This is one of my favorites. Which given the high standard of this channel really says something. Historia civilis has a great episode on Caesars funeral which included a prop depicting his stab wounds. This made me imagine Mark Antony gesticulating, weeping and getting the crowd riled up. It would explain the riot that followed
What a LEGEND! Love his courses - very, very listenable. Thanks so much for this. As a preacher I totally understand the need for and the overflow of emotions into gestures also, even as an Englishman!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I remember asking you about this exact subject (the gestures used in HBO's Rome) a while ago. This is exactly what I wanted.
Wonderful and informative discussion-- Mr. Aldrete must be (perhaps from his research & study) an effective public speaker or lecturer-- I had this podcast playing while I was doing other tasks and found myself being captivated by the subject matter.
I might be late to the punch, but this was BY FAR one of the most informative podcasts you've ever hosted. Thank you for talking to Dr. Aldrete and bringing this subject to light. Please have him on again in the future! I learned a lot!
Loved the whole video. Loved the account of Sextus Tidius. Wouldn't he be amazed to know that his peculiarity had passed down through the ages. I also liked your comment at the end about there being a 'magic in gestures'. Mike
If I can offer a minor criticism as to the format of this podcast: it felt little bit too much like a Q&A with prepared answers; it lacked the spontaneity and back-and-forth of the earlier episodes. That's not to say that I didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't hugely informative, but I preferred when it feels more like sitting in to a fireside chat.
I will listen at work tomorrow!!! TIS can you do a book feature? You haven't done one on your book yet, and people REALLY don't know what they're missing - even non-readers would have a blast with it. You should do a quick breakdown of your book to tantalize your followers. People who haven't read Ryan's book yet: order it asap! It's basically like reading a compilation of 25 of his 10 minute videos all in one. It's VERY DIGESTIBLE, does NOT rely on academic jargon, and is super fun and full of humor, while being factual throughout.
Not sure if you've done a video on this but I'd like to see you discuss how Rome conducted medical related issues. Was it all herbs and potions, deadly surgeries, or surprisingly advanced techniques that really worked? Thank you
These are the conversations that keep Rome as my only consistent hobby. Utterly fascinating, thought-provoking, and funny. I was enthralled the whole time
I thoroughly enjoy these long form podcasts. Shorter video are great for certain subjects, but these podcasts give me a way to enjoy a more in depth experience.
Love prof Aldrete's Great Courses, especially his stuff on the ancient world. He has a real talent for breaking down how large societal processes that seem alien to us, worked.
I truely anjoyed Dr. Aldrete's Roman history lectures in The Great Courses. Plus he's great at answering questions you have if you email him. Same for Robert Garland for Greek history who also was eager to answer viewer questions. As for the rest of that service...well....they do sponsor some of Garrett's videos, so I'll leave it at that.
What a splendid vid, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks very much indeed, I‘ve learned a lot. Both Garrett and Gregory are so very good in transporting knowledge. I follow them both on Utube for quite a while now. Those 48 minutes seemed extremely short. Very well done, greetings from the other side of the pond!
This is fascinating. The Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine Christian Liturgy uses these gestures that I assume go all the way back to the third century... Which means they are probably taken from even earlier traditions. Very cool I liked the slap on the thigh... He looked outraged LOL . (Although I had no idea what he was talking about... Did he say "Blessed are the cheese makers?". )
This absolutely blew my mind. What a revelation. Gestures were like an ancillary language in themselves. It makes me sad that they are a dead language now and we will never see a great Roman oratorical performance
Oratory is serious Magic, and the ancients understood this better than anyone. To capture a crowd and seize their attention, command their emotions and stir them to passion. Whoever can be good at that sort of thing cuts a (potentially) very dangerous figure.
Ancient Roman orators dealing with hecklers reminds me a lot of modern day stand-up comedians. I think the fundamentals of their craft are the same, to evoke emotion from the audience
Well! Now another topic and authors I have to devour! Prof Alfred’s is so much fun, his enthusiasm is a bonus to his expertise, only a format like this Garrett can really work Btw, I’m sure it isn’t meant but Cicero comes off as something of a huckster … surely the legal system not allow this nonsense!
At the 11:00 mark, Professor Aldrete mentions appealing to the emotions of an audience as a persuasive tool. Puts me in the mind of the disgraced genius Roger Ailes, who in the mid-1990s, designed Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News format from top to bottom. - Youthful bleached-blonde women on-camera, appealing to the target demographic of men 34-65. - Repetition of simple derogatory phrases and buzzwords to push viewers’ hot buttons while driving home anti-left messaging. Thanks Cicero!
If we posit that the gestures are enough to make a language, then, surely they are correct that gestures can create emotions. Would anyone be willing to say that it is impossible to give a rousing speech in ASL? Or scare someone? Make someone happy?
