FCC Announces ATSC 1.0 Shut Down - How It Impacts Free Antenna TV
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I talk about the July 2027 sunset date for ATSC 1.0 recently set by the FCC. Rumors claim that free over the air TV in ATSC 1.0 as we know it will end in less than four years, requiring a new ATSC 3.0 or NextGen TV tuner. I address whether this is true or not and what the future of broadcast TV looks like.
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In case I did not make it clear in the video, the July 2027 deadline does NOT apply to most TV stations, and isn't forcing any of them to shut down. It simply states that the ONE station that launched ATSC 3.0 in a given market can shut down their ATSC 1.0 simulcasts if they chose to, which I do not expect them to.
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Welcome back Tyler does that mean I won't be able to watch my antenna no more if they switch to atsc 3.0 I'm on low income and I'm mentally disabled and I can't afford the new converter boxes I don't know what else to do about it why dont they leave it alone so we can get more channels
No over the air broadcaster should be allowed to lock anyone out of the public airways. If these corporations don't want to broadcast for everyone then let someone else have the right to do it. States should make it a felony to encrypt a local public over the air broadcast.
What would be the function of encryption of a free tv signal. Then free OTA TV might as well kiss itself goodbye.
@@RJDA.Dakota Making it so difficult that people will pay for it. Remember what we saw with password sharing restrictions?
If modern teens were smart, password sharing restrictions would be met with an increase in piracy instead of customers. Of course, kids would've also shut up about Z-library if they were smart.
People are cutting cable TV, so they found a way that people will eventually pay for over the air TV. People all along thought this was going to be free, just watch.
@@STONE69_this will backfire on them. People don't want to pay for the low quality content networks put out nowadays. They also can't afford it even if they wanted to as inflation is skyrocketing while the wages are stagnating.
I call it double-dipping. With cable/sat/streaming, you get all the commercials of the local station AND the retransmission fees associated with them. This needs to stop - and everyone should understand what's going on. SHARE that information with your neighbors - let them know that, once again, Nexstar, Sinclair, and the rest of the corporate local TV owners, are looking for another handout.
STOP THIS WHLE WE STILL CAN!
Great explanation. I’m at a major broadcaster working on the transition, and I think you are right about the 10+ year transition required. Remember in 1996 the “sunset” of analog was set for 2006, and it was pushed to 2009 ONLY after congress released Millions of dollars for consumers to buy subsidized set top boxes.
Analog should’ve lasted till like 2016. tons of people still had analog equipment well into the 2010s
@@9852323 We lost analog so the military could have the bandwidth
@@9852323 I couldn't agree more
Never underestimate the pervasive greed of planned obsolescence.
@WR3ND That is so funny you said that. I was just explaining planned obsolescence to someone today as it also applies to cell phones.
Apples mantra.
Right!
It is the most telling example of most every corporation's bull s**t on being "environmentally conscious" and other such PR "save the world" blather. They do not change their behavior, rather, they keep trying to accelerate velocity of the cheap stuff / services they provide (dilution/ erosion of quality) and continue to "grow" revenue when they rarely make the consumer experience better or simpler. In the age of high tech it has become how to add "layers", rent the product/service and legislate and regulate themselves forced migration to tech upgrades of minimal improvement to increase revenue by buying the politicians/ agencies making the rules.
I don’t even use OTA anymore but this channel still pops up on my feed every once in a while and I appreciate keeping up to date on some of the bigger news. Thanks for posting this video!
Good to see you back on the air!
Thanks Lon! I appreciate you covering some of the ATSC 3.0 stuff I missed when I was away. Definitely keep covering it, you do a really good job!
Why must they make watching television as much of an ordeal as humanly possible? And I’m not talking about the shows being bad, I mean the actual process of making sure your set is up-to-date and functional, and can actually show programs.
Because the networks would prefer that you pay for their channel on a cable, satellite, or streaming service. If you haven't noticed, every time things seem to settle, they mess around with it. For example, the DTV transition settled down then the FCC repack messed up reception for a lot of people. Now that's starting to settle, it's time to mess with things again. LEAVE IT ALONE!
At times I wonder... but maybe they really don't want OTA television as big xmit antennas and associated gear is expensive and the demographics of people that watch OTA is shrinking. At least from my perception only old people watch OTA. Sometimes I tune in, most of the programming seems pointless and waste of time. But then I'm an old guy so maybe I don't get it. But then all the commercials seem to focus on old people (weightloss pills, hair restoration, etc.)
@@AntennaMan then we no longer have free to air television in the United States for all intents and purposes.
Money
@@AntennaManWhy even bother with this then? Give the spectrum to wireless companies, let them use it for broadband services or something else that’s at least useful. If they’re going to be broadcasting encrypted streams then they’re literally wasting electricity and money. No one can receive the broadcasts!
The crazy thing is ATSC 1.0 works pretty darn good for most people and there is no need to upgrade. Even 4K adoption is stagnant at best and people watch 1080 content all the time happily
My thoughts exactly. Most people who cut the cord with an antenna are blown away by the picture quality of ATSC 1.0 because they're used to it being compressed on cable/satellite. Very few consumers are demanding ATSC 3.0. It's the big broadcast groups and executives that stand to make a lot of money off limiting how consumers can watch over the air TV.
ATSC 1.0 is trash. It's so freaking fragile. Breaks up in motion or multipath. It was picked mostly because a US based company was behind it. But that fell apart when they got bought by an overseas company.
1.0 is very hard to get for most people...think people in apartments.. Its definitely fragile also.
@@glynnetolar4423 well it still largely works. No it’s not NTSC but it still works when you’re home.
Maybe it's my eyes, but I can't really tell the difference between HD and 4K. I have the NESN 360 app so I can stream my Red Sox games. For some games, it offers the option to watch it in 4K. I have a 4K TV, so In tried this once. I honestly saw no difference, I switched it back to HD, why bother using more data for this?
What I did immediately see a difference in is the picture quality of cable vs. antenna. Huge difference, and this is with ATSC 1.0. ATSC 3.0 has been available in the Boston market for quite a while now, but since 1.0 works fine for me, I see no reason to change. Also, most of the channels are encrypted, anyway. So why bother?
