Greenbeard: waiting to clear a swarm before doing anything that might cause another Greybeard: syncing mining and C4 on an egg mission to get the maximum possible number of swarms to spawn at the same time
my mining union love overlapping swarms because our founder is a greybearded gunner main who goes through 3-5 swarms at a time like it's a normal mission.
Also worth noting there's serious merit to pressing the button. You WILL be fighting both swarms either way. If you're seriously bleeding ammo dashing to the pod in both swarms leaves bugs from both swarms in the dust, primes the pod early for your exfil, and saves you a slow drawn out death of nitra starvation. Both options have a place, but clear your swarm if you're comfortable. I guess its sorta funny that way, if I'm comfortable im more inclined to send it and clear the bigger swarm, but if I'm uncomfortable sending it and ignoring the swarm is a pretty tempting option.
For sure, I made certain to mention that sometimes you DO just have to bite the bullet and hit it. Im mostly trying to remind people that overlapping when things are going alright isnt necessary and to save it for when your experience and judgement call for it. Also to ask the team haha
i always thought there was an upper limit of how many bugs can be in the cave at one time but i guess its a lot bigger than what can spawn in an overlap
There is, I think its 200 but I may be wrong, its somewhere around that though. Swarm overlaps just get you closer to that limit and can sometimes exceed it a bit but its still more bugs than youd be otherwise dealing with. That and it will spawn the bugs nearer to you rather than keeping the furthest ones out.
@@siirvend Last time I checked the maximum active bugs at one time is around 60 on Haz 5, which can be doubled by Haz 5+, if you look into the custom difficulty mod this number is probably written in the code for Haz 5 somewhere
@@BritOfADragby default it's like 60 big bugs and 60 small bugs. Swarmers and Nedocites have their own spawn limit separate from everything else so it's actually 120 in total by default.
I most commonly encountered Swarm Overlap during Egg Hunts when someone pops an egg either during a currently going swarm or two of my teammates pop two at the same time. Good to have you back Siirvend.
Geological Survey and Supervision here. I personally have issued 500 post-mission subsurface scans and Operations has never used a single one to help aim the drop pods. I think they only order them in order to make sure they aren't dropping near a hive so they don't get their precious drills gunked up. Slackers.
The amount of times I've seen dwarves extracting with empty magazines and missing limbs because some green-bearded leaf lover ignored Mission Control's warning and activated a seismic light show larger than the Lunar New Year fireworks makes me wonder why Management keeps refusing to put more funds into employee training. Thank Karl they learn quick, the ones that don't usually end up earning a place in Memorial Hall.
You can make the best and perfect training video that even a baby dwarf would understand, but those won't matter if it goes one ear and out the other. Or said green-beard is an imposter and needs to be put down after you leave them deep below Hoxxes 4.
You didnt address the elephant in the room, The Driller. If the team has a competent driller, then just hit the button, and follow the driller as they dig a tunnel to freedom. Pop out at the drop pod and fend off the horde until door opens. Thats where gunner shield comes in handy
Oh for sure, I'm just talking in a general sense because I've been on plenty of missions without a driller too, or even with a driller who decides not to do that for some reason.
Oddly I had an opposite of this situation occur for me once. I was doing a solo Point Extraction on Difficulty 3, it was a double hazard mission with Mactera Plague and Exploder Infestation and the mission was going on too long (10 gems plus a random Dreadnought attack) so the hoards were getting pretty intense. Another swarm was alerted and I didn't want to call another re-supply so I decided to just shove the last gems in and hit the button. Then for some reason once I cleared the current bugs and the mineral pod hit orbit... nothing else spawned beyond a few Mactera and a goo bomber, legit a minute or so of quiet while I waited for my ride back. Normally the wait is the worst part, but legit first (and possibly only) time I just walked up to the pod with nothing trailing me.
@@siirvend Yeah, I'm a pack rat so I normally end up near the 30 minute constantly, not used to easy extractions. I assume it had to do something with the double hazards, but I'm not sure.
@@Surkk2960My best guess is a combinations of a swarm happened (on top of a random boss swarm) so you got some breathing room on top of it being a Haz3 PE mission.
I’d like to at least see some discussion involving the OMEN specifically, as unlike other machine events the OMEN has its own attacks, with no swarms. Therefore, it is possible to accidentally time a swarm with the press of the button. I’ve got an engrained habit (despite not playing the game for a long while) to start the OMEN when the third swarm message appears (where the wave is done spawning). I do think that the OMEN tower should at least damage and target bugs as equally as dwarves, considering that’s what the original programming was for. That way, any accidental activations during swarms won’t have a high risk of mission failure.
