"Professional Photography is No Longer Needed"
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Today we are sitting down to discuss how the photography profession has changed and why there are still plenty of opportunities going forward. Get your name out there as a photographer- • Why No One Cares About...
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Really enjoying mixing in these more discussion style videos in with the vlog content. The goal today is to open your mind to new business avenues with photography during these constantly evolving digital times. Thanks for watching!
I agree, it sets you apart!
Started solely as an Automotive photographer, as it was my main passion. Branched out into Product, Portraits, Landscapes and Real Estate work. That grew into all of my clients asking if I also did video. After saying no over and over again, one day I decided to say, yes, I do do video. Fast forward 2 years later and video is about 75% of my workflow.
The key to success in this field is constant growth and learning new skills. The more branches your skill tree has, the more clients can land with you. That's not to say you should be putting subpar work out there, claiming you know what you're doing, but dip your toes in with some easier gigs and move from there.
My clients hire me because A, I do quality work. B, I'm a nice guy who is easy to work with. Many clients value B more than A, believe it or not.
Lastly, the format in which the photo is taken is completely irrelevant. Myself and most professional photographers can take a compelling shot on a Polaroid or a Hasselblad. The tool doesn't make the difference, the years and years of eye training and composition are really what people are hiring you for whether they realize it or not. Hone in on this skill and the rest will come pretty easily.
Well said, Thank you for this advice
@@voncheston Absolutely! Happy to help any fellow creatives. Its a tough job and we need to all stick together :)
I tried for like 5 years to make photography a business as a family photographer. After barely making over expenses I quit. I would rather spend more time taking photos of my own family. Not to mention taking photos for others gave me major burn out. It killed my creativity and drive to take photos; and I am totally ok with that. I now love photography again.
I now only shoot for myself,after 6 years of shooting professional motocross/motorsport in the UK for teams and companies it changed from a passion to a job,I got so busy it took the enjoyment out of my passion so I quit in 2020.I now really enjoy photography again and stick to my day job with a few gigs here and there.
@capturedbyannamarie I feel you. I have been doing this for barely any money and I’m about to throw in the towel for almost the same reasons you did. My problem is I don’t know what to do for employment. I’m 49 and cannot see myself working at Amazon for $12 an hour with no benefits.
Age old story. Making a good living working full time as a photographer is now very rare. I now tell young people to look at a career in health care.
@@scottrogers2831 what careers would be good to try for without having to go back to school? I’m too old for more schooling, but would not mind getting into a steady career that provides an honest paycheck.
@@twentyoneplusvideo0472 Flight attendant
You nailed it. Not just photography, but all skills are reaching a point where the skill itself is not enough. You have to learn how the base skill works in conjunction with other skills (I.e. business, marketing, coding, etc). If you don’t have an understanding of this, then you’re going to reach your personal and professional growth cap pretty quickly.
Very well said!!! Thanks for adding to the conversation 🎯
Great video dude! All of this is 100% truth to my experiences as well
My guy! Appreciate it 💯
This reminded me of your monthly photography as a service idea for businesses.
Lol professional photography is 80% communicating with clients. 20% doing the actual photography. Gear depreciation should be accounted for as part of the cost everytime you do a service. So by the time the gear is outdated, there is a budget to purchase new gear. Appreciate your perspective
The honest answer to the question of “is this just a scam that you tubers are selling?”
Wow. Thanks dude.
I run my own video production company and feel the same way! The gear/style/content is always changing so you have to bring value as an individual paired with your technical skills!
💯💯💯 all truth! Thanks for watching!
love your recent vlogs, the way your creating discussion points and how your mixing the different aspects of photography mate!
Really needed to hear this today. Makes alot of sense. I can do photo and video so I will push on and see where my future takes me. Thanks Evan
Great video, Evan. Loving your work.
Absolutely. Great information, Evan.
