What Tavares have to do with this? Karlsson was barely and NHL Defense man the last couple years and has 4 years left, Tavares has been a point per game 1B Center man with 36 Goals last year and only 2 years left… at worst Tavares has a little decline this year and then the last year it becomes a bad contract and I’d say 6 years of JT is worth 1 year of a bad contract
@@nonoman305 erik karllson had a 100 point season last year? How many did Tavarers have? When karllson signed to the sharks I knew that his contract was a disaster from the start.
@@joshuarichardson5443 Karlsson has 243 points in 5 years in SJS and has 4 years left on his deal, Tavares has 354 points in that time and only has 2 years left, it’s not the same
The large majority of teams won't pay for a 33 year old defenseman who is abysmal at defending. Not sure how a winger keeps tricking people into thinking he deserves a Norris trophy.
Karlsson is a unicorn. He has no foot speed whatsoever and somehow he can absolutely fly when he's just gliding. Someone needs to invent a totally new position for him to play. Have him just circle the play a full speed like an actual shark. Once he slows down he's dead.
Not sure how you say that it wouldn’t work out In Carolina. It completely baffles me that you would say Burns and Karlsson didn’t work the 1st time round. What about J.Slavin Defensive. Allowing Karlsson to Rome free. Burns with Brady Skjei. Reducing Burns ice time and getting more mileage out of him. Then freeing up Pesce to be traded for a top 6 forward! It sounds like undermining the Hurricanes Defense! As usual!!
If you wait, you risk him not having a generational season...His level of play this past season is the only reason San Jose can expect to get out of (most) of the contract.
Now that I think about what type of team Karlsson needs to be on, he’s be a great fit in montreal (Montreal shouldn’t trade for him but the fit makes sense- good offensive defenseman on a team with good defensive defensemen.)
I say to Detroit. I feel like he automatically makes them cup winner... he can easily split with seider 22 Min a game. 1st zadina fabbri and whatever else like a 4th and 5th. They can eat his cap no problem... Stevie spent 8mil on Fa and this year I reallt didn't like that because I think he needed to make a big trade like this to boost them to playoffs... I'd rather have karlson then those 2 and I'm willing to give up roster players and picks (not all) for him. I'd even throw in Chariot and take his whole contract just to make the loss easier.
Aren't the Sharks in rebuild mode anyway or are they still in delusional ''retool'' mode like the Jets? What is the problem with retaining up to 50% of Karlsson contract to allow a contender team to fit him under their cap if the return is going to be even better? The Sharks GM doesn't know how to do his job apparently...
You make a fair point, but they could retain 30 an get Karl to a team for 8, which most teams would be happy with. Sure, maybe not 50, but probably just because it doesn't need to be 50
you realize that retain 50% means your owner is spending 20+ million on him not to play for you. owners will not allow a trade like that to go through. it has nothing to do with the GM. its not Grier's money so of course he will retain as much as they can to maximize assets
@@NoSuccGaming I won't pretend to know all the details when it comes to salary but in a league where revenue is shared, it's more about managing your cap according to the situation you are in, whether it's to contend for the Cup or rebuild the club. The Sharks are certainly out of contention so why don't they use their cap along with Karlsson value (which is at his highest after the season he had) to get more assets like first round picks and promising young players to build around for the future?
How can Hayes talk about the Leafs signing Matthews at all?! And Matthews intends on being the highest paid player on Earth after 1st rd exit after 1st rd exit and scoring 85 points this season. How the hell can this be your take on this year's Norris winner?
You guys won't stop arguing over nonsense numbers and not understanding Karlsson's age is 33 years old. You would never over pay for a defensemen at that age.
his defense is not as bad just cause he puts up points. He plays for a rebuilding team and physically, he still has really good tools to be a good defender if he plays for a contender.
Defenseman is an outdated term. People accept that forwards can have different roles, skills, or deployment. If the position of forward was called offenseman, then could I criticize Bergeron for not scoring enough? Transition, possession, and driving offense is very important for modern day defensemen who are deployed in a certain role.
