LeBron Must Stop Obsession With GOAT Conversation | THE ODD COUPLE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 พ.ค. 2023
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss what to make of LeBron James' cryptic post quoting a Jay-Z lyric essentially saying he's supposed to be #1 on everybody's list.
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Jordan was recognized as the GOAT when he played and he is still recognized as the GOAT 20 years after his retirement. There is no debate.
Right
There is a debate... Y'all hang on to them Rings ...only Argument
@@philbogan5297 negative ghost writer Jordan has the highest regular season averages and highest playoff averages in NBA history and has the most individual awards in NBA history and also the highest viewed NBA finals in NBA history don't be mad because the majority of NBA fans believe Jordan is the GOAT the exception doesn't make the rule and lebron fans are the exception facts are facts 💯🤷🏾♂️
It's crazy, Jordan retired two decades and is still the biggest name in basketball. That really says everything.
@@philbogan5297 Bron got the scoring title-is the only win I’ll give him-otherwise Jordan the GOAT!
People don't understand how good of a player MJ really was. Like unreal type of good.
Bruh we have him as the GOAT! We all know how great Jordan was
Humans will do this till the end of time when Jordan was alive people said Kareem was the goat then those people died and now the older people now who watch Jordan will say he’s the goat then y’all will die and people will say LBJ when they’re older
sure. But people have him as Jordan as the GOAT. So what you talking about…..
No. No he wasn’t.
His teams were unreal type good
When you’re good, you tell everyone. When you’re great, everyone tells you
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i think i read that quote from the video titled "the best goat comparison" by dangerproductions
Credit the great Walter Payton for this quote.
Lebron’s so concerned with being called the GOAT. He should prove that’s he is really a winner just like the other great players. Lebron should let other people say that he’s the GOAT.
Amen
This is why we hate on Lebron, because he personally tries to convince us he’s better than MJ. MJ stays silent and lets the footage and stats speak for themselves.
So you think "Michael Jordan day" on ESPN after Lebron broke the scoring record was a coincidence? So you think MJ approving of his documentary after the 3-1 comeback was a coincidence? So you think it being released after Lebron won his 4th ring was a coincidence? Come on now.... Don't be naive. Just because he doesn't publicly say it doesn't mean he isn't working behind the scenes to influence the narrative
Uhh Jordan talked literally all the time when he was playing. He just hasn't played in 20 years.
Did you hate Muhammad Ali? Cuz he constantly called himself the greatest
@@kero8538 who cares? The words never came out his mouth… on top of that if you have eyes it’s obvious MJ will eat Lebron’s lunch. Queen James cried all day and has a subpar career compared to MJ. Facts are facts.
@@therealjake “facts” sounds like you list it off a whole bunch of opinions pal
One of the things I've respected about Kobe in his retirement is that he looked secure with how his career played out. He didn't try to force his name there into the GOAT debate.
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As great as Kobe was he’s not in my top 7. Maybe 8.
@@kenneths.perlman1112as great as he was Shaq won finals MVP each year of the 3-peat.
Agree but he should be in the conversation not lelose. Lelose is more top five.
@@kenneths.perlman1112Kobe top 3
Top 75 awarding says it all. MJ going in last and were surrounded by Top 74 and most of them were in awe when they saw Mike. It happened in Cleveland folks take note of that.
When Chris going to realize Lebron always tries to deflect from him losing he never wants to be held accountable.
When are y'all fans gon realize that people like Broussard, Nick Wright & Shannon Sharpe DO MORE BLAME DEFLECTING THAN LEBRON DOES FOR HIM‼️💯💯
True
If they wanted to talk about the loss they would regardless of what he “tweets” 💯💯💯
Facts!!!!! And I’m a huge Bron fan. But this is a factual statement. Bron is GREAT at changing the narrative. He doesn’t want ppl talking about the sweep.
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His legacy is set in stone he’s NOT the Goat!
Yeah he's probably 2 or 3 but people need to stop using GOAT, that was Jerry Rice's nickname. Not Jordan's, not Brady's, no-one else but Rice.
@Aaron Roberto interesting strategy...so whom do you deem better than he aside from Jordan?
He may not be the GOAT but the media definitely gonna miss him when he’s gone clearly 😂. The playoffs are goin on and they still talking about him daily. They talk about every thing he does because they know people will give it attention.
@@georgeprchal3924 nah that’s Muhammad Ali’s nickname, he was the first to say it!!
@Chris King right...and I thought Skip Bayless was a hater but you may well be a shoo-in for Hater of the Year.
It baffles me how so much is made about coming back from 3-1 down. If you are the GOAT you shouldn't have been in the position in the first place.
Exactly. This kind of stuff always drove me nuts. Hell, since when did we care about 2nd place?
well when you consider it was the win-nest team of all time in the regular season and has the first unanimous mvp it makes being 3-1 down reasonable did you think about that or was that team just full of front runners which one is it ?
so to be 3-1 down and comeback and win is even more impressive
@@joofmagoof2841 because Lebron fanboys in the media tricked everyone into thinking its cool and acceptable so they can keep him in the goat convo it all been fabricated since he lost in 2011!
@@Jscrizle if Green is not suspended in that series no way Leflop win that one !!
“I think he’s obsessed, he needs to stop, coming off of being SWEPT, just let it go”. 🤣🤣🤣
Rob Parker has surely been waiting for that lol
Hahahaha i love Rob Parker he said it like it really is 😂😂
@@chrismiller658 and Lebron keeps placing himself in the conversation when the nba finals are about to happen and his team got crushed by Denver. Maybe the dude with chosen one tattooed on himself could be humble for like a week and shut up.