Great video! As an agency AD and photographer shifting perspective is important. If photographers want to get in the Advertising game it’s best to know where primary markets are and be there. The trouble with secondary ad markets is the budget doesn’t always cover new shoots. Just thought I’d add to your great video!
100%! Shouldn’t have assumed that goes without saying so thanks for adding to help clarify! 💯
Your videos are always so informative! Thank you!
Evan.... you're way ahead of the curve!
Great video Evan, big fan of your videos. I hope you continue to do these more discussion based videos, I always get something out of them!
Nothing smart to say, just supporting for the algorithm 🤙... Thanks for the tips and a different perspective!
Aye thank you for stopping by!
Great video Evan, you spoke 100% truth in this video! Just what I needed 🙏🏻
Lots of gold in this one! Nicely done
So helpful! Thank you!
Great video man !!! Love it 🤟🏽
You do great work, great advice!
Very well done explaining the strategic side of the business!
On point and information dense as always. Thank-you!
Idk if recommending stock photo websites in 2021 is that legit.
This is a very interesting topic especially in my niche which is automotive photography. A lot of young kids are doing it for free and getting in amongst nice cars is enough for them but for my self and some of my friends that want to do it full time and leave our current jobs it just doesn’t pay the bills 😂 that’s the real struggle I find that people are happy with subpar work because it free rather than top quality work because they have to pay for it!
We have been fighting that battle for years! Value, paychecks, free, good enough. Hard to beat the free guy. Say no to bad deals. !
Thank you for this video. I've always joke around saying If this were the 60's and 70's us new age photographers would've been in high demand.
Really appreciate this video! 🤙
Appreciate you supporting the channel 🙏
Interesting thoughts going on, definitely like a video & photo story. I’ve been trying to document each month with a bit of both just a good way to look back at the memories and how things felt.
Nice one go steady
Thank you for giving us a little bit of knowledge and wisdom.
I needed to watch this🙏🏻❤️🔥
This was a great video man, so much good info
Lots of good insight! Thank you for sharing, you da man
Wow, this video really got me. Thanks 👌
For sure, nice explanation video. Always should be paying attention to how communication is changing!
I'm a financial management consultant by trade with 10yrs (part time) photography experience and I feel like I'm in that magical space as I do business improvement on the daily but still struggling to frame myself.
Great knowledgeable information, I really appreciate it📷🎥😎!
Really useful insights. Thank you!
Love these discussion videos keep it up proud of you!
Aye thank you!! Appreciate you watching!
Great video. Sports photography is also another good genre to get into. I'm not sure if I agree with the stock photo recommendation though. Websites are so overly saturated now with stock photos it's not really worth it.
If the fact that several of the biggest photography schools have closed in the last few years, finding a legit photographer can be a real challenge.
Excellent description of photography's space in today's digital media world. I think you are nailing it. Can you keep making more videos on this subject? Thanks, Evan.
Would be great to hear your thoughts on the considerations for companies without a direct need for a social media presence to start and curate a TH-cam channel.
Well said!
Being TH-camr, Instagramer and vloger is not the only thing that can be done with a camera. The problem with the arts (in general) is that it takes time. It takes time to make a brand name, it takes time to get to the right contacts, it takes time to develop style and technique.
You are right, we are not in those times when a photographer was called upon to do almost everything. But still on the street there are hundreds of billboards with photos of models promoting a product, prints are still sold, portfolios are still requested from agency models and those are not made by recording a video.
The bestial marketing through this medium (TH-cam) that encourages purchase and abundance are what make people think “You can do it too, buy my new camera”. But the reality is that even in the past it was also difficult for most photographers, being good takes effort and time. How can we make a living from this business if the majority are of those who do this, are bad and work for crumbs? None of the big name photographers who have large clients are on TH-cam or Instagram posting the breakfast of the day.
Excellent video anyway, it is thought-provoking and the ideas you offer are definitely workable. And don't take me the wrong way please, I know it looks like a rant.
