Why Spider-Man 2 Feels Forgettable
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- Many agree that Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 feels forgettable despite having a fast paced story full of excellent set pieces, boss battles, and characters (Peter Parker, Miles Morales, Venom, Kraven, and more). In today’s video, Irogen explains why the sequel has less staying power than its predecessor.
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The storyline of Spider-man 2 just feels off despite its great gameplay. Plus the rushed third act of the game just feels wrong and forced to see.
That’s strange. I never feel that in the storyline. Maybe it’s just you.
@@user-ts9qz5oy3jit’s not just him. Even the devs admit that Sony essentially rushed them and they had to cut things out of the story and rearrange it. Everything that’s there is pretty well done, but because of this Sony pressure, each story beat feels like it doesn’t have enough room to breathe and be explored past the point where Pete gets the suit. The whole first half of the story feels like a well paced 1st act, and the second half feels rushed by comparison.
@@abstraktfilms if that’s true then the devs get the game well done. Personally, I don’t think the second and third act are rushed but to each their opinions.
@@user-ts9qz5oy3j that’s a fair perspective. I also feel like there’s not enough content in the game just based on what you’d expect after the first, but again, that’s probably due to Sony’s timeline.
It felt like a recent MCU movie. Exciting when you play it for the first time, but you feel absolutely nothing playing it again.
I've replayed this game about 4 times now, and haven't had that "wow" factor since my first playthrough.
Craziest thing was when I found out that Peter only had the symbiote for 3 days
Which is incredibly short and just feels rushed
I miss post NG+ when we could do the mysterium weather glitch during story mode. It's weird how Peter gets the symbiote during noon and not night time
Tbh peter having symbiote only for some days is really typical thing in spider man media
If sony hadn't rush marvel spider man 2 and let insomniac finish the rest of the story then none of this wouldn't happen
I think this also why Sony canceled the multiplayer so they can finish the game
I completely agree. If they gave it another year it probably would have been perfect
Definitely but the game’s budget was already ridiculously expensive.
Also Sweet Baby Inc f*cked up the narrative...
just did my second playthrough (about to finally fight venom in endgame) and i can’t tell you how many story points happened that made me say “damn i forgot that happened” and i just did my first playthrough in november last year.
Which make a lot of month to forget what happened.
That just makes sense tbh
Peter has no self respect I swear💀
It doesn’t have the same effect because this game’s missing the “one element” of that’s basically essential to every blacksuit symbiote story (The Spider-Canon if you will) that is missing is the consequences, specifically the potentially permanent fracturing of the entire core cast specifically Peter losing everyone that he has called an ally in his life & everything that he has built up since the beginning of the first game for the villains in the game to be able to establish a permanent foothold on the city’s criminal underworld.
Amen bro 🍻
Despite loving this game so much, I will admit that I had a lot of anticipation and excitement going into it based on how the symbiote storyline was setting up from the previous games. Most of the things that were done I predicted would happen in the game’s storyline but I think it comes back to it lacking enough risks or long term consequences for each character. I feel like the foreshadowing of Norman inevitably becoming the Goblin has been very underwhelming personally despite appreciating that Insomniac is taking their time with building him up. I also think that Harry should’ve died in order to seal Norman’s descent into madness and insanity which would’ve made the impact more chilling, heartbreaking, and unsettling to witness. Doc Ock is also my favorite villain out of Spider-Man’s rogues followed with Green Goblin as a close second so I’m hoping Sony will allow Insomniac to deliver a much better story for the third game that’s not lackluster and more memorable like the first game. I’m crossing my fingers that they’ll be able to manage both of the villains respectively and not rush their future arcs compared to Venom.
Something I noticed recently is what happens immediately after Venom gets his hands on the meteorite in a cutscene. Half of NYC getting covered in alien goo in a matter of seconds is hilarious to me and showcases how rushed that part of the story was.
Not to mention your still fighting leftover RPG symbiotes after you clean up the symbiote hubs. Doesn't make sense
@@christianhenry4173 that too. Even after wiping out all symbiotes in the final story mission, there are still more roaming the city. Hunters are still causing trouble in the streets even though their leader is dead and are left directionless. They should have left the city permanently after 100% completing the game. Also, where the hell are the police while these guys are constantly wrecking havoc?
Compare all that to the first game. Once you finish all the side activities after the story then most of the enemy factions (Demons, Kingpin thugs, Ryker prisoners, Sable mercs) disappear from the game, so you felt like you were actually cleaning up the streets as Spider-Man. Then you were back to normal fighting lowlife thugs.
As I’m typing this, I keep realizing more and more how much of a downgrade Spider-Man 2 is in many ways to the first even with some of the gameplay improvements like web swinging.
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX so you just don't want anything to do after 100%? All the new enemies are just gone forever...
@@shaunavant532 the point is the feeling of completion. Of actually accomplishing your goals as a superhero. Obviously, you can always start over in NG+ but seeing symbiotes running around even after supposedly wiping them out in the main story and going through all the symbiote nests is kind of immersion breaking.
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX ah yes, then WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF A THIRD GAME IF YOU HAVE COMPLETED EVERYTHING AND NOW THE CITY IS EMPTY
Idk if this is case, but the game feels as if some parts were cut out to make a deadline. Both the Kraven and Venom Arcs just feel really empty even tho there are great moments it just feels like an incomplete story
I agree 100% and feel like I had previously had a hard time putting my finger on why I like the first 2 games more. You hit the nail on the head - It’s the irreversible consequences as you said that were missing. Especially since they teased this was a much darker story like empire strikes back of MSM1. Hoping DLC can improve that feeling but doubtful
Just remember Sony ruined it for us. Personally another year probably would’ve made this game pacing alot better.
