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Could you tell me if a 2017 tv, Insignia Model NS-43DR620NA18 with HDR Roku TV, is compatible with the Silicon Dust HDHomerun Connect? Love your videos! Thank you!
Just a heads up: that website isn't necessarily accurate. I see that Syracuse, which is going to flip in less than a month, is listed as changing this Fall.
@@carolp949 after you hook a tv antenna to the hdhomerun tuner box.. you plug it into your LAN with the same type cable you use to plug your computer into you lan. then you install the hdhomerun ap on your computer.. on your tablet on your phone.. etc.. and bingo.. all those devices will have tv on them. MY HDHR tuner is used on my tv.. but only cus i'm using my tv as a computer monitor.. from my computers video card i run a cable to the tv and use it as a monitor.. so i ahve tv there too you will NOT use your tv's tuner.. u will ahve to use it as amonitor. but this lets you use every device on your network to watch tv.
I live in the South Bronx NYC.I used. Your advice and skills.I have a core box and two boosters and a splitter for two tv's.Thanks for all your knowedge and advice.Happy to have over 80 channels in NYC.
I'm impressed with the audio quality there is with this presentation; especially so seeing that brick wall in the background. Seeing such a hard-wall, one could assume the audio would sound akin to being in a shower-stall; but not so with this production. Here in the US, there are many on-camera news talents doing their presentations from their homes/apartments because of the concerns from the COVID-19 Pandemic; where the audio with some I've seen/heard sounding atrocious; yet, they are well-paid TV professionals that are unable to make their TV audio sound as good as what Tyler has done here.
"This even smaller piece of plastic junk has a special chip in it that allows you to receive these special 4K video signals" You can just imagine how many buzzwords they can fit in an hour or a half.
Hi Tyler I am concerned about the new requirements forcing me to give up my TiVo DVR with Lifetime service. I have two TiVo DVR‘s that are using the current tuner. I’ve paid $400 for the TiVo lifetime service for each of my DVR‘s. What do I do when the current 1.0 service is discontinued?
The SiliconDust HDHomeRun 4K tuners DO support standalone DVR/PVR setups on PCs. I'm using one now with NextPVR and SiliconDust's BDA driver software on a HTPC. Once you plug the tuner into your network and install the BDA driver on your PC, the tuner appears just like any other USB TV tuner using the BDA driver standard even though it isn't physically plugged into a USB port. Really neat stuff. With NextPVR recordings, you will be lacking audio on any of the ATSC3.0 channels as NextPVR doesn't yet support AC-4 audio playback. But this isn't a problem because I use NextPVR to record these stations and then use an AC-4 audio enabled version of ffmpeg to transcode the videos to use AC-3 audio during playback. For folks who want to use ffmpeg for playback or transcoding of ATSC3.0 streams, here's a link to the AC-4 audio enabled version that I built a few days ago. www.dropbox.com/s/4n99mhmnornbh1h/ffmpeg-ac4-msys2-static.zip?dl=1 Many thanks to Paul B. Mahol for adding the AC-4 decoding to ffmpeg. The archive contains 64-bit binaries so they will only work on 64-bit editions of Windows. For folks who want to run 32 bit binaries or to run ffmpeg on Linux, the source code for this AC-4 audio enabled version of ffmpeg can be found here: github.com/richardpl/FFmpeg/tree/ac4
Hello Antenna Man I’m a Senior widow that first I’m shutting down Satellite TV because it’s become to expensive especially when a monthly income. I watch you and trust you to guide me to what I need to get A Good TV signal I’m about 0 miles North of New Orleans. I saw your Gen Tv video not sure about that so I got couple months so I appreciate your advice. Thank You
I have been watching your channel for tips on antennas and hardware. My DIY antenna picks up most channels from Orlando and Tampa, FL. I have recently lost the video portion of Ch. 18.2. I contacted the station and they told me this was due to an "upgrade" of the signal. They added a sub channel (2.3) but my older TV's would not get the video on 18,2. I had purchased the TV tuner box you recommended and I do receive the video from 18.2 on that device. Do you have any updated recommendations on external tuner devices?
Do the signals travel farther with the new Nextgen signal? Example: If you are 50 mi away from Philadelphia, would you get better reception with the new signal versus the existing signal from the same transmitter?
I see a lot of states at that NextGenTV website that aren't listed as having 3.0 or even in the future. Does this mean this isn't a nationwide standard and only some places will be switching?
I always learn so much from your vids. I assume low priced tv's will eventually have the necessary receiver built in, too. Please let us know more about this transition in the future. Thank you!
So I have Sling TV and bought their "AirTV" antenna tuner to view my antenna received channels via the Sling TV app. It works pretty well to be honest and it's nice that my antenna channels are integrated in with my sling subscription. That said, is their tuner ATSC 3.0 compatible or will it stop working once 1.0 is turned off? I'm debating getting an HDHomeRun tuner and using that instead. BTW, I am in an area that does have 3.0 broadcast, although only 5 channels, two of which are Spanish speaking, lol.
If your local ATSC 3.0 market is like the one I'm near (Nashville), you might want to wait to get a new tuner until the kinks are worked out. I keep up with a forum in which members are testing out ATSC 3.0 reception in Nashville. Some of them are dealing with instability or audio issues. I had originally wanted to get one myself, but after seeing their issues, I'll hold on to my 1.0 equipment for now.
No. They issued coupons because last time it was mandated broadcasters transitioned to ATSC 1.0. This is a voluntary transition. We're still a good 5-10 years before this thing really takes off anyway. That's plenty of time for someone to save $50 for a converter box.
Really appreciate your videos! Lots of great information. An update for you. I’m in the Baltimore Market and WNUV ch 54/The CW station will go live March 9th here. Sinclair has cooperative agreements with Hearst/WBAL TV ch 11NBC and Scripps owned ABC affiliate WMAR and another broadcaster possibly WMPB to carry the sub channels of WNUV as well as the 1.0 main signal of WNUV. So we will monitor this. Thanks again and have a great weekend!
Interesting. Thanks for the update. I'll have to contact the guys at Sinclair to see if I can get some behind the scenes footage. I was going to do this in Pittsburgh but covid was very bad at the time.
@@AntennaMan Thanks! I also used your information to improve my reception. I will message later you on Facebook to tell you what I did. But I have a question about a Channel Master signal amplifier I want to buy I saw you use the other day--Thanks!
Launching ATSC 3.0 is a big msitake we need to wait for a Backwards compatible 4K standard like we did with Color in the 50's, and the fact we're not shows the FCC learned nothing from the massive Faliure that was the 2009 Digital Transition. also if you remeber back in the 2000's they told us that ATSC 1.0 was so much better than Analog NTSC, and we all know that was a load of Bull so I'm very untrusting of ATSC 3.0's claims
I think the FCC learned about the flaws of 1.0 and fixed it with 3.0. The problem is they used 8VSB modulation on 1.0 instead of OFDM. If they had used OFDM, 3.0 probably would have been backwards compatible but it's not.
The actual problem is the 8VSB modulation,it's very finniky. COFDM modulation is more robust. In example,I have been to Taiwan and they rejected 8VSB due to serious multipath interference with ATSC. They were about the use ATSC until the very last min they switched to DVB-T,which uses OFDM.
Antenna Man Even if 1.0 was OFDM, it would have used MPEG TS, which is inferior to, and not compatible with, the IP backend of 3.0. The IP system allows for real-time picture frame rate and resolution changes; with MPEG TS, the tuner technically has to re-tune the station each time you switch things. Also, the IP interface allows for cell companies to license some of the 6 MHz for more capacity. So we'd need new equipment, anyway. I suspect that DVB-T3 will soon exist with an IP backend, using the new VVC video codec instead of the now-obsolete HEVC codec in ATSC 3.0. DVB-T2 uses MPEG TS, and cell carriers need their bandwidth...
ATSC 1.0 is much better than analog NTSC ever was. NTSC gave me at best 10 low res channels with lots of snow and other problems. ATSC 1.0 while not perfect gives me 50 channels with picture perfect quality. Looking forward to even better ATSC 3.
Hi Tyler - I've seen many of your videos, however I don't see one for the Channel Master CM-3016. I do see one for the Winegard HD-7694P. Which of these two would be your preference for overall performance since there isn't a video for the CM-3016. The CM-3016 seems a bit more "traditional" which is a plus in my book. Your opinion would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
From what I understand, when stations move to ATSC 3.0 they have to share an ATSC 1.0 channel with another station which means adding mode subchannels onto an existing 1.0 station. Are people losing subchannels or getting degraded picture quality on ATSC 1.0 when their market goes to ATSC 3.0? I just found out my local station WSTM Syracuse NY is switching to ATSC 3.0 on March 11.
The FCC requires the subchannels to stay for five years as well so none should go away. The picture quality will be reduced when multiple stations are shoved on a single RF channel.
Antenna Man Only the.1's need to stay on the air for five years. Subchannels are technically exempt, though they'll probably remain on air, as has occurred in markets who have implemented it. Hopefully they got really good encoders!
