Halo Reach PC - Controller vs PC Player - 1v1!
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- In today's video I test out Keyboard & Mouse vs Controller players skill in a 1v1! What do you prefer using?
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Halo Reach on PC has recently been getting a little of heat due to PC players thinking controller players have a bit too much aim assist, today I put that to the test in 2 separate games.
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"Just click on the head man"
Oh yes. Easy as that
BRUNISPERO I mean- that’s all you do is click on the head, never said it would be easy tho lol
It is easy though, just find a good FOV+DPI+Sensitivity combination and tap away.
@@dailysnailygame5779 its not easy, you're probably a controller player
@@cx3622 No, fuck controller. I easily go 20-30 kills in Btb with m&kb
@@dailysnailygame5779 yea I'm with you, everytime i die with mouse and keyboard I never feel like it was because of controller aim assist
The battle of the ages, everything else is small compared to this
And of course it had to happen in Halo.
We're gonna have like bigass Xbox vs PC annual tournaments to declare who is the superior master race and they're gonna sell tickets like crazy. The battle of the century! The age old question, Xbox or PC
Been playing Halo on controller since 2002 and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Muscle memory, comfortability and just plain old nostalgia keeping me home!
What layout do you use?
A VeryOriginalName recon
Yes
@@averyoriginalname1379 recon as well
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1v1 starts 1:45
You can’t compare them this way. Of course shot string is important even more so with bloom. MLG v7 settings would greatly help show how aim assist does or doesn’t have an impact. My own 2c. Great vid though!
I'd say getting good data on this subject is difficult regardless. Even in optimal settings, how do you find people well matched in skill and are we talking about skill with a controller or with kbm?
I'd personally like to see a high skill kbm player go against a high skill gamepad player. I'm extremely confident that the gamepad player would dominate them, because of the conditional advantage of aim assist in mid ranged DMR fights.
@@OffTheSpot22 take away the dmr and watch the gamepad player get destroyed, its not the gamepad, its the dmr. Ive played halo since ce and im telling you i hate the dmr for a reason, its basically a sniper you spawn with, if they just got rid of dmrs at spawn this wouldnt be an issue.
@@OffTheSpot22 Would have to be a highly skilled gamepad player that hasn't ever played halo. I think a big part of the problem is people have years of experience playing halo on a controller, whereas playing Halo on M/KB is a fairly new experience for everyone. And rather than take the time to build up the muscle memory people expect to just waltz in and go toe to toe with longtime controller players on day 1.
A pro counter strike player wouldn't expect to just walk into a game of quake champions and start outgunning quake pros. Muscle memory isn't just a matter what input device you are using, its also very game specific.
@@nerdstrangler4804 Thats not the problem at all its been a year, I've been playing mcc pc with my mouse now for a year and whilst I'm substantially better mouse than before I'm still vastly worse than I am on controller.
The biggest issue is the br as every weapon has the same amount of aim assist (none) the br is as hard to aim as a sniper except you have to track all 3 shots and do it 4 times.
One feature of aim assist i used to massively underapreciate having turned it off in games like modern warfare switching to precision aim assist is the rotational aim assist that automatically adjusts your aim for the small movements whatever you're aiming at makes. Thats the reason you can't side step the last shot of a burst, something you can easily do against a mouse.
Mcc is completely broken for mouse players hence almost everyone on mouse (nearly all pc players who initially swamped to the game) have left and you can't get matches on pc without cross input.
But I dont mind too much personally or I wouldn't still be here. I'm just a halo player I play for fun and its still fun, the extra challenge can actually make it so much more satisfying when you do get a good game and mouse definately has some advantages like thr fast 180's when you get caught off guard. But for the sake of not pushing away everyone on pc again I really hope they make some attempt to balance the inputs on pc else its just going to be another fat flop atleast outside of xbox.
I'm not even for reducing aim assist on console as that changes how the og games play forever. But forcing everyone to play crossplay when they first dropped it was such a terrible idea if they were then going to ignore everyone's complaints. They completely murdered the entire playerbase in less than a month. At the least they should have made some balance changes for if you have cross input turned on.
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I swap between the two on the fly, depending on what flavor of input I'm feeling at that given moment.
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Should have played SWAT DMR only but still good vid.
why?
should have*
@@anisnej10 thanks!
But tracking is part of shielded gunfights.
@Kazuhira Miller Mouse and Keyboard loose even harder in swat though: th-cam.com/video/xdJ3qKmh5YM/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22qgzvzuk2xfjwvuacdp432chkhlaw0blud44ntputw03c010c.1578686547237431
I think, if they do an adjustment, it shouldn't be changing the aim assist for the controllers. If they want to do crossplay, thats going to alienate the entire xbox player base and all the people who prefer controller on PC for reasons other than the over tunned aim assist. I would prefer if they gave PC a slight aim assist as well, obviously far less than controller, but still some.