It's always Sony fault @@TakamiCastro
@@TakamiCastroit’s crazy how useless it was to rush the game .
People were also pressuring them so much when, as we can see, a year later goes by fast. They should’ve taken an extra year or so to polish and add much more necessary thing. Hell, we’re 9 months in and all we’ve got were 1) basic ass things that should’ve been in day 1 and 2) some really subpar new (and very badly designed overall ) suits and old ones that shoulda never been dlc in the first place
@@danielz-v4083 it’s so disappointing to see where we came to.
@@danielz-v4083 Yep. Sony clearly wanted it out by the end of last year and weren't budging. Probably because they have no other mainline exclusive title coming out for quite a while. And as a result of their rushing, we get a half-baked game with only slight improvements & many missing features from the earlier games. We still don't even know when or if DLC is coming. I do enjoy SM2 but it could've been so much more.
First game was 10x better imo. The swinging feels fine after adjusting to it and it’s so much fun trying to chain together animations which I swear make you go faster. The combat feels grounded and simplistic enough to be fun but also with many ways to fight giving more depth. It also doesn’t break immersion and focuses on making you feel like spider man rather than a crazy alien ripping armies to shreds which yes I get is the point but to me it just felt like a ps5 remake of Prototype. Story is the best part of the game which everyone already agrees on.
I always said it would be way more interesting for Spider-Man to be the twist villain with Peter getting fully consumed by the symbiote and becoming Venom himself. Miles would have to fight him and Peter is the central character to all of this so it would be a reason for Harry and Miles to come together even though their stories don’t really line up. In the end Peter could retire from being Spider-Man bc he sees how far he fell while being Venom and saw that Miles is the shining light the city needs now. The story ends the same but with actual consequences. And I mean Doc Ock returning seems like the only thing that would bring Peter back out of retirement for the 3rd game
This game was supposed to be the darker chapter, but it doesn't really feel like one at all. Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions' Noir levels, even the Turf Wars DLC felt darker than this. Also, am I the only one who thinks the Hunting Martin Li storyline should've been in Miles' spin-off game instead?
Yes
really bro but i think they used martin li in the sequel just for to keep a reason to use miles
you re right a spinn off based on on the revenge of miles about martin li and a redemption story line in the sequel because in the sequel tht was rushed and under treated then its an important arc for to developp the caracter of miles morales
@@blacksuit5247 should've been a DLC for Miles Morales similar to turf war with miles going for leads. They would have to use a different new York model as it wouldn't be winter anymore as time would have passed
Completely agree. Symbiote peter should absolutely have murked someone or many people, including miles. The whole game was played far too safe. I also think that the entire premise of peters "balance" storyline is bad. I dont want to play a spiderman game that has peter half assing it because he cant be bothered anymore. This ties into peter getting his ass kicked for the majority of the game, and people love to say its because hes tired of being spiderman. Is that true? Maybe, but if it is then its lame as fuck. Spiderman 1 was so enjoyable because I felt like spiderman, 2v1 ing some of the sinister six for example. Now peter gets shit on nearly every fight when he doesnt have the symbiote, I mean he gets 1 shotted by Kraven ffs.
Yeah it’s crazy
I was saying this when it came out but everybody had their rose tinted glasses and told me “he’s not weak! He’s just tired” Spider-Man 2 Peter felt so weak and honestly a little dumb compared to his 2018 version. I mean I know why this is: to make miles look better and more competent since they hardly have miles in any scenes that he got his ass kicked in and Peter had to save the day but they made miles save Peter left and right. Tbh I was disappointed with that. That to prop miles up, they decides to bring Peter down instead of making miles just seem like he’s getting more mature and experienced to reach peter’s level. It felt like it was saying “Peter isn’t on miles’ level anymore” when it should have been saying “miles finally surpassed Peter’s level” if they wanted to do a passing of the torch properly
Agreed. I just finished my second play though and they made Peter so pathetic and apologetic for no good reason.
The amount of pure “I’m sorry, I should’ve done better” that he spams for the last entire hour of the game is just not really logical at that point.
He keeps repeating how “I was terrible to Harry”, meanwhile the game shows him being slightly mad at Harry once and it’s not even that aggressive or intimidating.
Also, damn the game itself doesn’t let you enjoy your time with the Black suit.
Every mission with it just time jumps too hard and it feels so rushed to the point everything after feels unearned.
Peter never truly goes fully Dark with it except at the very final boss fights, which, btw, makes the btchbass Danika podcasts really annoying giving she develops a third eye out of nowhere and just knows exactly what’s going on or what’s gonna happen even before Peter starts acting up, it feels like the game is telling more than showing
@@danielz-v4083 everything your saying is what me and my ex bff had a problem with we didn’t like how peter was handled and we wished we would’ve had more time with the black suit cause it just felt like when we had it on the game was just rushing for us to take it off
@@danielz-v4083 Ya even in story peter had the symbiote for like 5 days maximum, but more likely 3 or 4. I mean thats just incredibly rushed. And dont even get me started on the danikast
MJ dying would’ve felt so impactful, especially with how OP her character was lmao
Nah tbh if they kill MJ in this universe Goblin should kill her
I hate MJ
Yeah. The worst that symbiote Peter ever gets is he tells Harry to pop some pills and like that’s it! That’s like me after a bad day of work lol
Oh yeah sure. Telling that to an obviously ill-looking Harry, that was a simple "bad days" as you so eloquently put it.
So miles fought Peter because Peter said mint chocolate was better than rocky road ice cream? Got it😂
Mj was running from him in the subway because Peter wanted to use his tendrils to tickle her😂
really it didnt hit hard bro
It didnt hit at all lol
@@chriss.249 That wasn't Peter. The symbiote completely took over. Peter wasnt fighting back the suit like he's supposed to
I have quite a few things to say but I mostly agree with you. They played it too safe and it didn’t match the hype they were getting and the hype they were giving by saying it would be “darker” and the “empire strikes back”. It did not reach that level respectfully. There’s a reason why Spectacular and TAS are considered the blueprints for symviote arcs.