@@AntennaMan Except 96% are already the lowest resolution possible (blurry 480p), I have only 1 720P subchannel and that is because it is rebroadcast channel for Fox TV since no one can get the main Fox channel which is on some island 36 miles away. What you just said is exactly why ATSC 1.0 is going no where. Channels may shift around but that is it.
@@donbest5024 I get anywhere from 2 (typical) to 6 sub-channels (ION) with 3 being shopping ones, Fox has 5 sub-channels, CW has 4 sub-channels, PBS and MeTV have 3 sub-channels. I only have 1 that is 720p, the MNT/Fox one.
I love watching Tyler's videos because he always brings me back to reality and makes me realize that I should not go out and buy a new TV yet! I'll just keep using my 6 year old Samsung with only a 60" screen and 3 HDMI ports and live with it until this new Tech gets established. First world problems, eh?
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You are correct , be one of the first and lay out some Big Cash as many others will do , or wait for time to pass , pay less and have more choices/options. Here is something to think about. When you get rid of your still working Tv's that are in good condition. Donate them to some one on a fixed income.
My TV is well over a decade old and works fine. I didn't see a reason to buy a new one, regardless of whether I saw this video or not. Buying a new TV when there are no ATSC 3.0 stations in my area seems a bit like buying deep-sea-diving gear when there are no deep seas around here.
I got one of the HD Homerun tuners and connected it to my 8-element flat-panel deep-fringe UHF antenna w/pre-amp. I realize that I am in deep fringe territory here in western Oklahoma, 78 miles from the transmitters in Oklahoma City, but I am getting a really reliable, solid signal from a few stations, while some are only receivable on rare occasion, which is to be expected. As far as ASTC 3.0 goes, one of the stations down there is broadcasting all of the ATSC 3 feeds that are available from the other stations on channel 19. I can only receive this transmission on occasion, only when the atmosphere and conditions are just right, so any reception benefits that ATSC 3.0 will bring, I am just not seeing them. Yet. Maybe they are not up to full power, I don't know, I am just a nerd like yourself who likes to tinker and see what's out there that I might be able to pick up. I really enjoy your channel, keep up the good work!
7:04 I live in that area and my indoor antenna only picks up 12 channels. Its a ClearStream Outdoor but used indoors. Usually I can pick up 45-60 channels with the other antenna.
It depends. If someone in a rural area has problems with multipath from trees then reception should improve. If the issue is someone living too far away or in a very mountainous area then no. The new standard can't overcome obstruction or the curvature of the earth.
@@AntennaMan Another added bonus to ATSC 3.0 over previous generations is the ability to have boosters or repeaters on the same frequency (single-frequency network). In the past, there have been translator stations that rebroadcast television stations in communities on a different frequency, because if one happened to be where both signals were both detected, they could cause interference and cancel each other out. Due to the nature of this signal type, they can broadcast on the same frequency and likely higher power than the older translator stations. This will improve the coverage of stations in rural areas.
We had a few stations in Kansas City launch 3.0 this week. The launch made one channel go blank but a channel rescan brought it back on what I assume is a 1.0 signal.
Hi. I bought the 4K HD home run. It picks up more channels and does a better job than the previous model (not that the previous model was bad). But I have not figured out how to get the astc 3 channels. I live in the Pittsburgh area. Could you do a video on this? I also bought the Televes vhf/uhf antenna which is very well made and improves reception. I use it indoors. Thanks for all you videos!
Based on that lower bitrate = fringe area is more like analog was with static. Still watchable unlike the current have it or don’t. I will be SO GLAD when these tuners come down in price. $200+ is a lot to pay.
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The ATSC 3.0 , www.redzonereceiver.tv/shop. Model RZR-1400 has come down in price , is now $900.00 dollars.
2:25 I will not need to replace my antennas. I have the wired and plastic ones I bought to improve indoor reception. Oh and I have box ones. Like about $100 each. I have heard of Locast which is like buying an "antenna" through an app. But $60 for the year... 3:11 more affordable tv tuners will come on market soon. My target price $60 which is what I would pay for Locast app for a year. Also good thing old atsc 1.0 and 2.0 will still broadcast. Oh wait 3:31 they skipped ATSC 2.0???
You can't fix the Tivo tuners. Once ATSC 3.0 replaces the current TV standard (5-10 years) you will need a new Tivo if Tivo even decides to make a new tuner. Rumor has it they're done with DVRs.
As of this post, it looks like Baltimore has a rock solid lineup of ATSC 3.0 compliant networks already, basically all of the big network mainstays except for CBS, hopefully they will go live soon too since the Ravens play on CBS a lot. I'm excited to see what DC will offer soon too given that I grew up closer to there, and prefer their news channels. It's good to be a Maryland antenna user!
The NTSC standard was introduced in 1941, and 68 years later replaced by ATSC. People were forced to replace their televisions, creating considerable growth in the Chinese economy. Now, rather than maintaining a broadcast standard for an extended period, we are being told to replace our incompatible televisions with a new standard that will allow broadcasters methods to charge for the service while still inundating us with commercials, and further building the Chinese economy. All this in only about 30 years after the entire country (with a few minor exceptions) was forced to throw out NTSC standard televisions.
Technology advances quickly. Current tv sets will just need a set top box. It's not like you have to replace the whole thing. ATSC 1.0 allowed for paid OTA TV as well. It never happened. The government requires the main .1 channel of any broadcast tv channel to be free and open to the public. That's always been the rule. No one was interested in paid OTA.
Truth and Quality Practical and Useful Information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NTSC was real loooooooong in the tooth. ------ China did not come along into Tv manufacturing business until many years later after 1941. And any way Japan moved in to the Tv manufacturing business long before China. I know a lot about the development of Radio and Television, It was a world wide effort , The USA did not in any way shape or form stand alone in the effort. The French were on the air with 809 line high definition Tv long before any one else had Hi Def Tv. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ When NTSC standard was settled on in 1941 we went with Analog Video and FM Audio. In and around 1941 we had the technology to go with FM Video , this would have made a much improved picture over Analog Video.
There aren't any channels listed on that site for my "market" Sadly, it likely wouldn't matter in the slightest anyway if there were. The backstory: I am from an area with 2 ABC affiliates, back in the analog days one of them, channel 3, was consistently the strongest signal strength channel, to the point that if you didn't switch RF modulators to channel 4 (and most people didn't bother) there would be visible ghosting or even a rolling double image (which many people had) from it bleeding in. This one only ever had mono audio. The other, channel 5, had stereo audio but was consistently the weakest. Whenever a movie was being shown I just kept my fingers crossed that 5 would be working and not fade out so that I had the better audio. Along comes digital and now all of them have improper aspect ratios and/or aspect ratio flags, sound issues, Etc. The NBC affiliate always broadcasts 5.1 and routes mono and stereo audio to the front left and right channels instead of just sending 2.0 audio or using Dolby Pro Logic during those times. This makes it impossible for viewers like me to use Dolby Pro logic because the AVR thinks that it is already discrete 5.1. It's maddening. In short my local stations have been messed up for as long as I can remember. Here's hoping that they can get it right this time around.
In an effort to get KREN Channel 27 uhf in Reno, Nevada I combined two antennas by replacing the vhf rods with longer ones from a donor antenna and cut the uhf section from the donor antenna and attached it to the uhf end of the “FrankenAntenna.” I then aimed the “FrankenAntenna” at 169 degrees. I didn’t get KREN Channel 27, but signal db was substantially increased on all other channels. Is there a way to discover if KREN is transmitting?
KREN is licensed for 1MW ERP which makes it a full power station. RF channel 26/ virtual ch27. It’s Univision so it’s likely that they are transmitting. Just call the station to confirm and get the coordinates of their transmitting site so you can verify you are pointing your antenna in the right direction. Their number is 775 333-1017
So without the new tuner over the air converter boxes won't work with the new NexGen.TV, ATSC 3.0? Are you saying the change we had to make years ago will not work once the new one gets online
Thanks 1st I heard of this new ATSC 3.0 standard. Makes since due to I never could see 4k being broadcast with the stations we have now. To get 4k we had to change the HDMI and DVI standards. It seems natural for the tuner standard to have to change for the extra bandwidth 4k works off of. All of the stations do not even broadcast in 1080p or i. Most are some mixture of 1080 720 480. To which I really do not care about 4k tv due to I watch most all 480p content. However, I would like to get clear OTA channels with out having to do a lot to get them like finding that right spot to put your antenna into and even not having to do some crazy multi antenna set up. I all ready have a homerun ATSC 1.0 box set up putting another beside it or replacing it would be as easy as rescanning channels. I do not see the stations building new broadcasting towers just for this change. Thanks for the eye opener video. Keep it up. Thanks again.
I don’t think that 4K will be noticeable on smaller TVs like 43 inches or smaller. I think it’s mostly for the benefit of oversized TVs like 60 inches and up. However, better reception and more channels will benefit all TVs regardless of screen size.
Hi, another awesome video. My question is will a new tv be needed if you are going to be using an atsc 3.0 external tuner? That’s the part I don’t understand. Or, is it just that you will need a 4K tv for getting the proper feed from the external tuner? I assume that atsc 3.0 capable TVs will have a coax input? Thanks
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the digital to analog converter boxes. ------ Same type and kind of situation. Now it's digital to digital. Not digital to analog. Some features a ATSC 1.0 Tv will not display. But that's Ok because will be the improved and more robust ATSC 3.0 signal converted to ATSC 1.0. As you know ATSC 1.0 in and of it's self , does have issues of picture break up into blocks.