For me get good and dedicated to the art for that simple reason, if monetary reward follows then great but focus on the art rather than the money.
I agree. If you are a great photographer when are you posting video of you making a dang pour over coffee all the time?
You should be out shooting and grabbing a crappy gas station coffee on your way to the gig. It takes hustle to keep those jobs booked. Not long slow pour over coffee vids.
Thank you, it`s true
It has been truly hard to have my first client, I hope this will change at some point
Try volunteering with a charity event
Me too, me too
It will change in relation to how hard you plan, prepare and hustle! You can do it! Work hard! Stay focused!
The best way to enter a highly competitive industry is through an established mentor. Yes, if you're charismatic, you might be able to make it on social media. But if you want to work in an industry, go work for someone who has a name and is established in that industry. Work hard and do everything you're told for a couple of years. You'll gain more experience and connections than a lifetime on social media.
Very true!… Nice breakdown. Gwaaanmyooot!
You are right, so many people get their success first by working for free (volunteer). Thanks for such great videos. I just got my first paid job marketing a farm using photos I took and just did free prom photos for a group of 8 -one of my students asked me - I'm so glad they did. 5 families got pictures and saw my work. I taught three classes of beginner photography to a group of homeschool teens ( unpaid work, but I learned so much myself) it was a good experience overall. Getting the ball rolling...hobby->sidehustle->job someday. Thanks for encouraging us.
Really great advice for the current market
Happy to hear that!!
Appreciate these videos too.
Thank you for watching!
I have been doing photography and video for almost 30 years, I’m 47 now. The markets have definitely changed. Back in the day it was about as difficult as it is today for professional videographers and and photographers. Everything was word of mouth, equipment was usually heavier and more expensive. Yes, it’s competitive today, but easier to get out there and market through social media.
Back in the day, there were limited outlets for video media which was primarily TV, today there is You Tube. Today, more competition due to easier access to technology has changed the field. It’s all about investing time, dedication and producing a quality product for the end user.
Yes, I think it comes down to those putting in the hard work, they will be successful when the others who want easy, quit.
very true photography isn't dead its a new way to make money in photography the old days of shooting for weddings,and portraits is a new form of doing it in the new digital age of photography and video
Great watch! And about that perceived value is so damn true. My girl is working for a wel known architect, but the pay is not that great and people wonder why she evven does it. Little do they know that the immaterial vallue she gets is worth more then the quick cash grab. She can now sign those projects off and people will notice that, which mean with time she can build a great portfolio, get her name out there and increase her own "market value" in a more sustainable way. Good things take time and effort.
Wow!
As a photographer who is JUST now starting to upload and grow a channel, what do you think is the most important thing I can do to help jumpstart from ZERO in a oversaturated market? Im not trying to get rich or be famous but I know I have some skill and I want to leverage that into a side hustle - even if thats a few extra bucks every month. I know it takes time and patience and consistency but wondering if theres any really significant things to do that will help early on. Great Stuff man. Thanks for the advice.
Evan is there a place we can see the work you've done for other brands? Obviously some of it is on your IG page but more specifically, do you have examples of lifestyle work you made specifically for a client?
honest question: The mic is bocking part of your face. Can you explain the idea behind this? I'm dutch so I might sound very direct, I just want to know! Love your content!
Really good video!! What percentage of your work for clients is video? Is video a necessity or can you still do this type of work with just photo?
I still have photo only stuff in the social media side, one of my biggest jobs last year was all photo based. BUT I’ve found I usually make more if I work a video piece into the deal 👍
hm I think it depends on the genre/application/budget. besides small stuff you cannot do both. Filming need a complete different setup / team as a photo production. I could not image any Advertising job I did that there was a way to do film. If Film is needed there is a second unit doing this ... but then it would be totally cluttered. I mean I had people in the team doing film for social media. doing the typical making of and vlog stuff. When you have to deliver film or photos on a certain level it is impossible. for small budget jobs maybe. but I would never want to have the stress and would never take a job doing both.
