Best case scenario imo is Jeff Carter realizes he isn’t gonna play this season & waives his NMC for specific teams & then we find a way to get rid of Granlund without giving anything substantial up. That’d free up 8M & would allow Dubas to go out & get a legit 3C who can handle his own line while allowing Eller to play 4C where he’s best suited at this point in his career. I know he’s older & his game has slowed down but I think if you put Jonathan Toews in a diminished role behind Crosby & Malkin with linemates like Rust & Acciari he’d flourish it’s not like he didn’t put up 31 points in 53 games last year….. You get him on a 1yr 3M deal & then figure out your defense situation with the other 5M & the roster immediately looks way better
They did Graves cause they want Karlsson therefore you hsve solid dfd with both ketang and Karlsson which thoes 2 will be out for 75% or 80% of the time, Graves Letang Petterson Karlsson Poj Rutta Prob the best d core on paper
No offense but wth does Pens have to give up for a elite offensive dman? I dont see no prospects, lineup is thin and old. Picks? It would have to be at least 3 first rounders plus with money held back from SJ side.
This team will be in purgatory real soon. They know they need a full rebuild, but can't do it with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Rust, Rakell, Graves, Jarry signed.
@@rodhenson7657 I can’t believe Doofus got a promotion by getting a president job by the penguins after messing up the laughs by overpaying everyone now we stuck with this situation because of him.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Is it against the cba to have another team chi/yotes sign a free agent you want, have them retain half and trade for player you wanted to sign for -50%? Seems like a win/win way to circumvent brutal salary cap.
@@ryanriley746 We want him because our system revolves around the defense getting involved. Also because Slavin and EK would be the best pairing in the league. EK was injured most of his time with burns so saying it didn't work is just ignoring that fact.
@@ryanriley746injuries and that karlsson and burns didn’t play together as a pair. They’re both right handed defensemen and only played together on the powerplay otherwise they typically anchored their own pairing minus some time caught between changes or something. But 5v5 they usually weren’t on the ice together
Point that you guys made that isn't 100% true. Yes the Sharks retained on Foligno but that was Doug Wilson not Mike Grier so that might not be considered in that.
Penguins getting Karlsson will be worse than San Jose getting him when those vets all dipped... maybe dubas was highly over rated because of his Nice guy attitude😂
He's not inheriting the 2017 Maple Leafs either. So much promise flushed down the drain. Look what he did with a team full of young stars imagine the damage he's going to do to an aging team that's up against the cap with no assets.
@@biggbluh Kyle's only mistake? You're delusional, he made MANY mistakes. Last year was decent but before that almost every free agent that he gave up a 1st round pick for was horrible. Signed Petr Mrazek, Matt Murray, kept Holl and Kerfoot over McCann, give away first round picks to fix mistakes. Refused to fire Keefe after multiple chokes in the playoffs. It was all in Kyle's control, he was dismal as the GM.
Just need to improve the goal differential. You can do that through offense or defense. The issue with Karlsson is that there's a realistic scenario where he gets ~50 points again like earlier in San Jose, costs like 8.5M (post-retention) and assets, and is one of the worst D-men at defense in the league. It's hard to envision a scenario where they win the trade. I think if you wanted to go down this offensive D-man route then Tony DeAngelo was the way. The Canes just got him at 2.5M. His points may be similar to Karlsson's next year lol, and he was a +31 in Carolina before. He costed them a 7th. Personality flaws be damned. This leadership corps can absorb that. That's a lot of cap savings to improve the team in other areas with. There's no way TDA at 2.5M + 6 mil in wise spending is worse than the EK65 route.
@@NobuhikuObayashi But by how much? Karlsson's not actually been that great in his career on the PP. A little bit better than Letang at it. If Karlsson goes back to around 10 goals, 40 assists like before in San Jose, that's a problem. Petry had 31 points last year with minimal PP1 minutes, in 61 games. If you gave him PP1 all year he could probably get 45+ points, while defending soooo much better than EK. For this deal to be worth it for the Pens, Karlsson needs to become a 70+ point player for the next 2 years imo. Doing that would mean Karlsson caught his 2nd wind in his career at 32 years old. Doesn't happen often.
LOL, getting Karlsson to the Pens is brilliant! Make an already old team even older. Screw youth and speed, just bring on all the old timers for one more swing at Lord Stanley's cup.