It is interesting that coincidentally LG will stop shipping ATSC 3.0 tuners due to patent issues. Possibly Samsung joining them. Frankly, in light of DRM, I would be happy to see ATSC 3.0 die. We do not even have it in New York City. No free channels to put a full power station on. Thank the 600 MHz sale 🙄
Part of me would hate to see ATSC 3.0 die, but another part of me would be fine with it if it means the corporate suits who shoved DRM down our throats might be out of a job.
@@AntennaMan Public flogging!
@@AntennaMan This information needs to be shared with as many people as possible. Most people don't care or understand what's at stake... Until you remind them of their cable/sat/streaming bill. Start There.
New York city can't afford mistakes like ATSC 3.0. I like analogue. Bring it back.
"Frankly, in light of DRM, I would be happy to see ATSC 3.0 die"
Amen! but also b/c most OTA programming I have access to is only 720p. why all the fuss to transition to a higher-def capability when even the existing HD format isn't being used to the fullest extent?
and yes, DRM is a deal breaker, even for 480p!
Well informed video! For those of us who remember NTSC. The FCC mandated that color tv sets had to be backward compatible with Black and white. The old tube sets had a color killer circuit that could shut off the subcarrier to drop the color.
Anyway, fast forward to today. ATSC 3.0 (OFDM) format is not backward compatible with ATSC 1.0 (8VSB) format. Both modulation formats are very sophisticated in their own right. This requires ASICs in today's modern flat screen sets to display content. NO TV manufacturer wants to send out chips (and good thing) with a non-proven or adopted a technology that might not work. So as the young man (Antenna Man) says in the video. ATSC 1.0 will be around for a while.
We had to have a multisystem PAL/NTSC/etc tv and a multi-system vcr since we moved a bit and then some of the video tapes we had were either.
That's not quite true. Originally the FCC and the NTSC approved an incompatible colour system by CBS that used a spinning colour wheel to make colour. Luckily RCA plugged along designing a compatible colour system and CBS technology flopped as hard as RCA expected. Look up CBS Field-Sequential Color System for more info.
I mean, the 2009 digital transition from NTSC to ATSC already obsoleted any analog TV set without a converter box, so I don't think the FCC much cares for backwards compatibility at this point.
@@smcgamer1 So... you think the FCC should have kept analog TV going on forever?
@@stevethepocket Years ago, I would have said that DTV was obviously great and stuff... but these days, not so much. Sure, we get better picture quality and subchannels, but reception is now much worse, they keep selling off more and more of the UHF spectrum to cellular companies, and any converterless TV became e-waste on the switchover date.
I now think digital should have been something alongside analog, an optional upgrade, rather than a forced switchover.
What broadcaster's dont realize is that TV is not that important anymore. We switched to antenna 5 years ago. I only watch morning news and my wife will sometimes have whatever on for background noise. A large percentage of freinds, family and neighbors have switched to antenna and we all spend way more time hanging out and doing stuff. They make it harder to get tv and they will lose even more veiwers. Kinda dumb.
Yeah, that is true. I've never had cable really except for short periods and haven't turned on the overtheair TV as much in the last 5 years. I wasn't a big football fan, but would watch the local college ball occassionally,, now I don't at all since a lot of the games moved to cable only. Sometimes PBS has some interesting documentaries, but there isn't a lot on regular channels that is very good (really since all the reality TV).
Thing is tv will always be there the internet has token over with the streaming etc back in the 90s and even before then tv was a sense of importance
I remember when tv shows and tv stars were a big deal none of that exists in this era its like nothing matters anymore
I had cable from the early 90s til 2020 having cable in this era is stupid because one nothing is ever on Even with 300 plus channels and the world is just different and weird now
Ever since covid there's been this empty errie dark feeling across the world and like I can't shake this feeling as for tv the atmosphere of watching tv it's not there anymore
Well said, Tyler! Thanks for helping folks to understand the reality of the situation.
Take care and God Bless.
This is exactly what I wanted to comment- thank you for beating be to it!
Well said Tyler!
Your god doesn't exist. It's 2023, time to grow up and stop pretending imaginary sky daddies exist you cultist.
What a mess. I had high hopes for ATSC 3.0 just for better reception alone. And, it worked great for the 3 stations in the Pittsburgh market that were early adopters. I can't receive the WTAE/ABC 1.0 signal at all but the 3.0 signal was crystal clear until they went to to DRM. Fortunately, I can receive 2 other ABC 1.0 channels from central WV but they're about 110 degrees off access to the west, so I sometimes get pixilation during the day which will get better as the leaves fall. So, all I can say is...long live ATSC 1.0!! Maybe I'll put up a second antenna. Thanks for the information, Tyler. Always top notch! ~Frank
What a mess is right. It's a huge mess!
Keep up the great work Tyler!
Constantly changing rules and regulations is the constant in this day and age.
Thanks for keeping me updated on all the stuff around antenna broadcasting. I've been a cord cutter for 8 years now and use an indoor antenna in my apartment. Your info and coverage on things like how ATSC 1.0 isn't going away makes me confident that I can continue to enjoy over the air TV over the next several years.
I don't know much about all this, so I thank you for your time and dedication to gathering all the info and getting out there for all of us.
No problem!
You clarified the situation quite well. Thank you. I enjoy and learn from your channel.
I used Tyler's service to get a recommendation for an antenna. Best thing I ever did!!!!!!
Been a big supporter of you and Lon TV. Keep fighting for over the air tv we need our local news.
Thanks for informing us in a very understandable way on the future of ota broadcast issues. I was looking forward to purchasing a 3.0 tuner once the capability to record was offered. I use TiVo now and it looks like I’ll be sticking with them for the next few years. Again thanks for your excellent work in informing all cable cutters on what to expect.
This is really depressing! I have been waiting years for a good ATSC 3.0 DVR so I can cut the cord. My cable bill is getting insane, almost $150/month for basic cable and internet.
