WHY Was Mary Preserved From Sin? (Responding To A Protestant)
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protestants when you tell them what full of grace means😨
Orthodox dont think she is excepted from original sin, im I wrong?
@@malamanalopa2786They don't affirm she was preserved from original sin not out of them not venerating the Theotokos, but out of the Orthodox tradition disregarding the doctrine of original sin as a whole. They can't believe she was preserved from something that doesn't exist.
@@King_Kyros sorry didnt I understand
@@malamanalopa2786 Sorry, I'll try to clarify.
You're right, Orthodox don't think Mary is preserved from original sin. But it's because they don't think original sin exists.
@@King_Kyros oh really? They dont? I didnt know that, what is their view about sin into us?
My brother in Christ, you should sing opera with such a voice
He could talk the Opera and it would sound amazing.
Mary's immaculate conception is Jesus' honor to his Mother. Wow, this is so beautifully formulated. God the Son born as a sinless baby, in perfect respect and embodiment of the Law.
how is Mary excluded from
Luke 18:19, psalm 14:3, Romans 3:23,
Mathew 7:7-11???
In all of the Old Testament when a Lamb was chosen for Passover it was without spot or blemish. There is no requirement in the Old Testament that says the Lambs mother needed to be without spot or blemish.
Like Abraham said in Genesis 22, "God will provide for himself a lamb for the burnt offering."
@@HillbillyBlack Jesus is the Lamb of God, the Son of Man, the only begotten son of God, the Father. Your example equates any lamb with Jesus, but lambs are not divine, and thus are limited in what they can represent.
@@Olivier1 read again, lambs sacrificed was not just any lamb. They had to be as perfect as possible. This is why you RCs NEEED to read your bible. Get off the tradition wagon.
I am soon to be confirmed into my local Eastern Catholic Church and I can say these videos are awesome! So thanks a lot man for creating them! A thought I just can't let go of is that, sadly, the theological truths of Catholicism sometimes prove to be way too complicated and challenging for the minds of most modern people (mostly atheists & protestant Christians in my observation). The issue, of course, isn't with the truth itself but with the majority of people who've become so narrow-minded and wish to be spoon-fed everything in a way so brief and quick that they just can't sit for long enough to appreciate the fullness of the truth of the Church and so instead they go and get fed junk in the overly simplistic modern protestant parishes. Kinda reminds me of how many people would rather go for a cheap bland McDonalds instead of cooking themselves a delicious home-made meal just cause it's easier, cheaper, faster and requires less altogether. The topics of the immaculate conception of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences and a few more always seem to rattle the jimmies of modern theological minimalists a.k.a. protestants as they require a much deeper dive into writings, truth and self-observation than what they're used to. Anyway, these are just my thoughts. Cheers from Bulgaria bro!
What type of Eastern Catholic will you join?
God works in mysterious ways lol I just was struggling with the concept of Mary being sinless today.
Thanks for everything you do.
Don’t be fooled brother, Mary isn’t sinless. Only one who was capable of not sinning and living a sinless life is Jesus.
@@CyberDavid2413Stupid comment. If you say God alone is capable of being sinless then you deny God’s omnipotence in making a human being sinless. We will ourselves be sinless in heaven.
@@Catholic-Christian insulting huh typical Catholic when they don’t like when truth comes out. It’s mention within the scriptures that no one is sinless only Jesus.
Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim.
As an ordinary part of the human race, born into the world the ordinary way, Mary was not without sin. Romans 3:23 teaches that all have sinned and fall short of God’s glory, and there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that Mary was an exception to this rule. The apostle John wrote, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us” (1 John 1:8-10). The “we” in this passage includes Mary, the mother of Jesus. To claim Mary is without sin is an example of “deceit.”
@@CyberDavid2413 Never says that. You are misintepreting the Word 'ALL' which many times does not literally mean every single individual.
Sorry but you are wrong dear sir, the Angel Gabriel used a Word which means she had already been graced before but God doesnt choose a sinner for his mother so she must have been protected. Unless you change your mind on this you are still under Satan’s deception.
@@Catholic-Christian nothing biblical to back up your claim. Typical Catholic using words and traditions of men.
Happy Easter everyone
Holy Virgin; the Mother of God...pray for us.
St. Joseph; the protector of the Child and Virgin...pray for us.
"The best there is, the best there was, and the best there will ever will be"... If you know, you know!!!
Oh I know brother haha
Salve Maria
Voice of reason please pray for me, may God bless you abundantly I like your videos
All are sinners. Even Mary, after giving birth to Jesus Christ, was guilty like everyone else.
No one exists in this world who is righteous except Jesus Christ.
That's the simple truth. The truth does not care about reasoning according to fleshly feelings.
Dat Schlëmmst ass datt d'Maria net vu Protestanten oder net-konfessionelle Chrëschten gär ass. Si nennen hir dout, well si ass net dout, hire Geescht riicht am Paradäis.
They blaspheme and hate her as much as demons do
@@superiorshotgun4348 in fact some protestants act worse than demons
@@superiorshotgun4348It’s not surprising that they hate the Rosary.