His contract blows.. 11 million is a lot of money. Yeah he does not fit in what the Sharks are doing in the moment. I believe teams are not jumping on the E.K trade because he is on a Horrible contract. But if a team can get him at 8 thats a different story. Most Teams are not even interested
If Karlsson can replicate last season or close to it buy the deadline there will be buyers I think the uncertainty out weighs the value too much risk except last year he's played like a 7mill Dman
SJ trades: D Erik Karlsson (with 40% retained, making him a $6.9mil AAV) C Cameron Lund 2025 3rd to Toronto for: F William Nylander G Matt Murray 2024 1st 2026 3rd Do you take that deal? Solves a ton of Toronto's short term problems.
We are talking about other players wanting out id trade him to a team that team because a player that wants out pretty sure be fine with coming to San Jose or just get off his contract take on Leafs 1 year deals Brodie Lafferty Murray wont make your team better but fills wholes for the tank for 1st Overall
Nurse is worth more than Karlsson - 1st should go to Edmonton. Karlsson is a niche player that works for a team that really needs an offensive defenseman and has really solid defensive players to surround him with
Ottawa or detroit comes to mind with teams to trade for him there both on the rise with a embarresment of futures but retention needs to happen regairdless
Karlsson prob has at least 2 good/elite years left so who care about the remaining 2 if he puts you over the top and helps u make deep playoff runs. For teams like the leafs and oilers it makes sense if they can get any sort of cap space. Cant always be conservative and not take big swings, thats why the leafs have been pathetic for 6-7 years straight and even edmonton cant maximize their window with mcdavid because of playing it safe.
Then get creative and ask a 3rd team to eat maybe $2-3mil off his salary in addition to the Sharks eating $2mil. It'll cost another draft pick to do so...
Sorry but karlsson is not worth Kni or prospects... Karlsson good but he is getting on and the NHL is changing and youth pay days and older not so much
Chabot alone for Karlsson with retained salary would be a good deal for San Jose if they can flip Chabot for more than what the best offers are for Karlsson.
Not sure how you say that it wouldn’t work out In Carolina. It completely baffles me that you would say Burns and Karlsson didn’t work the 1st time round. What about J.Slavin Defensive. Allowing Karlsson to Rome free. Burns with Brady Skjei. Reducing Burns ice time and getting more mileage out of him. Then freeing up Pesce to be traded for a top 6 forward! It sounds like undermining the Hurricanes Defense! As usual!!
As a sharks fan watching karlsson, it would make the canes an insane team. Ppl talk about his defense but who really watched shark games. They basically told him to roam to increase his value, why have a Norris type guy play a 2 way game when they ain’t winning shit
Hayes spittin fax per usual. More people need to realize how bad the Tavares and Karlson contracts really are
What Tavares have to do with this? Karlsson was barely and NHL Defense man the last couple years and has 4 years left, Tavares has been a point per game 1B Center man with 36 Goals last year and only 2 years left… at worst Tavares has a little decline this year and then the last year it becomes a bad contract and I’d say 6 years of JT is worth 1 year of a bad contract
J.T never deserved the contract he got I would rather him have singed somewhere else even though money was left on the table to sing with Toronto
And the Matthews one will become. ;)
@@nonoman305 erik karllson had a 100 point season last year? How many did Tavarers have? When karllson signed to the sharks I knew that his contract was a disaster from the start.
@@joshuarichardson5443 Karlsson has 243 points in 5 years in SJS and has 4 years left on his deal, Tavares has 354 points in that time and only has 2 years left, it’s not the same
The large majority of teams won't pay for a 33 year old defenseman who is abysmal at defending. Not sure how a winger keeps tricking people into thinking he deserves a Norris trophy.
Karlsson is a unicorn. He has no foot speed whatsoever and somehow he can absolutely fly when he's just gliding. Someone needs to invent a totally new position for him to play. Have him just circle the play a full speed like an actual shark. Once he slows down he's dead.