Even Spider-Man 3 Raimi’s black suit arc is memorable even if it is through memes and edits and hype, they managed to solidly the impact and changes Peter was going through on a high level. They even tried to imitate Tobey Maguire’s bully thing with Yuri Lowenthal and respectfully, it did not match up.
I understand Sony rushed Insomniac and they had leaks but Insomniac themselves made decisions to write the game the way they did and chose to include and exclude elements of what they wanted and didn’t want and ultimately it just left the game feeling okay in the sense it was good but at the same time disappointing in the sense you get left feeling, is that it? Wait, is that what you guys decided to do?
There’s a lot of things I could say but I will list some of it here:
1. Peter’s short black symbiote arc. One of the most important arcs and the central aspect of the game and yet it wasn’t the central aspect. Peter didn’t have it long enough and it didn’t feel as impactful, we didn’t get to see enough of him story wise interacting with civillians/normal people and with street thugs, criminals and other villains.
Raimi Spider-Man 3, 90s, Spectacular are the blueprints and did this aspect very well despite how you may feel about the adaptations specifically as a whole. They showed how he was slowly changing or becoming different. Other than his popping pills line and arguing with MJ and that “I said I’ll find him” with Rio Morales, Peter changing doesn’t really get explored on a level with as much depth as the other adaptations.
2. Peter not having a mental battle symbiote boss fight and lack of red and blue boss fights.
Insomniac has decided that Peter Parker requires Miles Morales to beat the symbiote for him, not once but TWICE mentally. Miles has a boss fight with him which is a whole other can of worms and he also goes in Peter’s head to fully free him and cleanse of him the remaining symbiote. In the other adaptations and in the source material, Peter chooses to take off and/or decides to fight the symbiote by himself. His own indomitable will and mental fortitude and choice to be responsible.
But no, Insomniac replaces that and Aunt May and Uncle Ben as his voices of reason and doesn’t give us a boss fight with Peter against himself by giving the glory to Miles, TWICE.
They then defeat the message of Peter taking off the symbiote and themes of addiction by giving him the anti venom symbiote with all the benefits and no downsides instead of him fighting on his own and with his own mind and body. This isn’t the only flawed message and unfaithful direction they’ve taken Insomniac has taken in their Spider-Man games especially in this sequel but I digress.
Peter needed more fights with his Red and blue base form, they really focused too much on the symbiote being his crutch (and the execution was still respectfully underwhelming and poorly done) instead of letting Peter shine by his own will. A fight with the Lizard in his lab coat and normal form before the mutation into the bigger one, a fight with Venom and Miles by his side like they showed in the trailers where they were chased but they decided to not have that (false advertising?) and a fight with himself in his mind instead of having Miles and Li do his mental battles for him.
3. MJ missions and her portrayal. She’s a lot better than she is in the first game but they pushed her to be the gun wielding almost unstoppable force (when she only had a few weeks or a month stay in Symkaria and only trained with a gun for a bit by Sable) that she can take down beings that Peter and Miles struggle with.
The message Insomniac sends with her character is MJ isn’t the normal girl in Peter’s life who is still capable and badass like she is in the comics but she’s a Lois Lane copy and a gun lover and she needs to be that to shine or stand out in the story and she needs to be able to do all of those things solo. What a rest message to send to all the normal girls and women who love MJ in the comics because she’s a loving housewife or girlfriend that doesn’t have to have superpowers or be peak human to be amazing.
Forget having her team up with Wraith, Black Cat, Sable (characters that were immediately thrown away or not expanded upon or handled poorly) or other actually trained or peak human female characters in the game, Insomniac MJ can do everything herself.
Most importantly, Bryan Intihar said “I don’t give a shit” in terms of the MJ missions and MJ feedback from the fans. People blame Sony and use them as a a scapegoat but Insomniac themselves with a director like that aren’t innocent or immune from criticism. What a mature way to respond to your fans.
4. Balancing Peter and Miles. They did a poor job, fans of both characters felt like either one didn’t get to shine enough or one was nerfed etc. The fact both characters are getting that feedback shows Insomniac needs to do a bette job of balancing the characters and writing. I don’t have high hopes for when they introduce a third Spider that being Silk, when she joins them in the next full game.
5. Stripping Peter and Miles of their abilities from previous games. The new gadget mechanics are a lot more smoother and streamlined than the gadget wheel, however an option between choosing the two would have been nice.
But more importantly and the main thing, the gadgets, suit techs and stuff that made both Peter and Miles unique in their gameplay have been stripped away or watered down, they both have the same gadgets and Peter is reduced to spider arms that are lacklustre and not an accurate representation of his abilities. Pete doesn’t have his gadgets that he built and designed. Miles has his flashy abilities and upgraded flashy abilities but he doesn’t have his own tech and meters and mechanics from his solo game.
The sequel game has severely limited gameplay styles and freedom of player expression when they could have expanded upon it and added to it and combine them with the sequel’s added features.
From a story perspective it makes no sense why Peter and Miles would limit themselves from their abilities and tech and also from a player’s gameplay perspective. It’s like if the Arkham games took away some gadgets or limited Batman’s abilities in his newer Arkham games. Arkham Knight took everything from City and Asylum and expanded upon it, Origins too in some ways.
Insomniac Spider-Man 2, failed to do that with Miles Morales and Marvel Spider-Man 2018.