We are Tivo users too and have been wondering ever since the first talk of ATSC 3.0 if Tivo would upgrade hardware when 1.0 disappears or if the "new" Tivo company would fold. At least I know now that we're good for another few years. By then maybe another DVR will be available. Tivo for OTA was a huge factor in convincing us to go OTA and drop CATV.
Thanks Tyler for all your great information. I will keep watching my OTA channels here in Chicago area with my current LCD TV which I know does not have ATSC 3.0. Hopefully ATSC 1.0 will be around the rest of my lifetime which I am 74 years old and not have to worry about any changes unless my TV dies.
Thanks and take care.
Good update info. I've been disillusioned with this whole ATSC 3.0 system the more I dig into it. Huge potential for the big broadcast media companies but they don't seem to see the potential beyond squeezing a few more pennies today vs more dollars in the future and leave consumers the losers. Like you said, I'll wait for the mess to be sorted out. FWIW - I popped into my local Best Buy store midweek when they were slow and asked about the Nextgen/ATSC 3.0 TVs they had. Only two folks had any knowledge of it, they mentioned they didn't have any in the store that were aware were compatible with that standard yet, but their corporate keeps telling the "its coming.".
Best Buy and knowledge go together like Military and Intelligence.
With Best Buy, you need to do all your research ahead of time and know exactly what you want when you go in there. Nobody in there is any big electronics expert.
The NextGen TVs I've seen online are very expensive, most well over $1,000. I wouldn't pay that much for any TV.
Thank You Tyler for all You do . . . . one of the VERY FEW useful TH-cam Channels.
Take Care Boss !!!
Well said man. Even I knew it would be years and years until ATSC 3.0 becomes a standard. Also even with normal cable TV there is very few channels that support 4K resolution. Same thing Applies with Next Gen TV.
No ASTC station can support 4K broadcasting. It would take EIGHT CHANNELS on your TV to handle the data stream, and few cable companies (I worked for Cox) send a TRUE 720P signal to your house to cut costs on re-building their "pole amps" and replacing 40 year-old coax on poles with fiber optic cable and rebuilding their base operations for fiber.
@@Walkercolt1 Oh ok. Thanks for sharing. I figured that the reason why there wasn't 4K TV or if there was at all (because I thought there was some 4k TV like with sports because when HDTV was first implemented sports was the 1st to get it.) was because of the technology and how old the cabling for TV and it would cost a lot to replace it all and its not worth it because TV is good enough at 720p or 1080i/p for viewing it.
Will ATSC 3.0 be an improvement for VHF channels 2-6?
If not, the FCC should let 2-6 go back to analog.
I agree with this ..VHF and UHF should be Analogue.. .than Digital should be on the internet!!!
Why wouldn't ATSC 3.0 be an improvement for VHF?
I knew we were in trouble when I started seeing issues with them using Dolby AC4, a closed source audio codec, with patents lasting decades into the future. There was absolutely no reason to not go with something open. Now DRM and additional patents outside of the patent pool exist? I never went from being excited about a new technology to actively wanting it to fail so quickly.
Thanks for setting the record straight, Tylor. Much appreciated!
Very good clarification. I wish the FCC would sunset the DRM encryption.
They have the power to. Instead, they are just sitting on their butts not doing anything about it.
ATSC 4.0 should be all open source code even if it is not the best code and no DRM.
I'm glad for 3.0 encryption. I also wish they would encrypt 1.0 and cable. Encrypt all the Geico commercials. Encrypt the telemarketers and encrypt my car insurance bill.
@@stanleybest8833 I hear YAH!
@@stanleybest8833 all puff and no love.
When my cable bill started creeping up to $75/month, I kicked cable to the curb years ago, and went back to regular broadcast TV. With that, I discovered how much I WASN'T missing on cable. And even then, I discovered how much I didn't care to watch, even on regular TV. Now, on the rare occasion when I do watch TV, I typically turn it off after one clicker round through the stations. Nope, still NOTHING worth watching on ye olde boob tube. There's a reason they call it "programming," you know???
I fully agree with you. No good reason to watch. I haven’t knowingly watched or listened to a advertisement in years. I think the only reason TV still exists is boomers that don’t understand nobody is watching anymore and pay for their advertising to get on air.
You're right. Television is almost never worth watching even when it's free. I can't understand why anyone would pay for it. (Especially when TH-cam has billions of movies, shows & videos) It's like paying for smog (or cigarettes or booze)
@@Fred-mp1vf youtube and the open seas, and even youtube is becoming greedy as hell.
Utube is soon going to pay to watch..bye bye utube
MTV and its sister stations are all good. All other stations are crap (mainly for they do not broadcast the programming they were set up for).
This was a good video. We hardly watch OTA TV or TV in general, but I like knowing that it is there! For example, when there is an internet or power outage. I recently had some computer problems and was able to turn on the TV for entertainment, news, and background noise for a few days while I repaired it.
Good call and thanks for the info. I do not have a 4k TV and I can get most of the channels I want to watch. Some I have to move the Antenna I get a over 40 channel. Watch about 8. You really cleared up a lot of concerns I have. Most of the shows I watch was created in 480p. Other than upscaling the other standards do not really matter that much to me. I just do not want to see them scrambled. I think that is dangerous do to the weekly emergency broadcasting test. One just happened a few minutes ago. If something bad was happening I feel that would be dangerous for the public for OTA channels to be scrabbled.
Changes in the technical aspects of access free over-the-air TV sound a lot like forcing the adoption of EVs in spite of their elimination of a great percentage of customers who would prefer gasoline engines. TV broadcast stations won't care if they are mandated out of a broadcast technology.
Broadcast TV stations would love to be mandated out of the over the air business. They prefer that people pay for their channel on a cable, satellite, or streaming service anyway. However, the FCC is suppose to protect us from this kind of corruption. Hold a broadcast license? BROADCAST a signal that's open to the public free from encryption. Want DRM encryption? Start a streaming service a lose the benefits of a broadcast license (like must carry and retrans from cable/satellite/streaming)
When ATSC 3.0 was still wet clay, there weren't enough people working to counter media company lobbiests. It's out of the kiln now, and we've got what we've got.