I have a question. I live in Clovis N.M, I built a Danny Hodges Turbo antenna and it is sitting on the ground on a 5 foot pole right now and picking everything in Clovis up good. Now to my question, I want to have a second antenna aimed at Lubbock Texas and Lubbock is 98 miles from Clovis N.M., to pick up the Lubbock stations. What antenna would you recommend?
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's a long way with No Guarantees. The biggest antennas that www.channelmaster.com , and www.winegard.com make. ------ www.televes.com/us , sells some maximum range antennas. ------ And the antennas will be Up High and the best reception is >>> Always
It is interesting that you show the Sony TVs. If you look up that model just here on TH-cam you’ll see the amount of reviews and in depth coverage for that model. The 900H is considered one of the bang for your buck TVs currently on the market that support some of the enhanced features of the newest consoles. It has a ATSC 3.0 tuner built in (after update). Interestingly enough, many people already have the tuner in their TVs now and may not even know it.
Tyler mentioned in another video that Sony TVs is one of the brands that get the fewest channels. It would be nice if I could just get a firmware update and get an ATSC 3.0 tuner without buying a new TV, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'll probably just get a converter box, if ATSC 3.0 is ever available in my area (it seems unlikely).
So,..I purchased the HD Homerun 4K to view local Detroit channels in 4K. Well,..they are not 4K although the channels are listed as HEVC signals. This is what was posted in the forum: "No one is transmitting 4K over the air right now outside of a LPTV station in Idaho that has Insight UHD as part of an encrypted subscription OTA service that has a bunch of other cable channels. There's no seperate ATSC 3.0 allocation for each station like there was during the 2009 transition, so groups of stations have to come together and pick an existing signal to share for at least 5 years, which doesn't leave enough bandwidth for 4K. Plus the major network feeds still originate as either 1080i or 720p, so what's available is just HEVC/AC-4 versions of the primary channels at mostly the same resolution, with a few stations deinterlacing the 1080i network source to provide 1080p. The main improvement for now is that the modulation used by ATSC 3.0 is better at handling multipath issues, and in some PLP configurations can be decoded under unstable reception conditions like while you are in motion." What was that,...No one is transmitting 4k? expect BF Idaho? The box is going back.
Flexible Bit Rates and Coverage Areas? This would be a great video .... however technical .... but good. The graphic with the colored concentric circles and the bit rates for each look intriguing.
Hey thanks for the video im excited about the ATSC 3.0 . Im Canadian living in Montreal. I receive the signal from Burlington VT From USA and also my french Canadian channel from Montreal. Im 74 miles away from the Vermont broadcast tower and less then 8 miles from the Montreal tower . The only channel im not receiving is ABC22 from the Burlington market who is broadcasting on VHF7 . 2 questions here first with this technology will it be easier to get VHF channel. Second question Canada is very far from this technology so will it be possible to have both technology at the same time?
Don't expect many 3.0 stations on VHF, because there's no demand for that spectrum from cell carriers and other datacasters. If anything, other stations will eventually pool their 1.0 feeds onto that RF 7 signal. Expect Fox 44 to be first, when Nexstar converts their UHF signal to 3.0.
Hey there buddy. I hope you’re having a great weekend so far. Where could I get the HD home run? I would love to take my local channels anywhere I go because I have the fire stick.
Good information, thanks for the video! One area of interest I have with the new format is broadcast signal strength. I own a place in WV nearly 100 miles from both DC and Baltimore...it is located on top of a mountain (about 1500' elevation) and I currently get just about every station from both markets with my current antenna setup. Will 3.0 signals still have that reach? Thanks!
Can you spend a bit of time expanding on how ASTC 3.0 and being connected to wifi work with each other. While many future viewers will only be able to use ATSC 3.0 in a "stand alone" environment, many of us have high speed wifi internet and we would like to know what additional capabilities and features that will bring to the table. I noticed too that "smart TV's" will be taking advantage of this as well. Thanks for all you are doing to keep us informed.
Mainly TH-cam-style targeted ads. Subchannels will move exclusively to Internet delivery, partly to entice viewers to hook up their Internet connections to tuners, and partly to open up the RF bandwidth to cell carriers for extra 5G capacity. Money in broadcasters' pockets coming and going.
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are mixing truth with non-truth on so many levels it will just require to long to explain.
Is the HDHomerun and other ATSC3 tuners backwards compatible with ATSC1? What is the probability that the ATSC3 standard will change, making the current tuners obsolete before the mass rollout?
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The compatibility ATSC 1.0 / ATSC 3.0 issue has been covered , over and over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again. And the truth is ATSC 3.0 is already obsolete. However ATSC 3.0 has enough flexibility to stick around for a while. And ATSC 3.0 can be upgraded with no compatibility issues.
How about a mobile TV over the air video. For example, let’s say someone has a conversion van, with a TV installed. Due to multi path, (and I assume Doppler effect plays in as well), reception above 5mph is difficult to impossible. How will this be improved in ATSC 3.0?
OFDM modulation which is what cell phones use. Check out this video of mine. You'll see me demonstrate ATSC 3.0 in a moving car. th-cam.com/video/EewIWWddPtI/w-d-xo.html
Tuners will get cheaper, and right now, it's just simulcasting.1's. Not even the better colors are being used, yet, and chances are, your TV couldn't manage them, anyway. Bide your time.
@@EMichaelBall : Unless you're lucky enough have some stations simulcasting in ATSC 3.0 using 1080p@60 fps like in the Phoenix market and a few others. You may see an improvement in PQ over its ATSC 1.0 broadcast in those situations. ...
I live in Raleigh area and bought a hdhomerun 4k tuner, I have a Clearstream 2Max installed on my roof. Love it! Can you explain plp and other benefits.
So basically we can keep the old TV and just get a 3.0 Tuner, or skip the tuner and get an up graded TV with ATSC 3.0 built in tuner. Our area won't be up and running till later in Fall. I also just got the 2Max. I plan to remove the dish and repurose the J pole.
@@AntennaMan I’ve bought a Silicon Dust 3.0 tuner to see if my fringe Nashville DMA can get channels I can’t even pick up right now because of the new lower bit rate transmission option. Time will tell.
Columbus Ohio went ATSC3 live. On Jan 7th. After a rescan, some stations were moved around. found that the ATSC1 signals were stronger an I could get more channels that I couldn’t before.
More correctly, some stations when they went ATSC3 moved to new broadcast towers an frequencies. Which required the rescan. Either the old ATSC1 signals moved towers, or are broadcasting at higher power levels or both. As my reception has improved. An I can now reliably pick up my lone VHF channel now.
I like your Videos, keep us updated. When will Broadcasters Upgrade to 4k Ultra HD ? I currently find it annoying to have to deal with having 2 TV's , 1080p and a 4K Ultra HDTV. It would have been nice to at least have 1 Broadcaster in Ultra HD when the TV's were released.
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many Humans here in the USA want it now and should have had it yesterday. Here is a situation to think about , what would happen if 1/3 of the world population disappeared. the reason is not important. What is important is they are gone. What would happen to the electric supply?? What would happen to water supply.?? What would happen to the gasoline supply.?? What would happen to the Humans that are still here including you.??
I certainly hope they put out some good quality converter boxes, because I intend to keep my 4:3 27 inch picture tube for the foreseeable future. I also hope that markets like mine (Kansas City) which are all UHF, remain so.
@@CrossForum My problem is that would entail making an entierly new entertinament center in my living room. And for me... much of it would be a waste, because 95% of what I watch is 4:3 programming.
I live in Denver (4 new channels) and use a Raspberry Pi with Hauppauge DualHD tuners to record ATSC 1.0 channels. Could you make a video about what's coming in PC tuner hardware & software for ATSC 3.0? Thanks!
I’m new to your channel but I have a question, (and I sub’d).. Do you think the FCC will ever open up a broadcast range for home video broadcasting or home FM/AM radio (audio only),or some other type of transmission for home audio broadcasters? I remember talking with the FCC in the 90s about the cost of licensing and it was about $100.000 a license for a cheap FM channel. Podcasting over radio, or live streaming video via broadcast would be interesting. Ever see it happening?
I doubt it just due to the popularity of wireless and all types of RF transmission these days. Back in the late 1970s my college had a student-run radio station that had a very low level signal that covered the campus; think something like construction site walkie talkies. That was based on FCC standards at the time that allowed very low power stations for educational and some non-profit services at the low end of the FM range, down around 88 IIRC (FM wasn't as popular as AM back then). I'm not sure if that FCC reg is still in place, I know the college I went to has expanded its station to a more powerful system and it is fully licensed.
ATSC 3.0 is great it would be a big help since I have so many trees around and I heard it is great in moving environments like cars and buses. But it's not coming to the Philadelphia region for a little while so sadly I'm stuck with 1.0. But that's okay because I have a bunch of those old WinTV tuners in a PC that I use as a multimedia server that wont support 3.0 until I can get tuners that support it which who knows when that will be... Edit: honestly I wish we can just all use DVB-T(2) for TV and DAB for radio instead of these weird standards.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 DAB isn't perfect. DAB+ has sound quality better than DAB and Hybrid Digital and with DVB-T2 Lite on the horizon which is expected to replace DAB+ for Radio then sound quality definitely won't be an issue since it will be on par with digital TV.