Not sure how you say that it wouldn’t work out In Carolina. It completely baffles me that you would say Burns and Karlsson didn’t work the 1st time round. What about J.Slavin Defensive. Allowing Karlsson to Rome free. Burns with Brady Skjei. Reducing Burns ice time and getting more mileage out of him. Then freeing up Pesce to be traded for a top 6 forward! It sounds like undermining the Hurricanes Defense! As usual!!
0:04 any time someone brings up another team or player not on Toronto-
I’d rather Morgan Rielly at 7.5 then Karlsson at 7.5
If the salary cap goes up 5m next year karlssons contract becomes much more attractive. If I were San Jose I would wait until that happens
If you wait, you risk him not having a generational season...His level of play this past season is the only reason San Jose can expect to get out of (most) of the contract.
I’d take Price if he won the vezina last year.
Now that I think about what type of team Karlsson needs to be on, he’s be a great fit in montreal (Montreal shouldn’t trade for him but the fit makes sense- good offensive defenseman on a team with good defensive defensemen.)
I say to Detroit. I feel like he automatically makes them cup winner... he can easily split with seider 22 Min a game.
1st zadina fabbri and whatever else like a 4th and 5th. They can eat his cap no problem... Stevie spent 8mil on Fa and this year I reallt didn't like that because I think he needed to make a big trade like this to boost them to playoffs... I'd rather have karlson then those 2 and I'm willing to give up roster players and picks (not all) for him. I'd even throw in Chariot and take his whole contract just to make the loss easier.
And ghost ao their Def not getting Karlsson big head scratcher for me...
1. Sea
2. Ott
3. Edm
These teams are my perdiciton for him
Aren't the Sharks in rebuild mode anyway or are they still in delusional ''retool'' mode like the Jets? What is the problem with retaining up to 50% of Karlsson contract to allow a contender team to fit him under their cap if the return is going to be even better? The Sharks GM doesn't know how to do his job apparently...
Exactly this. They’re likely not competing for a cup for the duration of Karlsson’s contract. Retain as much as possible and reap the rewards
You make a fair point, but they could retain 30 an get Karl to a team for 8, which most teams would be happy with. Sure, maybe not 50, but probably just because it doesn't need to be 50
you realize that retain 50% means your owner is spending 20+ million on him not to play for you. owners will not allow a trade like that to go through. it has nothing to do with the GM. its not Grier's money so of course he will retain as much as they can to maximize assets
@@NoSuccGaming I won't pretend to know all the details when it comes to salary but in a league where revenue is shared, it's more about managing your cap according to the situation you are in, whether it's to contend for the Cup or rebuild the club. The Sharks are certainly out of contention so why don't they use their cap along with Karlsson value (which is at his highest after the season he had) to get more assets like first round picks and promising young players to build around for the future?
@@vinceslapchopper because the owner then spends 20 million for a player not to play for them. they wont let that happen
How can Hayes talk about the Leafs signing Matthews at all?! And Matthews intends on being the highest paid player on Earth after 1st rd exit after 1st rd exit and scoring 85 points this season. How the hell can this be your take on this year's Norris winner?
You guys won't stop arguing over nonsense numbers and not understanding Karlsson's age is 33 years old. You would never over pay for a defensemen at that age.
Didn’t know scoring was indicative of good defense
Scoring 100 points is a good indicative of a good player maybe not a good defender
his defense is not as bad just cause he puts up points. He plays for a rebuilding team and physically, he still has really good tools to be a good defender if he plays for a contender.
U grab EK for PP mostly.
Defenseman is an outdated term. People accept that forwards can have different roles, skills, or deployment. If the position of forward was called offenseman, then could I criticize Bergeron for not scoring enough? Transition, possession, and driving offense is very important for modern day defensemen who are deployed in a certain role.
His contract blows.. 11 million is a lot of money. Yeah he does not fit in what the Sharks are doing in the moment. I believe teams are not jumping on the E.K trade because he is on a Horrible contract.
But if a team can get him at 8 thats a different story. Most Teams are not even interested
If Karlsson can replicate last season or close to it buy the deadline there will be buyers I think the uncertainty out weighs the value too much risk except last year he's played like a 7mill Dman
Karlsson will never replicate those numbers again... The trade is about his age at 33.. These idiots argue over anything.
honestly with the draft capital and cap space the Blackhawks have I would be trying to dump some of that to San Jose for Karlsson at 8m
Karlsson has a no movement clause. He gets to pick where he plays.