@@superiorshotgun4348well, their religion exists because of demonic influence, so of course they despise Mary. They may say they don't, but the fact is that the Mary they recognize is a protestant creation and has little to do with the actual Mary.
The fact that protestants think they own the term "Christian" and can say who is or isn't a Christian based on if someone holds to the heresy of sola fida is laughable. We're being kind by referring to them as Christian despite them being heretics. They may truly think they're Christian, but Christians have faith in Christ, which means submitting to His Church, not the doctrines of men. You can't love Christ and hate His Body. I make sure whenever I debate or argue with protestants to say "Christians believe..." instead of "Catholics believe..." when speaking of Catholic dogma or doctrines. Because to be Christian means to be Catholic and vice-versa. Protestants may believe Mary was sinful, but Christians don't.
JOHN 19: 26 - 27
Show me in the Bible where it is written that she didn’t have original sin. I see in other videos that “ show me in the Bible” line is used for some things but other doctrine that are adding to Gods word won’t be found in Gods word but made by man .
Ofcourse we all have freewill as do Mama Mary, but, Do we all know what difference between Blessed Mother Mary and us?
OBEDIENCE ,
obedience to the will of God
The Best there Is, the Best there Was, and the Best there ever Will Be!!
That's our Blessed Mother!!! ❤
Great video and response as always per usual. Very well done. I'm looking forward to that future conversation.
Extra shoutout for that Hitman shirt. You should incorporate that moniker into your podcasts. They really are excellently executed!!
Amazing explanation. Very well said
Every knee will bow and every tongue will CONFESS that Jesus Christ ✝️ is Lord, to the GLORY of God the Father.
You will bend the knee to Mary too. She's the queen of heaven and Jesus is the King of Kings. Better learn the protocol not unless you grew up in a monarchy.
@@ramuelingibraltar802Show me where in the bible it says that she’s the “queen of heaven”?
@@karldaren1048 Revelations 12:1
@@ramuelingibraltar802 you are funny😭😭😭
@karldaren1048 We disagree on theology but at the end of the day Jesus said: If you dont believe me then believe my works(miracles). We have world renowned miracles like the Eucharistic Miracles and the many holy apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Apparitions that converted countries. Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Akita, Our Lady of Las Lajas and more. Our God is living and the miracles in the church testify to the theology of the Catholic Church that is pleasing to God. Go to Jerusalem today and you will find a Catholic Church in every spot where Jesus was,taught and performed. Go to Antioch ( Antakya, Turkey) where they were first called Christians and you will find a Catholic Church. You will find a Catholic Church where the Apostles evangelized,martyred or died. That says a lot more than arguing about the context of scripture and how it works in courts in regards to validity, merit and authentication. You read the word Bible on your Bible and don't even realize that the origin of the word is Latin. Bible is middle English but derives from Latin. What merit does your church have? Any world renowned miracles? Arguing over context does nothing in court in regards to proving credentials, merit, validation and authentication. You laugh but all you have is arguing over the context of scripture. Thats how Jesus was tempted in the desert. With a warped false gospel presented with arrogance.
How do you have productive conversations with Protestants who start the dialog with a false belief about what Catholics believe? For example, "Catholics worship statues." Then they throw up a picture of someone bowing before a statue of a Saint, or Mary, or I've even been told this and their "evidence" is someone before a crucifix.
You don't.
As you enter a house, wish it peace. 13 If the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; if not, let your peace return to you.[f] 14 [g]Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words-go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet
Looks like worship. Smells like worship. 🤷
Thats the same explanation muslims give when you call them a pagan
@@razoredge6130 *to protestants. It looks and smells like worship to protestants because they do not know what true Christian worship is. Most protestants have no clue what worship entails.🤷♂️ How do you think Christians worship God?
Bret 'The Hitman' Hart
A special grace from God the Father.
Sins counted against? I guess falling from grace is not biblical? This prot is pretty confusing to himself.
"I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN YOU AND THE WOMAN."
Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim.
As an ordinary part of the human race, born into the world the ordinary way, Mary was not without sin. Romans 3:23 teaches that all have sinned and fall short of God’s glory, and there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that Mary was an exception to this rule. The apostle John wrote, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us” (1 John 1:8-10). The “we” in this passage includes Mary, the mother of Jesus. To claim Mary is without sin is an example of “deceit.”
ather than teach that Mary was sinless, the Bible gives evidence that she was a normal person with a normal person’s need of salvation. In Mary’s praise-filled, humble prayer in Luke 1, she says, “My spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (verse 47). If she were sinless, she would not have needed a “Savior.” Mary receives a gentle rebuke from Jesus in John 2:4, which hardly seems fitting if she were sinless.
Name me the sin Mary committed, and I'll agree with you.
Mary is God's greatest creation. What's wrong with believing that the one who is at enmity with the snake is without sin? She's not divine, but she is full of grace and free from any stain.