Feels like that calling the pod to skip swarm is mostly due to it actually working with Doretta. So people are making the false assumption that if it works with Doretta then it works with the Mule.
a specific example would be point extraction when the swarms get more frequent over time. its always best to go for the arquarqs first, get them in, dont press the button, and continue to the side objectives. having the button available means that if things get a bit too crowded you can always leave the other side objectives behind
It's important to remember: the bugs are more coordinated than you'd first assume, and they can get annoyed by a tremor a freakish distance away. Additionally, remember that underground, the positions of their roving, burrowing numbers can exist in three dimensions! They're hyperagressive, colonial predators - even if they're not particularly hungry, they will *always* diverge to examine any potential prey. Even if they don't devour victims right away, they'll drag bodies away to hidden little alcoves and store them for later, or as a sort of... way of "sharing" should a hungry pack pass by a few hours later. You might have scavenged some old gear from less-fortunate colleagues from these hidden pockets, even. To them, any unfamiliar tremors, scent or sound is worth redirecting their course towards - Hoxxes is as hostile and unforgiving to its own fauna as it is to us, after all. And the bugs don't have any Abyss Bar or Worker's Rights to take the edge off, either! There's *always something* lurking in the walls down there - Dwarves aren't iconically quiet or stealthy folk, but it's wise to plan around any racket all the (cheap-as-free) machinery is going to make. The priority of their design isn't to be quiet, either - it's for them to be easily manufactured, serviced, and functional after being strapped to a drillbit and fired from orbit. Hit those switches accordingly, and remember that 50% of MC's job is to tell you if you've antagonized a swarm as *soon* as they can confirm the readings. These caves may be DRG property, but they belong to the bugs just as much. They'll always know exactly when some machine roars to life, or if a cave gets saturated with enough Dwarf BO. It's not like seeing two freighters crash: two or more swarms at once has never once resulted in any infighting amongst the creepy-crawlies. It takes a lot more than that to confuse the blind (and nearly-blind) critters to turn on each other... (Oh my god, you're back again! Always a treat to hear from you, as much as it is to inhabit your comment sections. Very interested to hear what you have to say in detail about the moments most worthy of flipping on a cassette of DRG's best tunes.)
I can agree with all of that, the science team backs those findings up too. Im excited to share more of what they've been uncovering during our time in Hoxxian orbit. (Also thanks, its good to be back!)
On another note, it used to be that certain events just "stop" spawning of enemies (boss spawn, droppod) , ages ago. this belief stuck with graybeards and because they got good at the game, the final swarm doesnt seem hard even if they immediately call the pod.
Definitely agree about Greybeards. They tend to be able to handle the maxed out swarms which can make it frustrating for teammates who aren't at that level of proficiency. And yeah, certain events do actually stop swarm spawns which definitely adds to this confusion. That's the plan later on, to clarify and categorize these differences so people know.
One of the scariest situations to be in is a long going point extraction where the swarms start getting so big that you cant clear one before the next begins. It was the only time ive ever been pushed off of my friends corpse while trying to revive him due to the massive number of bugs around him taking up space.
Before i watch the video ima just say this; I feel like triggering 2 egg swarms if you can manage it would be a 1.5x size swarm depending in the enemies spawned and the enemy cap, but i assume im gonna be proven wrong. If im low ammo i generally tend to hit the button to gtfo as i tend to make sure we always have 1 or 2 status effect nades like shredders or pheromones so we can kite for the duration of molly strutting her stuff. If i know my build is good and i trust my teammate i dont mind popping two swarms at once, feedback loop - bio reactor does wonders x3 Overlapping during events is AWFUL and shouldnt ever be done. Altho i do sometimes pop pickaxe overcharge events during the escape sequence cuz i forgor :> Also i finished the video in the time i wrote this
Interesting, I seem to have the same sentiment (doubled swarm is objectively worse, fight one swarm at a time where possible, saving a few seconds or minutes is not worth risking the entire mission) yet in 'normal operating conditions' will often end up approving of pushing the button as a swarm spawns. I wonder if that's pure hubris, or if it's more that, in 'normal operating conditions', I feel my team can more than take on a swarm and therefore more than a swarm is an acceptable risk. Or of course, the out-of-universe explanation that a more daring escape is more fun to play
If your whole team is on board and coordinated its very doable to rush through and get to the pod, Ive done it plenty of times too. It complicates things though when you arent communicated and leaving teammates behind or starting things before people have a moment to grab supply or what not. I think it really comes down to the circumstances at the end of the day but this video is more of a "this is ideally what you should do if you want to live" sort of thing.
Always remember the R policy. When starting an objective that will draw in swarms or extracting, always ask the team if they are ready to go. Ether by asking with voice or just by typing, r? In the comms. The team will respond back with R when they are ready. Most miners know and use this system. It's effective and simple.
i do speedrunning with mostly a coordinated friend group, we sometimes get bored at the amount of bugs so we intentionally release many swarms at once to make things interesting. then we hit a wall in the form of the enemy cap that despawns bugs if there are too many on the map
Key here is your group is coordinated and aware of the increased spike in bug population. No problem there as long as youre making it. A typical team of random has a much harder time so I'm much more talking about this in regards to them, based on my experiences playing with randoms.
