbloody) sacrifice for the living and the dead?
That's really what this particular type of miracle boils down to. So, good work, Dr. Cooper!
Been a Catholic all my life. I nor do I know anyone who claims Catholic miracles substantiate "the Catholic tradition." Having said that, there are miracles within the Church that give evidence to Catholic beliefs. This includes Eucharistic miracles, where the bread is not bread, but the resurrected body (and blood) of Christ.
Is anyone out there familiar with a solid critique of Fatima, based on evidence? If so, please let me know.
Yes. Go to my channel “a Goy for Jesus”. Did a whole interview on Fatima.
@@geoffrobinson connecting Fatima with UFOs... interesting...! Thank you for the recommendation! 👍
In 1917, Our Lady of Fatima, Portugal:
"The war is going to end, but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI, When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father.
WW1 did end in 1918 and WW2 did start at the Pontificate of Pius XI (1922-1939), and the night illumined by an unknown light did happen
(1938, an unearthly phenomenon lit up the skies all over Europe and as far away as Bermuda. September of 1938, Dr. Carl Stoermer of the Institute of Theoretical Astrophysics in Oslo, Norway, published an article in a scientific journal indicating that the incident of January 25 was of unaccountable origin and mysterious in nature. He wrote that throughout the exhibition there was a noise “similar to the sound of burning grass and brush” in contrast to the silence of an aurora borealis.).
Fatima:
"If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world,..
" Stalin called for an "atheist five year plan" from 1932-1937, in order to completely eliminate all religious expression in the USSR. It was declared that the concept of God would disappear from the Soviet Union.
The first modern no-fault divorce law was enacted in 1917 in Soviet Russia.
A primary goal of the Bolsheviks was to break down the traditional ‘bourgeois’ structure of the family in order to equalize the status of men and women.
- Soviet Russia under Lenin became the first country in the world to allow abortion in all circumstances.
Russia continues to be a headache to world peace, together with China and Iran, which it fully supports..
Mass hallucinations occur at Bethel all the time
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I feel fairly confident believing the sun didn't bounce around. I'd feel that way even if everyone there had the same report as to what happened. If the sun bounced around everyone on earth would have noticed.
That is a great point.
Are there any protestant miricles that endorse a teaching not tought by the catholic church? Or is it that every protestant miricle endorsing a teaching tought by protestants is also tought by the catholics. For example asking god to heal you or someone else, this is permissible in both traditions, however eucharistic miricles only endorse a teaching tought by catholics.
Eucharistic miracles are also theoretically possible in some forms of Protestantism. So a Catholic Eucharistic miracle wouldn't necessarily be contradictory.
I would also love a video on your take on the messages of Fatima and other such miracles.
There seems to be a wide chasm between the God-caused miracles recorded in the Bible and the miracles claimed to be wrought since. One of the reasons I’m personally a cessationist. Not only in the nature and degree of the miracles but in their purpose as well.
Where does the New testament teaches that God will cease to do miracles?
@@angelbonilla4243 I agree that it doesn’t per se, but it does seem to indicate that miraculous spiritual gifts will cease in 1 Cor. 13:8-10. Also, if the supposed miracles are revelatory in nature I don’t see how that squares with the NT indication that God’s final revelation is through His Son and delivered once for all in the first century (Heb. 1:1-2; Jude 3).
You focus on Fatima but I think Eucharystic Miracles is the Issue that needs profound, thought-over, thourough and convincing statement from the Lutherans in particular because You believe in the True literal Presence of Jesus in the Lord's Supper. For me it is hard to believe that Eucharystic Miracles are not from God or unbiblical. And These Phenomena are the best documented Miracles in the world and moreover they are permanent. I wish so much I was wrong. Please prove that I am wrong. I want so much to be Lutheran but this issue is nagging me and doesn't allow me to be Lutheran. Dr Cooper please help.
Eucharytic Miracles are absolutely exeptional. There is nothing like Eucharystic Miracles in any other denomination.
@@Punkt_Materialny There actually are. I know of people that have claimed to have been healed by the Eucharist ,all Lutheran or Anglican. Also, I know of one Lutheran woman that had a vision during the Lutheran Eucharist that confirmed her belief in presence of Christ's body and blood in the sacrament.