@@jd3jefferson556 for all have fallen short and sinned. No one is sinless only our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
@@jd3jefferson556you can say that about any person mentioned lightly in the Bible. Marry is not mentioned extensively we don't see her as much as the apostles. What's effectively like me naming one of the many people mentioned in the genealogy records in the Bible and asking you to tell me a sin that they committed. Can you tell me what fact that they committed a sin it may not be mentioned in the bible but I am sure that everyone except Jesus in the Bible has committed a sin.
@@jd3jefferson556can you give me the sins of Shealtiel. Probably not because they were only mentioned in genealogy records.
@@justdoinmything yes but scripture also has an angel giving her the title Full of Grace, all before the Incarnation even occurred. The Angel "hailed" her as if she was even higher than him, as if she were royalty.
More importantly than that, in the protoGospel we are promised by God a Woman who's Seed will crush the wicked snake, and her Seed and the Woman will be at enmity with the snake. Enmity means the Seed and the Woman are at complete odds with the snake and the snake has nothing on the woman and the Seed.
Even more importantly the first Christians in the first 3 centuries of Christianity saw Jesus as the new Adam (which all Protestants accept) and Mary as the New Eve, which is only the logical conclusion of Jesus being the new Adam. Eves disobedience led to the fall of Adam, while the New Eves obedience in her perfect yes to God, gave rise to the New Adam to come into the world and save us all.
Christianity is so deep and so layered my fried, we are so lucky to be Christian
I just like to point out that Mike who's very insecure blocks Catholics when he gets rattled. ASK Acts of the apostles and many more. Also is afraid of letting anyone but his echo chamber stitch his videos.
Still talks to voice of reason? But not others. Doesn't make sense.
This video kind of blows my mind. I've never heard theology like this and it actually makes so much sense and is cohesive. My particular denomination of Christianity (COGIC) also teaches that we can live sinless lives after being saved..... but that gives me a question. In my denomination we refer to each other as "saints" but I've heard Catholics refer to themselves as "sinners" and I believe they were baptized Catholics. Does this contradict?.... I heard the rosary and it's also in the rosary.
Well, we Catholics refer to ourselves as ‘sinners’ because we are. We can try and do God’s will in our lives, but we also know we will fail sometimes because that’s how life as a human goes. One moment we can be doing good, and the next can fail at doing the good and need to rectify the wrong we’ve done.
The Church recognizes saints as those being in Heaven and who at that point can never sin again because they are in God’s eternal grace. Capital “S” Saints refer to those the Church recognizes as for sure being in Heaven based on certain criteria such as the working of miracles and their general life. Now that doesn’t mean non-canonized (the term to distinguish the Saint title) souls aren’t saints in heaven, it just means the Church doesn’t have the necessary evidence to make that call one way or another.
So in a nutshell, Catholics call ourselves sinners because we know we can fail and strife to do better with the grace of God. “Saints” is directed more towards those who have achieved that state of grace and are with God in heaven. In a way, it kind of keeps people in this life humble as we don’t know for sure if we’re fully fulfilling God’s will for us, whereas being with God in heaven is kind of a more obvious clue if we did things right or not. 😅
No love. It doesn't contradict. When catholics refer to themselves as sinners, they arent saying they aren't saints or can't be. They are simply acknowledging who they are by nature: sinful. It's a humbleness before God. Telling God, they understand that without Him they are lost.
I hope that makes sense. God be with you.
@@jendoe9436 I can respect that… and truthfully life is long and it is rare for someone to truly stay sinless. If they say they have, then possibly they are lying lol. Thank you :)
@@DjSostre7 ok appealing to human “nature” and then being “humble” are super valid points. It makes sense and I respect it. Thank you :) God bless you as well!
@@CrownedDiaries for sure! Even some of the greatest saints would often say/write how they felt so undeserving of God’s grace in their lives and cite how they want to do so much more in following God’s will in their lives. This sentiment shared by people who could attract crowds from miles around to hear them speak, spend hours and hours in prayerful meditation, go out and help others without thinking twice, even perform miracles, and still they always felt they could do more. It’s both inspiring and kind of intimidating sometimes 😅
Going back a bit to the idea of humility, I really like a quote Fr. Mike Schmitz (Bible in Year podcast guy and a generally good priest and speaker) cites, “Humility is not thinking less of yourself, it’s thinking of yourself less.” The Saints were like that in their lives in the sense that they never really put themselves down, as they are God’s creation and thus good, but simply wanted to do more to follow God’s will and didn’t want their own wills to block His will out.
I definitely believe in retroactive prayers so this concept isn't hard to believe.
Mary was not immaculately conceived. The Bible does not mention this. You are guilty of idolatry.
For one who never had sin why does she have to be preserved from sin ?
Read the ProtoEvangalism of James regarding her birth
See that when you stand before her, for all will, that her open palm have no spot on it, , if there be , it is not her sin but the sin of the one who stands before her,
If the author says in Job 14:4 “Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!” wouldn't that mean it is necessary for Mary to be sinless to conceive Jesus as pure?
I don't think it logically follows that Jesus could apply his salvation to himself if he was sinless.