I think a few things making the controler vs pc feel greater than it may be, is that a lot of old halo players are using controllers vs newb pc players. So no only do you have a aim assist gap, you have a skill gap as well. On top of that, any new players that use controller have a higher skill floor than a mouse and keybord player.
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1v1 with AR starts?
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Nicks dmr spam gives me a panic attack
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mouse and keyboard vs xbox controller vs dualshock vs steam controller
Try this, connect your Xbox controller to PC and switch back to keyboard while the controller is still connected. Tell me if you notice any difference, if you have aim assist on or not
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I think M&K and Controller are balanced. Controller has the advantage of being more accurate, but you are definitely a lot more clumsy and less aware of the environment. M&K tends to be less accurate (especially at mid range), but I feel as if awareness of the battle field is a lot stronger. You can make up for the weaknesses of M&K with practice and smart decision making, which I feel does make the game a lot more enjoyable. When you can't just rely on a precision weapon to get you a kill, it forces you to be creative.
Namely, ever since I took in M&K, I've used 'nades far more often, and been way more rational with what I do, because chances are in a 1v1 encounter I'm going to lose to an enemy who is jumping around like 75% of the time. Coming back to controller has been difficult, simply because it all feels so fixated and slow. When you're fighting against a good player who has just as much awareness of the battle, though, that AA can make all the difference.
Nick, your battle tactics were I think holding you back, you ran in too much without letting him make the first mistake. Good video though!
I play controller because of muscle memory and because I don’t know how to use keyboard and mouse
And i play keyboard and mouse because i dont know how to use controller lol.
This is a lovely vid Nick
What was the PC FPS you playing a lot before Halo? I feel like most modern FPS games dont train you for Halo very well. Games such as Siege, CSGO, and Battlefield are all about quick reflect target acquisition and not about tracking your opponent. 1v1 DMR fighting with no cover isnt that common in a TS game, probably about 2-3 kills come down to it.
Personally I think the kbm has an advantage overall. But its probably about the same. Certainly 343 shouldnt change much until they have better info.
FYI, the aim assist is exactly the same as in the xbox.
Play on both first and see how you do. You WILL find controller is insanely easy this is coming from someone who's played on a m&k for years
@@BikeTrial1995 it wouldn't be a very good experiment considering I've got much more experience with controller. You may have experience with FPS games, but halo isnt like many pc FPS games. You don't strafe well, you pro ably don't hold aim on someone well. The closest thing is something like quake, which very few people play these days.. So your practice isn't translating very much.
I have a unique experience in that I played reach on the 360 to this very day, therefore I can compare. My opponents seem harder when I play on PC, or about the same, it should be the other way around considering reach is a very old game on 360 and the only people playing it are very experienced and top level.
I played fortnite and then a few months of overwatch before this. That mcree practice on ow is the reason I win my dmr fights on K&m
I played fortnite and then a few months of overwatch before this. That mcree practice on ow is the reason I win my dmr fights on K&m
@@g00nsanta94 I havent played those games much so you'll have to fill me in. Are you saying they trained you better for halo? and you're doing well?
organise a big team battle one team controller one team keyboard, then we'll have a real conclusion on it.
Bennie Boi Skill gap is still possible so 1v1 is better
I love UberNick, but for this, I have to side with controller.
Michael Carey same controller gang
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@@amartinez97 You can't because they have aim assist.
What the heck was that cloning thing?! Or illusion as you said lol.
Im with the controller guy cuz I play on xbox
Murderbest im with a controller on pc and xbox lol
Same
I will never play halo with KBM because I played halo with the controller my whole life in gaming. I even use it on my pc if I want to play halo because my bro has the xbox.
There isn't that much bloom compared to OG Reach on the 360.
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In a couple of cases during the last match it definitely seems like aim assist gave an advantage but nonetheless it IS really needed for a leveled playing field. Looking at the score and the last game as a whole i’d say it’s the only way that controllers would be competitive against keyboard and mouse.
By giving aimbot to them? I have played on both controller and mouse and its bullshit how much aim assist there is. Once you drag the reticle near their head it basically does all the work and you just need to press right trigger a few times. I almost never win any DMR fights with mouse but I nearly win everyone with a controller. I have been using KB/M everyday for 8 years now.
343 shouldn’t try to make an even playing field. Not because we don’t want it, but because it’s an impossible goal. One will always be better than the other. If they’re gonna make one superior, it should be M/K since it’s on PC.
I'll end the controversy with this. It's up to the individual players skill. Controller doesn't make you good, the KB&Mouse players whining can plug in a controller and start owning if it's that simple. Oh wait...