However, visions and miracles aren't as prominent in Protestantism in terms of religion. So they just aren't talked about as openly.
So "Big Question" here: So which church (in your opinion) is the "One true church" (as intended by Christ) after he died as was resurrected? Was it the (A) Catholic Church, which formed 100s of years after the death of his apostles? or (B) A "breakoff" of the catholic church in the reformation (lutheranism, etc)? or even (C) A "restorative church"? or (D) no need for any organized church (as long as one has the bible and follows it more or less)?
Yeah Eucharistic Miracles definitely throw a wrench in Protestantism (At least those that don’t believe in the true presence). See as a Catholic we can believe in Non-Catholic Miracles. But Marian and Eucharistic miracles point can’t be real or have to be demonic for most Protestant viewpoints to be true.
As a Roman Catholic, I have often wondered how the confessional Lutherans might answer the question of miracles. Thanks
for your clear explanation. The fact that you acknowledged "miracles" being possible among non-Christian faiths was surprising. Thanks much for the ONLY clear insight I was ever given by an educated Protestant on this matter.
There is nothing in contradiction to the Catholic faith that God can perform miracles to all peoples. In fact, miracles to non-Christians have been means for their conversion.
What is the difference between the church called mother and her daughters, the churches of men? Barely a difference. For as the Word of the Lord has spoken to the generation of His wrath: "Behold, even those who rebelled against her, who proclaim they are set apart from her, remain like her, practicing those same things which I said they shall not do! And though they say, “We are not daughters,” daughters they remain.
Thus the harlot shall be torn in pieces! Her flesh shall be eaten, and she shall be burned with fire, as it is written! And all her daughters, yes, all you churches of men, shall be severely abased! Even a great purging shall come forth from within the midst of you; behold, you shall be stripped naked and left desolate in the Great and Terrible Day of The Lord!"
Mother church, yes you catholics. And all her daughters, do you remember the warning declared during the days of Moses? For his generations and the generations to come, to all of us: You shall not add to or take away from the Word. Therefore hear The Truth regarding the church called mother and the changing of Law.
"Thus says The Lord God: You shall not desecrate the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week, which I have commanded you to remember and keep holy. For as I had spoken it to My servant Moses, so it is and shall be, even to this day. And as I had spoken it before the congregation, so shall it be done. Yea, with the blowing of the great trumpet, with lightnings and thunderings, did I declare My Law; before the tribes of Israel, and in the presence of angels, did I put My power on open display. Behold, by My own finger was it engravened upon tablets of stone, and by the power of My spirit is it established within the hearts of the penitent.
Yet the churches of men forsake The Law, and the peoples of this world seek to tear down My Commandments! Thus they shall surely die! For transgression of The Law is sin, and the penalty of sin is death. Yet a New Covenant I have sent to you in YahuShua The Messiah, to save you from the penalty of that which you have forsaken. Therefore, you shall live because of Him and set your steps aright, according to that which He upholds and has magnified in Himself, He being the only One who is without sin, having kept every tittle of The Law - blameless.
For it is written: It is easier for the heavens and the earth to pass away, than for one tittle of The Law to fail. For the spirit of The Law is shown in The Messiah’s vesture, He being the same One who taught you The Law anew, by His example and by His every word and deed. For The Law is fulfilled in The Messiah; indeed, He is the goal at which the Torah aims. Thus He is The Lord of The Law and of the Sabbath.
So then give answer, O churches of men:
If He is The Lord of the Sabbath,
Having obeyed My every command,
Why do you not follow Him?...
You say you follow Him and honor Me,
Yet most assuredly, I say to you, you shall
All be found liars in the Day of Reckoning!...
Says The Lord.
And you, O church called Roman and Catholic, how We mourn for you! For you have been judged, and shall be left utterly desolate in the Day of The Lord’s Anger! You say you speak for Me and have The Messiah’s authority, yet I tell you, you have trampled upon the grave of The Resurrected One, making His sacrifice of no effect! WOE TO ALL WHO BLASPHEME THE SPIRIT! Throughout your generations you have not ceased from transgressing The Law by your traditions! Even to this day you embrace every foul and contemptible doctrine, reveling in those things I hate! Behold, you pollute the name of The Messiah by all you say and do, as you lead the people astray!