Sweetie they didn't get crushed because all 4 of those games could have went either way. Y'all do too much tryna force Denver upon us. Like good team but let's not be delusional
he's not wrong tho lol
Lebron is on a Laker super team that just got swept out of the playoffs. Even a 40+ yr old Jordan wouldn't have let that happen.
Lebron is now a hairless lil Pygmy goat. If he keeps playing, soon he won't even be that.
For all you kids that weren’t able to watch MJ just choose 5 of your favorite top players today combined them and that’s not even close that’s how badass he was .on the goat conversation the more people try to defend Lebron makes MJ even more of a Legend
I saw Michael Jordan's whole career including college and LeBron in my opinion is still a better player.
You're lying
@@kelvincolbert7999😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You didn't see squat...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Or you're just being anti just to be. Either way...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We can just watch an old game lol
Did lebron ever acknowledge the last possessions of game 3 and 4 of WCF where he turned the ball over, got stripped, missed layups, hit the backboard, and got blocked at the last seconds? Because in my opinion that counts as a non-clutch player and the main reason they lost the games. I wouldn't say that is goat worthy! I've never heard him take accountability for any game that he loses.
Yeah you clearly don’t watch basketball….
@@hiitsme3039 nah he did. He knows every negative thing that took place with lebron because hes obsessed with him...if lebron was to slip and fall hed make a whole video about it
So your saying lebron had nothing to do with their losses?
@Chris Miller the only thing I'm obsessed with is winning, not settling for 4th place
So Bill Russell is your 🐐… 🤡
Even Jay-Z usually called himself the “Mike Jordan of Rap”, not the Lebron. Lebron is great, easily one of the best but Jordan is pretty much recognized as the GOAT by most.
And he was chasing Tupac. He will never be glorified as Pac just like Bron will never be on MJs level
Even when you see the GOAT of GOATs debates, it’s always MJ representing basketball. It’s MJ, Ali, Tiger, Brady, Messi, etc. Nobody really considers LeBron in that conversation. That’s very telling.
@@kweli05 Mj is in that convo because of timing.. Mj elevated nba to a point no one will ever do. But in my opinion there’s two players that have had better careers bill Russell and Kareem but they don’t have the media appeal
@@hiitsme3039 Timing plays a major factor, yes. And I don’t disagree with you as far as Kareem and Russell with better careers. All due respect to them. I’m l taking MJ as the GOAT of all sports due to impact mainly, but success is included as well.
@@kweli05 you say that while having a convo on whos the goat and bring up hiis name.......wow
A king never has to say he is the king. 😂
This is why it’s important for fathers to tell their sons to be themselves. Respectfully
Delonte West never had the man to man conversation with Bron he’s a Mama’s boy and it shows every time he got swept
@@joelbrown5932 🤣😭
@@joelbrown5932 I'm dead 💀 🤣
@@joelbrown5932 Lol y’all haters are funny sometimes
It's important for Father's to tell their kids Jordan is the 🐐 point blank period
The neverending goat debate has been the worst thing to ever happen to NBA basketball.
Not really-Jordan has always been the GOAT!!
That and flopping
What’s funny is that there should never have been a debate. Jordan is the obvious 🐐.
Right, but that is because as much as LeBron fans want to make it one, it isn't a debate. Jordan is the GOAT.
Only people trying to make it a debate is the bronsexuals. There is no debate in reality.
With 6 L's. Honestly who has a dude with 6 L's VS. Someone who has 6 W's and never lost.
I got Kareem over him, too.
I got Kobe over him as well.
Wilt
Russell
There is no way you have Wilt over him
kareem never best player on all his chips. kobe never best player on all his rings. and bill played with 8 teams . lebron the undisputed best on all his teams
I put Tim Duncan over him. 5-1 in finals, 6-0 if not for the most clutch shot in NBA history. Best rim protector in the league for years, never left to go gut another team's future to win rings now. Look at what Spurs have done since Tim retired. Nothing. It's hard to keep winning with the same team over and over because you won't have good draft capital to acquire star players. This is the biggest flaw in LeBron's legacy that his fans and the media never admit.
I definitely got Kobe over him
@@danielaka9275 None of those guys ran away when things got tough and joined up with the top talent in the league like Bron has though. That's why those rings are respected. You think Lebron has four had he stayed in Miami or Cleveland?
You will never be number one on my list Mr. James but you are one of the best to do it
Hurts nobody, he's number one to me. Hope you can accept that too
@@kwadwohilton2126 he’s not number one. You’re just wrong
Easy top 10
@@baymaii237that his opinion g.
@@kwadwohilton2126 yeah Lebron is may be in the top 5 ever.
When LeBron does something great at 38 it’s like wow he’s 38, when he fails at 38 it’s well what do you expect he’s 38 😂 all the losses count against his legacy whether he wants to admit it or not
MJ at 38 years old and in season 14 was completely irrelevant and not even in the playoffs 😂
@@LL-zm9go .... And Mj has still done more then LeBron in less time
@@LL-zm9go 😂 if you was alive in the 2000s most ppl had seen enough greatness of Mj to the point they wanted him to call a quits when he was 40. Ppl got sick of him dominating the sport literally
Exactly
@@LL-zm9goand lbj been playing for 600 years and got 4 titles. Good for him.