We have ATSC 3.0 here in Charlotte. The Sony TV I just bought is equipped with ATSC 3.0 it's a hot tuner performing better than our TiVo Romeo. The advantage of ATSC 3.0 is the station hosting it is closer to us. Thanks for your always informative videos.
Great video, tyler! Let's hope the FCC stops this stupid idea of implementing DRM in ATSC 3.0 before the ATSC 1.0 signals voluntarily shut down. We don't need EVERYTHING to be Pay-to-play.
If that happens, many people will turn to piracy.
Lots of folks already run KODI with the appropriate add-ons to get worldwide programming for free
not even those blah-bastards in the house and senate are inclined to get involved.
Broadcast TV is the way many people, especially elderly on a tight budget get information about the world around them. I realize that the 3.0 may be better, but the government getting involved in possibly causing the denial of access to TV signals to people just seems un-American.
That's one of my concerns, too. There will be no coupons for the ATSC 3.0 tuners like there were for the analog to digital converter boxes back in 2009. There aren't even any decent affordable tuners yet, except for that ADTH one, which requires an active internet connection to use. That will price out people who can't afford internet.
Thank you.
@@christinemurphy7683Such a shame. My dad will never figure this out and I'll be stuck holding the bag as I age out of this too (I'll be 50 in 2027). 😢
Sadly, and that 'information' is right wing biased and used to gaslight old people all day. it would be a kindness to the old people and benefit the country if it went awsay.
@@christinemurphy7683The only thing those coupons did is make sure the price of the converters went up by 50 bucks over what it otherwise would have been.
Subsidies ALWAYS increase the real cost of a thing.
Absolutely the best information on the subject that I have been able to find. Thanks!
If the DVRs require an internet connection for ATSC 3.0, that'll kill a huge market. People living in rural areas do not have access to internet, don't want it, or don't want to pay for something like Starlink. They watch OTA TV, and that's it. Requiring a internet connection will really hurt a lot of people, and that's my issue with it. Personally, I do not want an internet connection with it, and I do not want it "spying" on me. I just want to watch TV, nothing more, nothing less. I'm hoping ATSC 3.0 is great, though.
So far, there isn't even a DVR available that works with DRM encryption on ATSC 3.0. The most we have is the ADTH tuner with no DVR that requires an internet connection to decode DRM encrypted channels on ATSC 3.0.
@@AntennaMan Glad to hear. We'll see what the future holds, though! It's an exciting but nervous time for OTA nerds! 🤣
worse yet is a3sa is now requiring all atsc 3.0 tuners that tune in encrypted atsc 3.0 channels have an expiry date baked into their firmware with no reauthorization.
Thank you for a great explanation. I believe that encryption will be a death blow for ATSC3. Too bad we can't get agreement on almost anything in this country. I agree with other comments in that encryption should not be allowed on the public airwaves.
I guess I'm hanging on to my picture tube HDTV for at least another 15 years then. 150 pounds, a beautiful picture, but 1080i only. Plays video games perfectly. RCA perfection.
I thought the government was good at messing things up then these corporations said "hold my beer".
hold your butt in the air during a thunderstorm.
We stopped cable about 5 months ago and it took about 3 weeks to get use to free tv. We have saved enough money that it helped on vacation. I just wish i knew someone like you that knew how to install a whole house antenna in the attic.
Keep in mind that its not the networks that won't be doing the right thing. Its the affiliate station owners. The networks wouid rather cut them out and provide regionally targeted streams of their programming to viewers so their content is viewed and not subject to carriage dispute blackouts.
Actually, today the station owners are just as bad as the networks, as most stations are owned by 3-5 companies, or their shell companies that exist to get around FCC rules (Sinclair/Nexstar)
They, not the networks are the ones who chose to place DRM onto their signal, and don't really care about their ATSC 1.0 viewers.
The Reason? $$$ Stations rake in MASSIVE amounts of cash from cable/satellite/streaming services, with advertising only bringing in a fraction of the revenue, and it's the STATIONS, not the networks who engage in the blackouts of your local station.
Thanks, pal. I tell people today over the air TV where available will save you the average $78.58 to $200.00 on cable, the average is $129.00, which includes internet and streaming services. These bills are big and In this economy that can make a huge difference in your and your family's quality of life.
An antenna is a no brainer, yet most people still don't use one. That's why I work so hard on my TH-cam channel. Sure, I'm technically paid for it, but I really want to spread awareness about free over the air TV and help people cut the cord. I basically did it for free for a year before my TH-cam channel was monetized.
This information is good to know. Thanks for the update.
The bigger question is: Will local channels survive the loss of broadcast TV fees collected from cable and sat cos as people flee those services and will ATSC3 have a role to play in that?
They survived for decades before giant media companies bought them out.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s, nobody had cable, everybody had antennas. In New York City, we had a whopping 7 VHF channels, and a few UHF channels that we never watched because there was nothing good on them. I was the remote, and I had to learn how best to position the rabbit ears for each channel, plus I knew when to use aluminum foil to improve the signal. All of these channels survived just fine, and back then, they had fewer commercials per hour than they do now. And no retransmission fees from cable companies and the like.
Also. the programming was better back then. Now it's all cheaper to make reality show crap on the main networks. Most of the value I get from an antenna are the subchannels that show the old stuff from when TV was good. They produced better content with less money. Now it al all about corporate greed.
@@christinemurphy7683 Yes I am on Long Island and I remember 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 (ABC New Haven), 9, 11 and 13. UHF was hard to receive and was all PBS or Spanish: 21, 25, 31, 41 and 47.
100% correct & true. TV today is pure shit.@@christinemurphy7683
Yes, they can survive again but it takes a certain minimum number of viewers. The real danger is if people don't cut the cord and there are not enough OTA viewers to pay for maintaining the tower and transmitter. Stations could decide to just port their 4K content to cable, vs. broadcasting in ATSC 3.0 and give up their license, and and let Cable deliver the content to consumers.