O unholy church of adulteries, mother of all fornications and lies, your destruction draws near! You have become Egypt! LET MY PEOPLE GO! Stop desecrating My Sabbaths! The seventh day is the Sabbath, which I had ordained from the beginning! Cease from your heresies, hold your tongue from your blasphemies, turn back from this wicked way you have chosen, AND REPENT, and I may yet have mercy upon you! For I am The Lord, and I DO NOT CHANGE!
Therefore heed My words and bow down, O unholy church of men! Hear the Word of The Lord, and be broken in pieces! For The Holy One is coming quickly and will take from you His own; He shall snatch them from your very breast! And no more shall My children receive nourishment from you! No more shall they be held captive under the veil of your deceptions! The light shall be taken from you, and you shall be left all alone, utterly estranged, on account of your unending adulteries and for the multitude of your whoredoms, which you performed in MY NAME!
Thus your fate lies with him who is coming, the wicked one who shall lead many into perdition and death. You shall bear him a son, a man who bears the number of his name, his prophet. Yet you will not be alone when desolations come; you and your enemy, Ishmael, shall receive recompense in full. For you both remain children of your father, the devil.
Behold, The Mighty and Strong One
Shall return and take from the earth
His own, and great recompense
Shall be poured out on all nations...
He shall come in power and great glory,
And Judgment shall sit...
Yet all who come out from among them,
And call upon the name of The Holy One of Israel,
In spirit and in truth, shall be delivered...
Says The Lord."
Says the Lord, amen! Let's call upon the name of the Holy One, in Spirit and Truth! What is His name and where is this Word written you may ask? His Volumes of Truth, the Word of the Lord spoken to this generation.
"Thus says The Lord: Beloved, this Word, even every Volume to every Letter, is the Word of My glory, which I have put forth once again... A testament of My love and sacrifice, the announcement of My coming, a proclamation of truth, revelation of who I really am!... The Trumpet Call of God, so all those called and chosen may hear and come to Me in their proper time and season.
Behold, it is also a strong correction for all those who have taken to themselves MY name and MY Word, to pollute it, a plumb line for this wicked generation! For this Word is a waving banner, an ensign to all nations!... A trumpet of alarm and war, the sound of recompense and judgment, which shall soon fall upon every nation!
For I AM WHO I AM!...
The Only Begotten of The Father!
The One True God and Savior!
The Mashiach!...
YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH!"
Says YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH. One God, One Lord, One Savior. This is your Redeemer, the One who was crucified for our transgressions and defeated death with His resurrection:
"Behold, even the whole of creation shouts,
“YAHUSHUA is YAHUWAH!”
For it is He by whom all things consist,
It is He who causes to be...
For The Lord our God is One!"
Has the Word of the Lord revealed! Behold The Truth of who He is. He who was came first humbled in the flesh with His glory set aside. He who is the Spirit poured out on all flesh, pleading with the heart of every man. And He who is to Come as a Judge with power and great glory! Remember the famine spoken through the prophet of old, Amos. Embrace His Word today if you so choose and also dont forget, The father's discipline is neceassary. For as it is written, who of us can be humbled without first being brought low? Who didn't He first abase?
Hear therefore of His sorrow, the sorrow of a Father losing His children. For thus says the Lord:
"And though it greatly pains My heart,
A wound which shall last forever, it must be done...
For if I do not do this, My people shall never have a name;
They shall never dwell in My holy place, they shall never
See The Light or know life as it was in the beginning...
Until the sanctuary is cleansed, I can not dwell
With My people, both with them and in them...
Unless I make a full end, there can be no restoration.
If I do not complete My task, never again shall I walk with My beloved in the garden, never again shall the little children come to Me and gather around... Open your eyes, cast yourselves down! Let your hearts melt before The Holy Fire, embrace My Purifying Flame! My dying children, you are the last generation, the last of these kingdoms of men!
I love you, yet you choose death! You have forsaken Me and forced My hand! The stink of your perversions fills My nostrils, your murders stain My courts, the broken bodies of the innocent and the blameless are piled up in heaps before My eyes!