Don't know why would anyone obsess over being or not being a GOAT. You've had a great career, got championships and earned a billion dollars.
because they fabricated the notion and he kept losing! his fans wont let it go even tho he lost more than hes won its quite hilarious!
@@noleyestoad4477 Jordan also lost more then he won....
@@andrewzembar3869 how many finals did MJ lose? I think it was 0 right! now Lebron lost 6 and jordan won 6 so what the heel type of point was you making fool! yall lebron fans are really stupid AF! on god!
Thank u👍🏾 only ego
It's because Lebron is a megalomaniac, who is obsessed with how people view him. Remember after getting swept against gsw he came out with a soft cast on his arm. This year you get all these reports of his jnjuries after the Lakers lost. Guys just a weirdo.
Everyone that knows basketball knows who is the goat I mean when MJ walks into a room everyone just knows even the old heads and all current players every video I've ever watched guys like Steph and Magic all look at MJ differently they just know who's the alpha.
The Top 75 players introductions proved that.. The players and whole world know MJ is the Greatest to ever play
Even LeBron…. That was apparent.
what did jordan do before scottie: nothing. at least lebron been to finals. jordan swept and he made playoffs with losing record of 30-51.
@@danielaka9275 did you mean what did the dysfunctional Bulls do without Scottie? That was the era where they were literally fighting on the court and folks were rarely getting called for it. No ejections or techs. Occasionally a foul was called. And yet Jordan himself was still averaging in the high 30s per game but without a supportive team. Scottie came in and helped a lot. No doubt about it. But Jordan didn’t have the benefit of strict rules that made playing ball a lot easier as LeBron did- if you really want to compare their early years. And Jordan did that without sitting out games when he was healthy. It took injuries to make him sit out.
Mythologie lol
Chris come on bro, u know someone as socially intelligent as Lebron would know that the mere mention of retirement would change the narrative entirely…which is literally what ended up happening.
What is never mention is the fact that there are 33% more possessions in an NBA game in Lebrons era than in Jordan’s era. That’s more chances for points, assists, and rebounds. Plus, with LeBron, having eight All-Star teammates that gives him a floor that spread and better chances at assists passing to an all star
excuses just say jordan better and hop off lebron sack....u dont like lebron then stop clicking on videos about him yall look weird and sus
Statistics and excuses are two different things. Might wanna open a dictionary and look up the difference.
Because you don’t mention that with Kobe or Duncan and they played 12-13 years with lebron
Lebron played better competition and Jordan was playing at an nba time when there was expansions
@@mahamedjmal2536 And yet LeBron never played against Magic, Larry, Kareem, Hakeem, etc. Most players in the Top 75 are from Jordan's era. LeBron played in a piss-poor East and lost repeatedly to the West. Wow, DeRozan, no knees DRose, past their prime Pierce, Garnett....wow so scary. LeBron kept beating mediocre East squads to make his Finals run.
Rob hit it on the nail on why Lebron said he may retire
Chris and Rob is right bron constantly calls himself the goat cause he knows the majority of the basketball fan base don't have him as the goat... once lebron said im chasing that ghost in Chicago that's when i know he was obsessed with MJ just like Scottie is
jordan was unsuccessful and cannot do anything without pippen.then he needed rodman for the 2nd 3peat. jordan could not eveb go deep in playoffs without pipoen and lebron goes deep in playoffs without stars as 2017 and 2018 as well as 2008
@@iconkryshow😂 did you graduate school you're a horrible speller. Bron never sniff a championship until he joined future Hall of famers and all stars no one wins alone. Nothing wrong with Bron being number 2 all time.
@@ressestevenson7309 thank you !!!
@@iconkrysbro MJ is going against championship teams like bird compared to lebron going against Gilbert arenas wizards victor oladipo pacers and DeRozan raptors like please use context before you meat ride Bron... MJ competition in the playoffs was way tougher than Brons path especially when joined a superteam in Miami there were no tough opponents
@@ressestevenson7309 obviously I type fast you fool and some words came out misspelled. If you actually read and pay attention which you didn't. I never said LeBron won rings without any stars. I said he went deeper to the playoffs without anybody.he even made finals twice in 2007 and 2018 with trash on his team. I never lost in the first round when he was fully healthy as he lost in 2021 for the first time when he wasn't fully healthy and davis got hurt. So learn how to read and pay attention before responding as I never said he won any rings without anybody
His records are starting to look like he stat padding his way to the top. Put his records and his impact next to each other and see if they were earned during eventful times in the games and during a pivotal chances that could have given his team victories.
Ya dude, when MJ was 38 years old in his 14th season he was completely irrelevant and not in the playoffs. Lebron at 38 years old and 20 seasons into his career, just ended the GSW dynasty and went to the WCF, all with a torn tendon in his foot. He averaged 29 8 and 7 this year. You are a casual MJ fan and Lebron hater.
