@@Ra.Yazdani Well. That's not entirely true. There is a reason. And that reason is that there are people who are so stupid that they're willing to pay more for it.
@@aggrocd1985it looks as if it was, and its goofy. Even though they have generaly worse ergonomics than a chair that had actual thought put into it and not ctrl+c ctrl+ving the same product once in a while when a youtuber puts some different fancy color scheme on it.
It's more the other way around. Parts of PC Standards will be applied to Consoles. And Console Gaming will suffer (for the most part). - Always online DRM - digital stores (eShop, PS store,...) - digital Consoles (PS5 digital Edition) which leads to: - Death of used Games / second Hand Market - Death of Physical Media - complete dependency of your ISP, Sony Activation Servers and PSN Servers, instead of offline Single Player / Offline local Multiplayer via Splitscreen. the only good things if (All) PC Standards would apply, would be: - free to play online - Mods with external Assets - cheaper Games
@@BeatmasterAC "Death of used Games / second Hand Market" I bet that you peasant are always the first to decry piracy. "complete dependency of your ISP, Sony Activation Servers and PSN Servers, instead of offline Single Player / Offline local Multiplayer via Splitscreen" None of that happens on PC and also, there's more splitscreen multiplayer games on PC than on consoles, ironically enough. "Always online DRM" Doesn't happen on PC, so wrong again. Digital stores are good, so wrong again. "- free to play online - Mods with external Assets - cheaper Games" Those will never happen, because they defeat the point of a closed platform. Only on an open platform like PC you can have that. The benefits that PC has come from it being an open platform.
@@BeatmasterAC While physical media going away would be incredibly sad, second hand markets for games won't die, especially since key marketplaces are around on PC. I got a steam copy of Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning for literally half the steam price from a key site. Also, offline singleplayer and local splitscreen multiplayer wouldn't go away either--they're still alive and well on PC. Offline games are not exclusively a console thing
It’s already started to happen why games are getting more demanding since the ps5 released game devs typically are making games based around what that generation of consoles are typically, why console gaming is holding back what we can actually achieve also more corporate greed is with these new super version consoles that are going to make people want to upgrade again in this generations life cycle fuck sony and microsoft
havnt looked back since i switched to PC. even if my PC wasnt more powerful than a ps5, it can still do way more and i would never give up that freedom for a mediocre gaming experience
I didn't have the money to buy a pc that meets my needs, so i've been forced to use a console for a while . but i finally built a pc and have the amazing freedom
@TheMahayanist it helped that i had some friends who knew some stuff and the easy to use building tools online that auto check compatibility. i put together harder lego sets as a kid
another thing to keep in mind when comparing GDDR6 vs DDR4/5 is that GDDR memory has higher throughput but also higher latency. DDR4/5 has lower latency but also lower throughput. the lower latency of DDR memory is better for a CPU, and the faster throughput of GDDR memory is more suited for GPUs. there is a reason why PCs continue to use distinct memory for each type of processor
Exactly this. GDDR6 and DDR4/5 are tasked with different things. And the memory controller on the CPU dictates RAM Speeds, not the RAM chips themselves.
"Will consoles kill PC gaming?" is a question I have heard first time 15-20 years ago, which should by itself tell the answer. Consoles are what they always were, software and hardware locked purpose built PCs and in a way they have lost one of the main advantages they used to have: They used to be plug and play, now they have to deal with the same update bullshit that PCs do. The one advantage they still have is not much of an advantage at all: When they come out, they are less pricey than the equivalent PC and why? Because while companies can sell them for cheaper, they profit from every single purchase made for that console. Downsides of consoles and their effect on the industry as a whole too many to go into now. TL;DR Consoles will never kill PC gaming unless something absolutely insane happens like a worldwide ban on PC games. PC gaming can exist without consoles, console gaming can't exist without PCs.
All these videos with kill in the title are more sensational than literal it's how I see it. I think by now it's quite obvious that neither consoles or PC's are going anywhere. They both have decades and decades served their targeted userbase and are both very popular. PC is the more enthusiast oriented platform where the console is more generalized. If anything could kill these gaming platform than maybe it would be cloud gaming in the distant future where it becomes so popular that publishers ditch developing games for consumer grade hardware and focus on enterprise grade hardware. I dont see that happening anytime soon though if at all.
@XboxxAye PC has every game that's ever existed on consoles...Emulation, PC gaming is very straightforward...modding is a yesn't on that front. PC is just cost effective in general. In-fact I'd go as far to say that PC gaming is more user friendly, you don't have to pay for online subscriptions, you have constant sales, Steams UI is cleaner than either consoles and even the friend system is cleaner on PC...you have virtually 0 issues aside from steam doing it's routinely maintenance on tuesday nights
This dude is insane. I have a 3060 ti but still mainly play consoles ( a convenience thing for me) but this dude is cray cray. PC will always be the optimal and better experience for so many reasons, control options, almost limitless settings to tweak for your particular set up, etc
@@Barris_ I play PC but 1070 and 1060 does not beat the PS5 what you are smoking it's around a 3060/2070 super done by tons of testing by Digital Foundry in performance but the optimisation will make it run better. 3060 ti beats it but not by 2x.
@@Barris_ No that's like right after the system came out and it was based on fps on launch day games which isn't the best metrrics we have much better data now 3 years after Digital Foundry's is way more accurate
It's time to upgrade your GPU. Why do you mainly play console if you agree with our argument? Do you just not have the tech know how to play your pc games?
The most accurate GPU comparison to the PS5 is the RX 6700 (non XT). Iceberg Tech did a really good video comparing that GPU to the PS5 in multiple games and game modes. It also makes sense from a hardware perspective since both the GPU and PS5 are RDNA 2 with both having the same 36 compute units ROPS/TMU's and cores. The PS5 has a wider 256 bit memory bus vs the 6700's 160 bit bus but the 6700 has Infinity Cache (L3) which can make up for the narrower bus. You can put a PC together with an RX 6700 (non XT) for around $650. Tech Yes City did such a build. Console and PC aren't an apples to apples comparison though so it's a difficult comparison to make.
@@aggrocd1985 That's how old the tech most PC gamers run is. PC gaming at 1440p 144fps is AMAZING, but it would be stupid of us to say that that is the standard. Its not. Most people don't even have 40 series GPU's nor 7000 series AMD GPU's. For simple gaming, consoles are the best way to go. If you want a better experience, a good PC is unbeatable. And if you just want to have fun, get whatever piece of plastic you prefer.
I know this is late, but I just watched this video and this guy is actually a huge PC fanatic, almost all o his content is on PC parts and the best prices for components, he made the video satirical.
Thing is even if it is satirical he's not always wrong. Ram on chip is faster, look at apples m series chips. There ram is stupid fast. Consoles are more efficient.
@@Nicholas-nu9jx yes, consoles are more power efficient most of the time, but for PCs you can target a specific limit for your power usage if the prices in your country are too high, or other reasons. The apple M chips are really fast, like stupid fast for them being in phones, but for the price of an iPhone 15, you can get a really good 1080p gaming PC that can do more than the phone can. Plus, with a PC, you can do a lot more than gaming.
The ONLY thing I feared from the PS5 was having to waste $600 to play ONE game. Now that ONE game is coming to Steam next month, hopefully Insomniac learns from Neil Druckmann's mistake with The Last of Us, and polish this certain game. If not, then I'm playing it anyway(anything to avoid wasting money on a PS5).
