The trouble is, I have an 87 - and rarely use it. Too expensive for a clumsy idiot like me. when I do use it, it's sort of just 'nice' - not as I expected, special. 600 quid for a copy is a bit risky I think.
@@eastanglianradio what's the point in it. Sell it, is it really that good? Can you tell the difference between that and a u87 style mic from another cheaper brand? In the 90s there was not much competition in mics then came some Russian mics, then rode, then all the others. Plus cheap good outboard gear and now good digital stuff. I expect u87 or a u47 would be hard to tell the difference from these and a new 400 quid mic.
Almost got conned with buying this for just over $300 (instead of $1000) on eBay. It is gold and the pictures of the mic make it look like Neumann but no "Neumann" label or mention anywhere. I asked the vendor if this was a real Neumann. No answer. Didn't buy.
99.9 percent chance that under the capsule deck, the circuit inside this fake BCM-104 is the same u87ai clone-ish circuit that you'll find in the replica TLM-103's that are coming out of China.
It's an old 60s Jimmy Smith blues. I played it a bit quicker, and this is just the end section. You're the first person to mention the music. I've not heard of Larry Sanders, but found the videos and the music - not the same song, but same blues feel. Thanks
@@pauljohnson4590 "Larry Sanders" was a fictional t.v. talk show host played by Gary Shandling in the early '90s. It frequently shows on some of the streaming services and this piece is supposed to be the theme song played by the show's house band.
Here, and in many countries, yes - but it's common practice in China, and of course there are people, who like to buy them, either to use, or to collect. Clearly, selling them (on ebay or Amazon) would be duping people, but while expensive ones are rare to find, the cheap products are sold as genuine all the time. I think that it is up to manufacturers to decide if they should go to China, and instigate prosecutions. They do happen, and the Chinese authorities do take action against the really big fake products - Adidas and Nike come to mind, but it's not economic for small runs of products like these, and of course some are actually very good. It's been common for at least 20 years now. Worst is when people buy fakes cheap thinking they are real, but caveat emptor sums it up. A German mic from China at about a tenth of the price? I doubt many people actually think they are genuine.
@@eastanglianradio In all countries that have copyright and patentright an so on, there is forbidden to sell such things. In Germany - where I come from - the customs make the seizure. It is the policy of this countries like china and russia, to rob land, copyright etc. And is the responsibility of every consumer to support this or not.
@@Marc-t7p I agree - but almost every Shure SM58 on ebay and amazon are counterfeits. The real criminals in the UK and Europe are the people selling them for full price as genuine. The most common ones are Chinese fake Gibson guitars - have a look at those!
I went back to the video of the real BCM104, and was pretty sure that was the one I hated -- and I was right! I actually liked this Chinese hack much better.
Ironic isnt it. The mic was sitting there and heavy enough to try on that arm, so i did the arm video and only then realised i had the whole thing on the SM7B and the condenser. When i edit it, i realised half way through, id been using the Chinese mics audio. I quite like it. The capsule though clearly has some imperfections you can just see. Doesn’t seem to impact though?
@@pauljohnson4590 It just kind of makes me wonder if there was something wrong with the BCM104 you had been loaned. It's also interesting that Sound on Sound never reviewed that mic.
Have you tried a high end (price) copy? I've seen mrwho u87 and babybottle u87 for about 600 quid. Would love to hear these.
The trouble is, I have an 87 - and rarely use it. Too expensive for a clumsy idiot like me. when I do use it, it's sort of just 'nice' - not as I expected, special. 600 quid for a copy is a bit risky I think.
@@eastanglianradio what's the point in it. Sell it, is it really that good? Can you tell the difference between that and a u87 style mic from another cheaper brand? In the 90s there was not much competition in mics then came some Russian mics, then rode, then all the others. Plus cheap good outboard gear and now good digital stuff. I expect u87 or a u47 would be hard to tell the difference from these and a new 400 quid mic.
@@bobbyboyderecords I'm a collector, so rarely sell mics - I wish I could stop buying them!!
Almost got conned with buying this for just over $300 (instead of $1000) on eBay. It is gold and the pictures of the mic make it look like Neumann but no "Neumann" label or mention anywhere. I asked the vendor if this was a real Neumann. No answer.
Didn't buy.
Thanks for the comment useful!
99.9 percent chance that under the capsule deck, the circuit inside this fake BCM-104 is the same u87ai clone-ish circuit that you'll find in the replica TLM-103's that are coming out of China.
thanks - useful info.
The music is from "The Larry Sanders Show."
It's an old 60s Jimmy Smith blues. I played it a bit quicker, and this is just the end section. You're the first person to mention the music. I've not heard of Larry Sanders, but found the videos and the music - not the same song, but same blues feel. Thanks
@@pauljohnson4590 "Larry Sanders" was a fictional t.v. talk show host played by Gary Shandling in the early '90s. It frequently shows on some of the streaming services and this piece is supposed to be the theme song played by the show's house band.
Looks like a criminal copyright infringement.
Here, and in many countries, yes - but it's common practice in China, and of course there are people, who like to buy them, either to use, or to collect. Clearly, selling them (on ebay or Amazon) would be duping people, but while expensive ones are rare to find, the cheap products are sold as genuine all the time. I think that it is up to manufacturers to decide if they should go to China, and instigate prosecutions. They do happen, and the Chinese authorities do take action against the really big fake products - Adidas and Nike come to mind, but it's not economic for small runs of products like these, and of course some are actually very good. It's been common for at least 20 years now. Worst is when people buy fakes cheap thinking they are real, but caveat emptor sums it up. A German mic from China at about a tenth of the price? I doubt many people actually think they are genuine.
@@eastanglianradio In all countries that have copyright and patentright an so on, there is forbidden to sell such things. In Germany - where I come from - the customs make the seizure. It is the policy of this countries like china and russia, to rob land, copyright etc. And is the responsibility of every consumer to support this or not.
@@Marc-t7p I agree - but almost every Shure SM58 on ebay and amazon are counterfeits. The real criminals in the UK and Europe are the people selling them for full price as genuine. The most common ones are Chinese fake Gibson guitars - have a look at those!
I went back to the video of the real BCM104, and was pretty sure that was the one I hated -- and I was right! I actually liked this Chinese hack much better.
Ironic isnt it. The mic was sitting there and heavy enough to try on that arm, so i did the arm video and only then realised i had the whole thing on the SM7B and the condenser. When i edit it, i realised half way through, id been using the Chinese mics audio. I quite like it. The capsule though clearly has some imperfections you can just see. Doesn’t seem to impact though?
@@pauljohnson4590 It just kind of makes me wonder if there was something wrong with the BCM104 you had been loaned. It's also interesting that Sound on Sound never reviewed that mic.
Paul, do you have a link to where you bought this mic?