Y? Because he said this? Now his records look like stat padding? Lmao. Yall hate this man so much
@@phillyphan1346 no one cares about Jordan at 38 years old. By the time he was 36 he had nothing left to prove. Really he had nothing left to prove when he won his fifth ring. He was crowned the GOAT by then. That sixth ring was just a cherry on the top
Bill Russell has 11 rings so he’s the GOAT by your logic. 🤡
@@LL-zm9go ok since u started it. And im already sick of these lebum fanboys shielding bill rusell's 11 chips when presented with jordan's chips. Call me when russell is top 5 in scoring all time, top 1 in scoring average, won defensive player of the year and mvp in the same year, scoring titles, defensive 1st team, all nba 1st team, allstar game mvps, multiple finals mvps, insane finals averages, etc. I'll wait. I didnt even included the highlights, being box office everynight, or the impact globally. Might as well sell ur brain if ur not using it anymore
I hate the fact, that they can say getting swept or losing in the fashion he did, hitting the backboard and getting punked in the last 2 shots to tie or win the game, can’t hurt his legacy, but accomplishing achievements will only add to his legacy? WTF is that!? Double standard! The good and the bad should count towards his legacy. Unless this was his final season, or he had a trash roster, then I could understand, but that’s not the case❗️
Such bullshit. The same way as glorifying him for dropping 30-40 at age 38 and then zero criticism if he plays poor. "oh well he's 38 years old"
He has a torn tendon in his foot which requires surgery. MJ at 38 in his 14th season wasn’t even relevant. Wasn’t even in the playoffs lmao
It’s because at this point in their careers Kobe and Mike were not this good at all. Just the fact that lebron has retained this high level of play is what makes him great. But you can’t deny the fact that lebron isn’t playing as well as he did before that foot injury. That torn tendon is nasty. No excuses Denver was better but you can’t tell me he didn’t look the same in the playoffs
@@foghornfoggyface Exactly! They kept praising him for playing at such a high level all season, that he’s defeating Father Time, then struggles in the biggest moments, and label it as he’s “Old”.
keep the same energy!
@@LL-zm9go The doctor said during the series, that it healed faster than anyone they’ve ever seen. That’s a build in excuse. Kobe played with a broken finger, had to adjust how he shot the ball, was getting his legs drained before each game and still won the chip!😂💯 And to be fair, Kobe’s last team was a bunch of D league and rookie players, Jordan’s Wizards were no better either. Neither had a stacked roster like LeBron does.
Its been a rocky road for LeBron ever since he said "im chasing the ghost in Chicago" after 2016 then years later said 2016 made him the GOAT around 2018 🤦🏾♂️
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He said he was chasing the ghost in 2020 too I remember he said that at the media scrum in the 2020 all star game weekend.
Since then became the all-time leading scorer and became fourth all-time in assist and lead every major category in the playoffs people would kill for a so-called "Rocky Road"
@@AbstractMedia24 ALSO since 2016 he missed the playoffs TWICE got swept TWICE and lost in the 1st round sounds like a rocky road to me....... Oh but he does have the bubble title to fall back on at least but it's still rocky especially after proclaiming yourself the GOAT 🤷🏾♂️
@@Tonio5100 and doing those season his 15 season he was avg 27.6 , 9.1 and 8.6 , 16 season 27.4 ,8.5 and 8.3 and his 15 season Jordan was avg 20, 6.1and 3.8 and LeBron 20th season he's avg 28.9, 8.3 and 6.8 people would kill to average what LeBron did and his so-called Rocky seasons in their Prime 🤣
Lebron trying really hard to get people not to talk about his latest sweep lost.
Dude Lebron could eat cereal and the media would cover it. What are you talking about?
@@tjleaf3510 because he encourages it! He's the definition of a egomaniac
He is not
Media choose not to cover it
@@AstralScourge huh?!
Dude 🤔
I think the ones obsessed with it is LeBron's media. We still use MJ as the standard. We compare younger athletes to him. We don't do this with LeBron or Kareem.
WE DEFINITELY COMPARE YOUNG ROOKIES TO LEBRON
@@ndojimmy I remember them comparing Ben Simmons and Luka to him but who else?
The NBA media needs a narrative to keep basketball interesting so they give us this bs Jordan v LeBron debate. When deep down we all know LeBron didn't do what Jordan did.
Kareem is the goat! Wake up!
@@alphadog3586 To be fair, they also compared Zion to him. @ndojimmy has a point for rookies, but that doesn't have anything to do with being the GOAT. Lebron came to the league with a lot of hype, and he was successful. So any hyped rookie will be compared to him, until the next rookie lives up to the hype.
Bron had a great career. It only becomes crap when people try to make it seem like it was better than MJ's.
LT once said on a podcast, He said "I think I'm the Greatest player to EVER lace them up but guess what the NFL did the following week after I retired, they played an NFL games" ...LT was saying, the league will move on with or without you...Nothing Stops!....and that's FACTUAL 💯
Chris making excuses. Rob aint giving no passes.😂 i love it!
😂😂Chris is a Lebron fanboy
Me too i love it
Doing so much chirping after getting swept. That makes it even more embarrassing imo.
You know what has to stop? ***does something amazing*** MY GOD HE IS 38!!! ***does something messed up*** WELL MY GOD HE'S 38!!! Cant have it both ways.
💯 that would be so great 😂
Lol, True Bro...
If he goes out there and looks like a 38-year-old they don't say nothing but if he goes out there and scores 40 points as a 38-year-old it's the most amazing thing they ever seen
I'm confused, isn't what he's doing at his age unprecedented or not?
@@kennyboston8556 exactly 💯(NEVER DONE BEFORE)
Even if he stops it,his lackies and courtiers won't let it go.They built an entire career saying outlandish things and falsely supporting Lebron's case.For example Nick Wright was a nobody until he started saying these things,Brian Windhorst was the same.KlutchSports pays good money.