Was Mary the only one in scripture that found grace and was blessed by God? Was she the only one chosen by God? I believe scripture says we were chosen by God, that we didn't choose him. So this notion that Mary had to say yes is ludicrous. What God proposes and wills, is going to happen and NOBODY can prevent it. God did not get with the angel and said let's check with Mary first and see if she wants to bring the Messiah. God didn't say otherwise this is going to work. Mary was not here to do her will. She did what God had prophesied and wanted. Just like Jesus. He repeatedly said he came to do the will of the Father.
Purgatory is such a non issue for me, if you're there, you're saved. No problem. Orthodox dont even have a clear after death doctrine. Some believe in toll houses, some don't.
The "orthodox" fell away from the faith in 1054
for real. I dislike how much modern catholics defend them@@laurencescrenci1460
@@laurencescrenci1460be gracious. Holy orthodox saints are doing all they can. They have faith in Christ and are doing as commanded.
They aren't commanded to bow before the pope. If so, where?
They are commanded to believe on Christ, and keep his commandments.
God be with you.
@@DjSostre7Then how come the eastern Church accepted Papal supremacy before 1054 . It is in Nicea II
@@laurencescrenci1460 so the eastern orthodox church accepted papal supremacy in 1054 and rejected papal supremacy in 1054?
great great job Alex. greetings from Chile. cheers!
Does scripture say she was preserved? Or is this another one of those sound goodgeel good, it doesn't have to be in the bible fairytales?
Masterpiece, thank you VoR, this really helped me, I always have been teached that every man has to to sin and we cannot not sin, that changed now! Glory to Jesus Christ, I’m also going to read the Imitation of Christ and the Spiritual Exercises from Ignatius.
where is the biblical evidence?
JESUS says keep Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy!
“The Bible says remember that thou keep the Sabbath day. The Catholic Church says, 'NO!'. By my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And, lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
-Father Enright,
American Sentinal, June 1893.
7th day Sabbath = (Exo.20:8-11)
1st day Sunday = (Mark 7:7)
The WORD teaches 7th day is holy!
The WORLD teaches 1st day is holy!
🤔WHO DO YOU OBEY???????????
You sound the A Seventh Day Adventist who loves Ellen White 💀
@@vanessawebber6538
I can prove all my beliefs through the BIBLE alone!
Actually the Commandments say "Keep the Lord's day" 🤷🏾♂️
@@protestant77can you? Is confessing a sin to a Jesus biblical?
@@vanessawebber6538lol. Good one.
Excellent. Thank you.
Respect to Mary mother if Jesus but she was sinless? Cause sone pope said so? Jesus was God born of flesh and free of sin.
Because she is the new ark of the covenant
This is the problem with once saved always saved, and free Grace soteriology.
Is they cant see how yes we still can Sin. But the most important teaching about Sin, is some sins or higher then others.
Prots stealing candy bar, & committing murder are two different types of sins💯 The Bible "Alone" literally says there's Sins u can commit that will lead to death in 1 John 5:16.
This is literally talking about spiritual death. Come on prots wake up, & study church history.
And don't say well I have the Bible, so I don't need to read any church fathers.
when the Bible comes out of that same history, that gave you the Bible for u could read.
So without that history you wouldn't have a canonized Bible to read from.
The Bible is the Word of God. The
Bible is the only book you need to
read and listen to.
Not some “church father”.
Trust only in the Word of God.
The Word of God is the final authority.
@@BelieveinJesustobeSaved my argument was never about, that the Bible is not the word of God.
So don't attack strawman my friend. That is not right for u to do.
Of course the Bible is the true inspired word of God.
But u are the one, who did u bring up, that everything is thought in scripture.
But where in scripture does it say that? ? ?
Bc you're making a claim, so if you're making a claim then u have to prove it. Bc the onus is on u to prove.
Also my whole point is to point out, when in history did this take place at.
When in history did the books of the Bible become canonized to be one book...
Since the Bible is a collection of diff books.
Bc without those men in history, we would have no canon. But you're saying we dont need those men to learn scripture.
How do u think we got the Bible to be canonized into one book?
Bc with that logic that's like saying hey we needed these men in history, to go all over the world & collect all these diff Scrolls in diff Churches. Then compile all these diff books together, to canonize the Bible together to be one book. But u think we don't need their teachings.
But we need these men for the Canon to be one book in history. but we don't need to hear what they have to say in history, to learn the Theology of the Canon that they passed down.
So they just passed down the bible down through history, but didn't pass down their teaching of the Bible through history. So they just passed down the Bible alone, without their teaching of the Bible?
I mean u can't have your cake, & eat it too. That's being a hypocrite my friend.
U cant take the bible out of history, that those men canonized for us. Then ignore their teaching on what the bible really teaching.
Bc they're the ones who told us what were the correct inspired scriptures. For the bible to be one book. For the whole entire world.
I mean do u really think they didn't know what the correct gospel was? ? ?
But they knew the correct 27 NT books that forms the 4 Gospels💯, but didn't know what the true Gospel is.
What did they teach a false gospel then?
Maybe they got lucky & just knew the exact correct 27 NT scriptures.
Do u really believe that those men who were entrusted to the church through the Holy Spirit. Who were entrusted to know the exact correct inspired scriptures through the Holy Spirit.
