This is a great product as can be expected from a company like Vallejo. One thing I would recommend though is thinning this paint with the Vallejo thinner like you would with other acrylic paints. Also, because this primer has a relatively quick drying time, I always add a 1:10 ratio of Vallejo Retarder Medium to my mix - my tip is never clogged!
I just used Vallejo primers today for the first time, the grey sprayed really nice, the black kept clogging the airbrush. I used Vallejo flow improver with both and sprayed around 30psi with the same airbrush. I'm a fan of the grey but not the black, maybe I'll just use it for brush painting as it is too much of a pain to spray it.
Kinda late now but it could be your pretty high PSI - lots of air=faster drying. I spray black with 0.4 nozzle and 24-28ish PSI and it's one I have 0 issues with... Meanwhile gray dries and spits :^)
@@benjimlem1284 Hi and thanks, I have mostly resolved the issue with the black primer by dropping the air pressure to around 20 psi and lubricating the airbrush before spraying with a few drops of Vallejo thinners, so far so good!
@@martinoconnor4314 good to hear :3 You may want to apply little airbrush lube to the needle even before that, should reduce glogging even more. If only getting mig one-shot to work properly was this easy...
A good thing about the black version of the primer is that you can use it as a shadow coat and then apply some flat white paint on as a highlight creating shades on tanks, gunpla airplanes, millitary cars etc.
used vallejo primer for the first time today, results are great BUT my airbrush gets clogged within 10 seconds of spray.. so I had to mix it with thinner (primer) 40/60 (thinner) and use 20+ PSI.. still was pain to use it as it was wasnt spraying great... might try to use flow improver next time
Awesome.... I really wish you guys would do a tutorial on using one of your desert/middle east paint sets with the color modulation technique... like a Syrian, IDF, Iranian, etc. tank. Love your products.
I haven't had any problems either, but I do wonder why you are responding to Kim if you haven't had any problems or can offer any solutions to his problem? Are you implying he is making the whole thing up?
Seems easy to use, but these primers are not ready to use right out of the bottle! You will have to thin them. That's my experience with paint from Vallejo. My airbrush keeps clogging and it's a real pain in the ......to clean the airbrush!
Hello! Some painters need to thin the primers but also we have artists that don't thin them and they can apply the product without problems. Check if you needle is big enough and the pressure of compressor 😊👍🏻
@@vallejocolors the truth is that your products work perfectly. I use acrylics because I am allergic to oil paints and solvents. and using them makes me very ill. Additionally, you make guides as they should be. encouraging hobbies. there are too many channels on the Internet with dozens of techniques, molding chemicals, photo-etched sheets, wires and sophisticated tools. Then surprise that there are no new modelers. And the point here is to encourage you to see that you can start by doing something that you will be proud of without going crazy and destroying models in attempts to copy other pioneers. If you like a tank from the game, recreate it as best you can, you will draw conclusions, you will make another one and it will be better, don't throw yourself into the sun, take it step by step appropriately and learn from your mistakes.
I, like many other find that blackthe doesn't stick and scratch off even after 5 days and the white at the same pressure starts bubbling for no reason?
Hello Daxster499! Applying the Primer in various layers is recommended, but before that, clean your model with water and mild soap to get rid of any release/demolding agents, then let it dry completely. The recommended compressor settings are around 15-20 PSI or 0.5 to 1 kg and you have to use thin layers and let them dry before applying the next one. Regarding the bubbles, it indicates that your airbrush is clogged :) You have to clean it well. You can use a few drops of retarder medium to prevent the primer from drying faster.
The only problems I have with Vallejo primers peeling or chipping is when I try to sand BEFORE the paint thoroughly dries, you must wait at LEAST 24 hours but otherwise it's great paint
That's not a problem if you varnish the miniature say after priming and then base coating and you put the miniature on a base so you don't touch the paint work and rub it off
One trick I've found is thinning 1:1 or 2:1 (mix to golden airbrush medium). This being mixed outside of the airbrush in a separate container and being poured in small quantities into the airbrush. It doesn't impact the adhesion, makes the coat a little more matte, and extends the amount primer. I don't get tip dry in this mix for about 20-30 minutes. But I'm also cleaning out my cup before I refill so that might be changing the numbers. I'm going to try just adding a drop of retarder to pure vallejo (which works fine for me at about 30 psi for about 10-15 minutes before tip dry.)
im honestly new to the whole primer thing but should I be combing a dark primer (black) with a light color or a light primer (grey) with dark colors or should it be the other way around with light primer with light colors and dark colors with a dark primer?