This is the answer 🤷♀️
@@KRey112 o
His fans will never compare to the Jordan buttslaves who get butt hurt When anybody have a different opinion about Jordan's career shoutout Scottie Pippen and Isaiah Thomas
Why yall so mad tho? People built careers of jeering him as well
@@eastgate6134 I'm stating the facts,aren't those the facts?At least he hasn't said anything about that,Lebron has though
His record can't speak for itself Chris, that's why he has to keep putting the narrative put there. He's wet the bed to many times in the playoffs and his championships he won had to have extraordinary circumstances. And he's never been the guy to hit the big shot in the finals, he's known for a block, that should speak for itself.
Deluded that's what you are
The media and The public are to blame. People are still posting in the comments complaining about LeBron. If people are tired of LeBron stop using LeBron to get ratings. Stop watching, and stop posting. Just saying...
Lol if all you look at is a finals record you shouldn't talk basketball . The media promotes lebron 25/8 & they got the nerve to question what he should think about & post ?
THIS comment is underrated ASF. 2012. Lockout season
2013. Ray Allen
2016. Draymond Green
2020. Mickey Mouse Club House.
Media hyped that block. Iggy was injured and had no lift. Easy target.
The GOAT debate ended when Lebron left Cleveland to go to Miami.
Right because he was supposed to stay in Cleveland beyond 7 years in which he never was provided an All Star & took the likes of Boobie Gibson and Sasha Pavlovic to a damn finals in 2007. MJ allowed to have the best roster in the league between 96-98 though. MJ stans are such hypocrite casuals.
@@phillyphan1346 how is that hypocritical. Do your research before talking. That Bulls team was the oldest in the league. That Celtics team that LeBron couldn't beat with Ray, Paul, and KG was oldest on league. Rodman an elite defender but limited on offense. Pippen and Kukoc were Jordan's only scoring options. MJ let the course play out. Bird and Pistons and Magic and the lakers beat up on the bulls but those lessons helped them learn to win. It's totally different
@@b-gamer340 I've forgotten more about MJ than you know. You are saying Lebron waited for the Celtics to get old, yet MJ didnt do the same with the Celtics & Pistons? lol.
MJ's second 3 peat, he had the best roster in the league. Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc (best international player at the time) all HOFers, Steve Kerr and Ron Harper were starters on any other team besides the bulls. In 94 without MJ they won 55 games, Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were All Stars. MJ , Pippen and Rodman were all 1st team defense in 1995. It was a damn super team. Stop the cap.
@@phillyphan1346 it was not a super team. The Warriors team and heat teams with Bron were better. Pippen had one good year with MJ home. Kukoc was a shot in the dark that worked out. Lots of international players don't pan out well.
@@b-gamer340 I know the Warriors teams were. They had to add a top 2 player at that time, KD, to 3 other all stars in order to beat Lebron.
For Miami, outside of Wade & Bosh, Ray Allen was 37 and a complimentary piece, same as Mike Miller & Shane Battier. Chalmers and Haslem were role players. Roster by roster during each of their respective times, the Bulls were head and shoulders above the competition. They literally won 55 games without MJ lmao. You saying "Kukoc was a shot in the dark that worked out" as if that negates any of my points. You dont even know enough to debate. Clown
He's not the second greatest player, and he's not earning the respect that the people that have watched basketball for years had for the game. And now that he's eliminated again and it's his fault. You now want your sympathy. Instead being competitive and the heart of a warrior, he got to beg his fans again for their sympathy over an over an over again. I don't think he deserves to be ranked that high against players that actually competed. To many other factors to be considered one of the greatest basketball players ever. He never even try to improve his free throw shooting, his dribbling, his traveling, his not able to shoot in at different ranges. And so much more.
Underrated comment!
This is absurd. He’s certainly top 2 all time. Tell me who you have over him without bringing up finals record…
@@afrofree4950 I can name at least 40 players THAT'S BETTER THAN LEFRAUD‼️💯💯
Wilt...Kareem...Hakeem..hell..Kobe..have legitimate cases...as being better than a runner...stat padder who cries for roster help. Damn...blind witnesses are real!!
@@SPLIFFSNWEALTHMEDIA You’re living in a clown world
If lebron team wins then the media and his fans say he makes everyone better and he’s the best overall team player… if his team loses then he has no help and he did all he could 😂…. His fans are so delusional and make the most excuses I ever heard for a wanna be goat … this lakers team was deep they had everything athleticism defense bench three point shooters, and you had Anthony Davis healthy and his team couldn’t win one game ?? And you score 3 points in the 4th quarter?? And you miss two shots to tie the game and one he hit the side of the backboard? It’s not that the lakers lost it’s how they lost and laid down … lebron fans want participating trophies for just making the finals because he made ten … but he lost six …. The he was gonna get grilled by the media for getting swept and then he pulled a ace card and changed the narrative to say he’s going to retire …😂 classic move now nobody talking about the sweep only about his possible retirement and nothing about the Denver nuggets 😂… chess move right there … and yes this definitely affects his legacy and moves him to third best player ever … whoever disagrees, are the same people who said this was the most important title if he wins this year he’s definitely the goat… his fans say rings don’t matter when anyone brings up Jordan’s six titles undefeated but this ring this year would count if he won ?? 😂 make it make sense
This years Lakers team was so great they were a 13 seed at the trade deadline and a play in team at seasons end. Definition of an MJ stan, casual and no knowledge about the game.
