VOD watchers! The main tea starts at: 7:12 Kinda interesting how you guys brought up the BVA. The only thing I know was that it stirred controversy then it just became forgettable once it simmered down. Can't believe I forgot about it past this point LOL
"It is very disheartening to be ridiculed over something I have literally no control over." -person who accepted an award requiring that very same thing that she has literally no control over.
So I'm white but I hung around political spaces for a long time in my youth, and I looked a little bit into black spaces and tried to talk with them, and there's a conclusion through that experience that i have made: those who care this much are often very segregational. The best way I can explain it is, okay, let's say there's two kinds of cultural response: let's call them "culturally adaptive" and "culturally reactive." "Adaptive is," like, imagine a migrant who comes in, and they try to endear themselves to those natives around them by engaging in their culture. Like someome from South America coming into the United States and trying to accommodate their new cultural environment. Generally, I think, people don't care if you want to keep your own home culture and heritage close to heart, in fact I think many would find that very respectable, so long as you also respective to where you are now. Like imagine an American moving to Japan, and then complaining about how "man, this is nothing like America, it sucks here, they should do things like we do things back home!" Well no, you moved there, you have entered into *their* space, you don't get to dictate what they should do, because that's their country that you're now a part of. So of course people are not going to like that. The other is "culturally reactive," and the best way I can describe it is, well, like what I've seen from the black community, or at least a sect of it. I don't know and am not going to pretend to know how wide or deep it is. But what I have noticed very much is a sentimentality of "we want to be seen as equal but also we don't want to participate in the culture that we're demanding equality from." For example, I very much get the sense that they want there to be change, but it 1. can only be change of their choosing and nothing else is acceptable, and 2. it cannot involve white people, because it is a "black problem" for "black people only," and thus any discussion of white people is shut out. You're not allowed to have an opinion on "black issues." Even though you absolutely need us because you're only like... 12% of the population or something like that. I feel like there's a horseshoe effect that happened at some point, where there's now a push to really heavily embrace their black identity, but the problem with that is it comes at a cost of being increasingly prejudicial and that's what we're seeing. It's like... they're trying to force homogenization within their community, but you're only going to end up weaker for it, and either they're unaware of that or just don't care. Frankly, I'm more convinced of the latter, because it's not about the results, it's about the message.
This whole Black Vtuber Awards was doomed from the start. First of all: it's not good optics-wise, no matter how you look at it, it feels dumb, narcissistic and racist. Second of all: of course there was bound to be infighting. I really don't want to start a culture war here, but woke are always eating each other over every single insignificant thing, and this whole thing feels like it was made to pander and to virtue signal, and not from genuine passion, so it feels woke to me. And the loli debate is simply tiring. I wish people would learn how to separate fiction from reality. Or reopen asylums already, too many crazy people walking on the streets unattended.
I remember when the stream was live and someone did bring up that back in the old days, we had something similar to this; only difference was that people were much more civilized back then and didn't rely on brownie points and "being black enough" just for some dumb awards show. On paper? It's a nice idea, but in reality: The organizer didn't think things through, knowing that they'll be thrown under the bus for not following an imaginary criteria. I agree with the loli debate though, but I'm glad that there are people slowly waking up and telling these moral crusaders to f*ck off because they like something that's "problematic".
That's the problem with an X race vtuber awards... Everyone in the world pretty much is MIXED. The whole point of a vtuber is because you can be anything you want to be. Having an X race awards is discrimination in the first place...hell man. Sometimes a family will adopt. What about that person? Culture is carried in the heart. No one identifies with only one culture either unless you're isolated from the world(the overseas vtuber community is a good part of this because we share our love of anime with japan). Soooo yea.
VOD watchers! The main tea starts at: 7:12
Kinda interesting how you guys brought up the BVA. The only thing I know was that it stirred controversy then it just became forgettable once it simmered down.
Can't believe I forgot about it past this point LOL
"It is very disheartening to be ridiculed over something I have literally no control over."
-person who accepted an award requiring that very same thing that she has literally no control over.
So I'm white but I hung around political spaces for a long time in my youth, and I looked a little bit into black spaces and tried to talk with them, and there's a conclusion through that experience that i have made: those who care this much are often very segregational. The best way I can explain it is, okay, let's say there's two kinds of cultural response: let's call them "culturally adaptive" and "culturally reactive."
"Adaptive is," like, imagine a migrant who comes in, and they try to endear themselves to those natives around them by engaging in their culture. Like someome from South America coming into the United States and trying to accommodate their new cultural environment. Generally, I think, people don't care if you want to keep your own home culture and heritage close to heart, in fact I think many would find that very respectable, so long as you also respective to where you are now.
Like imagine an American moving to Japan, and then complaining about how "man, this is nothing like America, it sucks here, they should do things like we do things back home!" Well no, you moved there, you have entered into *their* space, you don't get to dictate what they should do, because that's their country that you're now a part of. So of course people are not going to like that.
The other is "culturally reactive," and the best way I can describe it is, well, like what I've seen from the black community, or at least a sect of it. I don't know and am not going to pretend to know how wide or deep it is. But what I have noticed very much is a sentimentality of "we want to be seen as equal but also we don't want to participate in the culture that we're demanding equality from." For example, I very much get the sense that they want there to be change, but it 1. can only be change of their choosing and nothing else is acceptable, and 2. it cannot involve white people, because it is a "black problem" for "black people only," and thus any discussion of white people is shut out. You're not allowed to have an opinion on "black issues." Even though you absolutely need us because you're only like... 12% of the population or something like that.
I feel like there's a horseshoe effect that happened at some point, where there's now a push to really heavily embrace their black identity, but the problem with that is it comes at a cost of being increasingly prejudicial and that's what we're seeing. It's like... they're trying to force homogenization within their community, but you're only going to end up weaker for it, and either they're unaware of that or just don't care. Frankly, I'm more convinced of the latter, because it's not about the results, it's about the message.
29:18 "Were all children chat" said the one w the biggest booba XD
This whole Black Vtuber Awards was doomed from the start. First of all: it's not good optics-wise, no matter how you look at it, it feels dumb, narcissistic and racist. Second of all: of course there was bound to be infighting. I really don't want to start a culture war here, but woke are always eating each other over every single insignificant thing, and this whole thing feels like it was made to pander and to virtue signal, and not from genuine passion, so it feels woke to me.
And the loli debate is simply tiring. I wish people would learn how to separate fiction from reality. Or reopen asylums already, too many crazy people walking on the streets unattended.
I remember when the stream was live and someone did bring up that back in the old days, we had something similar to this; only difference was that people were much more civilized back then and didn't rely on brownie points and "being black enough" just for some dumb awards show.
On paper? It's a nice idea, but in reality: The organizer didn't think things through, knowing that they'll be thrown under the bus for not following an imaginary criteria.
I agree with the loli debate though, but I'm glad that there are people slowly waking up and telling these moral crusaders to f*ck off because they like something that's "problematic".
That's the problem with an X race vtuber awards...
Everyone in the world pretty much is MIXED. The whole point of a vtuber is because you can be anything you want to be. Having an X race awards is discrimination in the first place...hell man. Sometimes a family will adopt. What about that person? Culture is carried in the heart. No one identifies with only one culture either unless you're isolated from the world(the overseas vtuber community is a good part of this because we share our love of anime with japan). Soooo yea.
The whole implant thing just killed me... the world is becoming a strange place. lol
Listen it sounds funny. -Occo