6. No training or challenge modes and such. We had multiple bases or enemy types and training and challenges in the first game and in Miles game. With the added tweaks to combat and the vastly improved traversal system especially with web wings, Insomniac didn’t think to give us a fighting training simulation mode choosing enemy types from this game and previous games. They didn’t think to do things similar to Taskmaster or Speedball’s challenges even if you disliked them. Having a timer or a system where you get given bronze, silver or gold and have Peter and Miles Race with web wings and elements like these would have added so much to the replay ability of this game and it wouldn’t feel so empty with just crimes or hunter bases.
So much missed potential. Arkham games have replay ability because they have these challenges as well a combat system that expands upon and includes and adds on to previous games’ elements like the number of gadgets and such.
Those are just a few points, sorry for the long read. But it just goes to show this sequel had so many opportunities and they blew it. The game is good but it’s not going to leave as much of an impact as other adaptations have in terms of being a sequel, a dark Spider-Man story, a symbiote spider man arc and a Venom story.
They rushed things and respectfully they got carried away with trying to do things a lot different than staying faithful . Harry being Venom could have been good even if you did prefer Eddie but they rushed too quickly into the symbiote invasion instead of keeping it grounded.
Those are my thoughts. Feel free to agree or disagree. I won’t be having a back and forth should anyone seek to be argumentative but I’m open to feedback anyways. Good day.
I think they should've cut the agent venom stuff, had the end of act 1 have pete really hurt and needing saving, where he's rushed to a hospital and harry shows up and transfers vemom to pete. That way, instead of showing all the agent venom stuff, you could focus more on his dependency on the venom suit in a arch where he is trying to remove it because dr connors is skeptical
I think the point you made on how the symbiote leaves no lasting consequences for Peter after he takes it off is really true. I was hoping he would find a twisted coping with the symbiote especially after losing literally everyone he loves
The game needs a directors cut, I definitely agree
It’s already perfect
We also need more dlc to flesh out more stories and give us more story content. Hopefully, they are still planning to release Story dlc that got leaked.
@@jakethenecromorph😂😂😂😂😂
This is the only modern game that could get a remastered or remake next year and I would not be entirely too mad , if they let you upgrade your current game to the remastered I'd be cool with it
@@castedsp1ders it’s already perfect
The hilarious and sad thing about current reviews of the game is that you can see the clear shift in the general audience about the game.
People were being too hardstuck fanboys when it first came out and were essentially trusting a year of upcoming dlc to make it the best game ever.
But now, 9 months later, we’ve all had time to properly dig and replay the game and see its big problems with gameplay (not swinging or combat, everything else about it tho) and story.
A lot of people were shitting on IGN for giving it -1 score than the first one but I always thought they were absolutely valid with it.
It’s an improvement in many aspects, but as a whole, the first game is more memorable, polished and overall a better video game and story
You’re wrong. Both game are equal, gameplay and story. And I blame the hacking for the dlc not coming sooner.
@@user-ts9qz5oy3j mf, the first game had much more variety in side missions and crime missions.
Story in the first one was not only longer but more cohesive and the plot pacing , with its issues and all, was better structured and with a better flow than the second game.
I’m not telling you my opinion, I’m saying how it is
The 1st game has a better story & more charm, that’s it.
Spider-Man 2 has way better gameplay.
Spider-Man ps4/remastered is almost inferior to play in current day because of the gameplay advancements in the sequel. The 1st game is a scenario where you revisit it for nostalgia.
To say it’s a better overall better video game is silly lol.
@@danielz-v4083 the second game also has a wide variety of side quests and missions. And sorry to contradict you, but his story is also well paced with a good structure and has the same length as the first.
@@user-ts9qz5oy3jfuck no. The second game's story is trash
please tell me you will do a full on review of this game in the near future? and a miles morales revisited or rereview too?
It’s too safe as well. It doesn’t push the boundaries, just does what the first game did but slightly better
Slightly worse *
@@ayotino420A lot worse imo
@@userwkr6mywxsd693 In terms of gameplay, no except for stealth and gadgets. But you’re lying to yourselves if you think the traversal is better in Spider-Man 1.
@@abhinavgandham4883 Icl spiderman 1 is borderline unplayable after playing spiderman 2. Spiderman 1 is phenomenal but it the gameplay is so far improved in 2 that it genuinely feels underwhelming and clunky to play 1 even tho it’s neither of those things
@@abhinavgandham4883 Obviously the traversal is better SM2, I just personally feel like insomniac took one step forward and two steps backwards with many of their gameplay aspects.
I wish they would have let home truly embrace the suit. It felt like you blink and the suit comes off. He should have done some things that he can’t just come back from let him truly understand what he did. Not to mention the lack of things to do after the game is done
in my opinion, the story (writing) was GOOD. my only issue is with the Miles's part of the story (he had a great spinoff game which made me think i loved miles more than peter), which was too weak, it feels like Peter is risking his life, going through struggles with Harry sickness, May's loss, Otto becoming a villain; meanwhile Miles has to get some drums and write an essay (the only good part in my opinion is with mr negative).
the development of the story in my opinion was weak: they should have made each arc as long as the first act (12 missions): they had the best symbiote version of spiderman and just scraped that. also with venom and the possibility of having a symbiote miles, they really missed the goal. i really hope that maybe they can fix the story with the dlcs or with a director's cut
i feel the best way for spider man 2 to make an irreversible change is if peter actually killed someone while wearing the symbiote. or if peter actually couldn't save that one woman in coney island, really emphasizing and broadening his reasons for his addiction towards the symbiote. this cant be far fetched, as the studio did state that they wanted a darker tone for the game itself, but this, alongside giving the third act time to flourish, would genuinely have great impact towards the story.
what i'm really saying all in all is that they rushed this wayyy too much, we could've just waited at least one more year before they released this game 😭😭
Now if Peter killed someone do you really think he would continue to be Spider-Man? Knowing Peter he would definitely turn himself in and quit being Spider-Man forever.