Dude is not GOAT and the stats prove it in almost every category.. yea dude got the all time score after playing 20 years lol
Stats actually prove it
Yeah Jordan was all-time scoring back in '86. Only took him 2 seasons. And he did it without a 3 point line, uphill, backwards in 3 feet of snow, both ways.
@@georgeprchal3924 Don't forget the 82-0 seasons. And the years he shot 95% from the field. Dude had an 80" vertical. Shot 88% from the 3.
@@georgeprchal3924 MJ was better on both sides of the ball. IDK how you morons try to continue arguing this dogshit lmao
I’ve never heard a kid say, “I want to be the next Lebron.”
Never...they will play like Curry before LeBron
What you mean?? I see kids putting their heads down and barreling into each other in the driveway hoops all the time… sike
Thats a good point very nice take 😂😂😂😂
I have, but it was a while ago
Lebron doesn't have aesthetic move that's magical to the eyes that's why. Lebron moves basic basketball. Longevity only holds him on the top 10 list of all time
No one ever talks about an iconic shot that lebron took to win a final like they do other players and he knows it because of jokic 20 foot high shot. That took him out or kyrie or ray Allen 3 pt dagger that helped him win 😂 not to mention mj statue of liberty pose🗽
You're right. Lebron has 5 game winning buzzers beaters and neither one or more iconic than Jordan's 3 or kobe's 1 against the suns.
@@maxb4318 I have to think about Bron's GW shots. Against the Magic, they lost the series. Against the Pacers when he was in Miami, they were going to win that series anyways.
Against the Raptors, they swept the Raptors so did his game winning shot really matter? Against the Pacers in 2018, was probably his best GW shot. I think it was a layup though lol.
In the 2016 finals, Lebron scored the previous 6 points to take them from down 4 to up 2, then when the game was tied, made the most iconic defensive play in finals history, which kept the game tied and allowed for an opportunity to win which Kyrie hit a 3.
In 1997, Steve Kerr hit a 3 to win the finals in game 6.
Stop making stuff up. MJ stans try to get creative with facts, it is disgusting.
@@phillyphan1346 lol trur but they will never listen
LeBron has to stop?! Not the media not the fans…but HIM?!
Lol man…😂
Bro they thirsty for a topic
It's literally the sports media's job to talk about it. I don't know what you mean.
@@dparks2856 and he's making a fool of himself looking desperate
You think media talks about him by accident? He's constantly doing things to keep people talking about him in the media.
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Do they talk about every player that post on twitter?
Chris stay throwing rocks and hiding his hands...😂😂😂😂
Yeah the really can’t stand LeBron lol
Chris seems to be carrying water for lebron a lot now. Look at the topics he pick
When you are in the running to be the best at what u do, any and every little thing can boost or hurt u. The thing no one brings up on this: how did the 8 seed Timberwolves, who gave away the 7 spot to the Lakers in the play in and aren't the brightest NBA team, get a game off the Nuggets but LeBron with a healthy AD and the Lakers couldn't? Anything that doesn't add to or maintain your legacy can definitely hurt it
He says that so people wont speak of his playoff short comings
Lebron really banking on longevity and the future not knowing MJ.
Steroids!!!!!!!!! Juce!!!!!!!!!
Oohhhhhh !!!!! That’s a great point! He’s banking on people forgetting about MJs greatness over time
He's hoping the ballparks would wear off. He's not alone.
@@vicshephard9231 huh?
@@samestuffdifferentday5712 the Jordan worship has to stop at some point.
If the younger generation (10-25) don’t have him as the overwhelming goat now, it won’t change a lick 10 years from now unless Lebron does something ridiculous like win a 3-peat, a couple more mvps & fmvps, etc. Once Jordan hit the last shot in 98, it was overwhelming & near unanimous across all generations that he was the best ever.
I think part of it is the fact that LBJ cant fathom the NBA going on in the postseason without him being involved in some kind of way for the past 10 years. He thinks that he is the LOGO if you know what I mean.
I can’t believe two black men can’t recognize Jay Z lyrics Lol
Also, do you want to goat conversation to stop? Then stop talking about it 😂 it will never not be hilarious when sports media claims to be tired of something yet they give it coverage 100% of the time whenever they can
It's getting to the point where Lebron is started to sound whiney to self-absorbed player; where some will remember LeBron not as one of the greatest player discussions without bring up as being one of the most self-absorbed players.
but then what would the media talk about?
Baseball? Nah I can't say that with a straight face.
LeBron is SO DESPERATE! He really needs to STOP EMBARRASSING himself!😂
Yes, getting swept hurts his legacy! If he had won the title this year everybody would say it added to his legacy, so he has to accept the bad with the good. Every year an athlete continues to play past his prime is risky. He can help his legacy or hurt it.
Exactly. The queen's sheep desperately want to use Jordan's Washington years against him but won't do the same with their savior. So hypocritical...
MJ UNDERRATED imo .The fake goat debate ended once lebron got RAN OUT OF HIS OWN HOMETOWN.Lebron took his talents to the south while his family member rode west!
In reality this is what it was
No knock on LeBron at all, but when YOU (LeBron James) bring up conversations about GOAT, among other things, championships will always come into question. And LeBron is just not on par, Magic Kobe Duncan:5, Jordan and Kareem:6, and of course Russell's 11. Plus, why isn't he just humble about his game and have to bring it up, no one talks about being the GOAT but LeBron. Take this quote from Sweetnees: "When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you."