I literally did this yesterday and you are 100% wrong. I have been playing Halo since CE released and have since migrated to kbm the last few years and the amount of aim assist is intolerable in competitive modes. No exaggeration the game basically aims for you at mid to close range. You can say I'm lying all you want but frankly I don't give a shit as I can play on either inputs but the controller needs to be nerfed to make the game fair.
Except I did plug in a controller and started owning. I have only a little controller experience but goddamn is it easy on Halo.
Never have I ever needed to aim so far off someone's head to still get a headshot. If you made a controller player use MnK they would struggle a lot more due to not being able to rely on software to partially aim for them. The added precision of mouse doesn't make it easier for beginners, it just raises the potential/skill ceiling.
@@rickygforce4217 Like i said, it all depends on the indivual. Every person is different. The KBnMouse users are hitting nasty clips already so idk why they're complaining.
@@CigEconomy So why not just stick with controller if you actually play better? Or did the aim assist pull not improve your win ratio or K/D ratio??
@@Valkrill Because I like to actually play the game instead of the game playing itself? Why do you like to basically play the game with cheat codes?
5:51 -That's not a feature, it's a bug that was fixed in the title updates.
Aidan Moore it is a feature
They should switch halfway through
this game is addictive
watching this was painful, its clear nick is not a PC man, seems new to mouse and keyboard, his shots are all over the place
That's what happens when pc kiddies get out of their comfort zone haha stay outta xbox lobbies and protect that kd haha
@@skettinbutter3635 I have well over a 2.0kd playing with mouse and keyboard in mixed lobbies. I honestly have no idea what you people are going in about. Controller has a high skill floor making it better for low to mid tier player also has a much lower skill ceiling.
@@LeviticusCornwalls he was missing so many shots
They should 1v1 console vs pc on halo 3
Silly question. Does controller get auto aim or none?
I would have tuned off wepon pickup it was he who had the sword was doing good
Jajaj your friend is fun you should have him more often
A good test, my bro is so good with a controller too, so I do believe there are good players who use controllers out there.
the controller user was obviously throwing on purpose
I Haven't watched the video yet but is aim assist really that op? i play on PC and i have no problems with it at all, i guess its just me then
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@@sjsjjf8feirbfjtjfjifofofof417 you're a fool
Yes, it's bad.
@@BlackstarFallen no i said he was a fool, not me
No, it isnt that bad
Hey how are you?
Is this really a fight?
with devs tearing their hairs out even with an aim assist library
19:03 Ok, how the fuck did you slide?? That's a wack glitch
i prefer not useing aimbot
First to put shots on target almost always wins.
It works in games. It works in real life.
This is why mouse is objectively superior to controller in fps games. A skilled mouse user will *always* be faster on the flick than a skilled controller user. Controller aim assist only makes up for the lack of tracking ability you have with a joystick. Tracking is not as important as flicking to target and getting first shot. Increasing sensitivity does increase flick speed, but at a severe cost of tracking accuracy. A mouse user can play with an extremely low dpi and still be *far* faster than a controller user, while having the tracking accuracy that ultra-low dpi provides. The faster pace the game, the more this logic holds true. Aim assist is not enough of a buffer to close the performance gap between the controller and the mouse.
It works differently in Reach. Controller players have the advantage of bullet magnetism which allows the bullet to curve towards players when they’re slightly off. This is disabled with M/K which means you have to be 100% precise with every shot you make (which is impossible with bloom).
TLDR: M/K players have to flick while controller players let the game do the work for them.
Am coming to your house right now by the way UberniCreep
Pc players love talkin shit on console players till they beat them with a controller
"because everybody hates them"
because people who use controllers think they're hot shit when aim assist and bullet magnetism does 50% of the work for them
seriously, it's boring as fuck trying to continue playing this game when every one of them has a controller aimbotting the fuck out of me, they're borderline unbeatable with mouse and keyboard
inb4 I'll get comments saying how I'm bad at aiming and/or how I'm ungrateful when the reality is that 343i didn't playtest this properly and too busy milking cash out of people with rose-tinted glasses
PC VS XBOX
Personally I play better on pc with controller
AC0LE - like every halo player even me lol
No shit the game has copious amounts of aim assist and magnetism
Was ist toxic pc fan
Was ist i play with a k&m but I’m not toxic like you
Was ist on a xbox maybe what a stupid person
I prefer M&KB but I wish I had controller's auto-aim.
It’s not auto aim look like your a new noob fan
@@nikiradio I have a controller, I know what the aim assist feels like. It is so strong it may as well be auto-aim.
I have been playing Halo since Halo CE first came out not that it even matters.
OutcastFox people complaining about aim assist are just people who are actually not good at the game im doing the same performance with k&m and and controller
@@nikiradio Saying "U bad" isn't a great "argument".