But doing so puts the cable corporations back firmly in the driver seat. These are broadcasting companies and their intent is to actually broadcast, but the public has to support OTA television. Years ago WWLP in Springfield Mass set up another station in the northern part of Mass, serving largely a rural area. Then cable came to the small towns and everyone jumped on cable, which didn't carry that station. That station never ran a profit. There was no studio, it was basically a relay transmitter but if you don't have enough viewers to attract advertisers, you eventually go dark, which is what happened. You have to have the OTA viewers to make ATSC 3.0 work. It CAN work if viewers will support it vs. cable.
This is why analog should have never been killed, but no one cared because it was "old". Ignore you could easily pick up analog signals on any TV and on radios in emergencies.
Analog was great, it was my own eyes that decided when the picture was too weak to watch, not some arbitrary digital cliff in the receiver.
Right👍
Thank you for keeping us updated and informed 🙏🏻👍🏻
"Hot Mess" : something the FCC is capable of creating at any time without notice.
FCC MUST GO.
THIS AGENCY IS A JOKE, AND TRIES TO FORCE ITSELF WITHOUT LEGAL AUTHORITY.
FCC RULES ARE NOT LAWS, STOP ASSUMING THEY CAN ENFORCE THEIR WILL, THEY HOLD NO JURISDICTION, ILLEGAL USURPATION TO FINE PEOPLE BY EXTORTION AND FRAUD.
GOVERNMENT PROTECTS GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS OVER THE PESKY PEOPLE.
Good, thanks! And yes, I did see that video from Lon too. I'll keep my eyes on both of your channels for continued updates.
I tried an ATSC3.0 TV Tuner card and HDHomeRun only to learn the ATSC3.0 audio encoding is incompatible with Linux clients...so you have zero sound with the new signals. Until they figure out how to fix the audio codecs its dead in the water to me.
Your comment about reception is key. I live about 70 miles south of Tampa and could barely pick up stations with a huge, outdoor long range antenna. Now, I can pick up very strong signals with the ATSC 3.0 stations using only a $30 attic antenna and HDHomeRun Flex. But CW had encrypted at startup, and in August, ABC followed suit.
What is the point of encryption? I guess I'm not up to date on all of this, are they requiring you to pay a subscription to view over-the-air broadcasts? Or is it just that you have to have "approved" receivers?
Analog TV should Never have been forced off the air.
Digital should heve been Only an option.
Further advancements MUST remain strictly optional,
implemented only when there are enough viewers to support them.
...because that worked so well for AM stereo. Standards change is impossible like that, no matter how good the alternatives are.
What I didn't like at the time is that they still allowed companies to sell the analog tvs when they already had a phase in date for digital, because a lot of people weren't aware of it.
No wonder they don’t actually make TV sets in this country anymore!
@@Attmay But... they did the exact same thing in the countries that DO make TVs.
@@ironfist7789 That would have left retailers with an awful lot of unsellable TVs.
Where I am at we used to be able to pick up lots of stations reliably with rabbit ears and a loopty loop on the set back in the 60s to pre digital. . Now an indoor antenna can hardly get a reliable picture all the time in the same area.
I'm also still skeptical of the coverage - for ATSC1.0 to come in mostly-reliable, I had to get multiple DB16 high gain directional antennas, and stack 2 of them phased pointed at the city about 50 miles away up in the attic. With old analog TV we could pick up the 2 nearest cities with just rabbit ears in the bedroom.
Part of the issue was when they switched to digital they dropped the transmitter power. Which is why you needed larger antenna if you were very distant from the broadcaster. Doubly so if you were not in their intended (by the FCC) broadcast market.
I live 15 miles from an big 3 o & o transmitter and have trouble picking it up. I dropped all tv after that. Internet only.
Before they did this, I picked up an 8-bay antenna for $15 at a yard sale. I moved into my own place and had cable for a while. But I hated spending $80/month for stuff I didn't want or like just to get a handful of channels I did like. So I cut the cable. My 8-bay antenna pulls through trees of the local antennas on a mountain. I get 48 channels. Not the best quality. But good enough for free.
That's odd. My uncle lives 47 miles from the towers here and his big Yagi gives him flawless reception.
@@scottlarson1548 you did note the initial comment was "rabbit ears in the living room" used to give them good reception. Now they need reasonably high gain directional antennas. The big Yagi's are high gain directional antenna, and yes, the one I'm using also does great on the tower 50 miles away. But we're probably both in reasonably rural markets without multiple overlapping urban markets within 100 miles of us, so the tower can also pump out a little additional power as interference from adjacent markets is less of a concern where we are.
Anyone remember AM Stereo? How about AMax? The FCC has no business regulating the technical standards of broadcasting.
It is a dated relic of the great depression. It’s time for it to go.
I recall quadrophonic stereo broadcasting simultaneously on two stereo FM stations.
Thank you for the clarification. Not enough people are covering this specific type news. I feel that OTA sugnals are a God-given right, as crazy as that sounds.
Nice to have you back Antenna Man. We missed you. 👍🏻
here in Australia we are implementing the better DVB-T2 system from what i ve read atsc 3.0 is plagued with problems on weaker signals ; also What are the benefits of DVB-T2?
In summary, the DVB-T2 transmission system has significant advantages in terms of picture quality, sound quality, data capacity, reception and compatibility. Its superior technology means users can expect a better viewing experience even in areas with weaker signals, over atsc 3,0
we haven't had the dvb-t2 yet on this side of the ditch in new zealand, hopefully we get info if we transition to that standard because i will need to get a new hd homerun box as well as see if my tv support dvb-t2 or not
We had DVB-T here in Europe (Germany) too. Reception wasn't that great but all channels were FTA including private and public channels. A few years ago, they switched over to DVB-T2 standard which means that all the DVB-T receivers became useless immediately. And private channels are encrypted now, public channels are still FTA. But most of the people here use satellite or cable TV (plus you see more IPTV customers), but DVB-T2 is rare and the coverage is kinda poor.
In numbers: Sat: 45 %, Cable: 41,9 %, Internet: 9,9 %, Terrestrial: 4,3 %
@@theNWdigital Cable failed here in Australia ; Satellite has around 5 per cent if that and then it is only Sky/ Fox. Net has 2 nd biggest after terrestrial
Old tech is the best tech. No matter what they say I will never forget spending my weekends as a child adjusting rabbit ears on game day and boxing nights. Long live rabbit ears!