I usually press the button even if there’s a swarm coming, can add a fun challenge, or I know we’ll be safe if we take a shortcut to the drop pod driller style
I’ve noticed of escort duty mission if a swarm is coming while refueling and you move the drill the two swarms will interlap in a weird way you should check it out , move the drill dozer the second a swarm stops and it will be halted then start again with the second swarm that starts when the drill starts moving
Now Im remembering that time I was in a lobby with 3 other bored scouts and we decided to pop all 8 eggs in quick succession and see what happens. It did not go well, but boy was it funny
Oh thats from the Massive Content Revise mod, I just now put the link in the video description if youre curious. It has a whole new section for the Space Rig with part of it being a cafeteria and whole lot of other fun stuff outside of the huge changes to gameplay.
I'm in your camp actually! I just want people to know it's a nuanced decision most of the time and when you're with randoms of varying skill levels it's best to do things cleanly.
I would love an in-depth explanation of what happens when 2 dwarfs pull 2 swarm eggs at the same time. I try to avoid this, but when it happens everything typically goes very poorly.
If you want a short version before the video: every egg will call a mini swarm and all eggs have a chance to call an announced dwarm. 4 eggs have 1 chance, 6 eggs have 2 and 8 eggs have 3 possible large swarms. They can all overlap with eachother and ambient spawns so it can get out of hand fast.
I don’t have a way to test this more Thoroughly, but I think there is one way to actually cancel a swarm. Anytime I successfully refuel Doretta, but not start her back up. The swarm is gone. No music, no more bugs. If you can look into this further, I lack the resources to do it myself.
I usually thought people do this cause escaping to the drop pod is the main focus than combat, which definitely an easy thing to do for Scout and Driller, even Gunner to an extent with his shield. It honestly screws over Engineer though. But I didn't know it was also done on a misconception. Glad you're putting the word out on this though.
Yeah, its just a bit of push back ai wanted to put out against selfish playstyles that kinda make things hard for people who aren't in board with unnecessarily chaotic gameplay. I'm personally all for reasonable amounts of chaos when I know my team can handle it but it's just mean to force people to be left behind and frustrated in the name of expediency you know?
@@siirvend Definitely, I can deal with situations like those since I have enough experience to adapt and I usually play in other's lobbies which means it totally was their fault for causing that and failing, not mine lol. But forcing others in a playstyle that's more hardcore where they can't keep up probably does more harm to Greenbeards than a case of friendly fire.
I tend to get this in the Glacial Strata whilst doing Point Extraction missions. The swarms just dont stop & its not related to collecting the Aquarqs either.
The swarms of enemies on Point Extractions (random or actual) is a part of that mission. It's telling you to finish it as quickly as you can or be overwhelmed (mostly noticeable past the 25min mission time on Haz 4 and above) by the swarms.
As the other commenter Saud, PE swarms get worse over time and cap out around the 15 minute mark. The longer you take the harder it is to clear bugs at all and when you pod get called you get even more frequent spawns so it can get FUBAR fast!
Meanwhile, I'm on 4 player scaling at all times solo. If I cant hold my teams burden solo then I ain't cut out to make Karl proud (love your music mod btw)
My main problem with escapes is the 1 or 2 guys running ahead, then waiting at the closed drop pod. There is no point in outrunning Molly, and when the last in line goes down you have to run all the way back. Even better if the last dwarf is still doing a crate, sideobjectiv or carrying a lump of gold because someone called too early. Even even better when they are trying to get out of a hole or other difficult terrain while not being scout or driller, and those who ran off waited at the top for someone else to do the mission.
That's why it is polite to ask if everyone is ready before calling for extract or unless the room creator initiated it themselves cause they need to go to the bathroom or something.
@@bl00dm0urne I am only talking about how the extraction is done. We usually stand around molly waiting for someone else to push it. People run off and outrun molly and the team when the pod lands. Thats my problem.
As for the double end of mission swarm, I always thought that it was actually two swarms, I just liked the challenge. If I was with a group of greenbeards, I wouldn't do it, but solo or with so fellow greys, we double down. More bugs means more dead bugs, the only good kind there are (aside from Steve)
Great video, some ideas; Sometimes cave generation is a bit extreme, in the sense of variation; one mission there is an infuriating combo of exploders and stingtails, the latter pulling you into the former, nitra concentrated in the part of the cave where you haven't been, and teammates who aren't as vigilant as you would like. The next mission has greybeards all around you, 3 nitra veins in the spawn alone and a few bulk detonators, who get bullied by scout's single target Dot stack built. Swarm overlap is usually caused by me in the latter cases, to make things interesting, (after asking of course,) the few shaved-off minutes are just a nice side effect. Another thing is Driller. If he does the right thing at the right time, during extraction, the mission becomes very hard to lose, regardless of most enemies. The typical drill-extraction is close to a moving bunker, and placing a terrain-hazard before drilling, for example coating the will-be-digsite in sticky flame, goo or a neurotoxin grenade will secure the retreat against unlimited grunts, leaving behind other, tankier threats. Exceptions exist, oppressors in particular need constant drilling to escape from, but positioning and massive numbers can be negated. This is more of a last resort than usual gameplan, it drains drill-fuel and can be quite simple and one-sided, either you die in the mole-hole you dug yourself, or you crush any bug that's fast while digging away form everything else.