And still you say within yourselves, “We have done no wrong, we have provoked no god to anger. There is no judgment to come. We do not retain God in our thoughts, His Law is far from us. We do not know Him, nor do we need Him.”
Did anyone read all this? Lol.
O my Jesus, forgive us our sins and save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy. Amen.
Are there protestant miracles?
The Bible is full of them.
Also--people dead in trespasses and sins being reborn in baptism; Christ's body and blood being present in the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper; sins being forgiven on account of Christ. Luke 5:21; Acts 5:31; 1 Cor. 10:16; Tit. 3:5.
In other words, the miracles that really matter in the end are still being done among Protestants. At least among Lutherans. I can't speak for the others. 😉
@@user-kc9if7lu9xOutside the Bible?
Yeah, people who come to faith in Christ . That’s a miracle. Happens all the time.
Yes their are millions of miracles that takes place among Protestants before I became Lutheran I use to be a protestant from the Pentecostal church I used to go to and their was and actual video where Angels appear on a video during service which was a miracle.
Now I'm an atheist and I haven't done any deep study about fatima but what I have understood that:
1. There was some Marian apparitions that were seen by three girls.
2. Some not very impressive "prophesies" were given to the girls.
3. A big crowd had gathered to wait for a miracle. They did not see Mary though, they saw the sun "dancing" or "zig zagging" or changing color. Different stories that sound like very probable optical illusions if you STARE AT THE DAMN SUN. And there were also people who didn't see anything unusual.
Now this is a pretty lame "miracle" if you ask me. Why didn't Mary show herself to the crowd in all her glory? Was that somehow harder to do than to appear to a little girl? Why was the "miracle of the sun" not seen everywhere around the world? We have the same sun. Just so many questions to ask.
*"Now I'm an atheist"* - You are. And 'christians' of late, are now *working together with you.* Thumbing you up, so you can both join together in the spiritual warfare against Christian believers.
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
Debate Trent Horn of Catholic Answers and We will see where the truth is
Why would you place such importance on mere debate
@@Wilkins325 because that’s how you find truth ….. you share what you know and see where the truth stands…
@@Athleta_Christi We find truth in Gods word
@@matthewodonnell6495 "We find truth in Gods word"
Yes, but not his Written Word alone. It needs to be interpreted correctly, and one can't do this if one has take the Written Word and has decapitated it from the faith from which it came. The latter results in doctrinal chaos, confusion, and division. Interesting what the Written Word of God says about the TRUTH.
Christ is the head of his Church (Col 1: 18)
Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail (it will not teach doctrinal error) ; (Mt 16: 18)
Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10)
*Christ PROMISED to lead it to ALL Truth.* (Jn 16: 13)
Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20)
I would very much appreciate a look into fatima
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
I personally test miracle claims by whether they lead you back to scripture or away from scripture. I consider the Shroud of Turin to be authentic by this standard, and dismiss most Marian apparitions by the same standard. The Shroud points to the Bible again and again; Marian apparitions point away from the Bible and to man-made ideas about God and the Gospel.
Eucharistic miracles are proved by doctors
The sorcerers of egypt did miracles
@@adamhorstman3398 Eucharistic miracles are biblical and is from God.
@@skanderberg8701 begging the question
@@adamhorstman3398 "The sorcerers of egypt did miracles"
God performs miracles. You need evidence that Catholic Eucharistic miracles are not from God. Words alone without evidence means nothing.
New age really! No you need to repent.
If the Catholic Church was the "true" Church, it would be focused on Jesus, not ceremonies, formality, religious artifacts, Mary, or saints!
Jesus did not preach from a bible when He spoke to crowds: in fact He fed them!!!
Jesus never focused on the concept of "true church" and was more about the reality of love, charity, and acceptance!
Jesus came to Earth to open His followers to the need to love, to help their neighbors, not intellectual debates about the true religion!
You would never know this in our present churches!!!
That's false all around. In both miracles of the loaves and fishes Jesus commands his disciples to feed the multitudes. He doesnt do it himself.
Jesus was constantly debating the scribes and pharisees!!! Every synagogue he went to, he was opposed! the scribes and pharisees challenged Him regularly!