Why is it that if a console peasant isn't a Nintendo fanboy, they'll pretend Nintendo doesn't exist? That's the only console manufacturer that hasn't ported their games to PC and they have some of the best selling franchises in the industry.
@@mikagrof9243The Switch ports are a mixed bag. On one hand, you have Metroid Prime Remastered, which is absolutely worth the money, on the other, you have Skyward Sword HD which is peak laziness
10:04. Getting used PC parts is great. I was upgrading my PC about a year ago and I manage to get a 12 GB version of the 3080, with it's box and support bracket for £600 off eBay. It's in very good condition.
every graphics card in my system has been used up to now. never had a bad experience. I recently got the most expensive card I've ever used. also no problems. I wish you lots of fun with the graphics card
I only get used/refurbished graphics cards now. Last two have been and they've worked fine. Just male sure it's not underclocked (means it was used for crypto mining and might not last much longer)
Dude, come on, it's almost impossible to build an equivalent PC for $500. You're almost there after you've purchased the CPU and GPU-- not to mention motherboard, power supply, RAM, SSD, cooling, tower, etc. Maaaaybe with used parts-- which can be totally bunk once you've installed and tested them. Consoles are good value, I don't think anyone will argue against that.
Shader cache is calculated prior to running the game. That's it. You wait 5-7 minutes for the first launch. Yes, the first start is longer, but then it's ok.
they're not good enough for what they offer even the ps4 or the xbox one offer you more games ,more features and they were next gen in their time compared to the ps5 or xbox series x which still offer 30fps even on 2023 thanks to 4k 120 fps the marketting fooled them all they're still not better than the last gen when you what they offer
So the overall video is a Sony fanboy learning that the PS5 is doing what the PC have been doing this for years and learned how a PC's GPU, CPU and a SSD works. I'm starting to wonder who has more room temperature IQ, Sony fanboys or Harman Smith. Seriously, fanboys already learned the PS5's "Magical SSD" is nothing more than a normal PC SSD with the upcoming Rachet and Clank PC Port. These deadbrain takes take so much patience to watch, and I can only imagine how hard it is having to edit the video. I'd understand if these were kids believing everything Sony/Xbox is saying, but this is a grown ass man taking Sony's word. Geez...
I salute you. There is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing wrong about wanting to game on a console and enjoying that. It's just kinda wacked to say consoles are objectively superior to pc, because they absolute are not🙄
Consoles follow the gradual improvements provided by an open PC platform. Look at the past 4 generations of consoles, the market of PC's, gaming especially, has lead to a competing market for CPU's, GPU's and memory that creates advancements and improvements. Without this as a basis, console development would have been stifled into depending on the platform manufacturer to achieve these gains, leading to radically differing hardware profiles between systems and most likely games performance at a much lower level to what we have today. For the past 4 generations of consoles, we have seen consoles packaging in development components from the PC market, first starting with the 6th generation and it's adoption of PC based GPU's (Power VR on Dreamcast, GeForce on Xbox and ATi on GameCube), then CPU's with the 8th generation (AMD x64 based CPU's in PS4 and Xbox One). Without gaming PC's, this would never have occurred. The moment a gaming console hits the market, it's equivalent hardware has already been on the PC market for atleast a few months or due to contractual obligations will come to PC with immense improvements later. Consoles provide one simple benefit over PC's, access to a coordinated build without fuss for a manageable price, the consumer they target is not the PC enthusiast and the PC market is highly profitable without the console gamer. But the truth is, PC's can survive without consoles, consoles cannot survive without PC's.
Ya know, consoles aren't a bad choice. I think they are awful but they have their value. Why do these console fanboys always try to oversell these things? They are not miracle machines. They are pre build pc's with a custom operating system. Stop pretending these are things from the future. It's annoying.
I was completely out until a few years ago... shortly before corona I felt like gambling again. I wanted to wait for the new ss, sx and ps5 consoles on the horizon. but could then buy an i5 4 cores with 8gb ram and 1050ti for cheap money. that's how i got back in. relatively quickly i exchanged the gpu for a 1060. thanks to crypto, prices were now very high, games became more demanding. then i got my first ryzen 5, right after that a 1080 because the 1060 died. meanwhile i ended up with a stable system after a few exchanges. almost most of it was used by someone. pc gaming is way better. can build my pc according to my budget and needs. the graphics are no longer enough, no problem old gpu out on ebay found new ones and it's good. it is my decision. I don't depend on gamepass or psn. I can buy cheap gamers everywhere. want to say i'm free I'm in the mood to gamble with max fps, then I imagine it at the beginning of the corona period, and the crypto boom - the theoretical entry into nextgen via the console was cheaper. apart from that, the current generation of consoles has already landed where consoles always were: 30fps with upscaling and checkerboarding. I don't understand how anyone can argue against the pc at all. the part is just much more versatile.
The only "fear" it causes is the AAA industry getting stagnated from focusing on progressively dated hardware. PS5 is what the equilivent of a RTX2060, thing was already a gen behind when it launched.
Joe, maybe the directx comparison can be likened to cars and gasoline . Cars have different parts, better, worse, more efficient or less efficient, more powerful or less powerful, yet they all use gasoline and process it more or less the same way, with different degrees of efficiency.
Consoles aren't sustainable imo , they have to reach a point where they cost too much or they sell them at such a loss people end up paying a fuck ton for everything else.
@michaelpalmer2143 It uses a linux OS, so what? "It doesn't run Windows" Wrong, you can install windows on it. "uses a console-like UI" Introducing steam big picture mode, now that means that PCs are consoles, apparently "is owned by a single company" Which doesn't control it, since you can install windows and use other PC store fronts such as GOG
@michaelpalmer2143 "To most people PC == Windows" And in the past, to mos people the Sun orbited Earth, so fucking what? They are wrong "the Steamdeck will feel like a console" It doesn't matter what it feels, what matters is the fact. "force them to open their store to indies devs like myself, and to offer not only backwards compatibility, but permanent sales" It won't happen, they want complete control over their platforms, they'll never open the platforms up
@michaelpalmer2143 "SteamDeck is not a desktop or a laptop"Yes, it is a portable PC "It doesn't run Windows or Mac" False "doesn't have a keyboard or mouse" Introducing the concept of controllers being able to be used on PC What makes the steam deck a PC is because it can do the same thing a PC does, while a console can't do that PC gaming doesn't need to do jackshit, a portable PC is different than a desktop or a laptop, if I don't care about portability, then I would either get a laptop or a desktop and play there because first of all I wouldn't have to sacrifice performance and graphics for portability "Why buy a gaming PC when a docked 2nd gen ROG Ally provides a better experiece" That is impossible, because portability comes with compromises. "Nintendo and Sony walled gardens will come crashing down" Sony's games are going to be all available on PC and Nintendo games are available on PC through emulation.
Even the worst pc port is still better than the console version. When it isn't a sttuttery mess, it is still running at a higher framerate and resolution bare minimum. Granted there are some stubborn devs who are trying their damndest to make the worst port ever but hopefully that trend will come to an end with enough exposure.