Truth and Quality , Practical and Useful Information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some very small differences , ATSC 3.0 is the same as DVB-T (2) and variations of DVB. And you are correct , DAB for radio is much better.
Should look at client devices (Roku, Shield, etc.) that fully support the ATSC 3.0 video/audio format (AC-4 seems to be limited in decoding by most Roku devices) when steaming from the HD HomeRun 4k. I was surprised to get no sound on my older Roku Ultra. My shield will pick it up, so at least one of my TVs I can see 3.0.
I didn't even think about that. I did hear about audio issues but thought it was related to the HDHomerun. What devices were you able to get audio from? I plan on connecting mine directly to a computer.
@@AntennaMan So far, I was successful in getting sound via my old PS4, Nvidia Shield TV, and HD Homerun app on my laptop. Rokus, none of them get sound. I assume it is the lack of being able to decode the AC-4 format. PS4 and Shield must have been updated to support it. Edit: Correction, PS4 won't play it at all, I was using one of the 1.0 stations when I did the initial test. Oops.
I contacted the Next Gen TV website and told them that all the Virginia cities on their map can be condensed into one area. Most locals call it Hampton Roads anyway (This is from a 20 year native of that area). There are no other Virginia cities with ATSC 3.0 Currently or coming soon.
Hola como se que estoy recibiendo señales atsc 3.0 nexgentv compre un tv SONY 2022 Y TRAE EL SINTONIZADOR 3.0 pero cuando autoprograme solo note la diferencia en 4 canales incluidos el audio muy superior a los demás pero no veo QUE digan nexgentv todo es igua a los demás cuando pongo la GUIA D TV.
One of the stations in Oklahoma City is transmitting an ATSC 3 signal, and I was wondering if the translators this station has around the state should pass this signal as well, or will the translators need to be modified at some future date for these new signals. Thanks very much, great video as always
Which is better Model 91XG Antennas Direct 70 Mile Range Yagi Directional UHF DTV Antenna, 4K or Model ANT751E 4K TV Antenna - RCA Outdoor Yagi Satellite HD Antenna with Over 70 Mile Range ? Do i need to buy a booster for the antenna like this one Winegard LNA-200 Boost XT HDTV Preamplifier, TV Antenna Amplifier Signal Booster, ?
It depends what you're trying to pick up. DO NOT GO BY THE RANGE. Those numbers mean nothing on an antenna. The 91XG is only UHF but does a great job. The ANT751 is a basic small directional antenna for VHF/UHF. It won't do well with weak stations. If you aren't sure which antenna to purchase consider an antenna recommendation from me at the link below. This can prevent you from spending hundreds of dollars and time wasted on setting up the wrong antenna for your area. antennamanpa.com/antenna-recommendations.html
Since Tyler mentioned about Low Power analog TV stations If you're still nostalgic about analog TV do what I tell you. Buy a HDMI to RCA converter and an RCA to RF converter (make sure the RF converter has VHF/UHF output frequency), and use your old CRT TV. My Mate VINCE has some videos on how to broadcast analog TV over the air. Of course it's more like a low power wireless CCTV.
Here are some of his videos: 1. th-cam.com/video/__AACj_EVpA/w-d-xo.html 2. th-cam.com/video/SAS19C1otCQ/w-d-xo.html 3. th-cam.com/video/F9SGv11f1dA/w-d-xo.html
7:37 Whoa? Will we have to eventually replace the ATSC 1.0 set altogether, or will we be able to buy an ATSC 3.0 tuner that can be plugged into our existing sets through A/V or HDMI inputs?
It’s mainly just about some corporation that had lots of money to invest so they can make tons of money off everybody out there it wouldn’t something we really needed it’s another way of putting a new business on the market just like they did with digital TV it’s money and politics they do it with your cell phone and computers every five years
1. Requires internet connection. 2. They will be able to encrypt and firewall what you can watch. Essentially turns free OTA TV into non-free cable delivered OTA, with partial connectivity via your internet connection. ATSC3 is the death of free OTA TV, as a paid internet connection is required... and they can then charge you a fee to decrypt and watch some or all of the stations.
2:17 It kind of sucks that the companies can get away with calling it an "HD" TV antenna. I guess there's some loophole in there somewhere that protects them.
I've contacted some of the TV stations in the Kansas City, MO & KS area & have heard that KSHB-TV & KMCI-TV, both owned by Scripps, are supposed to launch ATSC 3.0 in late Summer 2021.
Detroit's WXYZ/WMYD combo (also Scripps) has launched ATSC 3.0. They're using the WMYD transmitter to broadcast all of the major network stations, while the WXYZ transmitter broadcasts WXYZ and WMYD.
You should do a video on stations actually taking advantage of 3.0 (like real 4K, 5.1 audio, etc.). Besides better reception it feels kinda meaningless.
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Great information. I have used your tips for reception at my property in the middle of Texas and went from three to over 60 stations.
Website to locate live ATSC 3.0 NextGen TV broadcasts:
www.watchnextgentv.com/
Link to the Silicon Dust HDHomerun Connect 4K with ATSC 3.0:
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Los Angeles television will soon launch ATSC 3.0 in the future.
Could you tell me if a 2017 tv, Insignia Model NS-43DR620NA18 with HDR Roku TV, is compatible with the Silicon Dust HDHomerun Connect? Love your videos! Thank you!
Just a heads up: that website isn't necessarily accurate. I see that Syracuse, which is going to flip in less than a month, is listed as changing this Fall.
We all need to like the “Watch NextGen TV” Facebook page. I am the 18th follower.
@@carolp949 after you hook a tv antenna to the hdhomerun tuner box.. you plug it into your LAN with the same type cable you use to plug your computer into you lan. then you install the hdhomerun ap on your computer.. on your tablet on your phone.. etc.. and bingo.. all those devices will have tv on them. MY HDHR tuner is used on my tv.. but only cus i'm using my tv as a computer monitor.. from my computers video card i run a cable to the tv and use it as a monitor.. so i ahve tv there too you will NOT use your tv's tuner.. u will ahve to use it as amonitor. but this lets you use every device on your network to watch tv.
We just had 10 stations launch in 3.0 in Houston. My favorite thing so far is the rock solid signal.
Great job! Im happy you are out there giving me a heads up on what’s happening! I appreciate it!
I live in the South Bronx NYC.I used. Your advice and skills.I have a core box and two boosters and a splitter for two tv's.Thanks for all your knowedge and advice.Happy to have over 80 channels in NYC.
I'm impressed with the audio quality there is with this presentation; especially so seeing that brick wall in the background. Seeing such a hard-wall, one could assume the audio would sound akin to being in a shower-stall; but not so with this production.
Here in the US, there are many on-camera news talents doing their presentations from their homes/apartments because of the concerns from the COVID-19 Pandemic; where the audio with some I've seen/heard sounding atrocious; yet, they are well-paid TV professionals that are unable to make their TV audio sound as good as what Tyler has done here.
It took some tweeking but I figured it out. If you see some of my older videos with the brick wall you'll hear the difference.
Can't wait for the Clear TV ATSC 3.0 infomercials with the exicted, wide eyed, smiling guy selling more junk to the rubes.
UH that IS what they are, that is why they are fraudulent. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get 4K without ATSC 3.0. The Clear TV 4K IS ATSC 3.0, dummy.
"This even smaller piece of plastic junk has a special chip in it that allows you to receive these special 4K video signals" You can just imagine how many buzzwords they can fit in an hour or a half.
Hi Tyler
I am concerned about the new requirements forcing me to give up my TiVo DVR with Lifetime service. I have two TiVo DVR‘s that are using the current tuner. I’ve paid $400 for the TiVo lifetime service for each of my DVR‘s. What do I do when the current 1.0 service is discontinued?
Tyler, as usual making it easy for me (non geek) to understand and not stress out. I may like this new ATSC 3.0 due to tree blockage. Thanks.
My altitude is around 380 feet. Only locals trees are an issue.
And BTW, no glitches if you move ISDB-T receiver on other direction aside from that, some of locations have building blockage
I suppose if he didn't make it easy, you'd be like my sister-in-law when my brother and I talk about computer programming.