The logical response to this abomination of a comment is suggesting to make your own youtube video, i know. Or telling me that that's what the other parts are for, i know too, yet here i monologue. Dear god, you're still reading this? How hard to bore are you? ;)
A great example of how there's no one fool proof strategy for succeeding in these situations. It's more about knowing what tools you have access to and using the right one at the right time.
This is not me trying to be high and might or saying "git gud", but I in my 1000 hrs of playing this game have never seen a team fail in the exfiltration phase of things. Pressing the button during a swarm, therefore, is simply an easy time saver. It can even make things easier since fighting no longer matters and we can feel good about leaving bugs behind us. Dwarves are faster than almost all bugs outside of Haz 5+. Interesting take.
Ive had a different experience on more than one occasion. Its mostly when someone calls the pod in the dead center of another chaotic situation, even worse when it happens during a particularly bad warning mission like Shield Disruption or Swarmageddon. The other factor that has doomed the team before is when the terrain for returning is particularly weird and we dont have an easy out with a driller. On a typical mission with the normal amount of bugs it is totally doable but its still a bit rude to call things when the team isnt ready and on board for it. Its more of a teamwork/good practice thing, especially when considering all skill levels.
And then there's me overlapping multiple swarms with by popping all the eggs because I decided it would be funny. I'm glad Haz 5+ came out before my artifical difficulty increase annoyed too many people
Sometimes the bugs are dumb I was on a mission Sabatoge we split up into 2 teams for 2. Me and the Mole went to one wire with Fox and Baracuta to the other. We both called in a hackingpod (magament was NOT happy they had to send 2 intend of reusing one.) and started them up at the same time and nothing at lest on my end the only thing coming was the bucket of bolts the bugs all went to Fox and Baracuta.
Yeah I think it has to do with the bugs choosing a single player to spawn om per group. Sometimes they just happen to choose one group twice or three times in a row and leave the other group alone.
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@@siirvend make it clap!
@@siirvend (muffled noise from the wall) we are rich!
Greenbeard: waiting to clear a swarm before doing anything that might cause another
Greybeard: syncing mining and C4 on an egg mission to get the maximum possible number of swarms to spawn at the same time
Greybeards are so good at their job that they keep trying to make it harder out of boredom
oh look a triple dreadnought mission, lemme pop all 3 at once
my mining union love overlapping swarms because our founder is a greybearded gunner main who goes through 3-5 swarms at a time like it's a normal mission.
Also worth noting there's serious merit to pressing the button. You WILL be fighting both swarms either way. If you're seriously bleeding ammo dashing to the pod in both swarms leaves bugs from both swarms in the dust, primes the pod early for your exfil, and saves you a slow drawn out death of nitra starvation. Both options have a place, but clear your swarm if you're comfortable. I guess its sorta funny that way, if I'm comfortable im more inclined to send it and clear the bigger swarm, but if I'm uncomfortable sending it and ignoring the swarm is a pretty tempting option.
For sure, I made certain to mention that sometimes you DO just have to bite the bullet and hit it. Im mostly trying to remind people that overlapping when things are going alright isnt necessary and to save it for when your experience and judgement call for it. Also to ask the team haha
@siirvend For sure lol
i always thought there was an upper limit of how many bugs can be in the cave at one time
but i guess its a lot bigger than what can spawn in an overlap
There is, I think its 200 but I may be wrong, its somewhere around that though. Swarm overlaps just get you closer to that limit and can sometimes exceed it a bit but its still more bugs than youd be otherwise dealing with. That and it will spawn the bugs nearer to you rather than keeping the furthest ones out.
@@siirvend Last time I checked the maximum active bugs at one time is around 60 on Haz 5, which can be doubled by Haz 5+, if you look into the custom difficulty mod this number is probably written in the code for Haz 5 somewhere
@@BritOfADragby default it's like 60 big bugs and 60 small bugs. Swarmers and Nedocites have their own spawn limit separate from everything else so it's actually 120 in total by default.
I stand corrected. Maybe I was thinking total? Not sure where I got that number lol
@siirvend 200 is the recommended spawn limit starship troopers gives, iirc.
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Hahaha loved the "steamed hams" parody. Well done.
I most commonly encountered Swarm Overlap during Egg Hunts when someone pops an egg either during a currently going swarm or two of my teammates pop two at the same time. Good to have you back Siirvend.
Same here, and for that reason Egg Missions are getting their own video since that can be such a problem. Also thanks!
If we could coordinate properly, we would pull out all 4 eggs at the same time!
@@praimus1413 The point is to limit swarm to one at time! To get out with the goods. Speed does not improve gold or xp. Leave no Dwarf behind.
@@Jawmax more bugs = more fun
@@Jawmax You're right it doesn't, unfortunately we get paid by the job, not by the hour.
Did not expect a whole DRG-themed recreation of the steamed hams skit.