Incorrect... A #7 seed team is never SUPPOSED to beat a #1 seed team.
Well a number 8 seed beat a 2 seed
They act as if Denver wasn't good. KD and Book had to score 90 to win a game against them.
He’s obsessed because he knows deep down he’s not
So happy rob is here
Lebron's insecurity about this indicates he knows it isn't true.
If he's like this now, I can imagine how he will be when he actually retires omg 🤦🏾♂️ he might have a mental breakdown
No doubt! The guy is so obsessed with it. Just accept you’re the 2nd greatest ever. Deal with it. 🤦🏼♂️
@Aaron Roberto
Yeah I don’t like him, but unfortunately there’s no justification for anything lower than 3rd All-Time. 4 titles with 4 FMVP’s/4 league MVP’s, All-Time scoring leader, Top 5 in assists, 1st in Total Win Shares, 7th in WS/48 mins, #1 in VORP, #3 in PER, & 3rd All-Time in most times leading the league in Advanced Analytics. Aside from Kareem & maybe Wilt there’s no one else that’s accomplished as much based on FACTS.
I think we are all too caught up in it; its mentioned every week. Kobe said it best; "there's no definitive way to determine it, so it's a nice chat, but largely a waste of time"...or something to that effect.
Mj got scottie, horace grant, zeke , lebron in their dam feelings lol
Maybe if people ignores the GOAT conversation it wouldn't be a big deal, folks perseverate over just as much if not more than he does
This is true.
The media is the ones who portrayed this Goat talk upon Lebron. And then want to act like it’s his fault for speaking about it.
Y’all media heads made it up. I’m going to now play apart of it.
Media think they slick. We only talk about this GOAT debate because the media made it a big thing in the first place. People need to wake up and see that. It’s been the media the whole time and then the media wants to portray it on Lebron like it’s his fault they talk about the GOAT debate like get out of here.
If Lebron want in the league and we never heard of a Lebron James they wouldn’t have had a GOAT debate we would have real analysis on TV talking all sports
It's a sign of his insecurity
You can't be the GOAT with a losing win percentage in championship games.
There's a reason Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, & Wilt Chamberlain are generally not referred to as the greatest players ever.
I was watching Kobe 06-07 highlights… I implore people to go check it out. You see a scorer that just has the full package,, could score on every spot on the court, any way you want it. When you’ve witnessed technicians like that and MJ, it’s hard to “convince” someone you’re better than that, if we don’t see that same ability to score in every possible way.
He’s basically begging people to crown him
From being a respectful young man to now becoming the Heel of the association
How is he the heel? Explain.
@@devonford3836 easy. He isn't MJ. Everyone that isn't MJ must be scrutinized to the point of ridiculousness. Nobody can be better than their lord and savior. Thou shalt not interfere with the ballpark eating.
Jordan dropped the “last dance” to keep is his name fresh
the problem with him saying he,s supposed to be 1 on everybodys list , is theres more than just one LIST that describes lebron,but as far as being the GOAT ,theres probably only 30% of the people that lived through both players careers that think lebron is at the top,now he is at the top when it comes to longevity, he is a role model for kids on how to take care of your body,but his fight to stay in the NBA for greedy reasons to convince the world he is the best player because he has the scoring tittle,doesn’t mean he’s the best player ever ,JORDAN NEVER HAD TO CONVINCE ANYONE,HES THE GOAT
Come on Rob and Chris. It's a different era man. Social media era. Like everyone else, they can't stop the Lebron talk.
Atp I can't really blame LeBron for some of the things he says and posts. Imagine having the national sports media kissing your ass since you were in HS. My ego would be crazy too.
In soccer l never heard Pele, Diego, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Ronaldinho, Messi, or Naymar say they are better than the other. This players have utmost respect for each other's greatness. In nba is like a war zone where people just come to vent by using greatness as an unpleasant subject of discussion. Peace out!
"In soccer l never heard Pele, Diego, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Ronaldinho, Messi, or Naymar say they are better than the other."
And that's how they should approach it because none of those guys are the clear cut soccer GOAT. But Jordan IS the clear cut NBA goat.
Never understood the comparisons to begin with. Two great players, played in different eras of the game. You cannot compare two different generations that have never played each other. But they need something to talk about, so whatever.
I think what makes this annoying is that LeBron IS treated with respect. He's a topic of sports conversation just about everyday. However, Michael Jordan is almost as relevant today as he was 20 years ago when he still played, and that is a display of true greatness. The truth is that LeBron has always shown with his actions that he wants the attention, conversation and respect -- which he gets -- but its not enough for him and his fans. There are a lot of differences between the two, but whats interesting is how LeBron does what he can to stay in the spotlight, while Jordan has been basically hiding in plain sight for 20 years and still gets his flowers regularly. Its all subjective, there is no GOAT trophy. Its just people's opinions. But LeBron takes it too seriously (and it hurts how he will be remembered), while Jordan has largely deferred credit his whole life and it has made him greater. LBJ loses GOAT points with a lot of people everytime he does things like this. And since people's opinions create the GOAT narrative, he just keeps hurting his own legacy. Basically, hes created a situation where the basketball won't matter that much.
His records are mostly longevity records.
LB would be better off concentrating on his own legacy. MJ is both a Legend and Hero. Remember the wise words to Bennie Rodriguez. "Heroes get remembered, legends never die kid. Just follow your heart. You'll never go wrong." Perspective. '
Always remember that the majority of people who say Lebron is the goat never even watched Jordan play throughout his career. Those who witnessed BOTH of them play most of the time will tell you Jordan was easily the goat.