At the end of the main story Peter wants to take a "break" from being Spider-Man for a while and then right after that you can IMMEDIATELY switch back into Peter as Spider-Man. No consequences is right. Yeah the combat is better. The city is bigger. The web swinging mechanics is much better and faster but... the story has problems
imo the storyline starts moving way too fast after the lizard fight. i feel like the boss fights that happen while playing as symbiote peter should've been more consequential, like i wish they went darker and had peter severely injure (or kill) curt connors or kraven, it would've done more for the plot and been more of a reason for peter taking a break from being spider man. you put it into words really well when you said the story ends in a similar place that it starts and there were no permanent consequences for peter and miles
Great video man,you explained your thoughts thoroughly in a very entertaining way.
Thanks for watching!
Hold up look at the sliver lining. If we get an insomanic solo venom game, they could give us the depth of venom that 2 couldn't. Also considering the character himself the ante and violence will most likey but upped while possibly giving us eddie brock as the new host. If insomanic goes down this route and does it well it could very will fix a majority if not all of the probelms ppl felt spider man 2 had.🎉 Fingers crossed.
Where did the Scream Symbiote go? Did it melt in the rain? If you want my opinion, there were so many characters they all had to split 100% of the game between all of them to fit them all in, like it was 2 games in 1 Marvel's Spider-Man 2 should of been 50 hours at minimum! What is it 20 hours? I 100% it 3 times it's too damn short! Everything happens in the story so fast! Kraven didn't do any hunting, his hunters did everything! Yes he killed Scorpion and the other villains off screen that was it. The game was rushed!
I really want spider-man 3 to adapt superior spider-man but then they would just be covering the same tracks that 2 did lol i still want that adaptation tho oh well maybe one day
Am I the only one who feels Miles and Marin lee feels forced af
Like i get him having a grudge against martin lee considering what happened but my question is where was this energy during his own game where he doesn't even mention him once outside the story recap
I will say, this for me in my personal opinion your video is not terrible or in bad faith unlike other youtubers because I am a massive shill for all of the insomnic spider-man games.
I am happy, you just spoke from the heart and I'm happy you just didn't say anything crazy but also I love some the issues you brought up and that was beautiful.
Spider man 2 came out 20 years ago dude 😒
Crap I traveled through time again 😬
@@Irogensmh spider-man 2: enter electro came out 23 years ago smh
I think the spider arms should have been removed from the game. That might sound crazy, but it would put more of an emphasis on miles gameplay, until you get the symbiote. That way, you’d feel powerful and destructive. And during this time, the symbiyote gameplay would evolve, with new harder hitting animations. Then when you lose it, you have no iron arms, and no symbiyote. Until anti venom. I feel like that would make you better understand the stakes, if a evil alien had the fully evolved symbiyote. I think it’s weird that Peter had the iron arms, symbiyote, AND anti venom, while miles got a couple new moves, and a new power color.
You didn’t mention how he still has the Anti-Venom suit lol
Mr. Negative was the BEST part of the story.
I love the game but now replaying ot its just ehhh now the first game i played it multiple times this one just like 3 times the story kinda gets boring and i gotta skip cutscenes now and some missions like the university and graffiti missions are bad and i noticed there are allot of multiple missed opportunities like giving miles the symbiote or driving mjs bike in the end more
personally I just think its because they simplified all the crimes and there's barley any crimes that have variation
I was not expecting a video like this from you. Lol Let alone for Marvel’s Spider-Man 2! I guess you’re on to something. I love the game, but for some strange reason I haven’t felt encouraged to replay the game as much as the other games. And not even trying to say it’s to do with the quality of the game. Even though you made interesting points about how the story maybe contributed as to why. Even though I was mostly satisfied what we got. It’s oddly conflicting.
It sure is. It makes it frustrating because it's such a great game, yet at the same time, it's lacking in some areas that it makes the 1st game seem perfect, yet it's a much better improvement especially in the gameplay,traversal department. That's where the confusion and disappointment take over.
@@AmariMarvelous Yeah. You nailed it.
The storyline of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 really reminded me of Spider-Man 3 in the sense of how the beats played out in the film. I say that in the way if you look at the 2 villains of the game and movie. Kraven being the same as Sandman in the movie and Venom being about the same as in the movie as well. I say this cause a lot of people don't realize this sort of thing. Kraven being about the same as Sandman is to say that Kraven is THE villain for the game like how sandman was THE villain for the 2007 movie. Venom was a character that was added for whatever reason in the movie (Thank you Avi for your non-sense) but Venom in the 2nd game was a bit different but not really. Venom is more of the recent takes on the character in the way that he can't use webs (which is really annoying), He can't be invisible to the Spider-Sense like he should, and the thing about the symbiote HAVING to effect peter negatively is so over used since the '94 cartoon that people can't use what they did in the original comics or make up something else anymore which is also sad. But another thing I would say about Venom is this, The marketing was heavily pointed towards venom. What happens in the end.. We barely really get venom. Why market venom so much when he's going to be the last 3rd of the game (he's pretty much 1/3 of the game). It makes no sense to do that. You can keep the identity secret for the players but at the same time, they should've marketed more then just venom. They should've showed off more Kraven or other things (which they kinda did but not really enough). You can say it's because venom is more popular and that's fine. But look at it in the sense of the story. Kraven for the most part was 2/3's of the game. Venom is only 1/3 of the game. That's the difference when it comes to things.
The story is still good but I do agree more stakes would be good. Like harry in a coma just returns to base 1. While the character evolution is great the stakes could be improved.
Happy one year hypeversary. This games hype last year was insane though.