Yeah I really don't want to get stuck doing both either. One or the other.
What about weddings? I think people will always need/want to have a photographer there to make memories.
That was my first day bought. I can imagine leaving the biggest day of my life to a cell phone photographer
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Iv made more money last 3 years in renting my canon gear and lens then being booked for shoots. Recently bought several RF lenses up for rent & not shoots.
What about fashion photography?
It is a link chain though when you not doing only photography, agreed with your points man, love the conversational type beat 👌📷
Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!
That’s not me but still liked it on your cue.
Always appreciate the support!!
@@RanftEvan this content is valuable to me in the professional world. Thank you.
Lesson number one: Watch great photographers who live and breath what they do.
Lesson number two: listen to what they say and you will learn years of experience.
Lesson number three: copy what they do, not really copy them but apply their techniques and add them to your knowledge. And no matter what happen follow your dreams, coz in my opinion i’d rather follow my dreams and failed, than not following my dreams and knowing you maybe successful one day.
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Thanks for watching!
There will always be a need for true professionals in every occupation, even Photography...especially in Photography where the proof is in the literal pudding!
FACTS!! Glad you’re open to the idea
@@RanftEvan Always…Adapt or Suffer.
@@normandy2501 Honestly, I say focus on the filmmaking! It covers everything you need to know about photography and then some! I,on other hand, am a photographer, I have not nor will EVER shoot one second of video! I shoot with a 1DXIII that has AMAZING video features and I turned them all off. Play to your strengths.
Ever think about releasing any presets?
Photographers are not longer needed until the photographers make images that nobody else can do.
I hate everything about this. It isn't true that in this day you have to play ball to make it big but it is the easier path. Photography isn't about taking great photos anymore it's about being a salesman and pushing yourself as a product. He exactly said it: "this person has 10K followers he must know what he's doing." But fake internet points are just that. Fake.
I'm not saying I'm a great or even good photographer. I've done a lot of brand work for large clients and photography is a major passion... But I would rather never pick up a camera again then think like this. I've been a salesman for a major company and it sucks. All sales and marketing is just tricking people into buying something, you're deceiving people into throwing money at you. "Hustling" by definition is a deceptive act. And being "on that grind" or "gotta hustle" is so stupid. This North American photographer mindset is just so harmful on photography.
You don't have to "Play the game" or do video to be a successful photographer. This mindset stops so many people from going after their art and it is entirely Bull.
reading the comments so DM groups LMAO
Can artificial intelligence make photos of daily news or sports wildlife,. Wedding , architectural photography,.
Please make a Video
Corporate headshots are still in demand and these big companies want it done by PROFESSIONAL photographers, not iPhones.
The only thing ruined photographer is mobile with camers 😂
There are soo many bad photographers out there. Just scroll through your feed.
No one who is starting should be deterred by the amount of photographers out there. Just know there are soo many terrible photographers soo many terrible TH-cam photographer/teachers out there. Just capitalize on how bad they are and offer something better.
True but there are also a massive amount of non professional photographers/videographers out there that are a lot better than the so called “professionals” …..it’s a tough market.
@@martinpickard5818 Not naming anyone but I see one in the comment section who is a "professional photographer" but if you look at his work hes really just an amazing business marketer. "Professional Photography" isn't just about the art its about the business side too.
What my point is, just produce better results at a lower price than this "professional" and you should be able to get your piece of the pie too.