But then not know the correct interpretation of those scriptures, to know the correct one true Gospel of those same scriptures.
You're taking one thing out of history from men (ie The Bible). But then ignoring the teachings of those very same men, that they taught throughout history & passed down to other faithful men. When it was the same men who were the ones who canonized the books to be the canon throughout history.
It's not one or the other, it's both and together has one. U can't take one teaching out of history, then ignore the other teachings of history.
When those are the same exact teachings is what gives us the canon (ie_Bible)...
@@BelieveinJesustobeSaved this is the reason why u can't answer my question.
But I don't know why Protestants want to ignore this question, about the canon.
Bc u take this one Bible, & trust all the books inside the bible. Then base your whole entire theology on, from the one bible.
But where in the Bible alone, does it tell you what books go in the Bible alone?
Since u don't need Church fathers, or u don't need any men from history, to teach uabout Christianity.
Then where in the Bible alone, does it tell u what books go in the Bible?
Hopefully you do better in the debate this time. You were too congenial last time and got walked over. And he is one of the largest anti-catholic tiktocker out there.
Catholics are usually too kind to protestants. For one we refer to them as Christians instead of heretics.
@@mikejames303Yeah.
Prostant hate us Catholics
So this guy makes money by reacting to other religion video????😂😂😂😂 2024 and a man can’t find a job🎉
@LelaAukes
2 weeks ago
Beautiful Mother Maria thank you to be with us. I love worship glorify you and your son Jesus our God almighty
This is from a vid called harvard atheist professor sees Mary. But they deleted it yesterday because its embarrassing.
I saw a lot of opinion but not a shred of scripture to back up Mary being sin free. Jesus is said to be without sin or sinless multiple times. Not one clear verse for Mary? Its all an appeal to emotion. But that doesn't really count as facts does it? Jesus is sinless, Mary not so much. She was a fallen human just like us. Nothing in the bible to suggest otherwise.
2nd council of Lyon didn't resolve the purgatory argument?
Thanks, Alex, for another great video!
For one who never had sin , what is preserving her from sin ?
For Me To Born Again is to be Born with Mary. Being Born again means that you are Christ like. That's why for me accepting Mary is a perfect example of being truly reborn, as Jesus said on the Cross when he is about to die, " Women behold your son, Son behold your Mother" is like a last will and testament that we must truly treasure. We cannot reborn without a Mother right, because through motherhood child was born and that was Mary did. We cannot deny as we Glorify Jesus as our God and Savior we somehow Glorify Mary's role as Mother of her son Jesus. Jesus humanity is bone of Mary's bone and flesh of Mary's flesh. Mary is the first one to receive and experience in what we call in the scripture " The Word became flesh and Dwelt among us." Jesus dwelt first inside Mary's womb before he began to dwell with us which I think as sign of his complete union with us, as he need to experience being born as human. That's why Mary is depicted as a new Arc of the covenant where the Word of God first dwelt(the 10 commandments) before and now became flesh which is Jesus who dwelling among us right now.
Wow… what did I stumble upon. This video is a great example of having to make things up to fit your Catholicism.
I think I like this video not just because you are defending our Mother Mary, but because you are recreating consciousness of sin. Sin nowadays is a lifestyle and it's called freedom, enjoying once youth, sex out of marriage is now a remedy for stress. Sin has taken many forms just to make man think it does not offend God
Could I snag the link to the video you reference? The one where you respond to eternal security?
Honest question because I'm considering Catholicism: How can the Virgin Mary be a virgin for the rest of her life while Jesus supposedly had brothers and sisters?
to my knowledge the terms brothers and sisters applied to close family in the original language :)
Back in the day, cousins could be labeled brothers and sisters, and if that's not good enough, it's said Joseph could have had children is his previous marriage.
St. Joseph was a widower. He was around 60 I believe
But I will say at least, we see the word "brother" being used to describe an uncle-nephew relationship in Gen 12: 12, 14, Abram and Lot. Hebrew and I believe Aramaic as well did not have a word for some of these more extended relations. Greek did, but in order to reflect the actual speech, the gospel writers used what was actually spoken.
Some other episodes of his podcast I think would be great to check out.. The Bible on the Eucharist: Strange, Sacrificial, Serious, Sacramental, Shocking --- Did Catholics Add 7 Books to the Bible? Or Did Protestants Remove Them? --- A "Lost" Book Foretold the Death of Jesus Christ? ||| Debunking the "Pagan Roots" of Marian Devotion (this is the second video in a 3 or 4 week response to intercession of the saints and veneration, though, so the videos around it are good too)
The podcast is called Shameless Popery, on youtube and other places on audio form. My original comment was deleted on which I said my favorite episode is Was Mary A Perpetual Virgin?
@@filipesak4619
Jospeh never married before mary
yeah that's gonna be a no for me, and purgatory? Extra NOPE a different gospel
Bro you should lift some heavy shoulder presses and weighted pull ups
I think we don’t need listen videos go and read bible “ but i also read bible is so wrong
What basis is there to the argument that Mary was not "concupisent" though?
with concupisence it is litteraly impossable not to venialy sin.