Yeah, I remember well the transition to DTV. We live in a valley surrounded by low mountain ranges in S.W. Oregon.
Prior to the transition, we got 3 stations out of Medford, OR. about 90 miles away. We had some "ghosting" and "snow", but afterwards with a converter box we got very spotty reception on one channel with random pixelation ( 5, KOBI ) about 20% of the time if conditions were perfect, usually got nothing. This with a 12' beam antenna with rotor and signal amplifier on a 30' pole.
We rural folk got screwed because of this and the options after that was to go satellite or give up and settle for a radio and DVD's for the TV.
If we lived closer to town we could get a higher data rate for internet, but where we are the best you can get is 3 to 6mbp's over ADSL unless you go with satellite internet. No fiber for you!
I live in one of the wealthiest areas in the nation. Relatively close to NYC. It is incredibly difficult to pick up DTV. A good friend of mine is a HiFi installer and he's always had awful luck with DTV as well. I haven't watched OTA television since the Iraq war.
My conspiracy theory is that the DTV transition was pushed to force people to buy cable. I miss analog TV a lot. There used to be good programming and local news. I remember seeing my apartment on the TV at the local pizzeria because some diggers hit a natural gas line. You could actually see the gas spraying into the air from the helicopter.
Atsc 3.0 just isn't in demand by the general public. It's the better standard in most ways, but the costs outweigh the benefits.
Thank you for the objective appraisal of the ATSC 3.0 solution.
I will continue to exercise to build up the strength need to take my TV out to the curb. I am not hooking my TV or converter box to the internet. I am not going to buy a new TV. They have made a giant mess of ATSC 3.0 and I don't watch much TV so there is no point in my investing in new hrdware.
People don’t realize pay OTA TV has been around since at least the 1940’s. It gets tried about every 15-20 years and never seems to catch on.
Thanks Tyler for changing your mind in this new format. I could tell from the beginning that this ATSC3 business was bad news. I have my Tablo and am perfectly happy with my antenna setup. I don’t need or want any of these “innovations”.
Great to see you again Tyler! You are spot on. It's going to be a while before ASTC 3.0 is available across the country. Do you think big companies like Nexstar, Sinclair, and Gray are looking forward to upgrading transmitters and other equipment in markets 100+? Not. At. All. It will be a while before my local stations even come close to upgrading.
Drm encryption is not an issue if you have the right set-top box I purchased the one from ADTH . You can even record from it if you have a captured card.
Correct
Hdcp is not enabled on the adth box currently. Also video encoders seem to work better for that situation.
@@timbo303official9 so far my video capture card is working just fine.
The change to digital(ATSC 1.0) has ruined OTA completely. And I truly think that is the plan. When I grew up in a small rural town I watched TV from the big city 60 miles away. We had a roof top antenna but it was possible to pick up some channels using rabbit ears inside the house. When they switched to ATSC my friends who still live there could not pick up anything at all even with their roof top antennas. NOTHING! BLANK! They are completely dependent on paying for cable service. Frankly I think the cable companies pushed digital OTA because they knew it would increase their business. And now they are threatening to make radio also digital. Even after the disastrous performance of the FM radio digital sub channels. I think what they are trying to do is completely cut off the rural areas from OTA anything.
I currently live only 20 miles from the big city. I used to pick up everything NTSC with inside rabbit ears. Now I must have a roof top antenna to get anything at all. And reception is poor. And only by the shear luck of my house position on a slight hill am I able to get anything with an outside antenna. My next door neighbors are 15 feet lower and no outside antenna can get anything for them. The high frequency near-microwave signals can't get through the foliage of the trees.
My friends who live in the city 2.5 miles from the towers can pick up the channels but they often "fade". But "fade" is not a good term because with digital the signal just goes blank. With NTSC we could tolerate fading because the picture would degrade but you could still hear the audio since it's broadcast signal was separate and more robust. But with ATSC the audio and video are both on the same stream so when one goes so does the other. And choppy audio is just intolerable.
BUT living in the city is no solution since the towers are scattered all around them. And our big city has lots of hills. And these digital signal are mostly line of sight. So an omni doesn't get good enough signal. You must have a directional antenna and point it at the tower a mere 2.5 miles away. The perils of living in a city that is the piedmont of the mountains. So you have to rotate it 150 degrees to get another tower. AND the stupid TVs do not support rotating antennas. You have to scan for channels again. But a rescan deletes the previously found channels.(I have one very old TV that supports keeping the previously found channels.) So every time you rotate you have to spend 5 or even 10 minutes enduring a scan. So one show ends on one channel, you rotate the antenna and you miss 5 or 10 minutes of the next show on another channel while waiting for the rescan. My friends solution is to have 3 TVs. All on the same antenna. BUT they have to be careful not to turn the TV on before the antenna is rotated because the stupid software in the TV automatically deletes channels that have weak signals and the only way to get them back is to rescan. It all works so poorly that they gave up and bought cable. 2.5 miles from the towers was no solution for them.
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No doubt there was a loss of service to a lot of rural homes with analog was shut down. I fear the same thing might happen with ATSC 3.0 since broadcasters can choose a weaker signal in favor of more bandwidth to lease out for subchannels or other services.
I agree all of this new engineering was NEVER done with people who actually watch DTV!! High power UHF DTV station today broadcasts with 1M watts or less. Years back it was 2M watts and sometimes greater. The upper limit for UHF power was actually 5M watts. Most of the reception problems are due to lower transmitting power coupled to a very poor ATSC standard. Either the engineers completely failed or it was deliberate.
Thank you for keeping us updated with this matter Tyler.
Thank you Tyler for your hard work & effects. In NYC, ABC broadcast seem fine during non-prime hours. At 7PM, the signal corrupts. I have been following Disney. Cable companies pay them huge fees for their broadcast channels. During the US Open, ESPN, ABC & Disney channels went dark. Disney demand a huge increase from Spectrum. As important, Disney plan to purchase Hulu + Live TV . The Ferengi 45th Rules of Acquisition says "Expand or Die'" & their Rule 10 "Greed is eternal". Does Robert Iger follow these "Rules of Acquisitions?