Unfortunately, lebron brings alot of the criticism against him upon himself for doing stuff like this. Then his fans look around dumbfounded as to why.
Every time
Oh so it’s Lebron fault for the media portraying him a way because he says 2 words.
Y’all keep saying it’s bron fault for speaking. Like huh!?
Y’all so gullible y’all don’t even know it.
He brings criticism upon himself is false. Y’all the ones who bring up criticism when the guy be chilling so stop lying to the people.
@@SaucyJellyTH-camGaming
Most people don’t like guys that go around blowing themselves
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@@SaucyJellyTH-camGamingcalm down dude
@@SaucyJellyTH-camGamingchillen =/=
Sympathy tweets
Lebron won his rings joining super teams
The media talks MJ vs Bron everyday 24hours a day then says LeBron needs to stop LOL!!!!
You obsess over things. You don't have control over. You obsess over things. You don't obtain. He knows that he isn't the 🐐. He's trying to convince himself.
HE DOES IT TO HIMSELF EVERYTIME ! LOL
All you people saying "why does the media talk so much about the goat..." its literally the sports media's job to talk about things like this lol. Yall want them to never talk about the goat? As long as lebron is in the conversation and he's still actively playing in the nba there is going to be goat talks and debates because that's the sports media'a job.
No it's not. They don't have to. There's a ton of topics they can talk about. The media and the fans are the ones clamoring for a GOAT debate. Lebron doesn't even bring it up that much. Why don't they talk about Jokic rather than a player that retired 20 years ago.
No it's not the media's job to talk non stop about lebron James or the goat conversation. They are other topics. They don't have to constantly gush all day long about this tired ass conversation
No one is saying never to talk about the goat. People just want the media to talk about ANYTHING ELSE for a change
@Desmond it's not none stop they talk about different topics everyday all the time. The only reason they're bringing this up right now is because lebron literally posted this on his Instagram trying desperately to convince people he's the goat. He did it to himself and the media covers his "social media" and you guys get mad over it when it's lebron's fault 😆
Rob has been batter 1.000 about LeBron for as long as I've been listening to him.
Respect.
The lebron lovers act like they can see his obsession with coming off as the best ever. Something is wrong with that man.
You guys need to stop talking about lebron so much. Lebron is not paying you to talk about him. You guys are obsessed with talking about lebron 😂😂😂😂. It’s your troupe shoes that stays on lebron IG, Twitter and every other account praying lebron post something 😂😂😂it’s like all networks need lebron to be relevant 😂😂😂
um actually YALL need to stop it too lol all of the media lol
Remember wen lebron told the media yo "keep that energy" wen they were losing??? Suggesting that he will shut the media up wen they win it all.😂😂😂.
It is the sports media that is obsessed with the goat conversation
Lebron’s marketing company pays shows to promote him as the goat
He got swept.. and went complete ghost in the 2nd half of game 4. All of a sudden, 'i may retire'
MJ got swept 2 of his first 3 playoff appearances and at age 38 in season 14 was completely irrelevant and not in the playoffs 😂
@@LL-zm9go he was just playing to play. He came back after what? 2 years to play and didn't even ask for money like that. He just wanted to hoop on that stage again. LeBum is actively and desperately hunting another ring or 2. Compare the body language. Dude was just happy to be playing. If he was like LeFlop, he would have signed to a contending team.
@@LL-zm9go not to mention, at least he made the playoffs in his first couple of years, unlike James..
@@zay1025 It took MJ 6 playoff appearances to make the finals. It took Lebron two playoff appearances, and he was 22. Run along now boy
@@phillyphan1346 and he got molly whopped in those finals. Completely swept. Couldn't even make the playoffs for his couple of years. Keep making excuses for your diva, LeSweep Blames. He is a joke. Your fanatical support of him, is a joke. How do you get completely swept in the finals.. came all that way to not even get a game? Jesus Christ. Sit down
Times will be calmer when 10 years or so have passed, and LeBron is retired.
This thumbnail is life😅
Once he left Cleveland in 2010 and had the audacity to lose to the Mavs in 2011 ended his goat debate 👎🏽💯
It’s impossible to compare players from different eras! Every eras have their own goat 🐐
The young guys don't really don't understand basketball.The ABA change the NBA after the merger.Dr.j Connie Hawkins,pistol Pete I can go on and on.Oh I forgot about the ice man the great George Given.
90% of earth has MJ as goat. Grow a brain
Tell the old heads to let their nostalgia go. They act as if Jordan went 82-0 for 12 years. Nike did a number on them.
@@vicshephard9231 Nostalgia? LeChoke is 4 out of 10... dude loses nonstop to everyone. His nickname should be MR 40%. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Stop worshipping losers. LeChoke ain't even better than Kareem
Yeah, and it didnt have a lebrons james era....
If Lebron NEVER addressed the conversation himself, most people might've ranked him higher but the self aggrandizement just seems to many that he is forcing himself on the pedestal and that gives many a bad impression of his legacy and is exactly why MJ will always the greatest to ever play.
stop lying goofy
I think this is the first time I agree with Rob in some points Jajaja. He did change the goal post really quick, but hey, he is a good player there too.
Changes? You meant more help for the “G.O.A.T.” While two teams doing more with less are in the NBA FINALS!!!