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Geological Survey and Supervision here. I personally have issued 500 post-mission subsurface scans and Operations has never used a single one to help aim the drop pods. I think they only order them in order to make sure they aren't dropping near a hive so they don't get their precious drills gunked up. Slackers.
Swarm overlap happens, though I find it more commonly happens during haz 5 missions. Or at the very least it seems more noticeable.
Yeah, on 5s it can easily approach the spawn cap and you REALLY feel it when you're not prepared for it
The amount of times I've seen dwarves extracting with empty magazines and missing limbs because some green-bearded leaf lover ignored Mission Control's warning and activated a seismic light show larger than the Lunar New Year fireworks makes me wonder why Management keeps refusing to put more funds into employee training. Thank Karl they learn quick, the ones that don't usually end up earning a place in Memorial Hall.
They really like the trial by fire style of training sadly.
You can make the best and perfect training video that even a baby dwarf would understand, but those won't matter if it goes one ear and out the other. Or said green-beard is an imposter and needs to be put down after you leave them deep below Hoxxes 4.
I was not expecting steamed hams but its Deep Rock Galactic. Very nice
You didnt address the elephant in the room, The Driller. If the team has a competent driller, then just hit the button, and follow the driller as they dig a tunnel to freedom. Pop out at the drop pod and fend off the horde until door opens. Thats where gunner shield comes in handy
Oh for sure, I'm just talking in a general sense because I've been on plenty of missions without a driller too, or even with a driller who decides not to do that for some reason.
love the little exchange at the end, looking forward to the other swarm behavior vids
i love the way it sounds like a real workplace training video
Oddly I had an opposite of this situation occur for me once.
I was doing a solo Point Extraction on Difficulty 3, it was a double hazard mission with Mactera Plague and Exploder Infestation and the mission was going on too long (10 gems plus a random Dreadnought attack) so the hoards were getting pretty intense. Another swarm was alerted and I didn't want to call another re-supply so I decided to just shove the last gems in and hit the button.
Then for some reason once I cleared the current bugs and the mineral pod hit orbit... nothing else spawned beyond a few Mactera and a goo bomber, legit a minute or so of quiet while I waited for my ride back. Normally the wait is the worst part, but legit first (and possibly only) time I just walked up to the pod with nothing trailing me.
Oh thats really weird! PE extractions are usually insane, especially if you've gotten to the 15 minute mark.
@@siirvend Yeah, I'm a pack rat so I normally end up near the 30 minute constantly, not used to easy extractions. I assume it had to do something with the double hazards, but I'm not sure.
@@Surkk2960My best guess is a combinations of a swarm happened (on top of a random boss swarm) so you got some breathing room on top of it being a Haz3 PE mission.
@@bl00dm0urne huh, interesting.
Glad to see you back
I call them double swarms
Yup, either that or I announce that we're overlapping if I can spare the words
I’d like to at least see some discussion involving the OMEN specifically, as unlike other machine events the OMEN has its own attacks, with no swarms.
Therefore, it is possible to accidentally time a swarm with the press of the button. I’ve got an engrained habit (despite not playing the game for a long while) to start the OMEN when the third swarm message appears (where the wave is done spawning).
I do think that the OMEN tower should at least damage and target bugs as equally as dwarves, considering that’s what the original programming was for. That way, any accidental activations during swarms won’t have a high risk of mission failure.
I always try to time OMENs for the minute after a swarm has ended for that reason alone. Those and every other activated event.
Feels like that calling the pod to skip swarm is mostly due to it actually working with Doretta. So people are making the false assumption that if it works with Doretta then it works with the Mule.
That's a very good point, I plan to talk about that in the escort video.
There is some sort of fun that I get from desperately realizing we're outnumbered and having to run away.
a specific example would be point extraction when the swarms get more frequent over time. its always best to go for the arquarqs first, get them in, dont press the button, and continue to the side objectives. having the button available means that if things get a bit too crowded you can always leave the other side objectives behind
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It's important to remember: the bugs are more coordinated than you'd first assume, and they can get annoyed by a tremor a freakish distance away. Additionally, remember that underground, the positions of their roving, burrowing numbers can exist in three dimensions! They're hyperagressive, colonial predators - even if they're not particularly hungry, they will *always* diverge to examine any potential prey. Even if they don't devour victims right away, they'll drag bodies away to hidden little alcoves and store them for later, or as a sort of... way of "sharing" should a hungry pack pass by a few hours later. You might have scavenged some old gear from less-fortunate colleagues from these hidden pockets, even. To them, any unfamiliar tremors, scent or sound is worth redirecting their course towards - Hoxxes is as hostile and unforgiving to its own fauna as it is to us, after all. And the bugs don't have any Abyss Bar or Worker's Rights to take the edge off, either!