Only God is free from flaws, mistakes; perfect, which is what immaculate means.
Him who was conceived within Mary was without sin.
If Jesus needed an immaculate vessel to bring Him into the world, it also means that the world had to be immaculate also, and WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE; and it is exactly why He was born, in order to take away the sin of the world.
Thank you THIS!
@@admiraloatmeal
The special grace that Mary received was during her gestation period. Before conception, the Scriptures say that Mary was highly favored for the purpose of becoming the vessel God would use to bring forth the Savior.
You are correct about having special permission to touch the ark, but Scripture does not say that Mary could not be touched by another during her pregnancy, and no special permissions were necessary.
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Did you know that it took Noah over a hundred years to build the Ark. The Ark was a vessel to save Noah and his family from judgement upon the ungodly. A vessel is synonymous with the word instrument or vehicle. Would you prefer me to use the word instrument?
Mary was imparted holiness from God. Mary of her own self had none. "The flesh profits nothing, it is the Spirit that gives life."
@@admiraloatmeal
It is because you do not believe that Mary was born of the fallen seed of Adam. There are many, such as you, who are taught that Mary was conceived or born without sin. If this were the case, we would not need Jesus. The Scriptures would say instead, "Mary, who knew no sin, became sin for us so that we could become the righteousness of God in Mary." Moreover, Mary would have no need to say, "God my Savior."
It is an evil spirit that elevates anyone other than Jesus, "the name that is above all names."
God gave His church the five-fold ministry: Apostle, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists to DO the work of the ministry. They are all vessels/instruments of God for the purpose of fulfilling His work. Acts 9:15; 2 Timothy 2: 20-21.
@@dannisivoccia2712it isn't just Jesus being sinlessness that made him a sacrifice for all. Because he is one with God, his existence is without beginning or end. So when he was crucified, it happened throughout eternity. Humans have a beginning, our creation, so a sinless sacrifice of a human would not have any effect on eternity. Therefore, a sinless Mary could not die for our sins.
Well explained. So simple and easy to understand.
Sigh. All have sinned.
@@greatbriton8425 sigh. “All” is being used generally here, not absolutely. And we have other evidence from the Bible that tells us what Mary was without sin.
@@VoiceOfReason_ No, all means all. And you have no evidence at all that Mary was sinless.
Even Jesus confirms that his own mother was not holy:
Mar 10:18 KJV - And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
You must realise that in order for God to prevent Mary from sinning AT ALL he has to prevent her from having free will her entire life, otherwise she can simply entertain a wrong thought for a moment and she's done. That's mind control, not salvation. And aside from the depths of knotty problems we run into with that mind enslavement, we know God did not control her mind because she forgot Jesus when as a child he was at the temple.
Regardless of the above, Mary had the original sin of Adam imputed to her, for she died. God could control her like a robot but she still needed a Saviour to rescue her from Adam's sin.
1 Corinthinans 15:22 KJV - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
All means all.
Romans 5:14 KJV - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that HAD NOT SINNED after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Matthew Henry: "Original sin is a want of conformity to, and actual sin is a transgression of, the law of God: therefore all were under some law. His proof of it is, Death reigned from Adam to Moses, v. 14. It is certain that death could not have reigned if sin had not set up the throne for him. This proves that sin was in the world before the law, and original sin, for death reigned over those that had not sinned any actual sin, that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, never sinned in their own persons as Adam did-which is to be understood of infants, that were never guilty of actual sin, and yet died, because Adam's sin was imputed to them."
I think a lot of people are forgetting Mary is the new ark of the covenant, which was so holy one who wasn’t a priest would die at the touch. Housing the bread from heaven, the high priest, and the law. Jesus was all 3 things and was housed in the womb of Mary. Jesus being the fulfillment of the covenant makes Mary the new Ark as she housed Him in her womb.
Reasoning strongly smells of carnal mind.
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So just to clarify,
Concupiscence refers to strong desires or urges, often related to physical pleasures or indulgence. Temptation, on the other hand, is the allure or enticement to do something wrong or forbidden?
Correct. Concupiscence is inward, our own personal inclination away from God's plan. Temptation by it's very nature is outward, outside of the person trying to sway us. Just as with Eve, both were tempted, both didn't have the inclination to listen to those temptations, but both had the free will to chose diverging paths.
First of, Mary was conceived with out sin because her mother and father couldn’t get pregnant, her father went to the temple to bring sacrifices and prayers to God and he was away from home for about 6 months, when he came back home the Virgin Mary’s mother was pregnant in a way she was conceived by the grace of God and that’s why we say she was born without sin. God chose her to be the mother of his beloved son Jesus Christ and he had to made someone very special and with out the touch of any sin. Mary was a perfect child, young lady, wife, and mother, God didn’t even permitted her husband Joseph to touch her and he didn’t he respected her till the day of his death.
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Can you what a rapture is and if Catholics actually believe this or not.
Catholics do not believe in the rapture.
Has concupiscence to do with sexual desire or desire to sin?