Yeah idk what they were doing for this one. It was a major disappointment for me in terms of the story. Gameplay was great, but the story was too short for having TWO protagonists.
It just feels rushed, especially in the third act. As you already know, there was cut content, and you can tell because certain scenes felt rushed or were missing more story and plot to make the game more cohesive, not necessarily longer although the game could've been longer in my opinion. Mind you, I didn't touch on Venom being underused or not showing how the other villains got killed off by Kraven, among other flaws with the game. It's frustrating because the game was so good that it was also lacking in some areas.
In short the story is so bad that I have a hard time even playing free roam without getting upset.
That’s just my reason for dropping but yeah.
IMO it’s the last Jedi of Spider-Man games.
It has killed all hype I had for sequels, spin offs and other in universe games like Wolverine (which looks like it’s main character will be treated with the same lack of respect)
I’m so disappointed man 😞
I don’t ever want to feel this way about my favorite character…
I’m so sorry Spider-Man…
Spider-Man is my favourite character too. I know the game was rushed.
Hope Marvel's Spider-Man 3 will actually do justice to Peter and he would be beast taking on both Doc Ock and Green Goblin.
Facts I have NO faith in the 3rd game at all😔
@@hitendhir9700 if only 😩 but they’ll just kill him off or retire him to make miles look stronger with plot armor.
@@jbstudios3000 No keep faith, in 2nd one he was conflicted, struggling and coping with loss.
In 3rd, recovery is gonna happen and he will be beast for sure.
Insomniac will surely improve upon mistakes they did.
@@hitendhir9700 I have no reason for faith man. They are just activist who want to push politics by way of my favorite characters. They don’t have any respect for Spider-Man.
I feel the exact same way. In shorter terms i thought it was a solid game, i liked it, but i wanted to love it
My things with Spider-Man 2 were
1. The third act was TOO FAST, i got whiplash from how fast everything happened, it felt like it had no buildup when Act 2 had the perfect buildup from the lizard boss, all the way to venom fighting Kraven, ACT 3 happened instantly almost, and the new suits just were not it imo
2. Miles' design choices in this game very much had me annoyed, for me, miles' outfits and look is something I've always been inspired by, so seeing him wearing killmonger dreads (which aren't that bad) instead of his fade, and his odd fits were a bit distracting to me considering how good bro was looking in his own game
3. This is the biggest one, the game felt WAY TOO SEPARATED between Peter and miles, it felt like I was playing their individual games instead of a 2 Spider-Men game, they rarely teamed up, and we didn't get a lot of story sections where both are working together
I did like the game but it felt like it didn't have any cultural impact at all on the gaming landscape, which the first game had (and even the Miles Morales spin off had some of that impact too). I'm afraid to say that it just came and went. I think Insomniac played it way too safe + way too small. It just didn't have ambition and sadly I feel like it came down to the game's development and how things might have changed.
Also, I feel like there’s some evidence of that when you look at Insomniac’s leaked schedule for their future games. I think Sony might’ve pushed them to do a Venom game and compromised the total vision of SM2, which is why it feels so lacking. Might even be that they shifted a bunch of content to the Venom game too - which is why might not be getting Story DLC for SM2 even though it was leaked (because at this point they would’ve announced it, and the silence from Insomniac is heavy).
Venom game will probably be just "spider man 2 part 2: the things we cut" and it's kinda stupid
For me it's like that:
Story:
Spider Man 1
Spider Man 2
Spider Man MM
Gameplay:
Spider Man 2
Spider Man MM
Spider Man 1
Spider Man 2 has it's flaws but it gives me so much fun so for me it's good, although I hope they will fix some issues in their next game
Insomniac Ganke is the goat
"you’re lying to yourselves if you think the traversal is better in Spider-Man 1"
Spiderman 1 has a way better story
Spiderman 2 has better gameplay, combat and traversal
Both equally good games but for different reasons
*Sorry that its an essay but this is my take on what I think would've made the game way better (or a lot of it is what I expected/imagined this game to be before release)*
Am I the only one who felt a tiny dissatisfied whenever I had to use gadgets while wearing The Black Suit? It only ever felt like we had 4 abilities plus the surge mode for a game that advertised the soul out of the Symbiote.
We should've had more Symbiote abilities, especially for the slots that take up the gadgets, like Symbiote web bombs, traps, minions similar to the ones those Symbiote enemies spawn. Why the hell was I using gadgets while wearing the Black Suit in the first place?
Oh and we should've used more Symbiote tendrils for the normal combos we used. I wish the combat was different when you had the Black Suit on from when you don't, like Web of Shadows. Also, another missed opportunity is the Spider-Legs being Symbiote when you have the suit on _sigh_
The tendrils should've been utilized more for the traversal than the 2 abilities we can perform mid-air. Like when you're sling shotting with the Black Suit on, we should've used tendrils instead, similar to a moment during the Lizard chase.
We also should've had more Symbiote suits and variants. The fact we had like 10 MCU styled suits and just 4 Symbiote suits for a game that they said were gonna have "Lots of Symbiote" is ridiculous. The variants of the Black Suit throughout the story should have been more than 2, each one looking more corrupted than the other.
There should have been more scenes and gameplay of Symbiote Pete with the suit on and without it too. His voice acting was perfect. There should've been more scenes like the "I am the hero, not you" moment, or the ones were he aggressively interrogated people, or like the one where he is very evil towards Connors while he was normal and Lizard form.
There should have been more suspense, more stakes, more drama, more BOLD decisions for the story. Characters should have died or should've had other permanent consequences, similar to a few things Irogen said (like Curt Connors being brutalized by Peter). The only death was Kraven.