I've had problems with cbs2 and nbc4 during evening hours. Brief bouts of pixelation
he must be, like the energizer bunny it keeps going and going and...
Government and “voluntary” never mix.
Tell me you're a libertarian without telling me that you're a libertarian.
At this point i would rather stick with atsc 1.0...nothing but greed with this atsc 3.0 BS
Same here. It's sad because the better reliability of ATSC 3.0 could benefit a lot of people but it's now plagued with DRM. I'll take less reliable ATSC 1.0 that's 100% open and can be picked up with any receiver compared to the closed ecosystem of tuners full of restrictions on ATSC 3.0
Thanks for the video. I see the ATSC internet connection requirement as a non-starter.
Analog was better. I didn't pay cable
Analog was better for weak signal areas because it was more forgiving when the signal dropped. ATSC 1.0 is better for good signal areas because we now get 3-4 times the channels.
@@AntennaMan I live at zip code 49093.
They say I could pick up my michigan station.
I can only pick up Indian stations.
I can't get wwmt3 cbs &(cw7) Kalamazoo michigan
I do get WLLA 46 (80%)
wndu 16 nbc 50/50
WSBT 22 cbs/Fox 50/50
WSJV 28 H&I 50/50
This stuff does not work.
Works real good at night.
Still using cable can't we get much anything else.
youtube.com/@armron94
After the changeover to digital many stations cut power and made the signal more unreliable.
Thanks for the info. Looking forward to your review of the new Tablo tv that came out last month.
Why do you think advertisers would be furious with ATSC 1.0 shutdown when they seem to be fine with ATSC 3.0 encryption, which restricts access to many customers in order to "fight piracy"? Also, Tablo states that ATSC 3.0 encryption keys cannot be updated OTA or via firmware; they must be factory installed. What is to stop encryption keys from being changed yearly or biyearly, so consumers would need to purchase new hardware each time the encryption keys change?
Advertisers probably don't know about DRM encryption. I considered sending a letter to ad agencies with a list of TV stations that added encryption. They would demand a partial refund and I bet you that DRM would be turned off real quick. However, I am concerned the networks might sue me for slander. I already had one lawsuit threatened against the channel in the past. Don't want another.
Follow the money. Big TV Corporations control the FCC.
* ATSC 4.0 should be all open source code even if it is not the best code and no DRM.
@@AntennaMan You can send anonymous letters or emails, or ask not to have your name revealed (or just use a pseudonym.) And one cannot be sued for slander for stating raw facts; any attempt should be able to get tossed right out when it is demonstrated to be 100% fact.
Been off cable for 10 years now and won’t look back because television media content just plain sucks so this family only tunes into sports broadcasts because the internet is way more interesting lol. Thank you Tyler for making our reception better with your thoughtful insights over the years.
the idea that ota tv may require an internet connection is just plain wrong
I baught a Marathon Plus CA-2600 Antenna I have to have an indoors antenna ; i rent. It 's due in today. I will let everyone know how it works out. I want to thank you Mr. Antenna Man I have been watching your videos for years there is no way i could ever pay you enough for all the knowledge you have given me over the years. Thank You I will continue to watch and learn.
If you're using an indoor antenna, make sure to use a signal meter as a guide to find the best location for it. See video below: th-cam.com/video/1_Cy08x5qeY/w-d-xo.html
Also, the majority of new TV's being sold do not have 3.0 like you said....that would piss off MILLIONS of customers.
@@Crystal_Palace LOL That is what I meant ..
Tyler is a GOOD AMERICAN ! 🇺🇸
I worked in tv stations for over 40 years before retiring. The FCC has long been trying to kill OTA television. Expect the sunset to become mandatory, regardless of ATSC 3 penetration.
Does not surprise me .
You are indeed correct. They have been trying to kill off OTA TV for decades. This may actually do it, considering the present environment.
Boycott the fcc then.
The cable company got their hand so far up the FCC's hoo-hah that they're almost just a puppet
Good information, thanks. The one ATSC channel I record I use the 1.0 broadcast because it works and isn't encrypted like several of the local 3.0 here did. So far my Silicon Dust first run 3.0 tuner hasn't gotten the drm update yet but they are working on it. My 2022 Sony 8k TV has the drm built in to the tuner so I ran a splitter to feed the 4k tuner and my TV and so far everything works till the crap amplified antenna I bought for the Silicon Dust breaks, then I'll get a better antenna and mount it on the roof.
Did you hear that LG announced it will no longer be putting ATSC 3.0 tuners in their TV's because of a patent dispute? They were only including it in their high end ranges anyway, but now we might never see them in any LG TV.
Happy to see you again my friend. Thanks for the info.
By 2027 I imagine the OTA people will have doubled given todays's cable and streaming costs just going higher and higher. I wonder how that will play into corporate greed as they have to monetize anything good.
I have a few predictions. They might use ATSC 3.0 to make it as hard as possible to receive the signal (through limited tuners, weaker PLP), limit recording/timeshifting, or reduce picture quality to drive people to streaming services for the HD or 4K.
Cable will be gone sooner than folks think. It's a sinking ship and yes ota is gaining more everyday.
@@dmo848in my area Spectrum is already repositioning itself as an internet provider instead of a cable company.
ota is dying. Gen Z by one survey is willing to spend hundreds to get streaming. The average age of network tv shows is 65 (think NBC, ABC)@@dmo848
Very interesting, thank you. You actually read the doc. Well done.
Any comment on LG dropping inclusion of a Next Gen tuner in all their 2024 televions and newer after determining a patent fee they have to pay is to much?
No comment as Lon.TV already made a video on the topic. Go on his TH-cam channel to see it. No reason to make duplicate videos.
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Does it remember Captain midnight from 1986?