May someone tell me why does this primer is really easy to peel off from the plastic? I have primed with both black an grey at 20 psi, and they peel off really easy, this thing is impossible to sand and to paint on it, even my nail itself peels it... I really love the products, but I haven't found a solution to this problem...
I am experimenting with an Infinity CR Plus airbrush and to me it's a 0.4mm needle for large miniatures such as vehicles and tanks and a 1.5mm needle for infantry. With a few drops of Vallejo Airbrush Thinner FIRST into the cup before adding bthe Vallejo surface paint.
I can't find any solution to peeling off problem. Before primer I rub them with IPA, failed, I rub them with soapy water, same. I tried both, failed again. Waited for 7 days, still peeling off. Around 40 of my miniatures primed with Vallejo Gloss Black Primer is garbage now. I spend over 12 hours each. When you rub them even gently, all paint including varnish coming off. There is no definition how I'm feeling now. No more Vallejo products for me.
Hello Hodbin, we're so sorry to read your message! 🤯Please for this technical issue, contact our colleagues in charge of info@acrylicosvallejo.com so we can know more about the problem you're facing and assist you!
Hey, I recently just purchased everything needed to pain a 1/35 Leopard 2A4, do you think a bottle of 17ml primer is enough to coat all the surface for my Leopard? Do I need to add thinners?
Vallejo Primers are great... as paint. I do not believe they warrant the title primer however. Although they give great coverage and dry in a relatively short amount of time they do not adhere well to plastic or metal surfaces. If someone was to apply masking tape to the tank model presented in the video, a majority of, if not all the primer under the tape would peel off like a bad sunburn. Vallejo makes a wide range of many great products (Metal Color stands to be mentioned) however, I think the Primers need some further work done to them.
I am having the same problem. I thin it with Vallejo airflow improver but without any good results. My airbrush keeps clogging and air pressure is bit below 1 bar.
@@NiekkieNick I have the same problem and so does my son. This is what I have learned and have tried out. 1. I warm the bottle by sitting it in my bathroom sink, with warm water for 5 to 15 mins 2. good shaking 3. Play with the pressure and distance - I spray around 20 PSI, but sometimes higher. 4. Sometimes, this works great, sometimes I still get drying tip within a mins 5. my primer bottles are year old, though i have seen nothing that says they get 'bad' with time. 6. So now I am thinning with thinner and this helps. I do not have a ratio yet, but on youtube i have seen the following 50/50 mix of thinner to primer, 25/25 (thinner, water) and 50 primer.
I bought a big assortment Model Air in 2014 and due to circumstances my hobby paused nearly seven years. The colours had been stored in the basement. Only two bottles had to be replaced: Gold 066 and Bright Brass 067. All other more then 100 colours could be revived. A hint: Put a nut M5 (stainless) in each bottle to mix the liquid. A nut is better than a ball, the ball may stuck in the outlet of the bottle.
It ripped off all the paint by simple masking tape, even electrical tape :( if you sand it then it will tear off. its sad because the coverage is good and unifying ability is good.
Mold release agent should be really well washed before priming. I had really bad results when I was doing an half as*ed job to clean the models before priming. And you should let it dry, in my experience, around 24 h before painting if you intend to drybrush... an 1 week before the primer completely adheres to the surface and can be sanded or filed. I have never used masking tape, but I supose that if I can sand it after one week, masking tape should be no problem. My experience was while appliying the primer with a brush (I have not yet primed with an airbrush, and that is why I watched this video) but I supose there won't be much difference in the super long drying time before it cures completely while appliyng with an airbrush.
@@adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder I find this primer is fragile until it is has properly dried or cured. I have pulled off primer before when using a masking tape, and when dry brushing. So now I wait 24 hours before painting over the primer and longer before dry brushing.
Hello Daniel! These primers preserve even the smallest detail of a model, and improve the adherence of the colors applied on this base. It is recommended to apply the Primer in various layers. Surface Primer can be used directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner of Flow Improver. The recommended compressor settings are around 15-20 PSI or 0.5 to 1 kg. Also, we recommend shaking the bottle well and clean well your miniatures and model pieces so you can get rid of any unmould agents or grease. In case you find some difficulties using our primers, let us know so we can help!
Грунт 70.602, разбавитель 71.061. Сопло 0,35. Забивается через 10-15 секунд работы. У меня, о непрерывной работе с этим грунтом не может быть и речи. С сопла неожиданно начинают вылетать свернувшиеся и загустевшие кусочки грунта. Непредсказуемо может вылететь большая порция грунтовки, а потом опять засориться. Разочарован. Одно мучение. Опять перешёл на вонючую Tamiya.