That’s it, anything that is related with the disordered desire of wordly things or dishonest pleasures, such as things of sexual matter (e.g. sex outside of marriage, adultery, etc) or indulging the fruits of capital sins as might be envy, laziness, etc. as well
Only sinful desires, such as anything that is disordered. Great question!
@@VoiceOfReason_ Google’s definition: ”strong sexual desire, lust” 😂 but thank you for a quick answer, great video as always!
The word could be used either way, the natural meaning is about sexual inclination, the theological meaning is about general human inclination to sin. Its a matter of context; whenever original sin is part of the discussion, concupiscence assumes the latter meaning
sexual desire is a good and natural thing, lust and sin are not
The bible is extremely clear that there isn’t any “perfect” being besides Jesus. It’s clear that there aren’t any that are free of sin except for Jesus.
Now the argument for “the incarnation of Jesus had to be perfect, so Mary had to be perfect” is completely illogical for me. Jesus was born in a barn he wasn’t born in a “perfect place”, he was hunted when he was a baby and had to run which again is far from perfect, and came from Nazareth which was a town full of sin and hanged with sinners and tax collectors throughout his entire life. That doesn’t seem like a “perfect” plan to me, the only reason it’s “perfect” it’s because God uses evil to complete his perfect will, and all the evil that Jesus witnesses was actually used for good.
It may make more sense to you knowing that Catholics view Mary as the ark of the new covenant, which cannot contain sin. Exodus would be a good example of what happens when sin is introduced to the ark
@@alback7 I respect that even if I don’t think it’s accurate. The concept of Mary being sinless and a “perfect being” like mentioned in the video actually was accepted from a dogma about 200 years ago, and started being debated about 1,500 years after Jesus was gone… I believe it’s dangerous for us as Christians to add things that directly contradict bible verses that mention that Jesus was the only “perfect” being. I get it’s easy to make connections like the one you mentioned, but biblically it’s more than clear that the only perfect being was ours and Mary’s savior, Jesus.
@@Charlie-lu4wiYou mistake "perfect" for those with means - and by default - money and power. The Master of the Universe could choose to come as anything he wanted obviously; but to do otherwise would be against the New Covenant He Himself masterminded. I think many - not you specifically - misunderstand the times before Christ. The rivers and streets flowed with blood as the evil one ruled and the Gates of Heaven were closed to all men.There was no charity, no good will. Rational creatures lived by the sword; darwinism if you will.
@@Charlie-lu4wijust curious. Is there a certain timeframe when you would accept church dogmas, because the Church has had to speak against many false teachings and the “lateness” of Marian Dogmas come out of response to post reformation fallacies. In other words the Church gives an answer when the question is given.
Examples of answering falsehoods
Gnosticism 1st and 2nd centuries
Montanism 2nd Century
Sabellianism 3rd century
Arianism 4th Century
Pelagianism 5th Century
Nestorianism 5th Century
Monophysitism 5th Century
Iconoclasm 7 and 8th Century
Catharism 11 century
Protestantism 16 th century
Jansenism 17 th century
Etc.
@@Gcock That’s true, however it’s widely believed that Jesus’ sacrifice also saved people like Abraham which came before Jesus’ incarnation. When Abraham trusted in God, scripture says that it was counted to him as righteousness. But I understand what you mean about covenant theology. I believe that when Jesus completed the covenant (at the time of his death), we were all saved upon accepting him into our hearts. Since we live in him, when he died free of sin he took our sin and paid for it, and by living perfectly, we are also made worthy enough to be accepted into heaven. Not because of how we live, but because he completed the covenant for us. He took the law upon himself, and his actions are counted for us since he lives in us when we accept him. So the covenant is the same throughout our history, but through Gods love and grace, we were able to partake in it and be relieved of its punishments.
So, in heaven, do we still have free will?
If so, then can we still sin?
No
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Well the thing is that she wasn't. Immaculate conception is relatively new dogma from 19th century.
False. You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Immaculate Conception was dogmatically DEFINED in the 19th century; that does NOT mean it was invented at that time. The Immaculate Conception can be proven proven from Scripture and it was taught in the second century by St. Irenaus of Lyons.
You argue just like a Muslim who will claim that the Divinity of Jesus was made up at the Council of Nicaea in 325.
@@VoiceOfReason_ Christs divinity was church teaching from start and it had to be defined to stop heresy. Unlike Immaculate conception and papal supremacy both can be disproven by scripture and church history.
@@filipesak4619 nope. Both Papal supremacy and the Immaculate Conception were also believed by the Church from the very beginning. In fact, both beliefs are found in St. Ireneaus alone.
@@VoiceOfReason_ No one saint defines the church. Papal supremacy is contradicting The epistle of Peter and Acts of the Apostles and no one can can tell me otherwise. But I must admit that my initial comment was rather unpolite and unnecessary adding nothing to the debate. And with my mediocre english I can't possibly match your apologetic skill. That's also why I watch your videos reacting to protestants and muslims. But this time the topic was against my faith so I wrote that empty comment. Thank you for taking the time to chat with me. Keep up the excellent work and God bless you and your loved ones.