Jesus himself says in Matt 18:17 "if he will not hear them, tell the CHURCH..."
Jesus clearly established a church capable of "feeding" His sheep.
@@Straight-Outta-Scripture Please know that I am not opposed to a "church" for belief in Jesus and His redemption.
My point is that the true Jesus is not found in institutional churches because Jesus was about people, not churches or ritual or doctrine!
Churches are about churches: their rituals, their institutions, their technology.
Jesus was about people.
Salvation Army is doing Jesus' work, more than institutional churches!
By the way, making the distinction of Jesus feeding the multitudes and His disciples feeding the multitudes is moot!
Are you saying Jesus was not interested in feeding the multitudes!!!
@@leoinsf I understand your position. However, Christ says in the latter half of Matthew 16:18 that he would build a Church and hell would not prevail against it. There are undeniable facts conatained in those words.
Christ built a church so it must be visible, recognizable and it would universal because Christ said to baptize and teach all nations.
Christ also guaranteed some sort of perfection about this Church so much so that Hell wouldnt be able to conquer it....EVER.
those elements are a glimpse of how Christ said we could figure out what Church He built. They are pretty universal so they could be applied to any so called Church to narrow the search.
@@Straight-Outta-Scripture Sorry! I don't go along with your concept that the physical church is "God in the world."
I believe it is what we do as human beings to help others that is "God in the world!"
You could never imagine a world without a physical church, but I can!
Young people are not fearful and refuse to darken the door of any church out there.
They are not fearful of God and recognize that we are children of "God's love" and exist in a physical world of God's creation!
Charity to one another is the whole point of religion, not books, ceremonies, and sermons!
@@leoinsf You've obviously never been to a Latin Mass before and that's Ok. You also assume I have no understanding of Gods love when my entire being is an example of it. Not by my will but His.
God is the Church is nowhere near what I said. The Church literally points to God even in its architecture. God doesnt just move away from physical structures just because He destroyed the temple. A physical Church, with identifiable qualities to distinguish which one is the true Church is definitely in Gods plan. Why synagogues in the OT and NT? Why altars? Why incense? Why a Holy of Holies? At first glance its bevaise the Jews will understand the risen Christ. 7 candles on the altar and the middle is Christ the light of the world in the tabernacle like a manora. Christ is the center of everything in Catholicism. And if we put that much effort into our buildings, what could you conclude about our desire to do His will and to know love and serve Him?
God give you the grace to see and hear.
First of all these miracles are not of God. The church is the one that confirms these miracles. That says it all.
Scripture says that Satan and his evil angels can do miracles so no miracles do not prove that Rome is the true church. Roman Catholicism teaches SUNday sacredness, immortality of the soul, confessing your sins to a priest etc etc
huh?
Mary always inspires true devotion to her son. And an angel that had appeared to the children had taught them this prayer:
My God, I believe, I adore, I hope, and I love thee. I beg pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope, and do not love thee.
How can a demon teach children to pray that? That's like when Christ told the Pharisees a house divided cannot stand.
@@blondetapperware8289 "How can a demon teach children to pray that?" Doesn't Scripture say that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light?
@@mrsir8094 An angel that contradicts the gospel, yes. But that prayer doesn't contradict the gospel at all. The devil cannot say something like that.
@@blondetapperware8289 How do you know that Satan can't impersonate Jesus Christ? How do you know that Satan and his evil angels cannot subtly twist scripture? For example, Satan come appear as an angel of light and claim to be Christ but say that you can willfully sin all you want and go to heaven
I don’t know of any historian who believes in the historicity of Huss’ prophecy. Can you point someone?
Also, who are these Christians who prophesied Luther and the Reformation?
On the other hand, the Catholic Church is very careful when investigating these claims of miracles.
1) Could you provide a source for the miracles witnessed by the Scottish reformers?
2) If these miracles like in Fatima are works of the devil, it seems that he is much more active than God himself; the hidenness of God is not a problem?
Regarding the second question - in 1485 Franciscan Johann Hilten prophesied about destruction of papacy and monastic life in the near future. Tom Holland mentions that in "Dominion" p. 300.
It's not exactly prophecy of Reformation, but kinda goes in that direction.