@@Aarron656 Look at capfriendly. The average age of a Penguins player is 31. To bring in a 33 year old defenseman and commit to him on a 4 year contract just sounds ridiculous to me. If Dubas had any common sense, he'd just get Dumba in free agency rather than take this risk on Karlsson.
Take a team that just missed the playoffs with a horrible bottom 6 add a significantly better bottom six “already happened” then the best defenseman in the NHL as the second pair with Kris as the first pair. Sounds like a significantly better team
Karlsson just what a team with more goals against than for needs. The guy had 101 points and was on the ice for 127 goals against. Lol Bobby or on his 100+ seasons was +80 to + 124. Coffey less defensive was plus 50 - +61. If Pens plan on making EK a winger great. Lol you can't outscore your mistakes in the playoffs just asks McDavid and Draisaitl and they've both been plus players for the last 3 years
Look at the teams Orr and Coffey played with and you will see the answer. +- is a worthless stat since its depending on the team you play with. SJ was one of the worst team in the NHL, EK65 STILL managed to get 101 points. Plus look at the stats for EK 65 in 5v5, they tell you the truth about how good he is.
@@tomaskling2429 +/- can be slightly skewed because you can be in the middle of a line change when the puck goes in (also a sign of a bad line change) but it's a 5 on 5 even strength scoring metric. He's -103 career. And 5 years of those Ottawa Teams were good playoff teams and 1 year in San Jose. Guy is a LOWSY D-Man.
@@tomaskling2429 the truth that I watched every srason he was with Ottawa was that he'd have great offensive highlights but the media ignored the constant give aways in every zone. He never back checked hard when he pinched too often, yes the coaches played him way too often so he had to conserve energy and sacrifice defense for offense and leave Methot in the lurch alot. When methot left, it got alot worse for karlsson too. Many times he'd get beat on simple one on ones constantly. The media can ignore all his crap defense but I choose not not
The Penguins are stuck. After they re-signed Malkin and Letang last summer, they were all in with this core for the foreseeable future. The problem is, this core, even at it's best, still might not be good enough to make a deep run. Watching them last year, a few things stood out to me: They would take big games off frequently and blow games. We can blame it on the coach (who is still there), but the players are at fault as well. Jarry was very inconsistent and they re-signed him. Rust fell off of a cliff along with Petry. Even if they acquire Karlsson (which still doesn't fix their defense and goaltending problems), you need better wingers than Rakell, Rust.
I’d rather the penguins go all in than sit and not do anything like the past few seasons
They are all in. What the hell are they going to give up in a trade? Future first round draft picks?
@@chamber32doors Bunch of options to offer: POJ, Ty Smith, Granlund, Petry, Pickering, DeSmith and draft picks.
@@fluxcc Yikes, that's a pretty weak list.
It’s what Dubas has to do for the next year or two, but drafting smart when you do get to pick. Painful years will follow for the pens
@@jon8004 biggest problem was our bottom six and the offseason moves have fixed that
Best case scenario imo is Jeff Carter realizes he isn’t gonna play this season & waives his NMC for specific teams & then we find a way to get rid of Granlund without giving anything substantial up. That’d free up 8M & would allow Dubas to go out & get a legit 3C who can handle his own line while allowing Eller to play 4C where he’s best suited at this point in his career. I know he’s older & his game has slowed down but I think if you put Jonathan Toews in a diminished role behind Crosby & Malkin with linemates like Rust & Acciari he’d flourish it’s not like he didn’t put up 31 points in 53 games last year….. You get him on a 1yr 3M deal & then figure out your defense situation with the other 5M & the roster immediately looks way better
worst take on the internet might as well just go for tarasenko lmao
@@bradleyvision7315 That doesn’t even make sense he’s a winger & is gonna command at least 5.5M & want multiple years…..
@@bubbagump9662 crosby malkin eller acciari are all centers what would they do with toews
@@bradleyvision7315 Acciari isn’t a center anymore he’s better suited as a winger
They did Graves cause they want Karlsson therefore you hsve solid dfd with both ketang and Karlsson which thoes 2 will be out for 75% or 80% of the time,
Graves Letang
Petterson Karlsson
Poj Rutta
Prob the best d core on paper
Pittsburgh would instantly become a real contenteder of they got Karlsson but that could be said about half of the teams in the league.