From what I remember of that Broken Silicon clip from the full episode, he was referring more to very specific ways the PS5 moves data when doing certain things over the current average gaming PC based on the SSD speed and the way games can be coded specifically for it, not claiming that consoles are better than PC's
I built my first pc less than a year ago. It’s not even that awesome, it has a 3770, with a 1080, 16gb ram and 1tb. I built it for about 300$. I wouldn’t take a ps5 over it
Consoles excel in the plug and play department. Funny enough, my good friend just built a gaming PC, and they can't get to playing with it right now... because their keyboard and mouse broke (an old set they had), and they cannot get a new one until Monday. So yeah, consoles win in "ease of use" But for literally anything else, you can't beat a PC. And let me tell you, I am not scared of the marginal difficulty in PC vs consoles. This was their very first PC build, and with some help from me, managed to get it to POST but can't install windows just yet. PCs aren't that hard... especially if you buy pre-built.
Unless you are an tech employee(or former tech employee) for the PC manufacturers, ALWAYS BUY PRE-BUILTS! If you don't have paid experience with PC building, don't even try it, you'll stress yourself to death.
@@starscotten So that console peasant argument is null and void and has been for more than 10 years. Of course peasants never bother to update their talking points.
What is it that PC gamers are supposed to be afraid of exactly? I'm primarily a console guy and even I think that is the stupidest thing to have ever been said by a human being 😂
My rtx 2060 super uses system memory when out of vid memory as does every gpu. lol check resources the gpu will have double the ram it really has because it's sharing the ram called Dynamic video memory...
The funny thing is that even if, as impossible as it is, a console was made that was way more powerful than the top of the line PC, give it a couple years and PCs that are better than that console.
The ps5 is just a pc with a closed marketplace. Sony decides what you can do on your ps5 and what games you can play and how much games cost. The same principe applies to xbox. On pc there are multiple storefronts, so there isn't just 1 company with a monopoly that controls the entire market
His video wasn't as clear as it could have been, BUT the observations he's reporting is pretty much what many people think is the future of PC architecture. The main one being unified memory, system RAM and GPU RAM being the same thing! No more of this nonsense about moving stuff around and trying to reduce it to fit into a discreet GPU. That leaves the big data bottleneck, reading from the SSD. As mentioned DirectStorage is Microsoft's versions of the Sony high speed SSD routines. Leaving the future GPU reduced to a collection of specialised cores possibly in a co-processor socket next to the CPU!
The only real downside to PC gaming is that developers have alot of trouble accounting for every possible hardware spec build or how certain outside software interacts with it. It makes things alot more complicated on both the developer and Player side. (This is something I've heard from multiple devs in the past anyway on that end of things) The upside is if you're willing to occasionally have a hiccup to fix and can spend the money/time into the pc you can have the best performance available. I think consoles have their place in the market and PCs have their place in the market. The idea that the ps5 "scares pc owners" is pretty laughable to be honest
Video game devs do not have a-lot of trouble accounting for the hardware spec builds, they have minimum spec workouts and they do recommended spec workouts. Usually minimum spec is the most common hardware (or a bit below it). Then they go from there, they optimise the game for the minimum spec and recommended but they don't do it for many spec builds. It's why you see many similar builds in terms of power have a similar amount of frames and issues. Higher end cards get way more performance than other high end cards because of the way they handle the information....it's why a 4090 destroys a 3090ti for frames. Usually it's not down to gamedevs (unless you've royally fucked up (**Cough Cough** The Last Of Us)) it's down to the card manufactures providing stable cards and it's why newer generational cards are better optimised hardware. It's also why there are graphical settings. They have a little trouble but that's mainly down to down-scaling their games resolution, or textures which are not a struggle at all, it just takes a bit of time.
That pcpart picker list he did with a 5700x is so disingenuous, we already have an official benchmark of the cpu performance of these consoles from AMD when they released the Ryzen 4700s which is the same cpu used in these consoles and the performance is just slightly above a 2700x, a 2700x is alot slower than a 5700x by a huge margin.
I remember seeing a video of this guy which gave me some red flags And now I see this take from Vex. Seems like my initial impression was correct Another tech tuber who doesnt understand how hardware works in a gaming setting
Just when I think you can’t find another idiot, you surprise me. It’s wonderful seeing people try to be technical experts while getting literally everything wrong because they’re unable to weigh the entire picture.
He definitely meant ps5, but he used a lot of overpriced components and even a too powerful gpu for the ps5. About a $600 pc is equivalent to a ps5/series x
You know, I play on the PS5. Never had a PC. But, I mean, it's just common sense that PCs are better. Like how is this even an argument, the numbers are right there. Surely people don't actually think consoles rival good PCs......right?
Bro... BROOO worst part is, the PS5 doesn't even have direct storage support, only the Xbox series consoles and PCs do This is tech made by Microsoft. So not only is he trying to argue that direct storage is such a major asset for the PS5, he actually thinks it even exists as a usable tool on the PS5 in the first place 😂
These fools fail to realize their console games are made on a PC and ported to console. Most console players are like most of the population. Effin regarded.
At 13:30 that guy says that consoles have a certain speed ssd and memory and everything. So my laptop doesn't know what it has inside of it ? If I go to my system specs it says what it has inside, so what does that mean ? And he isn't talking about games and optimizations and shit, no, he is talking about the console knowing what it has inside and takes advantage of it. Well shit, if I replace my 2 tb second ssd with a 6tb one it's gonna know that. Or if I put 32 GBs of ram instead of 16 it will know that and it's gonna take advantage of it. But hey I am not an expert so I don't know what I'm talking about. Nice video joe btw keep em coming.
I have an i5 10400f an 1650 super and 32GB Ram, about low to mid range hardware. It can run most games I throw at it on 60fps with a little tweaking here and there. Unlike a $600 plastic box that can barely run games past 30fps. Yup, I'm so scared of PS5.
Consoles are what parents who don't know anything about computers buy for their kids to play video games on the TV. Some kids develop a weird attachment to that product from their childhood and become fanbois.
I think I've seen that guy before. It was in another one of these sorts of videos where somebody had to debunk the dumb things he was saying. I find it interesting how common they are where somebody will say how the PC is dying or will be dead in a few years. And like in this video, the person almost always pulls out the same old tired arguments like how PCs can have different configurations. Or they'll compare the console to the most overpriced builds imaginable. Or they will just strangely limit PC in ways that don't make sense, like saying console is better because you can hook it up to a tv. Even when they acknowledge that you can indeed use a pc with a tv, they pull out lines like "A pc's place is on the desk". But that guy's build that you showed reminds me of how even a lot of PC users overspend on their parts. People like Daniel Owens or PC Builder will often critique builds that they see and give advice on how to save money or get a better bang for your buck. The difference is it looks like that guy spent maybe half an hour at best just picking whatever he thought looked the coolest or something rather than seriously thought about what kind of performance his choices would get him, what kind of budget he could have theoretically worked within. The only surprising thing is that he didn't pick an Nvidia card to make the price look even higher. Whatever the case, it can often be quite easy to shoot up the price on a build if you aren't paying attention. You pick one part over another because even though it is more expensive, it's like 1% better or you pick a case or something just in case you need it, or you pick parts with RGB because you wanted to make your build flashy. But in reality, that might be better, but you wouldn't notice it, that feature you overspent for goes unused, and the RGB you turned off after a month anyway. If you actually do want the best of the best, actually do use the feature, and/or do actually want the RGB and are willing to spend for it, then go ahead, but you shouldn't overspend on those things and then complain about PC being expensive because of your poor spending choices either. I also think it's interesting that even on PCpartpicker, that the build guide has good builds to look at and judge based on price-quality. Like take the entry level build. It's sub 400 dollars and if you added an RX 6600 or 6600XT it would be a pretty decent PC. Their "great AMD" build comes somewhat close to the build the guy showed, but also provides more upgradeabiility since it uses an AM5 motherboard as it's base. And you can see that to save on costs, they use a 600 watt PSU (still gold rated), and a cheaper SSD (people tend to overspend on SSDs the most in their builds).