Как следует чисти аэрограф их родным клинером после каждой проливки краски. Тогда не будет плеваться кусками... Для разбавления используй их Flow Improver вместо тиннера и забудешь про все проблемы с водным акрилом. Сам так делаю, не нарадуюсь..
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I enjoy the videos by Jose Brito as the background music is so chill. I would often have a video on loop as background for when I'm modelling.
This is a great product as can be expected from a company like Vallejo. One thing I would recommend though is thinning this paint with the Vallejo thinner like you would with other acrylic paints. Also, because this primer has a relatively quick drying time, I always add a 1:10 ratio of Vallejo Retarder Medium to my mix - my tip is never clogged!
I just used Vallejo primers today for the first time, the grey sprayed really nice, the black kept clogging the airbrush. I used Vallejo flow improver with both and sprayed around 30psi with the same airbrush. I'm a fan of the grey but not the black, maybe I'll just use it for brush painting as it is too much of a pain to spray it.
Kinda late now but it could be your pretty high PSI - lots of air=faster drying. I spray black with 0.4 nozzle and 24-28ish PSI and it's one I have 0 issues with... Meanwhile gray dries and spits :^)
@@benjimlem1284 Hi and thanks, I have mostly resolved the issue with the black primer by dropping the air pressure to around 20 psi and lubricating the airbrush before spraying with a few drops of Vallejo thinners, so far so good!
@@martinoconnor4314 good to hear :3 You may want to apply little airbrush lube to the needle even before that, should reduce glogging even more. If only getting mig one-shot to work properly was this easy...
@@benjimlem1284 Every day is a school day my friend, I'm always willing to learn.
A good thing about the black version of the primer is that you can use it as a shadow coat and then apply some flat white paint on as a highlight creating shades on tanks, gunpla airplanes, millitary cars etc.
used vallejo primer for the first time today, results are great BUT my airbrush gets clogged within 10 seconds of spray.. so I had to mix it with thinner (primer) 40/60 (thinner) and use 20+ PSI.. still was pain to use it as it was wasnt spraying great... might try to use flow improver next time
This video enhanced my great impression of the Vallejo Black Primer 60ml that I bought.
Awesome.... I really wish you guys would do a tutorial on using one of your desert/middle east paint sets with the color modulation technique... like a Syrian, IDF, Iranian, etc. tank. Love your products.
Hi. Wonderful video . Like and full view .Have a good day !!!
i realy love vallejo product's, but the primer i got big problems with, it is drying in bottle, and therefor stop the airbrush needle.
Use the primer all the time, have never had it dry in the bottle. Stuff works great
I haven't had any problems either, but I do wonder why you are responding to Kim if you haven't had any problems or can offer any solutions to his problem? Are you implying he is making the whole thing up?
Had the same thing, bought the primer, put it in the airbrush with no thinner, about 15 PSI, and the airbrush clogged right up
Ron Rico 15 PSI? Try twice as much. Vallejo recommends 30 PSI for their AIR products. Those primers are tad thicker so one should not spray below that
DienekesShade you made my day. Thank you
Seems easy to use, but these primers are not ready to use right out of the bottle! You will have to thin them. That's my experience with paint from Vallejo. My airbrush keeps clogging and it's a real pain in the ......to clean the airbrush!
Hello! Some painters need to thin the primers but also we have artists that don't thin them and they can apply the product without problems. Check if you needle is big enough and the pressure of compressor 😊👍🏻
I use vallejo primers in brush paintings models. Also are good
Thank you so much for your feedback and support Vordanijczyk! :)
@@vallejocolors the truth is that your products work perfectly. I use acrylics because I am allergic to oil paints and solvents. and using them makes me very ill. Additionally, you make guides as they should be. encouraging hobbies. there are too many channels on the Internet with dozens of techniques, molding chemicals, photo-etched sheets, wires and sophisticated tools. Then surprise that there are no new modelers. And the point here is to encourage you to see that you can start by doing something that you will be proud of without going crazy and destroying models in attempts to copy other pioneers. If you like a tank from the game, recreate it as best you can, you will draw conclusions, you will make another one and it will be better, don't throw yourself into the sun, take it step by step appropriately and learn from your mistakes.
I, like many other find that blackthe doesn't stick and scratch off even after 5 days and the white at the same pressure starts bubbling for no reason?