No offense but wth does Pens have to give up for a elite offensive dman? I dont see no prospects, lineup is thin and old. Picks? It would have to be at least 3 first rounders plus with money held back from SJ side.
This team will be in purgatory real soon. They know they need a full rebuild, but can't do it with Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Rust, Rakell, Graves, Jarry signed.
Pittsburgh has too many tired veterans im afraid, EK65 still playing like he's 23 he wont win SC there
Excuse me, Dubas created an awful situation with the Leafs.
Doofus aka Dubas lol 🤑🤑🤑
@@canesfan1526 Kyle did it all himself
He's obsessed with over paid players
@@rodhenson7657 I can’t believe Doofus got a promotion by getting a president job by the penguins after messing up the laughs by overpaying everyone now we stuck with this situation because of him.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@jon8004 They basically have no prospects and are *checks notes* 8 million over the cap? That’s awful
Yes. Karlsson would be great for the penguins.
Matt Dumba... NO !!!!
Hextall screwed us. He's the worst gm idk why we ever hired him
How much would it cost Treliving to get Dumba???
Dubas is not interested in Dumba.
Matt Grzelcyk of the cash strapped Bruins is his back up plan to Karlsson.
Carter is a 35+ contract. Even if they did buy him out there wouldn’t be any cap relief they’d be on the hook for the whole thing regardless
As a Pens fan, the 2 first rounders suggested is alot.
Is it against the cba to have another team chi/yotes sign a free agent you want, have them retain half and trade for player you wanted to sign for -50%? Seems like a win/win way to circumvent brutal salary cap.
Penguins will get a 2nd option on the market but EK is coming to Carolina.
I’m confused why Carolina fans even want him. Didn’t burns/EK65 already fail in San Jose? Unless I’m missing something or burns didn’t sign
I guess any team getting him at 50% salary is happy. More room to add other pieces San Jose didn’t have. Will be crazy to see what happens
@@ryanriley746 We want him because our system revolves around the defense getting involved. Also because Slavin and EK would be the best pairing in the league. EK was injured most of his time with burns so saying it didn't work is just ignoring that fact.
@@canesfan1526 fair point with the injuries. and i guess if EK65 can get 100 pts with the sharks it should only be higher with the canes
@@ryanriley746injuries and that karlsson and burns didn’t play together as a pair. They’re both right handed defensemen and only played together on the powerplay otherwise they typically anchored their own pairing minus some time caught between changes or something. But 5v5 they usually weren’t on the ice together
This is so Dubas. His love for overpaid players is what screws the teams from getting a competitive roster
Dubas signed Acciari im upset the laughs didn’t re sign him
Point that you guys made that isn't 100% true. Yes the Sharks retained on Foligno but that was Doug Wilson not Mike Grier so that might not be considered in that.
Penguins getting Karlsson will be worse than San Jose getting him when those vets all dipped... maybe dubas was highly over rated because of his Nice guy attitude😂
He's not inheriting the 2017 Maple Leafs either. So much promise flushed down the drain. Look what he did with a team full of young stars imagine the damage he's going to do to an aging team that's up against the cap with no assets.
@@biggbluh Kyle's only mistake? You're delusional, he made MANY mistakes. Last year was decent but before that almost every free agent that he gave up a 1st round pick for was horrible. Signed Petr Mrazek, Matt Murray, kept Holl and Kerfoot over McCann, give away first round picks to fix mistakes. Refused to fire Keefe after multiple chokes in the playoffs. It was all in Kyle's control, he was dismal as the GM.
Pens fan here. We need defensive defense, not another Letang. Especially now that we're stuck with Jarry in net.
Just need to improve the goal differential. You can do that through offense or defense.
The issue with Karlsson is that there's a realistic scenario where he gets ~50 points again like earlier in San Jose, costs like 8.5M (post-retention) and assets, and is one of the worst D-men at defense in the league.
It's hard to envision a scenario where they win the trade.
I think if you wanted to go down this offensive D-man route then Tony DeAngelo was the way. The Canes just got him at 2.5M. His points may be similar to Karlsson's next year lol, and he was a +31 in Carolina before. He costed them a 7th.
Personality flaws be damned. This leadership corps can absorb that. That's a lot of cap savings to improve the team in other areas with. There's no way TDA at 2.5M + 6 mil in wise spending is worse than the EK65 route.