@jacobb3573 Yeah. Every year, console gamers say that PC is dying. And every year that passes, PC still hasn't died. Imo, it's like that Harmon Smith video where he outright stated that there should never be an Xbox, Playstation, or PC. At the end of the day, many console fanboys think similarly and it's not that they think PC is dying, it's that they wish pc was dying or dead, so they can validate the purchase of their plastic box. The existence of PC gets in the way of them thinking they have the best of the best.And so rather than push for their platform of choice to be better, they would prefer if the best choice didn't exist. And funny enough, the exclusives coming to PC make many of them fume. To me, it always looked like they were angry because consoles themselves are very limiting, and many fanboys put up with a lot of crap in order to play those games, so when they see their abusive corporation being nice to PC gamers, and putting their games on PC, it pisses them off. Fanboys are often very loyal to their abusive corporate masters, and get jealous easily.
Yeah this vex guy is completely clueless. I was recommended his starfield video and he clearly didn't know what he was talking about. It's ridiculous how these low effort videos get so many views.
Radeon 6700 and a ryzen 7 3700x basically, but yet a ps5 is locked at 30 fps on quality mode at even 1080p. Quality mode is not really quality compared to pc graphics, because quality mode is basically medium settings, so the ps5 runs games at 1080p medium settings 30 fps and let me tell you that on the pc side a rx 6700 and a ryzen 7 3700x would definitely get way more than 30 fps at 1080p medium settings in most games. Just to make it really clear, quality mode on PS5 is medium graphics settings on pc, but instead it's 30 fps on PS5.
For nvdia comparison it's a 2070 super not so good . For amd is 5700 XT sooo nahhh im ok with my 2080ti the hard truth is Sony make bad port for pc only for marketing. I know 599 it's a good price but with no 3rd party key seller , pay for internet , and no choice . hard pass for me .
Altho I have a 5800X3D with a 6800 gpu pc at my disposal, I now bough a PS5 because of the freaking exclusives that wont come to PC ever and I bought it on a sale. :D
here is the thing price to performance it is better mostly because of the series s so if you only have 300$ and 15 $ a month then yeah but it aint that hard to build a decent pc at the price of series x and ps5
Typical console fanboy argument is that you NEED to spend a stupid amount of money to play games on PC when that blatantly isn't true, I've seen console fanboys bragging about how they spent $9k+ on a PC for gaming because they think that their console is some kind of supercomputer, so they think a PC needs that amount of money spent on it to run games at console equivalent settings.
Technically the ps5 is nearly identical to a rx 6700 non xt with the difference being memory bus width since the consoles have unified memory. I don’t understand how people actually think consoles will ever be superior to pc 😂
Yeah you're right the RX 6700 is essentially the PS5 GPU unlocked with some extra features. I don't know why people compare it to the RTX 2070 or 5700XT when the 6700 is almost identical from a hardware spec perspective.
From what I've seen of this guy he's pretty pro pc, at least he talks about the recent pc tech even if it's just him repeating the articles. So this video seems like bait to me
Why do you only play games I could play on my 2500U "Move data" means the SSD with Kracken compression and something else I forget can move information faster than PC SSD (mind you that clip was before Gen 5 SSDs came out) Xbox is primarily the one dropping frames to 30 fps, let's keep it real. Sony exclusives cap out around 70-90 fps. The PS5 might literally be a 6700. It's interesting how you write off all PC problems on poor programing but for console you say it must be the console. Couldn't be bad programing there huh?
@-Steven- Ik this is like six months old. but this video is made by Vex, who is actually a PC user and gamer. And is actually right most of the time. Which surprises me why he made this video. Well, you live and you learn, some people make dumb mistakes. Even Einstien probably made mistakes like this.
Well, consoles will always be the lead development platform for games, even for most PC-centric games like Diablo 4. That's because most of the money is on console. That's why consoles get the game and PC gets the "port".
Actually, many publishers have pointed out how PC tends to get them the most money. There are more PC gamers than console gamerrs. No, PC gets trash ports because most console gamers don't care about quality. When a dev actually puts out a PC version that is great, it runs great on console as well (usually). This is because they dev knows their customers largely care about the quality of the port. When PC gets a bad port, the console port also will tend to be pretty bad too. It's just that on PC, the users will complain when a game is a stuttery 20-30fps mess. But on console, they call that butter smooth. There's also the effect that DRM has on PC games. Publishers have believed the lie that if they don't bake in 2-4 layers of DRM, that people would just pirate it. On console they don't bake in DRM (yet), because the console itself is DRM. But really it does just mostly come down to wanting to put in the least amount of work. The amount of ports that have come out on PC that get fixed by fans in a week or two shows that it isn't an astronomical amount of work to polish of the port usually. But publishers are always on the lookout for a quick buck, and polishing a game isn't in their DNA. They would rather sell mostly to a crowd of people who would be happy for whatever crap is placed in front of them, than put in an extra week or two making sure the game didn't fall apart for the platform that ironically tends to make them the most money. And it is largely because they see that the money is coming either way.
@@AlbedoAtoned they put the most work where they get the most money. And as it currently stands, that's still on console. Now, as consoles start shifting to being 100% digital-only when it comes to game distribution they will become increasingly similar to PC gaming and their current lead may become a thing of the past.
@@jeanbethencourt1506 As I pointed out, they still make more money on PC (many publishers have outright stated they make more on PC than on console). The problem is that most gamers will buy their ports even if it is a pile of dogshit. And they aren't putting in "more work" on console. Most of the bad pc ports have bad console ports as well. Despite making more on PC, many publishers prefer console because they have to put in LESS work than on PC. Console users will put up with even more than PC users, and consoles afford publishers far more control than PC as well.
@@AlbedoAtoned for some publishers PC makes more but the vast majority of revenue is still coming from the console side for most. For huge games like Fortnite, about half of the players are on PS4 alone. Maybe it's even more lopsided with the PS5 being in the mix now. It's probably the same with COD and the like.