Hello Daxster499! Applying the Primer in various layers is recommended, but before that, clean your model with water and mild soap to get rid of any release/demolding agents, then let it dry completely. The recommended compressor settings are around 15-20 PSI or 0.5 to 1 kg and you have to use thin layers and let them dry before applying the next one.
Regarding the bubbles, it indicates that your airbrush is clogged :) You have to clean it well. You can use a few drops of retarder medium to prevent the primer from drying faster.
What is the time between first and second layer?
You can wait about 1-2 mins, then apply the second thin layer of primer :)
The only problems I have with Vallejo primers peeling or chipping is when I try to sand BEFORE the paint thoroughly dries, you must wait at LEAST 24 hours but otherwise it's great paint
Were you able to sand this product? Mine dried almost a year ago and is peelable as hell, lol
@@nekketsukai Yes, I can sand it but very lightly. I would like to ask if you apply the paints in one heavy coat or in many light coats?
That's not a problem if you varnish the miniature say after priming and then base coating and you put the miniature on a base so you don't touch the paint work and rub it off
@@davedogge2280 Thanks for the info, I will give that a try!
One trick I've found is thinning 1:1 or 2:1 (mix to golden airbrush medium). This being mixed outside of the airbrush in a separate container and being poured in small quantities into the airbrush. It doesn't impact the adhesion, makes the coat a little more matte, and extends the amount primer. I don't get tip dry in this mix for about 20-30 minutes. But I'm also cleaning out my cup before I refill so that might be changing the numbers. I'm going to try just adding a drop of retarder to pure vallejo (which works fine for me at about 30 psi for about 10-15 minutes before tip dry.)
im honestly new to the whole primer thing but should I be combing a dark primer (black) with a light color or a light primer (grey) with dark colors or should it be the other way around with light primer with light colors and dark colors with a dark primer?
I found that Flow improver works better with primer and other acrylic products. What is the difference between Thinner and Flow improver in fact?
Hello. The key difference between the two is the elongated drying time, our flow improver extends that length of time further. Regards!
What pressure was used in this video?
Hi Manuel,
2 bar pressure.
May someone tell me why does this primer is really easy to peel off from the plastic? I have primed with both black an grey at 20 psi, and they peel off really easy, this thing is impossible to sand and to paint on it, even my nail itself peels it... I really love the products, but I haven't found a solution to this problem...
*The primer was like a month or two since it dried, and it continue being really peelable from the plastic spoon.
I think if you want something that doesnt peel then you have to use aerosol primer
what needle size is used in this video?
I am experimenting with an Infinity CR Plus airbrush and to me it's a 0.4mm needle for large miniatures such as vehicles and tanks and a 1.5mm needle for infantry. With a few drops of Vallejo Airbrush Thinner FIRST into the cup before adding bthe Vallejo surface paint.
Several thin layers or whatever... it does not matter it still chips of easy :( I found no solution for that :(
solution is called "Tamiya Fine Surface Primer"
I can't find any solution to peeling off problem. Before primer I rub them with IPA, failed, I rub them with soapy water, same. I tried both, failed again. Waited for 7 days, still peeling off. Around 40 of my miniatures primed with Vallejo Gloss Black Primer is garbage now. I spend over 12 hours each. When you rub them even gently, all paint including varnish coming off. There is no definition how I'm feeling now. No more Vallejo products for me.
Hello Hodbin, we're so sorry to read your message! 🤯Please for this technical issue, contact our colleagues in charge of info@acrylicosvallejo.com so we can know more about the problem you're facing and assist you!
Hey, I recently just purchased everything needed to pain a 1/35 Leopard 2A4, do you think a bottle of 17ml primer is enough to coat all the surface for my Leopard?
Do I need to add thinners?
One bottle will be enough for 5 models probably
I tried to use Vallejo primer with airbrush (4 psi, 0,3 mm nozzle), but it instantly dry and clog nozzle. What can you say about it?
4psi is really really low. Try 15 or 20 psi...
4 psi...? No wonder it clogs, not enough pressure you should be using around 18 psi.
yes. 20 psi and a toothbrush w/cleaner handy
Vallejo Primers are great... as paint. I do not believe they warrant the title primer however. Although they give great coverage and dry in a relatively short amount of time they do not adhere well to plastic or metal surfaces. If someone was to apply masking tape to the tank model presented in the video, a majority of, if not all the primer under the tape would peel off like a bad sunburn. Vallejo makes a wide range of many great products (Metal Color stands to be mentioned) however, I think the Primers need some further work done to them.
That what i just figured out. It peel too easily to my taste. Is there any airbrush primer alternative?