We need Karlsson
Our power play struggled, 5 on 5 struggled at the end of the year. Offense from the back end struggled. Karlsson changes all that
@@NobuhikuObayashi But by how much? Karlsson's not actually been that great in his career on the PP. A little bit better than Letang at it.
If Karlsson goes back to around 10 goals, 40 assists like before in San Jose, that's a problem. Petry had 31 points last year with minimal PP1 minutes, in 61 games. If you gave him PP1 all year he could probably get 45+ points, while defending soooo much better than EK.
For this deal to be worth it for the Pens, Karlsson needs to become a 70+ point player for the next 2 years imo. Doing that would mean Karlsson caught his 2nd wind in his career at 32 years old. Doesn't happen often.
LOL, getting Karlsson to the Pens is brilliant! Make an already old team even older. Screw youth and speed, just bring on all the old timers for one more swing at Lord Stanley's cup.
There are no good young ufa’s and if there was they would want a lot of $$$ something we don’t have
@@Aarron656 Look at capfriendly. The average age of a Penguins player is 31. To bring in a 33 year old defenseman and commit to him on a 4 year contract just sounds ridiculous to me. If Dubas had any common sense, he'd just get Dumba in free agency rather than take this risk on Karlsson.
Take a team that just missed the playoffs with a horrible bottom 6 add a significantly better bottom six “already happened” then the best defenseman in the NHL as the second pair with Kris as the first pair. Sounds like a significantly better team
Yeah they are too tired but EK still play like he's 20
Please no. Old guy making tons of money and was a minus player this past year and was -11 in his last 5 games played. Bad idea.
Pens have O’Connor signing for arb
karlsson is probably going to the canes
Karlsson just what a team with more goals against than for needs. The guy had 101 points and was on the ice for 127 goals against. Lol
Bobby or on his 100+ seasons was +80 to + 124. Coffey less defensive was plus 50 - +61.
If Pens plan on making EK a winger great. Lol you can't outscore your mistakes in the playoffs just asks McDavid and Draisaitl and they've both been plus players for the last 3 years
finally someone who gets it! karlsson isn't a defenseman, put him on the wing with crosby and it's a different conversation imo
+/- is a team stat you actual 🤡
Look at the teams Orr and Coffey played with and you will see the answer. +- is a worthless stat since its depending on the team you play with.
SJ was one of the worst team in the NHL, EK65 STILL managed to get 101 points.
Plus look at the stats for EK 65 in 5v5, they tell you the truth about how good he is.
@@tomaskling2429 +/- can be slightly skewed because you can be in the middle of a line change when the puck goes in (also a sign of a bad line change) but it's a 5 on 5 even strength scoring metric.
He's -103 career. And 5 years of those Ottawa Teams were good playoff teams and 1 year in San Jose.
Guy is a LOWSY D-Man.
@@tomaskling2429 the truth that I watched every srason he was with Ottawa was that he'd have great offensive highlights but the media ignored the constant give aways in every zone. He never back checked hard when he pinched too often, yes the coaches played him way too often so he had to conserve energy and sacrifice defense for offense and leave Methot in the lurch alot. When methot left, it got alot worse for karlsson too. Many times he'd get beat on simple one on ones constantly. The media can ignore all his crap defense but I choose not not
Still be $5 mil more than he's worth!
OMG, I certainly hope he is lol.
Little late to the party, pal. Just in time for them to be reported out of the hunt.
Please make this work out
The Penguins are stuck. After they re-signed Malkin and Letang last summer, they were all in with this core for the foreseeable future. The problem is, this core, even at it's best, still might not be good enough to make a deep run.
Watching them last year, a few things stood out to me: They would take big games off frequently and blow games. We can blame it on the coach (who is still there), but the players are at fault as well. Jarry was very inconsistent and they re-signed him. Rust fell off of a cliff along with Petry.
Even if they acquire Karlsson (which still doesn't fix their defense and goaltending problems), you need better wingers than Rakell, Rust.
Trade William Nylander for Erik Karlsson
keep petry ship off granlund and joseph
These guys have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to other teams. Just stick to the leafs
Drew o connor filed arbitration
Dubas smh
These girls talking about hockey is my favorite comedy show
nope, let him go to the pens and lose there lol
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Farts!
Sens fan here - don't care!
All I'm going to say is this: there is a reason A LOT of Sens fans aren't missing the guy.