The SiliconDust HDHomeRun 4K tuners DO support standalone DVR/PVR setups on PCs. I'm using one now with NextPVR and SiliconDust's BDA driver software on a HTPC. Once you plug the tuner into your network and install the BDA driver on your PC, the tuner appears just like any other USB TV tuner using the BDA driver standard even though it isn't physically plugged into a USB port. Really neat stuff. With NextPVR recordings, you will be lacking audio on any of the ATSC3.0 channels as NextPVR doesn't yet support AC-4 audio playback. But this isn't a problem because I use NextPVR to record these stations and then use an AC-4 audio enabled version of ffmpeg to transcode the videos to use AC-3 audio during playback. For folks who want to use ffmpeg for playback or transcoding of ATSC3.0 streams, here's a link to the AC-4 audio enabled version that I built a few days ago. www.dropbox.com/s/4n99mhmnornbh1h/ffmpeg-ac4-msys2-static.zip?dl=1 Many thanks to Paul B. Mahol for adding the AC-4 decoding to ffmpeg. The archive contains 64-bit binaries so they will only work on 64-bit editions of Windows. For folks who want to run 32 bit binaries or to run ffmpeg on Linux, the source code for this AC-4 audio enabled version of ffmpeg can be found here: github.com/richardpl/FFmpeg/tree/ac4
Hello Antenna Man I’m a Senior widow that first I’m shutting down Satellite TV because it’s become to expensive especially when a monthly income. I watch you and trust you to guide me to what I need to get A Good TV signal I’m about 0 miles North of New Orleans. I saw your Gen Tv video not sure about that so I got couple months so I appreciate your advice. Thank You
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I have been watching your channel for tips on antennas and hardware. My DIY antenna picks up most channels from Orlando and Tampa, FL. I have recently lost the video portion of Ch. 18.2. I contacted the station and they told me this was due to an "upgrade" of the signal. They added a sub channel (2.3) but my older TV's would not get the video on 18,2. I had purchased the TV tuner box you recommended and I do receive the video from 18.2 on that device. Do you have any updated recommendations on external tuner devices?
Do the signals travel farther with the new Nextgen signal?
Example: If you are 50 mi away from Philadelphia, would you get better reception with the new signal versus the existing signal from the same transmitter?
I get no OTA stations where I currently live, so I'm watching this purely out of curiosity for OTA TV standards
Keep up the great work, Tyler the Antenna Man. I enjoy watching your channel's videos for over three years now.
I see a lot of states at that NextGenTV website that aren't listed as having 3.0 or even in the future. Does this mean this isn't a nationwide standard and only some places will be switching?
I always learn so much from your vids. I assume low priced tv's will eventually have the necessary receiver built in, too. Please let us know more about this transition in the future. Thank you!
Yes, there are some TVs now that have the right tuner built in but they're all high end models. The same happened in the 90s with ATSC 1.0.
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The first DTV station in my market came to air in 1998.
The first DTV tuners became available in stores in 2005!
My connect 4K will be here in a couple days (it’s in the mail). I’ll let you know how the signal is in Pittsburgh.
So I have Sling TV and bought their "AirTV" antenna tuner to view my antenna received channels via the Sling TV app. It works pretty well to be honest and it's nice that my antenna channels are integrated in with my sling subscription. That said, is their tuner ATSC 3.0 compatible or will it stop working once 1.0 is turned off?
I'm debating getting an HDHomeRun tuner and using that instead. BTW, I am in an area that does have 3.0 broadcast, although only 5 channels, two of which are Spanish speaking, lol.
If your local ATSC 3.0 market is like the one I'm near (Nashville), you might want to wait to get a new tuner until the kinks are worked out. I keep up with a forum in which members are testing out ATSC 3.0 reception in Nashville. Some of them are dealing with instability or audio issues. I had originally wanted to get one myself, but after seeing their issues, I'll hold on to my 1.0 equipment for now.
Phoenix sure has many already. I get over 95 over the air stations now using a Channel Master outdoor antenna. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for watching the video. Phoenix was one of the first areas to launch NextGen TV
Will the FCC issue coupons like they did when you had to first buy converter boxes years back?
No. They issued coupons because last time it was mandated broadcasters transitioned to ATSC 1.0. This is a voluntary transition. We're still a good 5-10 years before this thing really takes off anyway. That's plenty of time for someone to save $50 for a converter box.
Really appreciate your videos! Lots of great information. An update for you. I’m in the Baltimore Market and WNUV ch 54/The CW station will go live March 9th here. Sinclair has cooperative agreements with Hearst/WBAL TV ch 11NBC and Scripps owned ABC affiliate WMAR and another broadcaster possibly WMPB to carry the sub channels of WNUV as well as the 1.0 main signal of WNUV. So we will monitor this. Thanks again and have a great weekend!
Interesting. Thanks for the update. I'll have to contact the guys at Sinclair to see if I can get some behind the scenes footage. I was going to do this in Pittsburgh but covid was very bad at the time.
@@AntennaMan Thanks! I also used your information to improve my reception. I will message later you on Facebook to tell you what I did. But I have a question about a Channel Master signal amplifier I want to buy I saw you use the other day--Thanks!
Launching ATSC 3.0 is a big msitake we need to wait for a Backwards compatible 4K standard like we did with Color in the 50's, and the fact we're not shows the FCC learned nothing from the massive Faliure that was the 2009 Digital Transition. also if you remeber back in the 2000's they told us that ATSC 1.0 was so much better than Analog NTSC, and we all know that was a load of Bull so I'm very untrusting of ATSC 3.0's claims
I think the FCC learned about the flaws of 1.0 and fixed it with 3.0. The problem is they used 8VSB modulation on 1.0 instead of OFDM. If they had used OFDM, 3.0 probably would have been backwards compatible but it's not.
The actual problem is the 8VSB modulation,it's very finniky. COFDM modulation is more robust. In example,I have been to Taiwan and they rejected 8VSB due to serious multipath interference with ATSC. They were about the use ATSC until the very last min they switched to DVB-T,which uses OFDM.
Antenna Man Even if 1.0 was OFDM, it would have used MPEG TS, which is inferior to, and not compatible with, the IP backend of 3.0. The IP system allows for real-time picture frame rate and resolution changes; with MPEG TS, the tuner technically has to re-tune the station each time you switch things. Also, the IP interface allows for cell companies to license some of the 6 MHz for more capacity. So we'd need new equipment, anyway.
I suspect that DVB-T3 will soon exist with an IP backend, using the new VVC video codec instead of the now-obsolete HEVC codec in ATSC 3.0. DVB-T2 uses MPEG TS, and cell carriers need their bandwidth...
ATSC 1.0 is much better than analog NTSC ever was. NTSC gave me at best 10 low res channels with lots of snow and other problems. ATSC 1.0 while not perfect gives me 50 channels with picture perfect quality. Looking forward to even better ATSC 3.
ATSC 3.0 is all about spying on you. It is not a true broadcast media.
6:25 Yup!!! Big hospital between me and the tv antennas in the mountain in L.A.
I have and will continue to have a VCR with digital TV. How else would I watch my old tapes? Convert them into fragile DVDs? I don't think so!
Hi Tyler - I've seen many of your videos, however I don't see one for the Channel Master CM-3016. I do see one for the Winegard HD-7694P. Which of these two would be your preference for overall performance since there isn't a video for the CM-3016. The CM-3016 seems a bit more "traditional" which is a plus in my book. Your opinion would be highly appreciated. Thanks!
From what I understand, when stations move to ATSC 3.0 they have to share an ATSC 1.0 channel with another station which means adding mode subchannels onto an existing 1.0 station. Are people losing subchannels or getting degraded picture quality on ATSC 1.0 when their market goes to ATSC 3.0? I just found out my local station WSTM Syracuse NY is switching to ATSC 3.0 on March 11.
The FCC requires the subchannels to stay for five years as well so none should go away. The picture quality will be reduced when multiple stations are shoved on a single RF channel.
In some areas sub channels are in HD,metv,grit,laff etc. with new standard.
Antenna Man Only the.1's need to stay on the air for five years. Subchannels are technically exempt, though they'll probably remain on air, as has occurred in markets who have implemented it. Hopefully they got really good encoders!
@@AntennaMan Except 96% are already the lowest resolution possible (blurry 480p), I have only 1 720P subchannel and that is because it is rebroadcast channel for Fox TV since no one can get the main Fox channel which is on some island 36 miles away. What you just said is exactly why ATSC 1.0 is going no where. Channels may shift around but that is it.
@@donbest5024 I get anywhere from 2 (typical) to 6 sub-channels (ION) with 3 being shopping ones, Fox has 5 sub-channels, CW has 4 sub-channels, PBS and MeTV have 3 sub-channels. I only have 1 that is 720p, the MNT/Fox one.
I love watching Tyler's videos because he always brings me back to reality and makes me realize that I should not go out and buy a new TV yet! I'll just keep using my 6 year old Samsung with only a 60" screen and 3 HDMI ports and live with it until this new Tech gets established. First world problems, eh?
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You are correct , be one of the first and lay out some Big Cash
as many others will do , or wait for time to pass , pay less and
have more choices/options.
Here is something to think about.
When you get rid of your still working Tv's that are in good
condition. Donate them to some one on a fixed income.
Buy HDMI 2 or 4 input selectors
My TV is well over a decade old and works fine. I didn't see a reason to buy a new one, regardless of whether I saw this video or not. Buying a new TV when there are no ATSC 3.0 stations in my area seems a bit like buying deep-sea-diving gear when there are no deep seas around here.
I got one of the HD Homerun tuners and connected it to my 8-element flat-panel deep-fringe UHF antenna w/pre-amp. I realize that I am in deep fringe territory here in western Oklahoma, 78 miles from the transmitters in Oklahoma City, but I am getting a really reliable, solid signal from a few stations, while some are only receivable on rare occasion, which is to be expected.