Rhetoric requires, and in fact depends upon, the Science of Major Logic. That Logic is owed predominantly to Aristotle. And THAT is more to the answer to your question on "...the mechanics itself of Rhetoric". It is an exact science of correctly formed propositions, three to be exact and reduced to the simplest form which is two terms connected with the positive or the negative form of the Verb "To Be". For Rhetoric is useless if the standard Major, minor terms or ideas are Truly connected in the two propositions in simplest form, or not connected, by a Middle Term in such a way that the third proposition called the Conclusion is Objectively True. That structure is called The Syllogism.....et al. This is of the utmost importance we were made to know The Truth and to will The Goo, non calidum aerem. If a "rhetoric" produced chaos then it does not serve Humanity.
The influence of using gestures in late republic Rome obviously can be seen better than anywhere else in modern day Italy itself…..the undesputed masters of talking with their hands….No surprise there…!!🤌👌
As the video progressed, I found myself absolutely glued to Aldrete's gestures. What a great lecture.
Same.
This is one of my favorites. Which given the high standard of this channel really says something. Historia civilis has a great episode on Caesars funeral which included a prop depicting his stab wounds. This made me imagine Mark Antony gesticulating, weeping and getting the crowd riled up. It would explain the riot that followed
I absolutely agree with your comment.
I love those long videos,I struggle with sleep and they help me settle before bed but it means I miss half and have to watch again,not complaining😂
I love it when the speaker is passionate about their subject. How cool is that? Thank you to you both.♥
Wow this channel is criminally underrated, not even Cicero would manage to defend those who are not subbed lol
No seriously
What a LEGEND! Love his courses - very, very listenable. Thanks so much for this. As a preacher I totally understand the need for and the overflow of emotions into gestures also, even as an Englishman!
Love the guests you pick out, this was amazing.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I remember asking you about this exact subject (the gestures used in HBO's Rome) a while ago. This is exactly what I wanted.
Wonderful and informative discussion-- Mr. Aldrete must be (perhaps from his research & study) an effective public speaker or lecturer-- I had this podcast playing while I was doing other tasks and found myself being captivated by the subject matter.
Your fluency in speech is admirable. I strive to be as articulate as you are :)
Michael Parenti is one of my favorite modern orators
I might be late to the punch, but this was BY FAR one of the most informative podcasts you've ever hosted. Thank you for talking to Dr. Aldrete and bringing this subject to light. Please have him on again in the future! I learned a lot!
Loved the whole video. Loved the account of Sextus Tidius. Wouldn't he be amazed to know that his peculiarity had passed down through the ages. I also liked your comment at the end about there being a 'magic in gestures'. Mike
If I can offer a minor criticism as to the format of this podcast: it felt little bit too much like a Q&A with prepared answers; it lacked the spontaneity and back-and-forth of the earlier episodes. That's not to say that I didn't enjoy it or that it wasn't hugely informative, but I preferred when it feels more like sitting in to a fireside chat.
I will listen at work tomorrow!!! TIS can you do a book feature? You haven't done one on your book yet, and people REALLY don't know what they're missing - even non-readers would have a blast with it. You should do a quick breakdown of your book to tantalize your followers. People who haven't read Ryan's book yet: order it asap! It's basically like reading a compilation of 25 of his 10 minute videos all in one. It's VERY DIGESTIBLE, does NOT rely on academic jargon, and is super fun and full of humor, while being factual throughout.
“Dammit” - my wallet
This was a great talk, thank you.
I love the story about a Roman orator inspiring a dance move because he swayed from side to side when doing a speech 😆
"Slack-limbed English!" Ha ha! How funny. Thanks for this interview. 👏👍
Not sure if you've done a video on this but I'd like to see you discuss how Rome conducted medical related issues. Was it all herbs and potions, deadly surgeries, or surprisingly advanced techniques that really worked? Thank you
Extremely interesting, thanks to both of you!
My Italian cousin turns into a modern-Cicero when he wants to convince me . Drama, hand gestures. He has it all ! 😅
These are the conversations that keep Rome as my only consistent hobby. Utterly fascinating, thought-provoking, and funny. I was enthralled the whole time
Man I wish I could time travel and listen to these orators do their thing. Fascinating.
I thoroughly enjoy these long form podcasts. Shorter video are great for certain subjects, but these podcasts give me a way to enjoy a more in depth experience.
Professor Aldrete did so much research about Roman gestures he has now incorporated them into all of his own speech 😆
Edit: He acknowledged it
I like your comment.
We like your comment.
Of that there can be no doubt.
I'm so. Glad you guys dressed this subject! It's been in My mind for such a long time!
Wow, very intersting, what an amazing subject!
I really love these longer episodes, so much new information
This video is an excellent gateway to a lot of incredible information. Thank you very much.
I have watched every single lecture of Prof. Aldrete on what is now called Wondrium. ❤ I hope they call him to make more series..