@@jeanbethencourt1506 Fortnite is not indicative of gaming as a whole. It's audience is composed almost entirely of young children, and as such they will play on the hardware that is most accessible to them, which are phones and consoles. That's why Fortnite is so big on console and also big on mobile. Only some games make more on console. PC as a platform absolutely dwarfs console and mobile dwarfs PC and console combined. Another big reason why some publishers focus on console is because of deals between Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo and the publisher. But in terms of actual revenue, publishers have admitted they tend to make more on PC, especially over the course of the game where people are buying digitally, whereas on console, many people choose to buy games used. But as I mentioned, most publishers are picking platforms not based on the highest revenue, but rather the lowest costs. PC gamers have higher standards, and are more likely to not buy a game if it is blatantly unfinished. Unfortunately, far too many still choose to buy buggy, unfinished games. But at least there are many who will refuse to do so. This means that if a publisher wants to make the most money on the platform, they have to put out a finished and at least somewhat polished game. What's more, most storefronts on PC have a refund option. If I buy a game on steam and it's a buggy POS that won't even launch, I can refund it within 2 weeks as long as I have 2 hours or less of playtime no questions asked, or if it goes above that, I can ask for my situation to be reviewed manually. On console, it is very rare that people even think about refunding a game, unless it is physical. I know Sony and Nintendo don't have official policies regarding it beyond maybe a once time thing. That's why when CDPR was offering refunds it was such a big deal the game was delisted on Playstation. Sony normally does not do refunds and CDPR promised customers would get them without asking Sony first. The only other time I remember somebody making a big stink about wanting a refund was when they bought some Mario Party game when they wanted to buy Super Smash Bros Ultimate. On console, there is no need to put out a polished product. Console gamers will put up with far more. Many of them assume that an equivalent PC is like 2000 dollars so they just assume that low performance is just a part of paying far less. Many others have the delusion that there is no difference between 30fps and 60fps as well, or that 30fps is somehow better anyway. Many don't realize that their port is using FSR to upscale from a lower resolution to 4k they just assume it is native 4k. So what happens is that when a developer actually puts any appreciable amount of time into their game, both PC and console ports tend to come out fine. I'm not saying they will be perfect and there will likely be patches to fix issues. And when this happens, PC tends to make them more money than console. The market for PC is bigger than console gaming. When publishers put in little to no effort, both PC and console ports turn out bad. But because console gamers have lower standards, many of them think these ports are good, and the PC ports bad. They could have the exact same performance and people would say the console port was butter smooth and the pc port a stuttery mess. And unfortunately, even PC gamers will do this. Many PC gamers also have consoles, so when a shit port comes out on PC, many thinnk they are sticking it to the publisher....by buying it on console.
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I mean he is not wrong. 70€ games, 30 FPS and controller with dildo features scares me. Luckily i don't have to experience them.
😂
When will Sony make that usb vibrator for the new ps6?
Hey bro a year passed and consoles online play getting more expensive for no reason makes your comment even more valid😂
@@Ra.Yazdani Well. That's not entirely true. There is a reason. And that reason is that there are people who are so stupid that they're willing to pay more for it.
As a wise man once said, "Never trust a man with a racing chair"
Why do you call a gaming chair, a "racing chair?" It's not built for racing 🤣
@@aggrocd1985 it is a synonym for that
@@aggrocd1985it looks as if it was, and its goofy. Even though they have generaly worse ergonomics than a chair that had actual thought put into it and not ctrl+c ctrl+ving the same product once in a while when a youtuber puts some different fancy color scheme on it.
My rx 7600x hold my beer
The only thing I “fear” is that console-standards will be applied to PC, and PC gaming will suffer.
@michaelpalmer2143 You didn't have to upgrade all the time
It's more the other way around. Parts of PC Standards will be applied to Consoles. And Console Gaming will suffer (for the most part).
- Always online DRM
- digital stores (eShop, PS store,...)
- digital Consoles (PS5 digital Edition)
which leads to:
- Death of used Games / second Hand Market
- Death of Physical Media
- complete dependency of your ISP, Sony Activation Servers and PSN Servers, instead of offline Single Player / Offline local Multiplayer via Splitscreen.
the only good things if (All) PC Standards would apply, would be:
- free to play online
- Mods with external Assets
- cheaper Games
@@BeatmasterAC "Death of used Games / second Hand Market" I bet that you peasant are always the first to decry piracy.
"complete dependency of your ISP, Sony Activation Servers and PSN Servers, instead of offline Single Player / Offline local Multiplayer via Splitscreen" None of that happens on PC and also, there's more splitscreen multiplayer games on PC than on consoles, ironically enough.
"Always online DRM" Doesn't happen on PC, so wrong again.
Digital stores are good, so wrong again.
"- free to play online
- Mods with external Assets
- cheaper Games"
Those will never happen, because they defeat the point of a closed platform.
Only on an open platform like PC you can have that.
The benefits that PC has come from it being an open platform.
@@BeatmasterAC While physical media going away would be incredibly sad, second hand markets for games won't die, especially since key marketplaces are around on PC. I got a steam copy of Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning for literally half the steam price from a key site. Also, offline singleplayer and local splitscreen multiplayer wouldn't go away either--they're still alive and well on PC. Offline games are not exclusively a console thing
It’s already started to happen why games are getting more demanding since the ps5 released game devs typically are making games based around what that generation of consoles are typically, why console gaming is holding back what we can actually achieve also more corporate greed is with these new super version consoles that are going to make people want to upgrade again in this generations life cycle fuck sony and microsoft
Fear that an overpriced bluray player might, actualy produce a framerate comprable to morrowind on the original xbox?
My Pc is laughing at both PS5 and Xbox as I watch this video.
What is your specs?
havnt looked back since i switched to PC. even if my PC wasnt more powerful than a ps5, it can still do way more and i would never give up that freedom for a mediocre gaming experience
@Xbox Guy steam deck is the best also saw you on a vaush vid
I didn't have the money to buy a pc that meets my needs, so i've been forced to use a console for a while .
but i finally built a pc and have the amazing freedom
@TheMahayanist it helped that i had some friends who knew some stuff and the easy to use building tools online that auto check compatibility. i put together harder lego sets as a kid
another thing to keep in mind when comparing GDDR6 vs DDR4/5 is that GDDR memory has higher throughput but also higher latency. DDR4/5 has lower latency but also lower throughput. the lower latency of DDR memory is better for a CPU, and the faster throughput of GDDR memory is more suited for GPUs. there is a reason why PCs continue to use distinct memory for each type of processor
Exactly this. GDDR6 and DDR4/5 are tasked with different things. And the memory controller on the CPU dictates RAM Speeds, not the RAM chips themselves.
"Will consoles kill PC gaming?" is a question I have heard first time 15-20 years ago, which should by itself tell the answer. Consoles are what they always were, software and hardware locked purpose built PCs and in a way they have lost one of the main advantages they used to have: They used to be plug and play, now they have to deal with the same update bullshit that PCs do. The one advantage they still have is not much of an advantage at all: When they come out, they are less pricey than the equivalent PC and why? Because while companies can sell them for cheaper, they profit from every single purchase made for that console. Downsides of consoles and their effect on the industry as a whole too many to go into now.
TL;DR Consoles will never kill PC gaming unless something absolutely insane happens like a worldwide ban on PC games. PC gaming can exist without consoles, console gaming can't exist without PCs.
All these videos with kill in the title are more sensational than literal it's how I see it. I think by now it's quite obvious that neither consoles or PC's are going anywhere. They both have decades and decades served their targeted userbase and are both very popular. PC is the more enthusiast oriented platform where the console is more generalized. If anything could kill these gaming platform than maybe it would be cloud gaming in the distant future where it becomes so popular that publishers ditch developing games for consumer grade hardware and focus on enterprise grade hardware.
I dont see that happening anytime soon though if at all.
@XboxxAye PC has every game that's ever existed on consoles...Emulation, PC gaming is very straightforward...modding is a yesn't on that front.
PC is just cost effective in general.
In-fact I'd go as far to say that PC gaming is more user friendly, you don't have to pay for online subscriptions, you have constant sales, Steams UI is cleaner than either consoles and even the friend system is cleaner on PC...you have virtually 0 issues aside from steam doing it's routinely maintenance on tuesday nights
i thought companies lost money on consoles and made it up for their game offerings?
