It's not a bad angle for this movement. I'm a games judge and this is clear as day really bad reps. I promise you from the side they would have looked the same
@laurenmorreale2358 so what are you saying? So the judge should have no repd him? For what reps? Were they all bad? Are you saying the judge did a bad job?
@@drewarnold6741 yes exactly. Judge should have no repped him so he could adjust and he wouldn't be in this position. It's so easy to "feel bad" as a judge and just give the person the rep, but in this situation it's really doing them a disservice. Yes 90% of the reps (on the box) were bad. Yes the judge did a bad job.
The angle doesn’t help. I’m sure from Michelle’s pov they are great. But from this angle they don’t look great. And I can see how a harsh judge could no rep these.
Thanks for sharing the video! Would be super interesting to hear what the heck Pat got penalized for. In my view CF is heading in the wrong direction when someone that moves as well as Vellner gets scores deducted. The sport turns in to figure skating instead of finding out who is the fittest…
I believe it’s because of the requirement they added where you are not allowed to look down when doing step ups and must be looking forward. That is what HQ has penalized others for I believe. Definitely listen to Craig Richie’s and Sevan with Hiller’s latest videos noting the problems with the judging. Glad that Vellner is moving on but bummed for people like Paige Powers. HQ needs to fix this.
It brings on feelings watching football when the refs are making ticky tacky calls and it makes everyone watching start to cringe and enjoy the process less. This person is clearly doing steps up.
It’s definitely not the best angle for his box step ups. Wish he were directly 90degrees to camera rather than 45, but maybe HQ asked for that. I believe they don’t like that the shoulders are before hips a touch. Should be box step overs either way. Including Hard to judge movements with multiple/different judges makes zero sense if the goal is consistent judging / fairness of competition. PS Go Pat!!!🎉
I'm a huge fan of Vellner, but what i saw from that angle is that in some reps the left knee doesn't extend full, it stays a little bent, so I guess that's the reason CF HQ gave that penalty.
Step ups seem a little soft BUT nothing I would think should be penalized. By ‘soft’ I mean Pat isn’t exaggerating extension. Other than that, Pat never showed his cal on rower, which I THINK was required and why CF rules said you could have a mobile video recorder. Not sure if grabbing rower handle before start is allowed or not, but seems Pat did that too? Even if not stated in rules, Pat should not have tempted the situation given it has always been a rule. Overall, I suspect the penalty came on the rower.
Regardless of what everyone thinks of the reps and the application of rules / standards here, I feel like it wasn't that long ago that CrossFit coined the phrase "the athlete demonstrated the capacity to do the work". This seems a bit too far in the other direction so maybe we could find something in the middle that just right Goldilocks.
It really bothers me Pat was penalized so severely and that many others were too. This clearly shows that Crossfit is not doing a good job communicating the movement requirements to the athletes. Crossfit should be allowing a redo on this workout based on how severely this has affected all the athletes' seasons and careers.
penalty doesnt fit the crime right? .... i mean if he did it again and was super deliberate. maybe his score drops 8? this should have been a 5-10 percent penalty at most. its super frustrating that crossfit doesnt have this stuff in better order
@@laurenmorreale2358 You are right. I went and check the standard movement on the site. It clearly states the movement. Everyone is getting upset about the penalties the athletes should make sure to read and view the movement before sending the video. It doesn't hurt to double check.
@@KippingItRealcrossfit Exactly! The penalty doesn't fit the crime. They are strictly enforcing a standard on a movement that requires no skill or talent. And it's resulting in the elimination of many very skilled and talented athletes. Do we really want to see the best box steppers at the Games? If CrossFit suddenly wants to get strict on movement standards, why not look at the lockout on the ring muscle-ups or the shoulder and hip extension on the HSPU. This is just stupid.
@@Damian_Gillyou can do the research if you want, you have my name. It's not my job to prove anything to a random stranger on the Internet. My job was with the athletes and I did it well. none of my athletes got penalties.
@@laurenmorreale2358I’m sure none of your athletes got penalties due to the fact that there were thousands and thousands of people who’s videos were never even reviewed 😂
@laurenmorreale2358 Your name gets me nothing. Name one of your athletes that had potential to go to semis, otherwise it means nothing as their video wouldn't even be viewed. On another note, you're basically saying all the other crossfit games judges that judged these athletes can't do their jobs.. But hey, from one stranger to another, if you did a great job, more power to you! Judging should be strict, but should also be clear beyond doubt to everyone (certified).
Good on you for sharing the video and I bet they are hitting you when it comes to the box step ups, specifically knee and hip extension on some of the reps. Here is the thing about judging though, the judge needs to be more strict and not friendly with you because CF isn’t going to be. From what I’ve been hearing from Games athletes is that they want it to be more professional so if it’s just slightly not locked out that kinda is like a tennis ball on the line or a cleat hitting any white paint. Just putting thoughts out there, I hope it’s not received negatively, I’m a fan. Best of luck!