@@VoiceOfReason_ *Both Papal supremacy and the Immaculate Conception were also believed by the Church from the very beginning. In fact, both beliefs are found in St. Ireneaus alone.*
Irenaeus isn't 'from the very beginning' is it? Neither of those are in scripture and i would ask for your sources regarding Irenaeus.
📜 Psalm.51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
📜 Romans.11:32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
📜 Romans.23:23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
📜 Isaiah.8:20Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
📜 Romans.2:11For God does not show favoritism.
📜 Acts.10:34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.
📜 Matthew.12:46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Romans 2:11 and Acts 10:34 speak of showing favoritism to nations, not individuals. Surely he was partial to some more than others, whether that be because of the way they lived or their ancestry, look at Abraham, Joseph or Issac. Romans 11:32 doesn't apply to Mary, God showed her mercy at conception. Neither does Romans 23:23, all doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, Mary being one of those. The Psalm doesn't apply to Mary, because again she was given a special grace by God at conception. Isaiah 8:20 is speaking of acertain prophecy by Isaiah, it has nothing to do with what you are trying to imply by taking it out of context, and the reason why we know Mary is without sin is because of scripture, not in spite of it. The title given to her by Gabriel, Kecharitomene, means so much more than just full of grace, it tells us who Mary is. Oh, and Matthew 12:46 isn't even an objection, Mary does the will of God, see Luke 1:38, so she is indeed his mother. Jesus is just say doing the will of God is more important than natural kinship.
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📜 Matthew.12:48 But Jesus replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
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📜 Matthew.26:64Jesus replied, “You have said it.
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📜 John.6:43“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them
📜 Romans.3:10As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
Good verses but does not specifically prove that Mary is stained with sin. On the other hand, here are a few verses (out of many) that specifically prove Mary thru God's grace, was never tainted with sin.
Genesis 3:15
Revelation 12
Exodus 25:10-22
Luke 1:26-38
Not even Jesus Christ called Mary mother. He called her woman. She admittedly said the child she was to birth was also her Lord and Savior. The fact that Jesus Christ said he's the only way (intercessor) to the Father Jehovah and no one else it's wild. Pray to no one else because that's what the pagans do. But everyone should read the Bible for themselves and not just trust religion and man. God bless. 😊
And what is the way to Christ?
@@darrellperez1029 we can go directly to Christ he is our intermediary there is no way to the Father accept through Him
@@justdoinmything Amen. And according to the bible, we can also go to intercessors. Even Christ said this in James 5:17
I read the Bible, it made me Catholic, but unlike yourself, I don’t trust myself, I rely on God to show me the Truth
The Answer is simple:
If living with Jesus did Not keep Mary sinless, and being with the Actual Jesus Christ for 36 years* does nothing for Your Character, then Jesus is worthless or powerless.
Mary sinning while living with Jesus opens a host of moral and theological problems.
Ergo Mary must be overflowing with Grace and have no room for sin.**
I don't know how Protestants muss this all the time.
Sincerely in Xto
Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.
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*Christ was born in 4 B.C. and was crucified in 33 A.D. 37 years later, but before his birthday so I say his age is 36. Also when he starts his ministry 15th year of Titus, 29 A.D. (Gospel of Luke), Jesus is 33.
** A reference to Kecharitomiene' (spelling?).
All of us still sin and we have the spirit of Christ same as Mary. So the necessity of Mary being sinless is void
@@razoredge6130 false.
Like I said if Mary sinned than that makes Christ insufficient.
@@mbberry135 We can sin after being saved why doesn't it apply to Mary.
@@razoredge6130 She lived with Jesus. (And Jesus lived in her).
@@mbberry135 Jesus lives in us to.
how is Mary excluded from
Luke 18:19, psalm 14:3, Romans 3:23,
Mathew 7:7-11???
In all of the Old Testament when a Lamb was chosen for Passover it was without spot or blemish. There is no requirement in the Old Testament that says the Lambs mother needed to be without spot or blemish.
Like Abraham said in Genesis 22, "God will provide for himself a lamb for the burnt offering."
My guy, if Luke and Romans said what you are implying it says, Jesus would be admitting that he is a sinner and thus not part of the substance that is God.
Hopefully you see this would be problematic for Christianity.
I'd HIGHLY recommend you pick up Trent Horn "The Case for Catholicism" and just read the last section of the book. He addresses all of those passages and more.
@@manny75586 I have. Trent horns writing is weak elementary at best. his insights are intellectually driven vs from the spirit and he does not possess saving faith.
I HIGHLY suggest you READ scripture and come to KNOW God and his son. OR... man up and make a case here.
Bro you are killing it 🙏
The sin nature is passed down through the seed of the man that is why God made the promise from the beginning that Messiah would come from the seed of the woman, so that He wouldn't have the sin natire passed down to Him. Mary was not perfect, she was a virgin, undefiled by a man so the sin nature from the seed of the man was not present at the conception. Scripture says ALL have sinned, that includes Mary and nowhere does scripture say Mary was sinless while it does say Jesus was sinless.
Until you give scripture that says Mary did not sin the way it CLEARLY states Jesus never sinned, you believe a false doctrine
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