There is literally video from on the ground showing the damage to the tail from anti-aircraft. Anyone with a brain knows Russia shot it down. Try not to be so edgy
like Navalny, the Skripals, NS2, no, Russia did not do it. nor did Russia invade Ukraine. The West installed Nazis in Kiev, who targeted Donetsk for 8 years before Russia responded.
People really need to do their research to see how much of this the west starts and instigates just to create villains. And the media supporting it without any REAL journalism is criminal.
Russia shot down Korean airlines 1983 killing 269 people, MH17 killing 298 people and now this. Iran shot down Ukrainian plane in 2020 killing 176 people so there is plenty of evidence of them shooting down civilian planes
"We the people" of America ,of the people , by the people and for the people made " OUR" country strong ,all races ,colors , religions, united , "we" gave our blood , sweat and tears ....NOT this organization called government.
In flight video by a passenger shows damage to the trailing edge of one of the left wing flap fairings that is consistent with being hit by shrapnel-not a bird strike, which would have rendered damage to the leading edge of the craft. Subsequent videos of the tail section at the crash site show similar damage of entry “wounds” to that portion of the fuselage. None of this is consistent with Russia’s “bird strike” explanation that they posited before the wreckage was done smoldering. Pretty damning circumstantial, if you ask me.
@@sheepdog457 russia never said it was a bird strike... "initial reports" said it was a bird strike. the russians are notorious for never saying anything unless they are 1 million percent certain.
@IsItWorthBothering Well, that's what it takes. Ownership. Imagine if the media operated the same way when they published false stories? It would be an amazing world.
@ Ownership? Apparently they were passing it off as a bird strike until they realized it wasn’t going to work. Also the Korean Airlines flight they shot down… deny, deny deny until it irrefutable.
@@MR-xc3sw we are right 10% of the times. If not we will make sure that it was the truth 90% of the time. What has Russia shown to be good at? The US would have taken over Ukraine in 2 weeks. Russia needed North Korean help LOL
But they recovered the black boxes! Oh. I guess they're telling the investigators what they need to find on the black boxes if they know what's good for them? How about telling us when we can expect results from the black boxes?
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statement from biden.....hahahaha yeah riiiggghhhhht
Absolutely not. It depends on the size/type of missile. Most missiles have proximity fuses so a missile could have detonated further away from the aircraft. The fact that the plane appears to have lost all hydraulic control (no flaps, elevator or aileron movements) suggests that hydraulic lines had been damaged, either from an internal or external explosion.
@@davidk2906 you should read " the art of the deal " . Understanding negotiation tactics would ease your mind . You hurt your own cause by acting adversarial to someone you NEED to work with . You should have picked up on this long before now. T is a master negotiator.
It takes a nation who has shot down their own jet to know when another does it. Remember 9/11 when we shot down our own jet and lied about it? And we say any jet that went down in Russia is clearly shot down. Takes one to know one 🤷
It wasn't. There is footage (shared on TG channels) where passengers took photos/filmed before the crash. A passenger was injured by the shrapnel that hit the plane.
It was intact because SAMs don't directly hit their target. They explode near the target and send shrapnel. That is why you see the shotgun blast patterns on the planes surface.
You obviously don't know how interception missiles work. The missile may miss the target a bit but the shrapnel makes it harder for the target to go without getting hit. Shrapnel are small metal balls that the missile scatters when it explodes.
stop making sense! next you'll be asking if something was fired at a drone or the like, why is there fighting over Grozny? who is attacking Grozny and aren't they responsible for creating conditions of war over an airspace? well, it ain't Russia. like Navalny, the Skripals, NS2, no, Russia did not do it.
So, we can say that Russia shot down the plane, but we don't know what is flying over New Jersey?
dayyam! you go! like finding passports in a gigantic rubble pile. easy to do when the evidence is planted, a la MH17.
Good point. My guess the US is responsible for both.
There is literally video from on the ground showing the damage to the tail from anti-aircraft. Anyone with a brain knows Russia shot it down. Try not to be so edgy
@@MR-xc3sw
...quite sure!
Cui bono?
@@furryflyingoncat there was a coup in Ukraine in 2014 . You can thank Obama for that.