Pat does and always has moved exceptionally well. The particular judge or judges that viewed Pats and the other top athletes videos for this workout forget this is an intense physical sport and absolute, machine like perfection in any intense physical sport is impossible. Imagine if CMC got his TD's called back for breaking stride?! Pat stood up, locked his knees and noticeably opened his hips on every step up. The angle for filming was shit but does he need pro videographers PLUS a judge for every workout now? Pats not whining or making a fuss but he has every right too. Same with most of the other tops athletes that got screwed. Everyone that's done CrossFit long enough and watched enough comps, knows what Sh&%#y reps are. These aren't them. See ya at the games PV.
It is worth noting that they gave this penalty to Pat who can still make semi finals with this score. the same penalty to any of the top guys in the East region would miss the cut and not make semis, including Jeff Adler (defending games champ) so the question is, do we think this video is so lacking proper movement that it should be eliminating men who are a legitimate threat to win the crossfit games??
This is the kind of person Pat is, transparent and responsible. Good on you for uploading this. PV for Prime Minister lol
I hope he is as transparent to admit using GH
Pat you’re the best for uploading this. I don’t know what the answer to this mess is, but I’m glad you weren’t knocked out of semi finals for this.
G move uploading this. Good on you, Pat!
Pat you have some of the best, cleanest, and most consistent movement in CrossFit history. Appreciate the transparency.
It's not a bad angle for this movement. I'm a games judge and this is clear as day really bad reps. I promise you from the side they would have looked the same
@laurenmorreale2358 so what are you saying? So the judge should have no repd him? For what reps? Were they all bad? Are you saying the judge did a bad job?
@@drewarnold6741 yes exactly. Judge should have no repped him so he could adjust and he wouldn't be in this position. It's so easy to "feel bad" as a judge and just give the person the rep, but in this situation it's really doing them a disservice. Yes 90% of the reps (on the box) were bad. Yes the judge did a bad job.
@@laurenmorreale2358Is the issue the soft knees? Or the not looking forward?
@@missionbelle28 bent knees + closed hip and yes if you want to get picky, his head too but that's less of an issue
Glad you put this up. Always classy! Agree with the earlier comment your back looks huge!
Solid effort. After seeing this, I have no doubt about his intention to do the workout within the guidelines. The penalty is disproportionately harsh.
Pat is so strong!
You’re a legend Pat!
You are the man Pat.
Pat is great!! I could never be judge!!
The amount of arm chair judges on this thread is WILD
Different angle would change a lot. Uncle Pat will still dominate this year!
To be fair I see the soft knees and the shoulders over argument but it’s also a bad angle at seems a harsh penalty
Soft knees and hips as well. We have to stop letting elite athletes get away with poor form.
I feel like 99% of these step up reps would be good in-person.
The angle doesn’t help. I’m sure from Michelle’s pov they are great. But from this angle they don’t look great. And I can see how a harsh judge could no rep these.
@@ryanjevning5493yeah it’s all camera angle because it seems his knees aren’t fully locked out & his shoulders aren’t in line.
Thanks for sharing the video! Would be super interesting to hear what the heck Pat got penalized for. In my view CF is heading in the wrong direction when someone that moves as well as Vellner gets scores deducted. The sport turns in to figure skating instead of finding out who is the fittest…
I believe it’s because of the requirement they added where you are not allowed to look down when doing step ups and must be looking forward. That is what HQ has penalized others for I believe. Definitely listen to Craig Richie’s and Sevan with Hiller’s latest videos noting the problems with the judging. Glad that Vellner is moving on but bummed for people like Paige Powers. HQ needs to fix this.
I saw that you grabbed the rower handle before the rowing minute began. Looked in the rules. Nothing explicitly says you can't. Interesting...
It brings on feelings watching football when the refs are making ticky tacky calls and it makes everyone watching start to cringe and enjoy the process less. This person is clearly doing steps up.
Now we can all see that his score is valid!
Why the major penalty????
@@samerzaarour4331 he wasn't in "full extension."
@@Daisymaysvlogs Debatable
@@aaronjmet agreed
@@aaronjmet not debatable in the slightest. He's in clear violation for both his knees, hips, and shoulders
It’s definitely not the best angle for his box step ups. Wish he were directly 90degrees to camera rather than 45, but maybe HQ asked for that. I believe they don’t like that the shoulders are before hips a touch. Should be box step overs either way. Including Hard to judge movements with multiple/different judges makes zero sense if the goal is consistent judging / fairness of competition.
PS Go Pat!!!🎉
I'm a huge fan of Vellner, but what i saw from that angle is that in some reps the left knee doesn't extend full, it stays a little bent, so I guess that's the reason CF HQ gave that penalty.
Hiller got what he’s been screaming about.
Step ups seem a little soft BUT nothing I would think should be penalized. By ‘soft’ I mean Pat isn’t exaggerating extension. Other than that, Pat never showed his cal on rower, which I THINK was required and why CF rules said you could have a mobile video recorder. Not sure if grabbing rower handle before start is allowed or not, but seems Pat did that too? Even if not stated in rules, Pat should not have tempted the situation given it has always been a rule. Overall, I suspect the penalty came on the rower.