The story should have been "darker" like they told us it would. Peter should've kept the Symbiote longer. He should've stayed crazy for a longer period of the story while he had the suit and after he took it off, rather than the 3 days he had with the Symbiote. The Symbiote should've been an actual drug-like substance that should've had after-effects on Peter when he didn't have the suit, rather than the typical "you're evil when you wear it and when you take it off, you're fine again." They said the theme was gonna be about addiction and the story was gonna be darker, right? We should've seen the addiction in Peter, like "I NEED THIS SUIT MILES GIVE IT BACK I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT" while Miles (perhaps both him and MJ) pitying Peter "Look at what you've become..." similar to the Otto and Peter scene at the end of the first game, Peter being the naive student and Otto being the mentor going rogue. Except this time, the roles are switched and Peter is the mentor actually going rogue. Can you imagine how much better that would've been?
Speaking of a darker story, VENOM should've been their worst threat, their gravest mistake. He should've caused more chaos. HE should've killed more characters rather than just Kraven (like Rio, Ganke, MJ, or even Ashley). He should've reminded everyone that "Kraven and all the others were just a warm-up." He should've been the opposite of what Harry wanted to do in the beginning of the story. Harry wanted to heal the word, right? And Peter wanted to take away the one thing that kept him alive from doing anything? So why not envenomate the world he wanted to heal, and destroy everything and everyone Peter holds dear. Might sound bad when I describe it but obviously that is where Insomniac and their writers come in to do the job. Would've given Venom more personality I guess.
When it comes to gameplay, we should've had more playtime with Venom. We should've been able to turn civilians into Symbiotes as Venom for the Third Act. Hell, making Miles and Peter as temporary boss-fights so we can fight them as Venom would've been cool.
And about what Irogen said with post-credit scenes. First game obviously had it better. This one should've had better. The Norman and Otto scene was interesting I guess, but not as exciting as the Symbiote one from the first. And I didn't care for the 2nd scene for this game. Why couldn't we just get a deeper teaser for Knull or the Symbiote world?
And of course, we should've had a more culminative moment for the final boss-fight in the Third Act. I really don't get it, the series had so many great boss moments: The Sandman fight, fighting 2 different bosses at the same time, CHASE sequences of numerous bosses, OPENWORLD boss encounters (taskmaster), BOTH the Spider-Man fighting one boss while tag-teaming, cinematic moments of bosses throwing you through buildings (Sandman and Miles), wall-combat (Otto and Peter), and so many others. Why couldn't all of those culminate to the Venom fight? We've been waiting to fight Venom for years. Venom should have been the best, most culminating boss encounter yet.
- Both Miles and Pete should've chased Venom (I still don't get why they didn't do that)
- Venom should've stayed as an open-world boss-fight, fighting him building-2-building/street-2-street
- Venom fight should have been a tag-team AK-styled fight rather than separately for both
- Scream and other Symbiote bosses (like Riot) should have fought you alongside Venom
- Venom SHOULD'VE TURNED Sandman sized at some point Web of Shadows styled
- There should have been more moments like when Sandman threw Miles halfway across the city, so Venom throwing Peter and Miles across the city or just jumping them across the city like Taskmaster
- Wall-combat between Venom and the Spider-Men, like the one with Otto and Peter
- Venom shouldn't have had those wings...
With everything I mentioned about Venom, including him turning civilians into Symbiote minions, Venom should've had more sequences throughout the entirety of the Third Act, rather than just the 2 boss-encounters and the "Don't Be Scared" mission.
In conclusion, they shouldn't have held back with this game, I wish they went all out and overdelivered. I really hope they don't hold back on Norman/Green Goblin :/
I think that this game was released a year too early, it should have seen a year of more development, we see that there are things that were rushed and that Sony stops putting its nose into projects like That.
I found the story very cool especially with Kraven, but once Venom arrives it happens too quickly, Venom and very cool really it's the Venom that I wanted to see but we don't see him enough.
On the other hand, the Gameplays for me are a 10/10, so much fun to play.
Anyone else feel they shouldn't have went symbiote in the first place? It makes the first game feel incredibly low stakes in comparison. + G serum? Don't tell me we're getting another sinister six where doc ock/venom gets something and turns the city into infected wasteland again. We get it insomniac played Arkham knight but the whole trilogy don't need to be Arkham Knights thrid act three times but in NYC.
i really wish they were given more time to polish the game more. We wouldve gotten things like NG+ on launch. The story feels like the rushed venom and other things and it just makes it so we barely get any venom.
Honestly I'm good with it all, i really enjoy the game and have alot of playthroughs already but I do feel the symbiote storyline could've been longer but I'm still happy with it, Spider-Man 3 definitely seems like it's gonna be the big one though as it's also insomniacs final game with the Spider-Man license
I think they cut alot of content in the game, and i think before the game even release, i felt someone is going to d!£. And I'm expecting it's Mary Jane and doing the Gwen event but in reverse.
The real reason its forgettable is because Sweet baby inc was heavily involved
What about dlc 😢😢😢
Spiderman 2 is such a rushed game I have played through it alot recently with the new game plus and the story is so rushed by Act 2. The most memorable thung about the game is Kraven for me he is a phenomenal villain
I didn’t even finish the game lol
Think about it, im sure if the creators and developers care about how well they want their games to be, then theyll make the third game alot better
I think a Spider-Man 2 dlc would be better than a venom game or a dlc since it could make Spider-Man 3 a even better game
the story is terrible and badly paced, the first one had a much better story, harry should've died at the end of this game it would've at least made it feel like there were permanent consequences, plus all of the side missions sucked apart from the mysterio side mission and most of the villains featured in the 2nd game just felt like they were glorified cameos/easter eggs and felt so wasted or they've experienced significant changes that we never actually get to see on screen like tombstone who was redeemed off screen, kraven and venom are the only memorable villains from this game and even then venom wasn't even in the game for that long. The story felt very rushed. And the resentment norman has towards both spiderman at the end of the game doesn't even make any logical sense cos they actually saved harry's life, it literally makes no sense for norman to want revenge on spiderman since harry is still alive.