As far as ASTC 3.0 goes, one of the stations down there is broadcasting all of the ATSC 3 feeds that are available from the other stations on channel 19. I can only receive this transmission on occasion, only when the atmosphere and conditions are just right, so any reception benefits that ATSC 3.0 will bring, I am just not seeing them. Yet. Maybe they are not up to full power, I don't know, I am just a nerd like yourself who likes to tinker and see what's out there that I might be able to pick up. I really enjoy your channel, keep up the good work!
Will I be able to use my tivo roamio with lifetime subscription when they switch to ATSC 3.0
7:04 I live in that area and my indoor antenna only picks up 12 channels. Its a ClearStream Outdoor but used indoors. Usually I can pick up 45-60 channels with the other antenna.
Do you think that this new standard will in any way help people in rural areas to access tv signals?
It depends. If someone in a rural area has problems with multipath from trees then reception should improve. If the issue is someone living too far away or in a very mountainous area then no. The new standard can't overcome obstruction or the curvature of the earth.
@@AntennaMan Another added bonus to ATSC 3.0 over previous generations is the ability to have boosters or repeaters on the same frequency (single-frequency network). In the past, there have been translator stations that rebroadcast television stations in communities on a different frequency, because if one happened to be where both signals were both detected, they could cause interference and cancel each other out. Due to the nature of this signal type, they can broadcast on the same frequency and likely higher power than the older translator stations. This will improve the coverage of stations in rural areas.
We had a few stations in Kansas City launch 3.0 this week. The launch made one channel go blank but a channel rescan brought it back on what I assume is a 1.0 signal.
Hi. I bought the 4K HD home run. It picks up more channels and does a better job than the previous model (not that the previous model was bad). But I have not figured out how to get the astc 3 channels. I live in the Pittsburgh area. Could you do a video on this? I also bought the Televes vhf/uhf antenna which is very well made and improves reception. I use it indoors. Thanks for all you videos!
Based on that lower bitrate = fringe area is more like analog was with static. Still watchable unlike the current have it or don’t. I will be SO GLAD when these tuners come down in price. $200+ is a lot to pay.
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The ATSC 3.0 , www.redzonereceiver.tv/shop.
Model RZR-1400 has come down
in price , is now $900.00 dollars.
I have an 8 bowtie UHF array with boost amplifier on my roof for several years now. Still works for my local digital stations.
2:25 I will not need to replace my antennas. I have the wired and plastic ones I bought to improve indoor reception. Oh and I have box ones. Like about $100 each. I have heard of Locast which is like buying an "antenna" through an app. But $60 for the year... 3:11 more affordable tv tuners will come on market soon. My target price $60 which is what I would pay for Locast app for a year. Also good thing old atsc 1.0 and 2.0 will still broadcast. Oh wait 3:31 they skipped ATSC 2.0???
Hi Tyler
I am curious you say that we need to buy a new tuner for our TV, are use a TiVo bolt with four tuners. How do I go about fixing my issue?
You can't fix the Tivo tuners. Once ATSC 3.0 replaces the current TV standard (5-10 years) you will need a new Tivo if Tivo even decides to make a new tuner. Rumor has it they're done with DVRs.
As of this post, it looks like Baltimore has a rock solid lineup of ATSC 3.0 compliant networks already, basically all of the big network mainstays except for CBS, hopefully they will go live soon too since the Ravens play on CBS a lot. I'm excited to see what DC will offer soon too given that I grew up closer to there, and prefer their news channels. It's good to be a Maryland antenna user!
The NTSC standard was introduced in 1941, and 68 years later replaced by ATSC. People were forced to replace their televisions, creating considerable growth in the Chinese economy. Now, rather than maintaining a broadcast standard for an extended period, we are being told to replace our incompatible televisions with a new standard that will allow broadcasters methods to charge for the service while still inundating us with commercials, and further building the Chinese economy. All this in only about 30 years after the entire country (with a few minor exceptions) was forced to throw out NTSC standard televisions.
Technology advances quickly. Current tv sets will just need a set top box. It's not like you have to replace the whole thing. ATSC 1.0 allowed for paid OTA TV as well. It never happened. The government requires the main .1 channel of any broadcast tv channel to be free and open to the public. That's always been the rule. No one was interested in paid OTA.
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NTSC was real loooooooong in the tooth.
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China did not come along into Tv manufacturing business
until many years later after 1941.
And any way Japan moved in to the Tv manufacturing
business long before China.
I know a lot about the development of Radio and Television,
It was a world wide effort , The USA did not in any way shape
or form stand alone in the effort.
The French were on the air with 809 line high definition Tv
long before any one else had Hi Def Tv.
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When NTSC standard was settled on in 1941 we went with
Analog Video and FM Audio.
In and around 1941 we had the technology to go with
FM Video , this would have made a much improved picture
over Analog Video.
Have you seen the T-mobile T-Vision Packages
oh god this is giving me flashbacks of the early ATSC 1.0 stages
Need to understand the set up scenario and the advantages of this new tech.
1:29 god the shape of that tv the way its drawn there is giving me QUBO flashbacks
Where do you get those atsc at are they expensive or do I need to wait till they switch over and leave my home made antenna alone
There aren't any channels listed on that site for my "market"
Sadly, it likely wouldn't matter in the slightest anyway if there were.
The backstory: I am from an area with 2 ABC affiliates, back in the analog days one of them, channel 3, was consistently the strongest signal strength channel, to the point that if you didn't switch RF modulators to channel 4 (and most people didn't bother) there would be visible ghosting or even a rolling double image (which many people had) from it bleeding in. This one only ever had mono audio. The other, channel 5, had stereo audio but was consistently the weakest. Whenever a movie was being shown I just kept my fingers crossed that 5 would be working and not fade out so that I had the better audio.
Along comes digital and now all of them have improper aspect ratios and/or aspect ratio flags, sound issues, Etc. The NBC affiliate always broadcasts 5.1 and routes mono and stereo audio to the front left and right channels instead of just sending 2.0 audio or using Dolby Pro Logic during those times. This makes it impossible for viewers like me to use Dolby Pro logic because the AVR thinks that it is already discrete 5.1. It's maddening.
In short my local stations have been messed up for as long as I can remember.
Here's hoping that they can get it right this time around.
In an effort to get KREN Channel 27 uhf in Reno, Nevada I combined two antennas by replacing the vhf rods with longer ones from a donor antenna and cut the uhf section from the donor antenna and attached it to the uhf end of the “FrankenAntenna.” I then aimed the “FrankenAntenna” at 169 degrees. I didn’t get KREN Channel 27, but signal db was substantially increased on all other channels. Is there a way to discover if KREN is transmitting?
KREN is licensed for 1MW ERP which makes it a full power station. RF channel 26/ virtual ch27. It’s Univision so it’s likely that they are transmitting. Just call the station to confirm and get the coordinates of their transmitting site so you can verify you are pointing your antenna in the right direction. Their number is 775 333-1017
my market is not 3.0 yet ; so if i was to buy a 3.0 bow will i still get my regular channels yet
So without the new tuner over the air converter boxes won't work with the new NexGen.TV, ATSC 3.0? Are you saying the change we had to make years ago will not work once the new one gets online
Correct
As per the map we'll be getting ATSC 3.0 this summer, will Tablo Dual tuner work for ATSC 3.0? Thanks!
No, it will not work for 3.0. Rewatch the video. You will need a new tuner for ATSC 3.0 and there are not many on the market.
Thanks 1st I heard of this new ATSC 3.0 standard. Makes since due to I never could see 4k being broadcast with the stations we have now. To get 4k we had to change the HDMI and DVI standards. It seems natural for the tuner standard to have to change for the extra bandwidth 4k works off of. All of the stations do not even broadcast in 1080p or i. Most are some mixture of 1080 720 480. To which I really do not care about 4k tv due to I watch most all 480p content. However, I would like to get clear OTA channels with out having to do a lot to get them like finding that right spot to put your antenna into and even not having to do some crazy multi antenna set up. I all ready have a homerun ATSC 1.0 box set up putting another beside it or replacing it would be as easy as rescanning channels. I do not see the stations building new broadcasting towers just for this change. Thanks for the eye opener video. Keep it up. Thanks again.
I don’t think that 4K will be noticeable on smaller TVs like 43 inches or smaller. I think it’s mostly for the benefit of oversized TVs like 60 inches and up. However, better reception and more channels will benefit all TVs regardless of screen size.
Hi, another awesome video. My question is will a new tv be needed if you are going to be using an atsc 3.0 external tuner? That’s the part I don’t understand. Or, is it just that you will need a 4K tv for getting the proper feed from the external tuner? I assume that atsc 3.0 capable TVs will have a coax input? Thanks
No you don't need a new TV if you get a converter box.
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Remember the digital to analog converter boxes.
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Same type and kind of situation.
Now it's digital to digital.
Not digital to analog.
Some features a ATSC 1.0 Tv will not display.
But that's Ok because will be the improved and
more robust ATSC 3.0 signal converted to ATSC 1.0.
As you know ATSC 1.0 in and of it's self , does have
issues of picture break up into blocks.