Theres nothing quite like immediate propaganda
it was absolutely shot down, that is not in doubt BUT as to who....guess we will see
like Navalny, the Skripals, NS2, no, Russia did not do it. nor did Russia invade Ukraine. The West installed Nazis in Kiev, who targeted Donetsk for 8 years before Russia responded.
tf?
Must be nice to be a puppet. Zero independent thinking skills required 😑
People really need to do their research to see how much of this the west starts and instigates just to create villains. And the media supporting it without any REAL journalism is criminal.
I wondered how long before they blamed Russia or Iran
Russia shot down Korean airlines 1983 killing 269 people, MH17 killing 298 people and now this. Iran shot down Ukrainian plane in 2020 killing 176 people so there is plenty of evidence of them shooting down civilian planes
@@maxdout564 And Putin just admitted it and sent his apologies.
Aaah yes, “America says…” Noordstroom anyone?
LOL The swamp thinks we still all believe their BS
We believed it from 2017 to 2021. We will believe it for at least another four years.
Was a NATO plane. NATO nations use that model of plane for their airline corporations.
@@Wizardof Nope … check your facts, not the narrative you want to put forward.
The famous and reliable us officials..
...about Saddams WMD.
...Assads chemical weapons.
...Gaddafis implications in international terrorism.
...
What you don't blindly believe everything the US GOVERNMENT tells you ?
Who needs them anyway. The evidence is clear to us it was shot down.
@@rinaldogambari7961 And Putin just admitted it and put out an apology.
"Let me be clear".....will go down in history as an Americanism for I am a total dipstick liar.
"We the people" of America ,of the people , by the people and for the people made " OUR" country strong ,all races ,colors , religions, united , "we" gave our blood , sweat and tears ....NOT this organization called government.
Who made the government?
😢😢😢, poor helpless innocents
False Flag
No.
It must be true if it came from US "officials". 🙄
@@dextermorgan1 Yes … apparently it was true. Russia DID shoot it down (along with a bunch of other civilian aircraft over the years).
I thought I saw TH-camrs with close ups of crashed plane with bullet holes, wasn’t sure if that was accurate
In flight video by a passenger shows damage to the trailing edge of one of the left wing flap fairings that is consistent with being hit by shrapnel-not a bird strike, which would have rendered damage to the leading edge of the craft. Subsequent videos of the tail section at the crash site show similar damage of entry “wounds” to that portion of the fuselage. None of this is consistent with Russia’s “bird strike” explanation that they posited before the wreckage was done smoldering. Pretty damning circumstantial, if you ask me.
No, you saw TH-camrs claimig they were bullet holes. None of these idiots are forensics experts.
@@sheepdog457 russia never said it was a bird strike... "initial reports" said it was a bird strike. the russians are notorious for never saying anything unless they are 1 million percent certain.
If our government is saying that then you know it's not true lol.
Very sad.
What are you learning Kelly?
Not to fly to Russia...now back to you.
US intel agencies. Very reputable source. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 What ever they say about Russia I'll believe. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What have they been wrong about? Didn’t they warn Russia about concert attack
@@azulaquaza4916 you believe the US government ? Bahahaha Bahahaha Bahahaha Bahahaha Bahahaha.
@@MR-xc3sw When it comes to warning other countries or figuring out who’s at fault they usually are right about it.
@azulaquaza4916 I can't believe anyone trusts anything the US government tells them.
@@azulaquaza4916 says who ? The US government lol
Yeah... Dont believe that.
@@claypoole702 Believe it now Putin just admitted it and offered an apology.
@IsItWorthBothering Well, that's what it takes. Ownership. Imagine if the media operated the same way when they published false stories?
It would be an amazing world.
@ Ownership? Apparently they were passing it off as a bird strike until they realized it wasn’t going to work. Also the Korean Airlines flight they shot down… deny, deny deny until it irrefutable.
Yes and Americans behind TWA800 AIRCRASH in 1996
Only if, can you not say it might of been accidentally hit by an Russian air defence system
IT WAS RUSSIA....
Hillary's Russia Russia Russia
Yeah if the USA says so it couldn't be a lie could it.
Lol Critical thinking isn't a strong point of yours, is it? 🤦
@@dextermorgan1
Why are men better women?
@@MR-xc3sw we are right 10% of the times. If not we will make sure that it was the truth 90% of the time. What has Russia shown to be good at? The US would have taken over Ukraine in 2 weeks. Russia needed North Korean help LOL
May have struck? It's pretty obvious given the facts at this point from pictures on the inside and outside.