There's *always something* lurking in the walls down there - Dwarves aren't iconically quiet or stealthy folk, but it's wise to plan around any racket all the (cheap-as-free) machinery is going to make. The priority of their design isn't to be quiet, either - it's for them to be easily manufactured, serviced, and functional after being strapped to a drillbit and fired from orbit. Hit those switches accordingly, and remember that 50% of MC's job is to tell you if you've antagonized a swarm as *soon* as they can confirm the readings. These caves may be DRG property, but they belong to the bugs just as much. They'll always know exactly when some machine roars to life, or if a cave gets saturated with enough Dwarf BO. It's not like seeing two freighters crash: two or more swarms at once has never once resulted in any infighting amongst the creepy-crawlies. It takes a lot more than that to confuse the blind (and nearly-blind) critters to turn on each other...
(Oh my god, you're back again! Always a treat to hear from you, as much as it is to inhabit your comment sections. Very interested to hear what you have to say in detail about the moments most worthy of flipping on a cassette of DRG's best tunes.)
I can agree with all of that, the science team backs those findings up too. Im excited to share more of what they've been uncovering during our time in Hoxxian orbit.
(Also thanks, its good to be back!)
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On another note, it used to be that certain events just "stop" spawning of enemies (boss spawn, droppod) , ages ago. this belief stuck with graybeards and because they got good at the game, the final swarm doesnt seem hard even if they immediately call the pod.
Definitely agree about Greybeards. They tend to be able to handle the maxed out swarms which can make it frustrating for teammates who aren't at that level of proficiency. And yeah, certain events do actually stop swarm spawns which definitely adds to this confusion. That's the plan later on, to clarify and categorize these differences so people know.
This is some high-quality content. How has TH-cam never recommended you to me before?
The Steamed Hams bit at the end was golden.
Beauty shines in a new year
One of the scariest situations to be in is a long going point extraction where the swarms start getting so big that you cant clear one before the next begins.
It was the only time ive ever been pushed off of my friends corpse while trying to revive him due to the massive number of bugs around him taking up space.
Yuuuup PE missions are a good example of swarms so oppressive you can be forced to compromise safety over "oh shit we need to get out of here"
I wasnt ready for that ending
The steamed hams reference will never not be funny~ xD
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I’m too busy crushing terminids to worry about…
Sorry still on the helldivers grindset
Im legit level 150 in Helldivers 2. I understand all too well.
@@siirvend wait how did the beer catch on fire?
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Dwarven beer ingredients are uhh... volatile to say the least of it.
That "aged oak" gag was awesome.
Before i watch the video ima just say this;
I feel like triggering 2 egg swarms if you can manage it would be a 1.5x size swarm depending in the enemies spawned and the enemy cap, but i assume im gonna be proven wrong.
If im low ammo i generally tend to hit the button to gtfo as i tend to make sure we always have 1 or 2 status effect nades like shredders or pheromones so we can kite for the duration of molly strutting her stuff.
If i know my build is good and i trust my teammate i dont mind popping two swarms at once, feedback loop - bio reactor does wonders x3
Overlapping during events is AWFUL and shouldnt ever be done.
Altho i do sometimes pop pickaxe overcharge events during the escape sequence cuz i forgor :>
Also i finished the video in the time i wrote this
Interesting, I seem to have the same sentiment (doubled swarm is objectively worse, fight one swarm at a time where possible, saving a few seconds or minutes is not worth risking the entire mission) yet in 'normal operating conditions' will often end up approving of pushing the button as a swarm spawns. I wonder if that's pure hubris, or if it's more that, in 'normal operating conditions', I feel my team can more than take on a swarm and therefore more than a swarm is an acceptable risk. Or of course, the out-of-universe explanation that a more daring escape is more fun to play
If your whole team is on board and coordinated its very doable to rush through and get to the pod, Ive done it plenty of times too. It complicates things though when you arent communicated and leaving teammates behind or starting things before people have a moment to grab supply or what not. I think it really comes down to the circumstances at the end of the day but this video is more of a "this is ideally what you should do if you want to live" sort of thing.
Always remember the R policy.
When starting an objective that will draw in swarms or extracting, always ask the team if they are ready to go. Ether by asking with voice or just by typing, r? In the comms.
The team will respond back with R when they are ready.
Most miners know and use this system. It's effective and simple.
Exactly, you can never go wrong asking.
i do speedrunning with mostly a coordinated friend group, we sometimes get bored at the amount of bugs so we intentionally release many swarms at once to make things interesting. then we hit a wall in the form of the enemy cap that despawns bugs if there are too many on the map
Leaflover. Pointy eared one as well.
@Pepsicolatruefan you will be my ass cushion
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Key here is your group is coordinated and aware of the increased spike in bug population. No problem there as long as youre making it. A typical team of random has a much harder time so I'm much more talking about this in regards to them, based on my experiences playing with randoms.
I usually press the button even if there’s a swarm coming, can add a fun challenge, or I know we’ll be safe if we take a shortcut to the drop pod driller style
That steamed hams gag at the end was hilarious
You can really feel this mechanic in Solo play
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Thank you!
I’ve noticed of escort duty mission if a swarm is coming while refueling and you move the drill the two swarms will interlap in a weird way you should check it out , move the drill dozer the second a swarm stops and it will be halted then start again with the second swarm that starts when the drill starts moving
Yup, one of the notable times where rushing the objective does actually cancel the swarm.