@@_bhp They do. They lose a lot of money on consoles.
Console games was made on pc pc is the king forever and ever
This dude is insane. I have a 3060 ti but still mainly play consoles ( a convenience thing for me) but this dude is cray cray. PC will always be the optimal and better experience for so many reasons, control options, almost limitless settings to tweak for your particular set up, etc
and upgrading…
@@Barris_ I play PC but 1070 and 1060 does not beat the PS5 what you are smoking it's around a 3060/2070 super done by tons of testing by Digital Foundry in performance but the optimisation will make it run better. 3060 ti beats it but not by 2x.
@@Barris_ No that's like right after the system came out and it was based on fps on launch day games which isn't the best metrrics we have much better data now 3 years after Digital Foundry's is way more accurate
@@Barris_ No even if your comparison was correct a 3060 ti is 175% more powerful than a 1070 not 200% aka 2x.
It's time to upgrade your GPU. Why do you mainly play console if you agree with our argument? Do you just not have the tech know how to play your pc games?
Ah yes, as a PC player, I always feel a pang of fear when I turn my head 90 degrees to the left and look slightly down at my PS5.
The most accurate GPU comparison to the PS5 is the RX 6700 (non XT). Iceberg Tech did a really good video comparing that GPU to the PS5 in multiple games and game modes. It also makes sense from a hardware perspective since both the GPU and PS5 are RDNA 2 with both having the same 36 compute units ROPS/TMU's and cores. The PS5 has a wider 256 bit memory bus vs the 6700's 160 bit bus but the 6700 has Infinity Cache (L3) which can make up for the narrower bus.
You can put a PC together with an RX 6700 (non XT) for around $650. Tech Yes City did such a build. Console and PC aren't an apples to apples comparison though so it's a difficult comparison to make.
And that tech is from 2019 🤣
@@aggrocd1985 That's how old the tech most PC gamers run is. PC gaming at 1440p 144fps is AMAZING, but it would be stupid of us to say that that is the standard. Its not. Most people don't even have 40 series GPU's nor 7000 series AMD GPU's. For simple gaming, consoles are the best way to go. If you want a better experience, a good PC is unbeatable. And if you just want to have fun, get whatever piece of plastic you prefer.
I know this is late, but I just watched this video and this guy is actually a huge PC fanatic, almost all o his content is on PC parts and the best prices for components, he made the video satirical.
Thing is even if it is satirical he's not always wrong. Ram on chip is faster, look at apples m series chips. There ram is stupid fast. Consoles are more efficient.
@@Nicholas-nu9jx yes, consoles are more power efficient most of the time, but for PCs you can target a specific limit for your power usage if the prices in your country are too high, or other reasons. The apple M chips are really fast, like stupid fast for them being in phones, but for the price of an iPhone 15, you can get a really good 1080p gaming PC that can do more than the phone can. Plus, with a PC, you can do a lot more than gaming.
I was gonna say this guy always talks about PCs and actually makes really great and interesting content.
The only thing i fear from PS is the shitty PC ports of their formerly exclusive 'games'.
The ONLY thing I feared from the PS5 was having to waste $600 to play ONE game. Now that ONE game is coming to Steam next month, hopefully Insomniac learns from Neil Druckmann's mistake with The Last of Us, and polish this certain game. If not, then I'm playing it anyway(anything to avoid wasting money on a PS5).
@@starscotten me and the fucking ps4 i only want to play one game
@@blissband3601 $400 for one game is a waste and a loss, both mathematically and financially.
@@blissband3601 and furthermore, the PS4 was a massive loss for me, as well as a liability. The only reason I still have it is to play Blu-ray movies.
@@starscotten its only cause it wont come out for pc cause it sold too poorly also its fist of the north star lost paridise
Why is it that if a console peasant isn't a Nintendo fanboy, they'll pretend Nintendo doesn't exist? That's the only console manufacturer that hasn't ported their games to PC and they have some of the best selling franchises in the industry.
@XboxxAye I wouldnt say Nintendo has Top Quality either if you look at some of their Recent games like Pokemon or their various switch ports.
@@mikagrof9243The Switch ports are a mixed bag. On one hand, you have Metroid Prime Remastered, which is absolutely worth the money, on the other, you have Skyward Sword HD which is peak laziness
@@BroadwayRonMexico yeah like with any platform honeslty, some are great, some are trash, and some are just the same as always
There are lots of Nintendo games on Steam to download to your PC
@TheMahayanist video games and consoles have always been marketed to kids.
10:04. Getting used PC parts is great. I was upgrading my PC about a year ago and I manage to get a 12 GB version of the 3080, with it's box and support bracket for £600 off eBay. It's in very good condition.
every graphics card in my system has been used up to now. never had a bad experience. I recently got the most expensive card I've ever used. also no problems. I wish you lots of fun with the graphics card
I only get used/refurbished graphics cards now. Last two have been and they've worked fine. Just male sure it's not underclocked (means it was used for crypto mining and might not last much longer)
Dude, come on, it's almost impossible to build an equivalent PC for $500. You're almost there after you've purchased the CPU and GPU-- not to mention motherboard, power supply, RAM, SSD, cooling, tower, etc. Maaaaybe with used parts-- which can be totally bunk once you've installed and tested them. Consoles are good value, I don't think anyone will argue against that.
Video creator is wrong about alot and guy he's trashing is actually right. He also is a pc user
it stuck so much fear even sony was scared and started putting all its exclusives over to pc...
Damn that’s crazy because i actually watch him sometimes oh well😂
Shared Memory is annoying...
Dedicated VRAM is lesser latency since the RAM is near the GPU dye.
They talk about console superiority then cry over cross-play
Shader cache is calculated prior to running the game. That's it. You wait 5-7 minutes for the first launch. Yes, the first start is longer, but then it's ok.
they're not good enough for what they offer
even the ps4 or the xbox one offer you more games ,more features and they were next gen in their time compared to the ps5 or xbox series x which still offer 30fps even on 2023
thanks to 4k 120 fps
the marketting fooled them all
they're still not better than the last gen when you what they offer
Ps5 and series x were marketed to run at 4k 120 fps, but here we are with 30 fps quality mode at 1080p😭
So the overall video is a Sony fanboy learning that the PS5 is doing what the PC have been doing this for years and learned how a PC's GPU, CPU and a SSD works. I'm starting to wonder who has more room temperature IQ, Sony fanboys or Harman Smith. Seriously, fanboys already learned the PS5's "Magical SSD" is nothing more than a normal PC SSD with the upcoming Rachet and Clank PC Port. These deadbrain takes take so much patience to watch, and I can only imagine how hard it is having to edit the video. I'd understand if these were kids believing everything Sony/Xbox is saying, but this is a grown ass man taking Sony's word. Geez...
Im a casual console gamer and even I know the pc is literally untouchable in gaming something consoles can never reach😂
I salute you. There is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing wrong about wanting to game on a console and enjoying that. It's just kinda wacked to say consoles are objectively superior to pc, because they absolute are not🙄
He really thinks GDDR6 is some technological breakthrough when 1660 Super already use it lmao
11:49 king. King, king, king. None of us noticed. Talk for three more hours
I think consoles are the 'light beer' of gaming and don't come close to my PC.