You have to admit that the only reason you are getting that performance out of a controller is because of the god aim assist otherwise you would be much better on k&m, that is my point. I don't want the aim assist removed because then controller users wouldn't be able to compete at all, being able to point at another player's body and then the system dragging the sight straight to the head is insane. The aim assist needs turned down and that is all. I shouldn't be beaten by a mediocre player just because they have aim assist, I want to only lose to people that are actually better at the game.
OutcastFox i always aim my self i never let the aim assist do it work
If you want to do a proper k&m vs controller using good players I volunteer to be the k&m. I suggest octagon since it's pure aim no other variables
Keep playing with people, better content
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I play with a controller on xbox and pc
Is this a 1v1 or a first date.
Both
This proves even more that controller has a massive advantage when comes to dmr he can just spam the trigger and not have to worry about bloom much at all and still hit shots. I think the bloom affecting controller players more or pc getting less base bloom could help even out the disbalance. A complete noob at Halo can beat a good player when having first shot in a dmr fight and it shouldn't be that way.
I feel like mouse and keyboard is popular but you can’t really prove everyone on pc just uses a mouse and keyboard like they could be using a controller and you wouldn’t even tell the difference you know what I mean pc is popular cause it’s free to play you only have to pay for the games unless there free games and pc there’s more options for the players like terms of graphics mods modding you can use any controller really if you find a way to make it work on your pc.
I'm love playing keyboard and mouse done it for years but I literally HAVE to use controller in Slayer matches because I don't even compete with the controller players. If your a controller player saying that mouse is more advantageous you are a twat and probably never actually tried playing with mouse.
How about people stop complaining about controller aim assist and acknowledge the issue rn in btb. DMR starts on every map, especially the anniversary maps, is absolute aids. High Noon is a perfect example and so is Ridgeline. I can’t walk five feet with out being lit up from across the map by a DMR. Where’s the AR/Magnum starts??? And where are the NON-dlc maps??? Like- it’s getting kinda old being spawnkilled by a DMR
The magnum is way more fun and less crossmappy than the DMR. That's why I still play Halo 5, the Magnum's actually good in that game
Rickygforce 421 I just want to spawn with something that isn’t the DMR lol
I can’t tell if your joking?!!! Keyboard and mouse is MUCH easier than controller
Mouse and kb is ofc way more precise thank controller. Imagine playing competitive csgo with a controller lol
@@slightlyamusedblackkidfrom9153 Except Reach has stupid amounts of aim assist(quite possibly the strongest I have ever seen) exclusive to controllers, making controller actually more effective than mouse.
It works differently with Reach. The game gravitates more towards controller players by giving them aim assist (which is fine), bullet magnetism, and reduces the ghosting issues M/K players have to deal with. I still prefer M/K since I’m garbage on controllers, but the fact that controller players can get away with being slightly off target because the bullets curve is kind of stupid.
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controller bloom is too fuckin op and unfair, they should patch this and reduce bloom make it equal to a mouse, if you want Bloom go play (MCC:Halo Reach) on console, ..using a controller on (PC-MCC:Halo Reach) is not the problem, the real problem is that the game rewards controllers Aim Assist and unrealistic BLOOM that makes bullets hit your target, while thowing aim and skill out of the window, while we mouse users are confined to a fuckin shitty crosshair reticle that works so poorly..... So to fight fire with Fire, i downloaded some special drivers, that make my mouse and keyboard be detected as a Xbox controller. I have it set up where my WASD keys are registered as the left analog ,mouse movement as the right analog, and mouse clicks as the RT and LT button, and so on....Im fucking bagging bodies and while im t-bagging noobs, always top 3 in every match...
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@@rainesubnaut5918 buy premium, dog this is youtube and 5 dollars is more than a freaking hulu subscription. Also seems like your new to youtube in general. I remember when people made content to MAKE CONTENT. Put us first If your asking for money. Also his hard work? You really think it's hard to record yourself playing a video game? His reward is having fun with his friend. His work 5 minutes of editing. Is that worth 6 advertisements? No it isnt. If this was a 250k viewed vid with a script and editing then yeah. This video is twitch stream quality at best. Do you really think this is his main income? With 7k views? It's called greed dude and it's annoying. Also I watched the whole video. Hes paid by TH-cam for minutes watched even without 5 to 6 ads that's income from those advertisements added on top of it. Liking and sharing and watching is doing my part. Which I did all 3. And watched all his mcc reach content. All of the same quality as this. If this was his main source of income I'd understand your argument and it isnt. Imagine I made a rap song put it on soundcloud then half way threw stopped it to ask you to follow me and share my song. Then towards the end a audio ad for audible started playing. This would be your first time hearing it how likely are you to support me and follow me and my career? Not likely at all. I use this song analogy because obviously he should make content for us first and because it's fun and then when he blows up he can over monetize and ask for subs.
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