Now Im remembering that time I was in a lobby with 3 other bored scouts and we decided to pop all 8 eggs in quick succession and see what happens.
It did not go well, but boy was it funny
Hilarious and chaotic I imagine lol
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Yup, back and on the rig (and the Elmo currently as well!)
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Aaayyy, a new transmition!
Danggg your back! Glad to see your still around :3
Damn, I waited for your video so bad
Rock and Stone!
Whats this room at 1:50 and where is it?
Oh thats from the Massive Content Revise mod, I just now put the link in the video description if youre curious. It has a whole new section for the Space Rig with part of it being a cafeteria and whole lot of other fun stuff outside of the huge changes to gameplay.
Rock and Stone! Im glad I round you, I love this game. Do you have any plans of making a Player Movement guide, or know of anyone who does?
Yes! That and maybe even a CQC guide too
Hey, is your mission control voiceline mod updated for s5?
I know I already answered you in the Discord but yes!
I hear what your saying sir, but have you considered some of us dwarves overlap swarms on purpose? the more bugs the better
I'm in your camp actually! I just want people to know it's a nuanced decision most of the time and when you're with randoms of varying skill levels it's best to do things cleanly.
Ive found that pressing the button to get doretta moving again when refueling durring escort does cancel the swarm
That is one of the exceptions yeah, I'm gonna talk about those later so people know when and where to do that.
I would love an in-depth explanation of what happens when 2 dwarfs pull 2 swarm eggs at the same time. I try to avoid this, but when it happens everything typically goes very poorly.
If you want a short version before the video: every egg will call a mini swarm and all eggs have a chance to call an announced dwarm. 4 eggs have 1 chance, 6 eggs have 2 and 8 eggs have 3 possible large swarms. They can all overlap with eachother and ambient spawns so it can get out of hand fast.
delightfully devilish siirvend
...myeeees
I blame Left 4 Dead for training me to hit the button when a swarm starts.
That's fair haha
I thought this was helldivers for a sec lmao. Rock and Stone!
Oh really?
I don’t have a way to test this more
Thoroughly, but I think there is one way to actually cancel a swarm. Anytime I successfully refuel Doretta, but not start her back up. The swarm is gone. No music, no more bugs. If you can look into this further, I lack the resources to do it myself.
That does work, very much confirmed. Probably a large source of the confusion on other swarm types.
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And a rock and stone to you as well my good dwarf
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I usually thought people do this cause escaping to the drop pod is the main focus than combat, which definitely an easy thing to do for Scout and Driller, even Gunner to an extent with his shield. It honestly screws over Engineer though. But I didn't know it was also done on a misconception. Glad you're putting the word out on this though.
Yeah, its just a bit of push back ai wanted to put out against selfish playstyles that kinda make things hard for people who aren't in board with unnecessarily chaotic gameplay. I'm personally all for reasonable amounts of chaos when I know my team can handle it but it's just mean to force people to be left behind and frustrated in the name of expediency you know?
@@siirvend Definitely, I can deal with situations like those since I have enough experience to adapt and I usually play in other's lobbies which means it totally was their fault for causing that and failing, not mine lol. But forcing others in a playstyle that's more hardcore where they can't keep up probably does more harm to Greenbeards than a case of friendly fire.
*squint*
I could be wrong, but I could've sworn that guy sprinting around at 1:14 is a modded Necramech from Warframe
I was solo though!
I tend to get this in the Glacial Strata whilst doing Point Extraction missions. The swarms just dont stop & its not related to collecting the Aquarqs either.
The swarms of enemies on Point Extractions (random or actual) is a part of that mission. It's telling you to finish it as quickly as you can or be overwhelmed (mostly noticeable past the 25min mission time on Haz 4 and above) by the swarms.
As the other commenter Saud, PE swarms get worse over time and cap out around the 15 minute mark. The longer you take the harder it is to clear bugs at all and when you pod get called you get even more frequent spawns so it can get FUBAR fast!
its "Dig together, or dig your own grave"
the background music is good
wake up dwarfs new siirvend upload
me yesterday: Geez I sure hope Siirvend uploads a video
me today: 😮😮😮
Meanwhile, I'm on 4 player scaling at all times solo. If I cant hold my teams burden solo then I ain't cut out to make Karl proud (love your music mod btw)
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Is that what I think it is? A new DRG video? God, it's been so long.
My main problem with escapes is the 1 or 2 guys running ahead, then waiting at the closed drop pod.
There is no point in outrunning Molly, and when the last in line goes down you have to run all the way back.
Even better if the last dwarf is still doing a crate, sideobjectiv or carrying a lump of gold because someone called too early.
Even even better when they are trying to get out of a hole or other difficult terrain while not being scout or driller, and those who ran off waited at the top for someone else to do the mission.
Right? It's just rude to start it when there's chaos all around you if you are able to just wait and clear things first.
That's why it is polite to ask if everyone is ready before calling for extract or unless the room creator initiated it themselves cause they need to go to the bathroom or something.