@@Jim-yh5uj ya you're right he probably doesn't want to play with bedard or the team Davidson has already indicated he wants to put together...
Sharks need to eat a good chunk of that contract no matter where he goes, nobody gonna pay 11 for Erik.
I could see Pittsburgh paying 10M for Karlsson.
SJ trades:
D Erik Karlsson (with 40% retained, making him a $6.9mil AAV)
C Cameron Lund
2025 3rd
to Toronto for:
F William Nylander
G Matt Murray
2024 1st
2026 3rd
Do you take that deal?
Solves a ton of Toronto's short term problems.
We are talking about other players wanting out id trade him to a team that team because a player that wants out pretty sure be fine with coming to San Jose or just get off his contract take on Leafs 1 year deals Brodie Lafferty Murray wont make your team better but fills wholes for the tank for 1st Overall
Karlsson to oilers at 8M for nurse and a first.
Hahaha, why would the sharks want another overpaid dead weight D man? just trading a bad contract for another bad contract.
Nurse has a full NMC. Why would he waive that to go to San Jose?
Nurse is worth more than Karlsson - 1st should go to Edmonton. Karlsson is a niche player that works for a team that really needs an offensive defenseman and has really solid defensive players to surround him with
@@imthebeatplug_8319 cause most of Edmonton doesn’t like him? It’s sunny in San Jose? Hahaha. Worst contract in nhl.
@@steverapos3904 you don’t watch nurse much do you?
Uh it's 11.5 mil? How do u forget about half a million
Ottawa or detroit comes to mind with teams to trade for him there both on the rise with a embarresment of futures but retention needs to happen regairdless
I could see Pittsburgh getting it done.
@JohnSmith-jb2jf lol hind sight is 20/20 eh there bud
Karlsson prob has at least 2 good/elite years left so who care about the remaining 2 if he puts you over the top and helps u make deep playoff runs. For teams like the leafs and oilers it makes sense if they can get any sort of cap space. Cant always be conservative and not take big swings, thats why the leafs have been pathetic for 6-7 years straight and even edmonton cant maximize their window with mcdavid because of playing it safe.
Then get creative and ask a 3rd team to eat maybe $2-3mil off his salary in addition to the Sharks eating $2mil. It'll cost another draft pick to do so...
Karlsson just had 100 points, won the Norris and you think he is worth nothing?
A bag of Pucks
EK65 > JT, and its absolutely not close.
If you want to win games?
Exactly zero!
If you need a player, who draws fans to the arena maybe a second rounder...
Tavares for Karsson
Sorry but karlsson is not worth Kni or prospects... Karlsson good but he is getting on and the NHL is changing and youth pay days and older not so much
He hasn’t had a good defensive season unless he’s played with Marc methot, can’t bring him in for full money. Sharks have eat 25-35% of that deal
Karl back to the Sens for Chabbie, Branny and the top pick they get for the Cat??
Chabot alone for Karlsson with retained salary would be a good deal for San Jose if they can flip Chabot for more than what the best offers are for Karlsson.
This Hayes guy has no clue what he’s talking about
San Jose would have to retain 40% Minimum in order for him to be traded.
Some dummy is going to see those points and the Norris and think he is actually a very good defenseman and a guy they can sell to fans.
Not sure how you say that it wouldn’t work out In Carolina. It completely baffles me that you would say Burns and Karlsson didn’t work the 1st time round. What about J.Slavin Defensive. Allowing Karlsson to Rome free. Burns with Brady Skjei. Reducing Burns ice time and getting more mileage out of him. Then freeing up Pesce to be traded for a top 6 forward! It sounds like undermining the Hurricanes Defense! As usual!!
As a sharks fan watching karlsson, it would make the canes an insane team. Ppl talk about his defense but who really watched shark games. They basically told him to roam to increase his value, why have a Norris type guy play a 2 way game when they ain’t winning shit