@@ptitbass Sorry for the late reply, but Stynylrez is amazing and wonderful. It's everything that Vallejo Primer should be.
Great video ...why does my airbrush keep clogging up when I use these primer
Hello. Try to thinner it a little, or change the pressure settings. Regards.
I am having the same problem. I thin it with Vallejo airflow improver but without any good results. My airbrush keeps clogging and air pressure is bit below 1 bar.
@@NiekkieNick I have the same problem and so does my son. This is what I have learned and have tried out. 1. I warm the bottle by sitting it in my bathroom sink, with warm water for 5 to 15 mins 2. good shaking 3. Play with the pressure and distance - I spray around 20 PSI, but sometimes higher. 4. Sometimes, this works great, sometimes I still get drying tip within a mins 5. my primer bottles are year old, though i have seen nothing that says they get 'bad' with time. 6. So now I am thinning with thinner and this helps. I do not have a ratio yet, but on youtube i have seen the following 50/50 mix of thinner to primer, 25/25 (thinner, water) and 50 primer.
What is the shelf life of acrylic paints please?
Hi Steve,
It depends on how you use it, but we can see bottles more than 10 years old.
vallejocolors ok brilliant! Thanks for your reply 👌
I bought a big assortment Model Air in 2014 and due to circumstances my hobby paused nearly seven years. The colours had been stored in the basement.
Only two bottles had to be replaced: Gold 066 and Bright Brass 067. All other more then 100 colours could be revived. A hint: Put a nut M5 (stainless) in each bottle to mix the liquid. A nut is better than a ball, the ball may stuck in the outlet of the bottle.
Still using my model colour case i bought around 2011. Just put some mixing balls inside and all colours are alive and well.
Is there a recommended air pressure to spray at
Hello you can spray between 1,5-1,8 :)
@@vallejocolors hi is that bar or would you know the psi by any chance thanks
@@Steve-dr7rr This is bar :)
It ripped off all the paint by simple masking tape, even electrical tape :( if you sand it then it will tear off. its sad because the coverage is good and unifying ability is good.
Mold release agent should be really well washed before priming. I had really bad results when I was doing an half as*ed job to clean the models before priming.
And you should let it dry, in my experience, around 24 h before painting if you intend to drybrush... an 1 week before the primer completely adheres to the surface and can be sanded or filed. I have never used masking tape, but I supose that if I can sand it after one week, masking tape should be no problem.
My experience was while appliying the primer with a brush (I have not yet primed with an airbrush, and that is why I watched this video) but I supose there won't be much difference in the super long drying time before it cures completely while appliyng with an airbrush.
@@adwarfsittingonagiantsshoulder I find this primer is fragile until it is has properly dried or cured. I have pulled off primer before when using a masking tape, and when dry brushing. So now I wait 24 hours before painting over the primer and longer before dry brushing.
it's not a primer you cant sand it down the stuff comes off way too easy
Hello Daniel! These primers preserve even the smallest detail of a model, and improve the adherence of the colors applied on this base. It is recommended to apply the Primer in various layers. Surface Primer can be used directly or diluted with Vallejo Airbrush Thinner of Flow Improver. The recommended compressor settings are around 15-20 PSI or 0.5 to 1 kg. Also, we recommend shaking the bottle well and clean well your miniatures and model pieces so you can get rid of any unmould agents or grease. In case you find some difficulties using our primers, let us know so we can help!
Грунт 70.602, разбавитель 71.061. Сопло 0,35. Забивается через 10-15 секунд работы. У меня, о непрерывной работе с этим грунтом не может быть и речи. С сопла неожиданно начинают вылетать свернувшиеся и загустевшие кусочки грунта. Непредсказуемо может вылететь большая порция грунтовки, а потом опять засориться. Разочарован. Одно мучение. Опять перешёл на вонючую Tamiya.
Как следует чисти аэрограф их родным клинером после каждой проливки краски. Тогда не будет плеваться кусками... Для разбавления используй их Flow Improver вместо тиннера и забудешь про все проблемы с водным акрилом. Сам так делаю, не нарадуюсь..
"being super strong!" lmao...no other paints come off easier than vallejos
Hi,
Thank you very much for your comments!
Well, the same can be said for most water-based acrylics.
I am so sick of videos with no one talking that I have to sit and read while trying to watch. Waste of my time. There is better out there.
Yeah, because reading like 12 words is super hard, right? Lmao.
@@dangerpowers5939 no because I have to stop whatever else I am doing. If I want to do that I will read a book.