Consoles are like alcohol free beer. You don't get the full experience
they made a mini fridge of xbox, now i want a router that looks like a ps5
Consoles follow the gradual improvements provided by an open PC platform. Look at the past 4 generations of consoles, the market of PC's, gaming especially, has lead to a competing market for CPU's, GPU's and memory that creates advancements and improvements. Without this as a basis, console development would have been stifled into depending on the platform manufacturer to achieve these gains, leading to radically differing hardware profiles between systems and most likely games performance at a much lower level to what we have today. For the past 4 generations of consoles, we have seen consoles packaging in development components from the PC market, first starting with the 6th generation and it's adoption of PC based GPU's (Power VR on Dreamcast, GeForce on Xbox and ATi on GameCube), then CPU's with the 8th generation (AMD x64 based CPU's in PS4 and Xbox One). Without gaming PC's, this would never have occurred. The moment a gaming console hits the market, it's equivalent hardware has already been on the PC market for atleast a few months or due to contractual obligations will come to PC with immense improvements later. Consoles provide one simple benefit over PC's, access to a coordinated build without fuss for a manageable price, the consumer they target is not the PC enthusiast and the PC market is highly profitable without the console gamer. But the truth is, PC's can survive without consoles, consoles cannot survive without PC's.
If ps5 was so great, I would have purchased one already. Im so scared
That Vex guy is PC youtuber, so I'm not sure where he came from making that video in the first place.
Ya know, consoles aren't a bad choice. I think they are awful but they have their value. Why do these console fanboys always try to oversell these things? They are not miracle machines. They are pre build pc's with a custom operating system. Stop pretending these are things from the future. It's annoying.
11:29 How the frick do yuwu drown underwater???
Usually Vex is pretty on the ball, but this take makes me think he hit his head.
Yeah I've watched at least a dozen of his videos and I'm shocked to see him say something like this.
@@Daxter609 For real. It's a baffling take from this guy.
I was completely out until a few years ago... shortly before corona I felt like gambling again. I wanted to wait for the new ss, sx and ps5 consoles on the horizon. but could then buy an i5 4 cores with 8gb ram and 1050ti for cheap money. that's how i got back in.
relatively quickly i exchanged the gpu for a 1060. thanks to crypto, prices were now very high, games became more demanding.
then i got my first ryzen 5, right after that a 1080 because the 1060 died. meanwhile i ended up with a stable system after a few exchanges. almost most of it was used by someone.
pc gaming is way better. can build my pc according to my budget and needs. the graphics are no longer enough, no problem old gpu out on ebay found new ones and it's good. it is my decision. I don't depend on gamepass or psn.
I can buy cheap gamers everywhere. want to say i'm free
I'm in the mood to gamble with max fps, then I imagine it
at the beginning of the corona period, and the crypto boom - the theoretical entry into nextgen via the console was cheaper.
apart from that, the current generation of consoles has already landed where consoles always were: 30fps with upscaling and checkerboarding.
I don't understand how anyone can argue against the pc at all. the part is just much more versatile.
Thanks for the rick roll Joe, very nice!
I don't even use windows, proton can play nearly every pc game i tried
The only "fear" it causes is the AAA industry getting stagnated from focusing on progressively dated hardware. PS5 is what the equilivent of a RTX2060, thing was already a gen behind when it launched.
Why is this channel not bigger.
Vex always has extremely weird hot takes and insane clickbait.
Joe, maybe the directx comparison can be likened to cars and gasoline . Cars have different parts, better, worse, more efficient or less efficient, more powerful or less powerful, yet they all use gasoline and process it more or less the same way, with different degrees of efficiency.
Finally a respond to vex
Consoles aren't sustainable imo , they have to reach a point where they cost too much or they sell them at such a loss people end up paying a fuck ton for everything else.
@michaelpalmer2143 The steam deck is a PC, not a console
@michaelpalmer2143 It is a PC, you can do with it the same things you can do with a PC.
@michaelpalmer2143 It uses a linux OS, so what?
"It doesn't run Windows"
Wrong, you can install windows on it.
"uses a console-like UI"
Introducing steam big picture mode, now that means that PCs are consoles, apparently
"is owned by a single company" Which doesn't control it, since you can install windows and use other PC store fronts such as GOG
@michaelpalmer2143 "To most people PC == Windows" And in the past, to mos people the Sun orbited Earth, so fucking what?
They are wrong
"the Steamdeck will feel like a console"
It doesn't matter what it feels, what matters is the fact.
"force them to open their store to indies devs like myself, and to offer not only backwards compatibility, but permanent sales" It won't happen, they want complete control over their platforms, they'll never open the platforms up
@michaelpalmer2143 "SteamDeck is not a desktop or a laptop"Yes, it is a portable PC
"It doesn't run Windows or Mac" False
"doesn't have a keyboard or mouse"
Introducing the concept of controllers being able to be used on PC
What makes the steam deck a PC is because it can do the same thing a PC does, while a console can't do that
PC gaming doesn't need to do jackshit, a portable PC is different than a desktop or a laptop, if I don't care about portability, then I would either get a laptop or a desktop and play there because first of all I wouldn't have to sacrifice performance and graphics for portability
"Why buy a gaming PC when a docked 2nd gen ROG Ally provides a better experiece"
That is impossible, because portability comes with compromises.
"Nintendo and Sony walled gardens will come crashing down" Sony's games are going to be all available on PC and Nintendo games are available on PC through emulation.
Even the worst pc port is still better than the console version. When it isn't a sttuttery mess, it is still running at a higher framerate and resolution bare minimum. Granted there are some stubborn devs who are trying their damndest to make the worst port ever but hopefully that trend will come to an end with enough exposure.
Also the fact that it's a fucking PC, and you have a free computer with your gaming set up
this is like "is mobile gaming striking fear into consoles?"
From what I remember of that Broken Silicon clip from the full episode, he was referring more to very specific ways the PS5 moves data when doing certain things over the current average gaming PC based on the SSD speed and the way games can be coded specifically for it, not claiming that consoles are better than PC's
Yep. Dude trying too hard to take Tom’s statement out of context
I built my first pc less than a year ago. It’s not even that awesome, it has a 3770, with a 1080, 16gb ram and 1tb. I built it for about 300$. I wouldn’t take a ps5 over it
Consoles excel in the plug and play department.
Funny enough, my good friend just built a gaming PC, and they can't get to playing with it right now... because their keyboard and mouse broke (an old set they had), and they cannot get a new one until Monday. So yeah, consoles win in "ease of use"
But for literally anything else, you can't beat a PC. And let me tell you, I am not scared of the marginal difficulty in PC vs consoles. This was their very first PC build, and with some help from me, managed to get it to POST but can't install windows just yet. PCs aren't that hard... especially if you buy pre-built.
You mean he can't get the one he wants to monday? He can get any old keyboard and mouse with the same ease as a controller.
Unless you are an tech employee(or former tech employee) for the PC manufacturers, ALWAYS BUY PRE-BUILTS! If you don't have paid experience with PC building, don't even try it, you'll stress yourself to death.
Consoles are not plug and play anymore.
They have nothing left to show for themselves.
@@durshurrikun150 They never were since 7th gen.
@@starscotten So that console peasant argument is null and void and has been for more than 10 years.
Of course peasants never bother to update their talking points.
What is it that PC gamers are supposed to be afraid of exactly? I'm primarily a console guy and even I think that is the stupidest thing to have ever been said by a human being 😂
Guys I am shaking in my boots, my 64GB of DDR5 RAM stands no chance against his measly 16GB GDDR6.