But they recovered the black boxes!
Oh. I guess they're telling the investigators what they need to find on the black boxes if they know what's good for them?
How about telling us when we can expect results from the black boxes?
statement from biden.....hahahaha yeah riiiggghhhhht
Biden can't leave soon enough.
Love Biden
I heard it was birds that hit plane.
The hell are you doing trying fly in there! I hear it's a great vacation spot😂
Nato shoots down a commercial airliner and blames Russia for shooting down a Russian airliner okay, that makes sense😂😂😂😂
NATO Can’t even hit there, no range 😂 russian bot.
Yes, our NATO bases in Grozny. Too funny.
We all know Russia did it. Putin should be held personally accountable.
Like NS2, eh.
If the plane is hit by air defenses, the plane will not fly all the way to the ground, but will dismantle in the air.😂
Yep
Depends. Didn't hit the engine
It was only partially hit it seems, possibly just by shrapnel. Look at the damage to the wing/body.
🙄
Absolutely not. It depends on the size/type of missile. Most missiles have proximity fuses so a missile could have detonated further away from the aircraft.
The fact that the plane appears to have lost all hydraulic control (no flaps, elevator or aileron movements) suggests that hydraulic lines had been damaged, either from an internal or external explosion.
RUSSIA # 1
@@williecaraballo2242 the top suspect is the USA.
Donald Trump: "Vladimir Putin likes me , and I like him."
@@davidk2906 you should read " the art of the deal " . Understanding negotiation tactics would ease your mind . You hurt your own cause by acting adversarial to someone you NEED to work with . You should have picked up on this long before now. T is a master negotiator.
Biden has done more damage to the USA than putin ever will. Well not biden but whoever is pulling the strings. He is a just talking head , barely.
@@MR-xc3sw "the art of the deal" , the bankruptcy deal.
@@MR-xc3sw Who is pulling the strings?
@AlbertHess-xy7ky I just suggested something that would help inform you .
It takes a nation who has shot down their own jet to know when another does it. Remember 9/11 when we shot down our own jet and lied about it? And we say any jet that went down in Russia is clearly shot down. Takes one to know one 🤷
Stop making up stuff about 9/11. The US didn't shoot down a passenger plane.
Never knew there was a story like that. We were trying to reach and ram it, but they never got close. Okay, back to the Russia story.
Bird strike? IT WAS SHOT DOWN! Total loss of Hydraulics' and shrapnel holes in tail etc. Damn Russians did it!
BS.
Can you say C. I. A. ?
@@KD-lb9bg wow…. Just wow. Putin just admitted it and offered an apology.
@ Wow……Just wow. Even a broken clock is right twice per day, Lolololololol……….
Why was plane perfectly intact before crash? Can’t anyone wait for more info from black box? Just sounds like bullshit
It wasn't. There is footage (shared on TG channels) where passengers took photos/filmed before the crash. A passenger was injured by the shrapnel that hit the plane.
Who told you that the plane was “perfectly intact before crash”?
It was intact because SAMs don't directly hit their target. They explode near the target and send shrapnel. That is why you see the shotgun blast patterns on the planes surface.
It wasn't.
Nice profile picture Igor.
Was any Americans on it I wonder……….
Hilary Clinton
@we’re not that lucky 🍀
@@sasquatch907 a guy can dream
Hypothesis not hypotheses weirdo
No shyt Sherlock..
If it was shot down wouldn’t there be fire in the sky and a smoke trail? 👀
Shrapnel. See the footage that passengers took while in flight.
Nope. Depends what was hit. Most missiles have a proximity fuse that will detonate the explosive even without making a direct hit.
You obviously don't know how interception missiles work. The missile may miss the target a bit but the shrapnel makes it harder for the target to go without getting hit. Shrapnel are small metal balls that the missile scatters when it explodes.
stop making sense! next you'll be asking if something was fired at a drone or the like, why is there fighting over Grozny? who is attacking Grozny and aren't they responsible for creating conditions of war over an airspace? well, it ain't Russia. like Navalny, the Skripals, NS2, no, Russia did not do it.
Not always. Depends where the shrapnel hits like engines and fuel tanks.
So many rushin bots on comments.
Harris
🤷♀️🫚🛡️👀
Ukraine
KAL 007 1983
Sure definatly was by CIA