It didn’t come from the rower 😂
did you get some no rep ? Can you do opposition to that ?
was there any comments for stepping on the corner of the box? I thought that was also not allowed - you rock man
Corner stepping in this event was allowed
It’s allowed
The fact that a bunch or those step ups don’t count is just so stupid. CrossFit is so weird now. Back looks massive on the row 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Regardless of what everyone thinks of the reps and the application of rules / standards here, I feel like it wasn't that long ago that CrossFit coined the phrase "the athlete demonstrated the capacity to do the work". This seems a bit too far in the other direction so maybe we could find something in the middle that just right Goldilocks.
It really bothers me Pat was penalized so severely and that many others were too. This clearly shows that Crossfit is not doing a good job communicating the movement requirements to the athletes. Crossfit should be allowing a redo on this workout based on how severely this has affected all the athletes' seasons and careers.
penalty doesnt fit the crime right? .... i mean if he did it again and was super deliberate. maybe his score drops 8? this should have been a 5-10 percent penalty at most. its super frustrating that crossfit doesnt have this stuff in better order
They clearly communicated the movement requirements. "Hips and both knees extended, with head and shoulders over hips" he's not doing any of that.
@@laurenmorreale2358 You are right. I went and check the standard movement on the site. It clearly states the movement. Everyone is getting upset about the penalties the athletes should make sure to read and view the movement before sending the video. It doesn't hurt to double check.
@@KippingItRealcrossfit Exactly! The penalty doesn't fit the crime. They are strictly enforcing a standard on a movement that requires no skill or talent. And it's resulting in the elimination of many very skilled and talented athletes. Do we really want to see the best box steppers at the Games? If CrossFit suddenly wants to get strict on movement standards, why not look at the lockout on the ring muscle-ups or the shoulder and hip extension on the HSPU. This is just stupid.
If those are no reps EVERYONE had no reps
All of my athletes stood all the way and had straight knees, cause I kept no repping them. Just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it right
@laurenmorreale2358 Provide video evidence for that statement. Otherwise I doubt that very much.
@@Damian_Gillyou can do the research if you want, you have my name. It's not my job to prove anything to a random stranger on the Internet. My job was with the athletes and I did it well. none of my athletes got penalties.
@@laurenmorreale2358I’m sure none of your athletes got penalties due to the fact that there were thousands and thousands of people who’s videos were never even reviewed 😂
@laurenmorreale2358 Your name gets me nothing. Name one of your athletes that had potential to go to semis, otherwise it means nothing as their video wouldn't even be viewed. On another note, you're basically saying all the other crossfit games judges that judged these athletes can't do their jobs.. But hey, from one stranger to another, if you did a great job, more power to you! Judging should be strict, but should also be clear beyond doubt to everyone (certified).
Audio?
What a blonde bear at the beginning :)
No sound !!
🍿🦇
Good on you for sharing the video and I bet they are hitting you when it comes to the box step ups, specifically knee and hip extension on some of the reps. Here is the thing about judging though, the judge needs to be more strict and not friendly with you because CF isn’t going to be. From what I’ve been hearing from Games athletes is that they want it to be more professional so if it’s just slightly not locked out that kinda is like a tennis ball on the line or a cleat hitting any white paint. Just putting thoughts out there, I hope it’s not received negatively, I’m a fan. Best of luck!
Pat does and always has moved exceptionally well. The particular judge or judges that viewed Pats and the other top athletes videos for this workout forget this is an intense physical sport and absolute, machine like perfection in any intense physical sport is impossible. Imagine if CMC got his TD's called back for breaking stride?! Pat stood up, locked his knees and noticeably opened his hips on every step up. The angle for filming was shit but does he need pro videographers PLUS a judge for every workout now? Pats not whining or making a fuss but he has every right too. Same with most of the other tops athletes that got screwed. Everyone that's done CrossFit long enough and watched enough comps, knows what Sh&%#y reps are. These aren't them. See ya at the games PV.
Is there no sound?
There can’t be. You get dinged for copyright if the audio isn’t like a TH-cam song or something because of the music in the video
the new NBA TERM ON REPLAY IS MARGINAL, THE REPS SHOULD COUNT
Those reps look fine, this is nitpicking to the extreme. Honestly this is ridiculous
Why is there no sound? What bullsh-t copyright did pat invade?
Anyways good work pat. It seems CrossFit is its own enemy as usual
It is worth noting that they gave this penalty to Pat who can still make semi finals with this score. the same penalty to any of the top guys in the East region would miss the cut and not make semis, including Jeff Adler (defending games champ) so the question is, do we think this video is so lacking proper movement that it should be eliminating men who are a legitimate threat to win the crossfit games??
Adler was hanging his head during his step ups (not in line with the shoulders, hips and knees) but he didn’t get any penalties 🤔
😎
Looks like you brushed your hair, invalid video.
😂
Honestly just no reps galore, have you even been to the games before?
CrossFit went WOKE in 2020 AND NEVER RETURNED 😎
Clear no reps though on the step ups