Absolutely wonderful episode! So much interesting information! Thank you so much for your videos and amazing guests! :)
The gesture system would make a great minigame where you play a Roman trying to get a crowd to fight for you.
Love prof Aldrete's Great Courses, especially his stuff on the ancient world. He has a real talent for breaking down how large societal processes that seem alien to us, worked.
I truely anjoyed Dr. Aldrete's Roman history lectures in The Great Courses. Plus he's great at answering questions you have if you email him. Same for Robert Garland for Greek history who also was eager to answer viewer questions. As for the rest of that service...well....they do sponsor some of Garrett's videos, so I'll leave it at that.
What a splendid vid, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks very much indeed, I‘ve learned a lot. Both Garrett and Gregory are so very good in transporting knowledge. I follow them both on Utube for quite a while now. Those 48 minutes seemed extremely short. Very well done, greetings from the other side of the pond!
Such an interesting episode! Thanks!! ❤
thank you dr aldrete. y'all make me miss graduate school so much
This is fascinating.
The Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine Christian Liturgy uses these gestures that I assume go all the way back to the third century... Which means they are probably taken from even earlier traditions. Very cool
I liked the slap on the thigh... He looked outraged LOL . (Although I had no idea what he was talking about... Did he say "Blessed are the cheese makers?". )
Brilliant!
Thank you
This absolutely blew my mind. What a revelation. Gestures were like an ancillary language in themselves. It makes me sad that they are a dead language now and we will never see a great Roman oratorical performance
Fascinating. Thank you, perfesser!
Oratory is serious Magic, and the ancients understood this better than anyone. To capture a crowd and seize their attention, command their emotions and stir them to passion. Whoever can be good at that sort of thing cuts a (potentially) very dangerous figure.
"True Roman bread for true Romans" - Brought to you by the Guild of Millers
Super interesting talk. Thank you!
The legend himself
Ancient Roman orators dealing with hecklers reminds me a lot of modern day stand-up comedians. I think the fundamentals of their craft are the same, to evoke emotion from the audience
These two!!!! 🤩🤩
I was just speaking to a friend about the loss of rhetoric in general. How apropos!
For The Algorithm!
please Bring us Professor Elizabeth Vandiver from the great courses
Really interesting, love this episode! Reminded me of Mussolini’s speeches….
Well! Now another topic and authors I have to devour! Prof Alfred’s is so much fun, his enthusiasm is a bonus to his expertise, only a format like this Garrett can really work
Btw, I’m sure it isn’t meant but Cicero comes off as something of a huckster … surely the legal system not allow this nonsense!
This podcast is sponsored by the Guild of Millers, True Roman Bread for True Romans.
hahaha HBO Rome ref.
perhaps italians talking with their hands is descended from this tradition of persuading lol
First petition for a told in stone tick tock account with the first video being “the Tideus”.
45:30 HOLY BASED
At the 11:00 mark, Professor Aldrete mentions appealing to the emotions of an audience as a persuasive tool.
Puts me in the mind of the disgraced genius Roger Ailes, who in the mid-1990s, designed Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News format from top to bottom.
- Youthful bleached-blonde women on-camera, appealing to the target demographic of men 34-65.
- Repetition of simple derogatory phrases and buzzwords to push viewers’ hot buttons while driving home anti-left messaging.
Thanks Cicero!
If we posit that the gestures are enough to make a language, then, surely they are correct that gestures can create emotions. Would anyone be willing to say that it is impossible to give a rousing speech in ASL? Or scare someone? Make someone happy?
One wonders how much more context we would have in Christ's words if we had his gestures in addition to his words.
Rhetoric requires, and in fact depends upon, the Science of Major Logic. That Logic is owed predominantly to Aristotle. And THAT is more to the answer to your question on "...the mechanics itself of Rhetoric". It is an exact science of correctly formed propositions, three to be exact and reduced to the simplest form which is two terms connected with the positive or the negative form of the Verb "To Be". For Rhetoric is useless if the standard Major, minor terms or ideas are Truly connected in the two propositions in simplest form, or not connected, by a Middle Term in such a way that the third proposition called the Conclusion is Objectively True. That structure is called The Syllogism.....et al. This is of the utmost importance we were made to know The Truth and to will The Goo, non calidum aerem. If a "rhetoric" produced chaos then it does not serve Humanity.
gestures = reaction memes!
The modern equivalent of the discussion around minute 18 would be our ex president Ronald Reagan.
HBO... Name your academic sources! 😅
So, GR, practice more to channel your Italian dramatic heritage, eh...but not too much.😅
Well if you are Jewish both Hitler and Luther fall on the evil side of oration.
You professor know nothing about national socialism.
Sig Heil! 😂
The influence of using gestures in late republic Rome obviously can be seen better than anywhere else in modern day Italy itself…..the undesputed masters of talking with their hands….No surprise there…!!🤌👌