There is so much wrong and contradictions on what you say that I don’t know where to start.
I mean it literally the game but u get to play the two characters and fight venom that it
i think they shouldnt be an symbiote invasion but a lizzard invasion abc i feel like the invasion ruined the venom history it feel less ersonalithink it was reserved for carnage
Ehh this lizard wasn't on the more sentient side to really commit to the idea of trying to infect the city with his blood
Peter should’ve been asking how MJ got uglier between two games
Bruh it's not funny or something anymore, her face in some moments looks ok and in other it does not but that's the problem with a lot of insomniac faces not only her :P
You can tell when people don't know what something forgettable is, the truth is, and I think this video is an example of how they don't know what something forgettable is.
Your still criticizing a year old game
Honestly this game felt like it left a sour aftertaste when it came to its dynamic between miles and peter like insomniac spent two games showing the brotherlike bond between the two and leading up to the big sequel being a "darker" look on thier story i was expecting to see how thier relationship would've been strained so by the time peter and miles fight and this dramatic dialogue is being shared it really feels like we didn't get to see these two properly interact to really justify said dialogue ya know? And it doesn't help that when we get to the big finale with venom that miles really had nothing to work with so thier dynamic feels awkward. I know it's a pipedream but i really hope we get a directors cut for spider-man 2 and that sony doesn't rush when the inevitable sequel drops a few years from now because if they were already struggling with 2 spidermen and several villans id imagine it would be a nightmare for the next one. But nice video tho
The game was lack luster in gameplay and story. Gameplay had marginal improvements on a game that was overall simplistic and had no depth. The combat skill tree is cheap, full of fluff like every AAA game these days.swinging still feels hand holdy due to the nature of hiw it was designed. With its little improvement, its not enough to claim a sequel. Physics is still janky and Spidey spazes out when you swing anywhere other than forward or holding your web. Its a lazy game in general, they knew they didn't have to do much
The had to cut good content for woke content. Pretty common in modern media.
The thing with MJ is that her qualms with Peter were thin. She didn't have a reason to resent him at all. If they had Peter act more of an asshole with the symbiote, so that he really hurt MJ emotionally, she could've been a better villain, but she focused on "you can't pay your bills." Peter never forced her to work at the bugle. He never forced her to pay his mortgage, and he NEVER FORCED HER to help him as Spider-Man. MJ WANTED to be his "partner" in the first game. MJ was just really annoying, blaming Peter for things that he never made her do, and she volunteered for, and Peter just apologized for this. If they had used Peters symbiotic personality to really affect MJ such that they break up and she internalizes his words. She could've gone to Harry for support, where he then turns her into Scream and she becomes a small villain in the same way the first game handled the sinister six villains. Peter wraps up their crimes and eventually locates them to send them back to RAFT. Real consequences like Peter and MJ splitting up after game 2 could've also set up a potential love arc with Gwen Stacy, as we havent seen her yet in the insomniac universe, which could've led to game 3 events, giving us Spider-Gwen AND Silk. Couldve even led into a spin-off game similar to Miles Morales where you play as Gwen and Cindy instead of Peter and Miles.
SM1 is better .. sorry brother
Overall, I think the story in Spiderman 1 is more memorable and stays in your mind a lot longer compared to the sequel.
@@AmariMarvelous I agree
I Disagree But Understand To Me This What Makes It Not Forgettable For Me Spider Man Peter MJ Miles Kraven Harry Venom Sandman Mysterio Martin Li And Let Not Forget His Side Missing Being So Good
Entire venom mission and venom vs kraven boss fight is really good and unforgettable for me
Marry Jane was the worst part of the story. She was better in the 2018 game.
XD where was she better, she was much less annoying in spider man 2
The fact that this whole storyline with the symbiote took place across the span of a few days while the symbiote city section only lasted for one is what failed this game. These storylines needed more time to breathe. Peter should have had the symbiote longer, and he should have gone meaner. I feel like his relationship with MJ should have been left fractured, that way they could try to repair it in the third game. Venom should have also been given more screen time.
Bro grow up
This entire video feels forgettable..
Man is upset
Yeah and the same argument made by anti: feel rushed, Peter is apparently nerfed, no consequences and any other rubbish.
@user-ts9qz5oy3j he wasn't nerft TheGamingRift literally debunked someone saying the same thing, and Colin also did a live stream debunking someone saying that Peter got nerft
The sex was forgettable.but I'm not complaining. She'll be alright, lol
Story was garbage and rushed because they had to put miles in it for their DEI and ruined Peter Parker/ Spider-Man in the process
Miles has been Spider-man for a whole generation now fam.
lol WRONG it was garbage because insomniac doesn’t know how to write and balance two different characters while simultaneously making their stories Interesting. I hate when Spider-Man fans try to shift blame solely on miles
Aaaaaand that's why u suck
It was rushed because if sony... what are you taking cause I want some
@@shaunavant532 no you don't fam, clearly it's too strong, cause buddy is TWEAKING
You are completely wrong it’s a great game
I gave the game a 9.5/10 and took 3 opportunities in this very video to praise the game, even calling it one of the top 5 superhero games ever made.
You are free to disagree with my criticisms, but to put words in my mouth is wild. At no point have I said Spider-Man 2 isn’t a great game. I even call it great in this video.
@@Irogen ppls comprehensive skills is so low it's wild af. Holy shit 😂😂
it feels forgettable but here you are 6months later making videos about it 😂
8 months actually :)
It’s a game I loved, but wish the story had more depth, so yes, I am giving opinionated constructive criticism.
The game is azz thee end