Professional video is no longer needed.. I may be wrong.. BUT. I think you are wrong. First, I did not make it to the end of your video because it was long and boring and as soon as an ad pops up I either skip it or I go to another website or video so I may not have gotten the full gist of your video. Your click bait title hooked me in pretty good though, or at least long enough to watch your first few mins before the ad popped up. I personally think that we are inundated with video and youtube. Your video for example is so long, I could not hang with it. People want snippits, soundbites, photos with a story. They are sick of ads. For information, I don't want to watch video news, I don't want video reviews. I want a picture and a few words in an article.. Fast and easy to digest. Time is money and valuable. Video wastes too much time. I like being able to do a search on key words and jump to the center of an article with a picture that shows me what I need to know, not waste time waiting for a video to spool up and having to jump to a time frame. (Videos with indexes are better but still take a long time. I remember when the VHS cam recorder came out and people said photographs were dead yet they are still here. Photographs can tell a story instantly. You make a case that because of phones, professional photography is no longer needed. But the same phones are starting to do 4k video so by your logic, professional video is no longer needed. While I agree times are changing. There are no longer a large number of VCR repairmen, laser disk, cd, or dvd rental shops. Those people are doing something else. But people still want images of their children, schools still take pictures of students whether it is for a website or a book. Event and Wedding photography are still going gangbusters and there are people who still make good money doing it. People still buy images of their kids at an event, sports event. Participants in races still buy images, printed or digital. I don't think this is going away anytime soon. It may not survive exactly how it is now. Maybe robots or some type of automation may take over professional photography. As for professional videographers. They are going away. What happens when TH-cam stops monetizing videos. All the "professionals" will leave and only people with cell phones will be making videos. Anyone with a cell phone will be able to make a video, it requires no skill, anyone can do it. People won't pay for professional videography, and if the video is not good, they are not going to watch your video. I personally think that photographers and videographers.. like yourself will go away because they are not skilled or any good at what they do. People who are true professionals will continue to make money. I bet Joel Grimes and Jerry Ghoinis who are true professionals doing good ole standard people photography, event, portrait, wedding are making a lot more money than you are and they will still be here long after your youtube channel is gone when TH-cam eliminates or reduces funding to the point you can't make any money doing it. Nothing personal, I just don't think you know what you are talking about. Just because you may not have been able to make it in photography doesn't mean others can't.
Totally agree with you.
Dude, in the time you spent writing that, you could've actually just watched the video...
@@rhimiles It is a stupid premise and it is click-bait not worth watching.
@@IAmR1ch By your own admission you haven't watched the video, so not sure how you can claim to know that. Anyway, as you say, time is valuable, so I'm gonna drop this comment like a hot potato and go spend my time talking to someone respectful enough to listen before speaking. Take care.
@@rhimiles Bye-bye. I would be respectful if you didn't put up click bait. I did watch some of your video. People can make videoes on an I phone. Videographers are not needed.
3 years before getting paid? Wtf
I bought my first camera (Fuji XT30) in August 2020 and now i added an XT4 and basically doomed every other PH in a 50km area with events, portraits, motorsport and food photography (i'm 21)
Suuuuuuuuuuure
This guy is a genius
My question is: How is this news?
You don’t give any credit to photographers with visual literacy and excellence. It’s not about the gear it’s about the eye.
Ai will kill most product, fashion and fine art photography within 12 months. The degradation of peoples visual literacy means that no one needs or cares for professional photography now. People prefer photos made by the iPhone aesthetic rather than the orange-faced over processed junk that 90% of photographers produce.
Print photography and books are still worthwhile.
People just photograph anything these days and call themselves photographers
Man you are so wrong!
First of all weddings must have albums ( wedding photography )
Anything you want to sell must contains pictures. ( products, real estate, Etc... )
People come to see your video because of the photo!!!!
Photography in my opinion 10% talent and 90% business management.
But that doesn’t mean you are wrong about video, but what you said about photography is wrong!
Great video, imbalanced arms
It is definitely getting harder to carve out a living as professional photographer because everyone with a phone is technically a photographer. But at the same point there is so much bad photographer out there that if someone's work is really unique and great it will still stick out and draw attention. Check out my new street photography book to see what I mean...focalpointartphoto.com/book