I have a question. I live in Clovis N.M, I built a Danny Hodges Turbo antenna and it is sitting on the ground on a 5 foot pole right now and picking everything in Clovis up good. Now to my question, I want to have a second antenna aimed at Lubbock Texas and Lubbock is 98 miles from Clovis N.M., to pick up the Lubbock stations. What antenna would you recommend?
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That's a long way with No Guarantees.
The biggest antennas that www.channelmaster.com ,
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So the only thing I would have to change in my setup is the tuner, not the preamp or any other equipment?
Correct!
Will you do reviews of the new receivers needed to decode the new signals?
It is interesting that you show the Sony TVs. If you look up that model just here on TH-cam you’ll see the amount of reviews and in depth coverage for that model. The 900H is considered one of the bang for your buck TVs currently on the market that support some of the enhanced features of the newest consoles. It has a ATSC 3.0 tuner built in (after update). Interestingly enough, many people already have the tuner in their TVs now and may not even know it.
Tyler mentioned in another video that Sony TVs is one of the brands that get the fewest channels. It would be nice if I could just get a firmware update and get an ATSC 3.0 tuner without buying a new TV, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'll probably just get a converter box, if ATSC 3.0 is ever available in my area (it seems unlikely).
@@ghenulo I think it’s a hardware and software compatibility thing, so an update couldn’t be done
How about car radios and ATSC 3.0 converter box for vehciles.?
So,..I purchased the HD Homerun 4K to view local Detroit channels in 4K. Well,..they are not 4K although the channels are listed as HEVC signals. This is what was posted in the forum:
"No one is transmitting 4K over the air right now outside of a LPTV station in Idaho that has Insight UHD as part of an encrypted subscription OTA service that has a bunch of other cable channels.
There's no seperate ATSC 3.0 allocation for each station like there was during the 2009 transition, so groups of stations have to come together and pick an existing signal to share for at least 5 years, which doesn't leave enough bandwidth for 4K. Plus the major network feeds still originate as either 1080i or 720p, so what's available is just HEVC/AC-4 versions of the primary channels at mostly the same resolution, with a few stations deinterlacing the 1080i network source to provide 1080p. The main improvement for now is that the modulation used by ATSC 3.0 is better at handling multipath issues, and in some PLP configurations can be decoded under unstable reception conditions like while you are in motion."
What was that,...No one is transmitting 4k? expect BF Idaho?
The box is going back.
Yeah we're a long way from 4K. Too many people think this whole thing is happening overnight. It's not.
Flexible Bit Rates and Coverage Areas? This would be a great video .... however technical .... but good. The graphic with the colored concentric circles and the bit rates for each look intriguing.
Hey thanks for the video im excited about the ATSC 3.0 . Im Canadian living in Montreal. I receive the signal from Burlington VT From USA and also my french Canadian channel from Montreal. Im 74 miles away from the Vermont broadcast tower and less then 8 miles from the Montreal tower . The only channel im not receiving is ABC22 from the Burlington market who is broadcasting on VHF7 . 2 questions here first with this technology will it be easier to get VHF channel. Second question Canada is very far from this technology so will it be possible to have both technology at the same time?
It should improve reception for VHF unless you're using a junk antenna. ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 will likely be around the same time for a good 5-10 years.
Don't expect many 3.0 stations on VHF, because there's no demand for that spectrum from cell carriers and other datacasters. If anything, other stations will eventually pool their 1.0 feeds onto that RF 7 signal. Expect Fox 44 to be first, when Nexstar converts their UHF signal to 3.0.
Hey there buddy. I hope you’re having a great weekend so far. Where could I get the HD home run? I would love to take my local channels anywhere I go because I have the fire stick.
I subbed, didn't knew that Quatro had a 4k version. I can now plan on future upgrades on my network. Awesome.
Good information, thanks for the video! One area of interest I have with the new format is broadcast signal strength. I own a place in WV nearly 100 miles from both DC and Baltimore...it is located on top of a mountain (about 1500' elevation) and I currently get just about every station from both markets with my current antenna setup. Will 3.0 signals still have that reach? Thanks!
Yes they should
Yes, it is just two way and 4K.
@Larry Butler Now they just need your TV for you to Venmo them $10000. I will never use ATSC 3.0 since it IS two way and not broadcast TV.
Can you spend a bit of time expanding on how ASTC 3.0 and being connected to wifi work with each other. While many future viewers will only be able to use ATSC 3.0 in a "stand alone" environment, many of us have high speed wifi internet and we would like to know what additional capabilities and features that will bring to the table. I noticed too that "smart TV's" will be taking advantage of this as well. Thanks for all you are doing to keep us informed.
Mainly TH-cam-style targeted ads. Subchannels will move exclusively to Internet delivery, partly to entice viewers to hook up their Internet connections to tuners, and partly to open up the RF bandwidth to cell carriers for extra 5G capacity. Money in broadcasters' pockets coming and going.
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You are mixing truth with non-truth on so many
levels it will just require to long to explain.
Is the HDHomerun and other ATSC3 tuners backwards compatible with ATSC1? What is the probability that the ATSC3 standard will change, making the current tuners obsolete before the mass rollout?
Yes, the HDHomerun Connect 4K has two ATSC 1.0 tuners and two 3.0 tuners.
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The compatibility ATSC 1.0 / ATSC 3.0 issue has
been covered , over and over
and over and over and over and over again and again and
again and again.
And the truth is ATSC 3.0 is already obsolete.
However ATSC 3.0 has enough flexibility to stick around
for a while. And ATSC 3.0 can be upgraded with no
compatibility issues.
How about a mobile TV over the air video. For example, let’s say someone has a conversion van, with a TV installed. Due to multi path, (and I assume Doppler effect plays in as well), reception above 5mph is difficult to impossible. How will this be improved in ATSC 3.0?
OFDM modulation which is what cell phones use. Check out this video of mine. You'll see me demonstrate ATSC 3.0 in a moving car. th-cam.com/video/EewIWWddPtI/w-d-xo.html
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Might consider getting one of these new HD Homeruns when Plex fixes the audio issues they are having with ATSC 3.0.
Tuners will get cheaper, and right now, it's just simulcasting.1's. Not even the better colors are being used, yet, and chances are, your TV couldn't manage them, anyway. Bide your time.
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Unless you're lucky enough have some stations simulcasting in ATSC 3.0 using 1080p@60 fps like in the Phoenix market and a few others.
You may see an improvement in PQ over its ATSC 1.0 broadcast in those situations. ...
I live in Raleigh area and bought a hdhomerun 4k tuner, I have a Clearstream 2Max installed on my roof. Love it! Can you explain plp and other benefits.
I live in the RDU area as well.......I hope to get a 3.0 tuner soon. WRDC and WARZ-CD already launched them. You watching those stations?
@@friesareyummy live near mcgees crossroad, get Wral, wtvd, wncn,wlfl,, wrdc,warz, wraz in atsc 3
So basically we can keep the old TV and just get a 3.0 Tuner, or skip the tuner and get an up graded TV with ATSC 3.0 built in tuner.
Our area won't be up and running till later in Fall. I also just got the 2Max. I plan to remove the dish and repurose the J pole.
What’s sad my DMA of Nashville TN is one of the full 3.0 markets. But the tuners are so damn expensive.
That's because we are still in the very early stages of this launch. Tuners will be more affordable as time goes on.
@@AntennaMan I’ve bought a Silicon Dust 3.0 tuner to see if my fringe Nashville DMA can get channels I can’t even pick up right now because of the new lower bit rate transmission option. Time will tell.
Columbus Ohio went ATSC3 live. On Jan 7th. After a rescan, some stations were moved around. found that the ATSC1 signals were stronger an I could get more channels that I couldn’t before.
More correctly, some stations when they went ATSC3 moved to new broadcast towers an frequencies. Which required the rescan. Either the old ATSC1 signals moved towers, or are broadcasting at higher power levels or both. As my reception has improved. An I can now reliably pick up my lone VHF channel now.
I've seen that happen in some areas. The lighthouse atsc 1.0 signals end up going on a stronger stick reaching areas they never did before
I like your Videos, keep us updated. When will Broadcasters Upgrade to 4k Ultra HD ? I currently find it annoying to have to deal with having 2 TV's , 1080p and a 4K Ultra HDTV. It would have been nice to at least have 1 Broadcaster in Ultra HD when the TV's were released.
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Many Humans here in the USA want it now and should
have had it yesterday.
Here is a situation to think about , what would happen
if 1/3 of the world population disappeared. the reason is not
important.
What is important is they are gone.
What would happen to the electric supply??
What would happen to water supply.??
What would happen to the gasoline supply.??
What would happen to the Humans that are still here
including you.??
Who cares! 4K is everywhere on-line.
I certainly hope they put out some good quality converter boxes, because I intend to keep my 4:3 27 inch picture tube for the foreseeable future. I also hope that markets like mine (Kansas City) which are all UHF, remain so.
I'm sure there will be one model in the future that has analog RCA/coax out
@@AntennaMan RCA only. COAX OUT, need HDMI TO RF.
These days (May 2023) you can get a 32 inch SMART TV with 1080p display for $150. Might be worth thinking about a switch.