Something tells me captainmidnight might reappear
All DTV TECHNOLOGY MAKES IT VERY HARD for any group in a time of civil unrest to setup a "freedom" station on current TV standards. With the analog system the channels were preset and available on all tuners. Today with digital transmitters out there, one must place their TV's into a scan or program mode to search for stations that might try broadcasting info for people who live in a country with an oppressive government. Way too much control of the airwaves.
Most TVs that I have seen can still pickup analog broadcasts. There is one in Spanish that is sometimes picked up, albeit snowy, when I do an auto scan which looks for both digital as well as analog OTA signals.
They just need to leave it alone. ATSC 1.0 works just fine.
Over the course of the last 8 years (since college) I've worked for two major national broadcast companies. My opinion is this: ATSC 3.0 is just a revisit of failed 1.0 technologies. Mobile/Handheld: broadcast it, then discontinued. MPEG-4 AVC codec: broadcast it, then discontinued. (Actually, ShopLC affiliates in some markets are MPEG-4 to this day) Encrypted: broadcast it, discontinued. The only real advantage is the new modulation scheme and acceptance of H.265. I'm not 100% sure on the 1.0 spec, but perhaps 4k HEVC is permissible or could be amended to the 1.0 spec. Also in my opinion, perhaps a strategy to success would be premium or specialized content such as what satellite radio is to cars and cable/internet is to movies.
ATSC 4.0 should be all open source code even if it is not the best code and no DRM.
@@AAa-qd8hb Alternatively the FCC should be able and willing to seize ownership of codec patents through eminent domain. EDIT: I just looked it up and according to USC Section 1498 (passed 1949), the government has the right to do that.
Thanks for setting the record straight
As long as they don’t shutdown ATSC 1.0 for smaller stations, because as much I like ATSC 3.0, I don’t want them to phase out the independent stations! Especially if the FCC allows DRM on broadcasters, I’m watching free OTA because of no internet connection required!
The PBS station that serves NW Indiana won't be able to switch to ATSC 3.0 anytime soon, because unlike WTTW, WYIN, or Lakeshore PBS as most people in NW Indiana know them as, doesn't get the same funding as WTTW. WTTW is in Chicago, and has their signal on the Sears Tower. WYIN tried to locate their digital signal in Chicago in 2003, only to realize that to lease space on the Sears Tower, or even the John Hancock building, would cost too much, and had to locate their digital signal at their current Tower site South of Cedar Lake Indiana. So they only cover the south suburbs of Chicago and NW Indiana. The repack now makes their station ineligible for relocating to a Chicago skyscraper, after the FCC placed WBME-CD in Milwaukee Wisconsin on the same RF channel of 17, as WYIN TV. Had WBME had an -LD instead of-CD, WBME would have been displaced, if WYIN were able to locate their signal in Chicago. They want to find a way to locate in Chicago, to provide chicagoans a second choice for PBS, after the original WYCC went off the air in 2016.
@@davenwin1973 PBS stations can’t overlap each other, because there’s complicated rules between the owners of the smaller stations and the big metropolitan stations.
@Markimark151 what do you mean by PBS stations can't overlap each other. The Chicago market used to have 2 PBS stations in Chicago, and one in NW Indiana. Now, it's just one in Chicago, and one in NW Indiana, licensed to Gary Indiana. Gary's part of the Chicago market. As for when WYIN originally applied to locate their antenna in Chicago, WTTW and the original WYCC objected to the FCC, on the grounds that WYIN has their city of license in Gary Indiana, while WTTW and WYCC are (WYCC were) licensed to Chicago, and have to pay full price for programming, while WYIN gets a discount on the same programming. The FCC approved WYIN's request to locate their antenna in Chicago in 2003. As I said before, the cost was too much for WYIN to locate in Chicago, and they located the digital signal at the current site. It was put in their updated application as to why they changed their location. I do wonder if WYIN might have been able to afford to locate on the Aon Center. That building only has 1 radio station antenna, and 1 or 2 low power TV stations on that building.
@@davenwin1973 because PBS wants to have one flagship station in a particular market, when I used to live in San Francisco Bay Area, there were three PBS stations, KQED in SF and KTEH San Jose, and a smaller one KCSM which was later disaffiliated from PBS due to close proximity from KQED, and when they improved signal in San Jose, they bought KTEH to continue affiliation with PBS and share their revenue and programming!
This man always has great information and I certainly appreciate him letting us know what's going on and explaining everything the way he does.
Thank you so much for explaining it to everyone.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the real news!
It'll be nice, that I'll have time, to decide whether I want to invest in a new Tivo in the future.
I'd say, in the near future, companies like Tivo, will be rolling out new equipment, with hopefully a new version, that adds extra tuners, for multiple recording of more than two channels at once.
When I first cut the cord, I got an old Tivo, that had 4 tuners, it was awesome!
Problem is, it was used, and quickly failed.
I have the newest Tivo, but unfortunately, it only supports two channel recording.
It can be a pain, especially when there's three or more shows I want to record at the same time.
I'm also looking forward to the new 4K features in the new format.
This doesn't sound much different than HD radio in your car. In reality it's going to have to be open-source not patent wars.
I didn't even think about the issue HD Radio had with patents. ATSC 3.0 seems to have the same issue. At this point, there is literally ONE "NextGen certified" set top box that works with DRM encryption - and it has to be connected to the internet in order to do so!
@@AntennaMan HD radio was just a poor launch and their has not been any phase out of the analog FM. It's been available for years, but still no cutoff. It's just another example of putting the cart before the horse and now the government doesn't know which one's supposed to be in front.
@@dannypittman4766converting the analog radio to digital would had been the correct move analog has outlived its welcome
@@timbo303official9 financially it would benefit the radio station since you can run multiple HD stations on a single transmitter
I will not move to ATSC 3.0 unless I can record. There are a lot of programs that come on when I am unable to watch. I really want to see the DRM issue sorted out.
@@Crystal_Palace Do ATSC 3.0 tuners have a composite video output, as well as audio outputs so that can be done?
I have a digital converter box that has HDMI, composite, and audio outputs so that I can record to my VCRs if I wish.
I would guess the Nextgen Certified boxes won’t allow you to use anything but HDMI where they think they can stop you from recording.