@@bl00dm0urne I am only talking about how the extraction is done. We usually stand around molly waiting for someone else to push it.
People run off and outrun molly and the team when the pod lands. Thats my problem.
I am a simple man: I see Siirvend return after eight months, I piss myself in excitement.
It happens to the best of us
@@siirvend Don't worry, my Liege, it's an intimidation tactic against the glyphid scum. Now they know who this territory belongs to o7
As for the double end of mission swarm, I always thought that it was actually two swarms, I just liked the challenge. If I was with a group of greenbeards, I wouldn't do it, but solo or with so fellow greys, we double down. More bugs means more dead bugs, the only good kind there are (aside from Steve)
Exactly, its a choice you're usually able to make rather than one objectively good way of doing things or another
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Ok so only do this if you have a mostly unobstructed path to the DP or you have a driller with enough fuel for getting back.
Been a little while, eh? a Rock and also a Stone to your return!
Great video, some ideas;
Sometimes cave generation is a bit extreme, in the sense of variation; one mission there is an infuriating combo of exploders and stingtails, the latter pulling you into the former, nitra concentrated in the part of the cave where you haven't been, and teammates who aren't as vigilant as you would like.
The next mission has greybeards all around you, 3 nitra veins in the spawn alone and a few bulk detonators, who get bullied by scout's single target Dot stack built.
Swarm overlap is usually caused by me in the latter cases, to make things interesting, (after asking of course,) the few shaved-off minutes are just a nice side effect.
Another thing is Driller.
If he does the right thing at the right time, during extraction, the mission becomes very hard to lose, regardless of most enemies.
The typical drill-extraction is close to a moving bunker, and placing a terrain-hazard before drilling, for example coating the will-be-digsite in sticky flame, goo or a neurotoxin grenade will secure the retreat against unlimited grunts, leaving behind other, tankier threats.
Exceptions exist, oppressors in particular need constant drilling to escape from, but positioning and massive numbers can be negated.
This is more of a last resort than usual gameplan, it drains drill-fuel and can be quite simple and one-sided, either you die in the mole-hole you dug yourself, or you crush any bug that's fast while digging away form everything else.
The logical response to this abomination of a comment is suggesting to make your own youtube video, i know.
Or telling me that that's what the other parts are for, i know too, yet here i monologue.
Dear god, you're still reading this? How hard to bore are you? ;)
A great example of how there's no one fool proof strategy for succeeding in these situations. It's more about knowing what tools you have access to and using the right one at the right time.
I want myself some Aged Oak beer now…
The skit should be it's own seperate vid
I might make it a short later
Double Egg Swarm For the Fun
Never said it cant be fun when youre ready for it!
More bugs = more bugs grouping up = more AoE kills
Larger swarms are just more ammo efficient, simple as
I don't see the issue. My buddies and I always choose to evac with an incoming swarm simply to finish the mission faster.
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This is not me trying to be high and might or saying "git gud", but I in my 1000 hrs of playing this game have never seen a team fail in the exfiltration phase of things. Pressing the button during a swarm, therefore, is simply an easy time saver. It can even make things easier since fighting no longer matters and we can feel good about leaving bugs behind us. Dwarves are faster than almost all bugs outside of Haz 5+. Interesting take.
Ive had a different experience on more than one occasion. Its mostly when someone calls the pod in the dead center of another chaotic situation, even worse when it happens during a particularly bad warning mission like Shield Disruption or Swarmageddon. The other factor that has doomed the team before is when the terrain for returning is particularly weird and we dont have an easy out with a driller. On a typical mission with the normal amount of bugs it is totally doable but its still a bit rude to call things when the team isnt ready and on board for it. Its more of a teamwork/good practice thing, especially when considering all skill levels.
Lol the steamed ham
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Glad to be back!
And then there's me overlapping multiple swarms with by popping all the eggs because I decided it would be funny. I'm glad Haz 5+ came out before my artifical difficulty increase annoyed too many people
Always good fun when the team is game for it
Me a 9X2 player watching this
Sometimes the bugs are dumb I was on a mission Sabatoge we split up into 2 teams for 2. Me and the Mole went to one wire with Fox and Baracuta to the other. We both called in a hackingpod (magament was NOT happy they had to send 2 intend of reusing one.) and started them up at the same time and nothing at lest on my end the only thing coming was the bucket of bolts the bugs all went to Fox and Baracuta.
Yeah I think it has to do with the bugs choosing a single player to spawn om per group. Sometimes they just happen to choose one group twice or three times in a row and leave the other group alone.
Why do you have BetC in your room? Solely for professional practices yes? ,':/
I am definitely not hiding her because Ill get fired if management finds you, nooooope
hes back :D
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HE'S BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!
Me on a more bugs 2 modifier + haz 6 x 2 modded chinese lobby: Fuck it we ball (I was gunner with aggressive heat venting)
Aggressive venting with that level of swarm is finally fair fight lol
I like to overlap with the big red button just to make the exfil sequence more fun, lol... is something wrong with me?
Nope, you can handle it so as long as your team is game, go for it