@@CrossForum My problem is that would entail making an entierly new entertinament center in my living room. And for me... much of it would be a waste, because 95% of what I watch is 4:3 programming.
I live in Denver (4 new channels) and use a Raspberry Pi with Hauppauge DualHD tuners to record ATSC 1.0 channels. Could you make a video about what's coming in PC tuner hardware & software for ATSC 3.0? Thanks!
I will make a video at some point on the ATSC 3.0 tuners in the future. There aren't many out there right now.
EXACTLY! ITS THE TUNERS! thats a thing is 'rabbit ears' still wpork, you just have to connect them to a digital tuner
Just curious how well it work if you have two sizable hills between you and the transmitter, as well as living in basically a Forrest.
I’m new to your channel but I have a question, (and I sub’d).. Do you think the FCC will ever open up a broadcast range for home video broadcasting or home FM/AM radio (audio only),or some other type of transmission for home audio broadcasters? I remember talking with the FCC in the 90s about the cost of licensing and it was about $100.000 a license for a cheap FM channel. Podcasting over radio, or live streaming video via broadcast would be interesting. Ever see it happening?
I doubt it just due to the popularity of wireless and all types of RF transmission these days. Back in the late 1970s my college had a student-run radio station that had a very low level signal that covered the campus; think something like construction site walkie talkies. That was based on FCC standards at the time that allowed very low power stations for educational and some non-profit services at the low end of the FM range, down around 88 IIRC (FM wasn't as popular as AM back then). I'm not sure if that FCC reg is still in place, I know the college I went to has expanded its station to a more powerful system and it is fully licensed.
Excellent info! 6:30 - Multipath interference - any in-line filters to help minimize?
I heard an attenuator can sometimes help with multipath but besides that it's hard to get rid of.
ATSC 3.0 is great it would be a big help since I have so many trees around and I heard it is great in moving environments like cars and buses. But it's not coming to the Philadelphia region for a little while so sadly I'm stuck with 1.0. But that's okay because I have a bunch of those old WinTV tuners in a PC that I use as a multimedia server that wont support 3.0 until I can get tuners that support it which who knows when that will be...
Edit: honestly I wish we can just all use DVB-T(2) for TV and DAB for radio instead of these weird standards.
DAB radio has terrible audio quality and pointless.
Yes, 1.0 is terrible if you have a lot of trees around.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 DAB isn't perfect. DAB+ has sound quality better than DAB and Hybrid Digital and with DVB-T2 Lite on the horizon which is expected to replace DAB+ for Radio then sound quality definitely won't be an issue since it will be on par with digital TV.
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Some very small differences , ATSC 3.0 is the same as
DVB-T (2) and variations of DVB.
And you are correct , DAB for radio is much better.
Should look at client devices (Roku, Shield, etc.) that fully support the ATSC 3.0 video/audio format (AC-4 seems to be limited in decoding by most Roku devices) when steaming from the HD HomeRun 4k. I was surprised to get no sound on my older Roku Ultra. My shield will pick it up, so at least one of my TVs I can see 3.0.
I didn't even think about that. I did hear about audio issues but thought it was related to the HDHomerun. What devices were you able to get audio from? I plan on connecting mine directly to a computer.
@@AntennaMan So far, I was successful in getting sound via my old PS4, Nvidia Shield TV, and HD Homerun app on my laptop. Rokus, none of them get sound. I assume it is the lack of being able to decode the AC-4 format. PS4 and Shield must have been updated to support it.
Edit: Correction, PS4 won't play it at all, I was using one of the 1.0 stations when I did the initial test. Oops.
I contacted the Next Gen TV website and told them that all the Virginia cities on their map can be condensed into one area. Most locals call it Hampton Roads anyway (This is from a 20 year native of that area). There are no other Virginia cities with ATSC 3.0 Currently or coming soon.
Sweet, my area and surrounding markets are getting it throughout this year.
Hola como se que estoy recibiendo señales atsc 3.0 nexgentv compre un tv SONY 2022 Y TRAE EL SINTONIZADOR 3.0 pero cuando autoprograme solo note la diferencia en 4 canales incluidos el audio muy superior a los demás pero no veo QUE digan nexgentv todo es igua a los demás cuando pongo la GUIA D TV.
Is PPV or any encrypted subscription allowed on ATSC 3.0 ??
Yes, see video below: th-cam.com/video/b8Ez3GFZnYw/w-d-xo.html
One of the stations in Oklahoma City is transmitting an ATSC 3 signal, and I was wondering if the translators this station has around the state should pass this signal as well, or will the translators need to be modified at some future date for these new signals. Thanks very much, great video as always
No, the translators are not outputting 3.0. It will be years before they are upgraded.
@@AntennaMan That’s what I thought. Thanks very much.
What is the relationship if any between OTA 4K and ASTC 3.0? Thanks!
See video below: th-cam.com/video/z6CebBGZ8Xc/w-d-xo.html
Thank so very much for the info. I do live in NYC which has a lot natural and unnatural deflection. Multi signal interference as well.
NYC is the worst for multipath.
Which is better Model 91XG Antennas Direct 70 Mile Range Yagi Directional UHF DTV Antenna, 4K or Model ANT751E 4K TV Antenna - RCA Outdoor Yagi Satellite HD Antenna with Over 70 Mile Range ? Do i need to buy a booster for the antenna like this one Winegard LNA-200 Boost XT HDTV Preamplifier, TV Antenna Amplifier Signal Booster, ?
It depends what you're trying to pick up. DO NOT GO BY THE RANGE. Those numbers mean nothing on an antenna. The 91XG is only UHF but does a great job. The ANT751 is a basic small directional antenna for VHF/UHF. It won't do well with weak stations. If you aren't sure which antenna to purchase consider an antenna recommendation from me at the link below. This can prevent you from spending hundreds of dollars and time wasted on setting up the wrong antenna for your area. antennamanpa.com/antenna-recommendations.html
So rural areas would get more channels? In central Kansas 16 channels with outdoor antenna.
It depends on what the broadcasters do down the road.
Will the ATSC 3.0 switch also include eliminating VHF channels altogether?
Doubtful. There's not enough room for TV stations to all move to UHF after the FCC sold channels 38-52 to cell phone companies.
Since Tyler mentioned about Low Power analog TV stations If you're still nostalgic about analog TV do what I tell you. Buy a HDMI to RCA converter and an RCA to RF converter (make sure the RF converter has VHF/UHF output frequency), and use your old CRT TV. My Mate VINCE has some videos on how to broadcast analog TV over the air. Of course it's more like a low power wireless CCTV.
Here are some of his videos:
1. th-cam.com/video/__AACj_EVpA/w-d-xo.html
2. th-cam.com/video/SAS19C1otCQ/w-d-xo.html
3. th-cam.com/video/F9SGv11f1dA/w-d-xo.html
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Whoa?
Will we have to eventually replace the ATSC 1.0 set altogether, or will we be able to buy an ATSC 3.0 tuner that can be plugged into our existing sets through A/V or HDMI inputs?
It’s mainly just about some corporation that had lots of money to invest so they can make tons of money off everybody out there it wouldn’t something we really needed it’s another way of putting a new business on the market just like they did with digital TV it’s money and politics they do it with your cell phone and computers every five years
They will probably be lower cost converter boxes in the coming months.
You'll be able to buy a converter box. Chances are the Big Four will still offer 1.0 services on high VHF over the coming decade or two, anyway.
I guess my two old Zinwells from 2009 will be retired in a few years. They had a good run!
What is changing from 1.0 and 3.0? Compare what was to what will be in less generalities!
1. Requires internet connection. 2. They will be able to encrypt and firewall what you can watch. Essentially turns free OTA TV into non-free cable delivered OTA, with partial connectivity via your internet connection. ATSC3 is the death of free OTA TV, as a paid internet connection is required... and they can then charge you a fee to decrypt and watch some or all of the stations.
2:17 It kind of sucks that the companies can get away with calling it an "HD" TV antenna. I guess there's some loophole in there somewhere that protects them.
Not sure if there's a loophole. I think the FTC just isn't doing their job like most government organizations.
@@AntennaMan They are worse than most agencies, only their B of CP or the CFPB is less effective.
I've contacted some of the TV stations in the Kansas City, MO & KS area & have heard that KSHB-TV & KMCI-TV, both owned by Scripps, are supposed to launch ATSC 3.0 in late Summer 2021.
Detroit's WXYZ/WMYD combo (also Scripps) has launched ATSC 3.0.
They're using the WMYD transmitter to broadcast all of the major network stations, while the WXYZ transmitter broadcasts WXYZ and WMYD.
You should do a video on stations actually taking advantage of 3.0 (like real 4K, 5.1 audio, etc.). Besides better reception it feels kinda meaningless.
No one's really doing 4K yet. We're a few years away from that.
What is fake 4K???
@@AntennaMan ...but Clear TV says you can get it with their antenna and the FTC lets them make that claim.
I wonder if any companies are going to make a standalone tuner that can hook up to the tv directly and have a dvr in it
They will at some point. We're still in the early stages of this standard taking off.
@@AntennaMan Very true I’m just hoping that when they do they’ll have it at a decent price point
ATSC is not a concept in Europe. I was wondering if you could make a video about European HD TV standards and projects ?