Whether or not the message agrees with the biblical gospel. Not a perfect quote , but I think close enough. And therein lies the rub. Who Determines what the biblical gospel is? Of course. Fatima coincides with the biblical gospel, as interpreted by the Roman Catholic magisterium. As understood by Luther. Nor does his accord with the gospel as understood by Calvin on all details. Or Zwingli et al. That is what we have been going on about now for centuries. Authority to interpret scripture. Appreciate this video. God bless you.
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
"Who Determines what the biblical gospel is?"
The Church. Christ made numerous promises of it.
Christ is the head of his Church (Col 1: 18)
Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail (it will not teach doctrinal error) ; (Mt 16: 18)
Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10)
*Christ PROMISED to lead it to ALL Truth.* (Jn 16: 13)
Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20)
I’m a lutheran~ and, probably a bad lutheran lol. I love our Lady because she really points me to her Son and she has assisted me in loving God for God’s own sake. If these visions and miracles assist people in developing their love for God, then all the better.
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
@@mitchellosmer1293 well, I like it, and it helps focus on Christ’s life more, and I love him more, so I’m going to keep praying it .
"she really points me to her Son "
Very Catholic. We follow her words: _do whatever he tells you._
In the Rosary too, we meditate on the life of her Son.
You are not obliged to believe in any of these miracles, Lourdes, Fatima or whatever. I often say “Our Lady of Lourdes, pray for ” but won’t oblige you to say it. It might be helpful if you had some constructive counter-proposals. Protestants normally don’t.
Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching
by Vince Olaer | Doctrines and Theology, Pastoral, Theology
Praying The Rosary Is Not Biblical, And Is A Form Of Idolatry
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto caimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
The praying of Rosary is another heretical belief of the Roman Catholic church to which Catholics are willing fight for.
@@mitchellosmer1293 Rosary has been around a few centuries. Belief in Fatima is optional.
@@david_porthouse quote---Rosary has been around a few centuries. Belief in Fatima is optional... unquote
Who "Invented the Rosary"?
St. Dominic
It is widely believed that in 1214 St. Dominic had a vision of Mary. She is said to have presented him with the rosary, both the beads and the prayers to be prayed. Dominic had a tremendous devotion to Mary and the rosary, which he promoted wherever he traveled to preach.
---Why was the rosary invented?? MONEY!!!
rcc miracles are demonic, etc.
Weird kind of stories...your are blind.
As Aquinas once said: "For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in God, no explanation will suffice".
But Catholics do not need miracles to prove the Catholic Church is the true Church as scripture and history does this.
You don't actually deal with any facts. Eucharistic miracles blow your mind and your approach.
Nice strawman
This is all the proof you need:
Romans 1:7 To **ALL** that be ***IN ROME,*** BELOVED OF GOD, ***CALLED*** TO BE SAINTS: *GRACE TO YOU* and PEACE from GOD our FATHER, and the LORD JESUS CHRIST.
-(Of course, we know well that the slogan of 'Scripture being the sole authority' is only true when it's convenient. Maybe tomorrow it will be true, maybe it won't. Maybe in the next hour it will be true. Maybe it wont.)
What are u tryna say
@@tristankramer4636 He said in vid title: "Do Miracles *Prove* that *Rome is the True Church?"*
-I answered with Romans 1:7 which is a *Proof,* you know the slogan: 'Scripture is the sole authority!' that is meant to give *Proof* right?... ummm... right?... [crickets].. crickets
The opening of a letter addressed specifically in context to a congregation in Rome? Really? The Corinthians and Galatians also received Pauline greetings.
@Dylan "It's not up to you to set the bar" I agree - it is *your slogan* that sets the bar: 'Scripture is the Sole Authority!' But we have *learned all to well* that your bar is always shifting like limbo stick (pun). Today the Scripture has authority, next day it deosn't. Your 'authority' is saying where you are CALLED.
I mean... Your authority has a book in it called 'Romans'.
@@Lutheranjenkins “To be CHRISTIAN one **MUST BE ROMAN** [Romans 1:7] . One must recognize the ONENESS of CHRIST’S CHURCH that is governed by *ONE SUCCESSOR* of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth.” -Pope Pius XII (Oct 8, 1957 allocution to Irish pilgrims)