My 4080 build running everything 4k with godtier mods laughing at the 30fps capped PS5 glazers
My rtx 2060 super uses system memory when out of vid memory as does every gpu. lol check resources the gpu will have double the ram it really has because it's sharing the ram called Dynamic video memory...
The funny thing is that even if, as impossible as it is, a console was made that was way more powerful than the top of the line PC, give it a couple years and PCs that are better than that console.
I'm still waiting for the console to make a game
Does he know that the PS5 is a limited PC? That's basically what console systems are.
The ps5 is just a pc with a closed marketplace. Sony decides what you can do on your ps5 and what games you can play and how much games cost. The same principe applies to xbox. On pc there are multiple storefronts, so there isn't just 1 company with a monopoly that controls the entire market
His video wasn't as clear as it could have been, BUT the observations he's reporting is pretty much what many people think is the future of PC architecture.
The main one being unified memory, system RAM and GPU RAM being the same thing! No more of this nonsense about moving stuff around and trying to reduce it to fit into a discreet GPU.
That leaves the big data bottleneck, reading from the SSD. As mentioned DirectStorage is Microsoft's versions of the Sony high speed SSD routines.
Leaving the future GPU reduced to a collection of specialised cores possibly in a co-processor socket next to the CPU!
DirectStorage is in fact a non-PS5-feature, because it's exclusive to PCs and Xbox Series... 🤣
Where do these people come from? The internet never runs out
Console fanboys just keep appearing out of nowhere like cockroaches😂
Just checked, it would cost $640 to build a console equivalent PC and this is including a better GPU as the equivalent new is out of stock 😂
The only real downside to PC gaming is that developers have alot of trouble accounting for every possible hardware spec build or how certain outside software interacts with it. It makes things alot more complicated on both the developer and Player side. (This is something I've heard from multiple devs in the past anyway on that end of things)
The upside is if you're willing to occasionally have a hiccup to fix and can spend the money/time into the pc you can have the best performance available.
I think consoles have their place in the market and PCs have their place in the market. The idea that the ps5 "scares pc owners" is pretty laughable to be honest
Video game devs do not have a-lot of trouble accounting for the hardware spec builds, they have minimum spec workouts and they do recommended spec workouts.
Usually minimum spec is the most common hardware (or a bit below it).
Then they go from there, they optimise the game for the minimum spec and recommended but they don't do it for many spec builds. It's why you see many similar builds in terms of power have a similar amount of frames and issues. Higher end cards get way more performance than other high end cards because of the way they handle the information....it's why a 4090 destroys a 3090ti for frames. Usually it's not down to gamedevs (unless you've royally fucked up (**Cough Cough** The Last Of Us)) it's down to the card manufactures providing stable cards and it's why newer generational cards are better optimised hardware.
It's also why there are graphical settings. They have a little trouble but that's mainly down to down-scaling their games resolution, or textures which are not a struggle at all, it just takes a bit of time.
Didn't Joe just get done explaining why this statement is completely false?
The only difference between new & old gen is instead of being 4-5 years behind there’re 4-3 behind 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
That pcpart picker list he did with a 5700x is so disingenuous, we already have an official benchmark of the cpu performance of these consoles from AMD when they released the Ryzen 4700s which is the same cpu used in these consoles and the performance is just slightly above a 2700x, a 2700x is alot slower than a 5700x by a huge margin.
I will say to anyone wanting to dive into pc gaming. Do not try to stay at 500. I'd say spend a bit more. If you go in, go in deep.
I remember seeing a video of this guy which gave me some red flags
And now I see this take from Vex. Seems like my initial impression was correct
Another tech tuber who doesnt understand how hardware works in a gaming setting
lmaoo??? edit this was my thought from the title but damn...
Just when I think you can’t find another idiot, you surprise me. It’s wonderful seeing people try to be technical experts while getting literally everything wrong because they’re unable to weigh the entire picture.
Did he state that 1000$ pc is equivalent to ps5? I think he meant ps6
He definitely meant ps5, but he used a lot of overpriced components and even a too powerful gpu for the ps5. About a $600 pc is equivalent to a ps5/series x
nice, i got rickrolled
You know, I play on the PS5. Never had a PC. But, I mean, it's just common sense that PCs are better. Like how is this even an argument, the numbers are right there. Surely people don't actually think consoles rival good PCs......right?
Bro... BROOO
worst part is, the PS5 doesn't even have direct storage support, only the Xbox series consoles and PCs do
This is tech made by Microsoft. So not only is he trying to argue that direct storage is such a major asset for the PS5, he actually thinks it even exists as a usable tool on the PS5 in the first place 😂
you always talk about second hand market
is there anything like that for people in Germany ?
Everythng is on point, great pacing.
These fools fail to realize their console games are made on a PC and ported to console. Most console players are like most of the population. Effin regarded.
the ps 5 is just faster than the ps 4 and bigger
At 13:30 that guy says that consoles have a certain speed ssd and memory and everything. So my laptop doesn't know what it has inside of it ? If I go to my system specs it says what it has inside, so what does that mean ? And he isn't talking about games and optimizations and shit, no, he is talking about the console knowing what it has inside and takes advantage of it. Well shit, if I replace my 2 tb second ssd with a 6tb one it's gonna know that. Or if I put 32 GBs of ram instead of 16 it will know that and it's gonna take advantage of it. But hey I am not an expert so I don't know what I'm talking about. Nice video joe btw keep em coming.
I have an i5 10400f an 1650 super and 32GB Ram, about low to mid range hardware. It can run most games I throw at it on 60fps with a little tweaking here and there. Unlike a $600 plastic box that can barely run games past 30fps. Yup, I'm so scared of PS5.
Increase game prices is what I fear, which unfortunately the console community seems to encourage.
The console community litterly encourages game prices to be even more than €70. €80 games are very common aswell on the 9th gen consoles💀
Consoles are what parents who don't know anything about computers buy for their kids to play video games on the TV. Some kids develop a weird attachment to that product from their childhood and become fanbois.
I think I've seen that guy before. It was in another one of these sorts of videos where somebody had to debunk the dumb things he was saying.
I find it interesting how common they are where somebody will say how the PC is dying or will be dead in a few years.
And like in this video, the person almost always pulls out the same old tired arguments like how PCs can have different configurations. Or they'll compare the console to the most overpriced builds imaginable. Or they will just strangely limit PC in ways that don't make sense, like saying console is better because you can hook it up to a tv. Even when they acknowledge that you can indeed use a pc with a tv, they pull out lines like "A pc's place is on the desk".
But that guy's build that you showed reminds me of how even a lot of PC users overspend on their parts. People like Daniel Owens or PC Builder will often critique builds that they see and give advice on how to save money or get a better bang for your buck. The difference is it looks like that guy spent maybe half an hour at best just picking whatever he thought looked the coolest or something rather than seriously thought about what kind of performance his choices would get him, what kind of budget he could have theoretically worked within. The only surprising thing is that he didn't pick an Nvidia card to make the price look even higher.
Whatever the case, it can often be quite easy to shoot up the price on a build if you aren't paying attention. You pick one part over another because even though it is more expensive, it's like 1% better or you pick a case or something just in case you need it, or you pick parts with RGB because you wanted to make your build flashy. But in reality, that might be better, but you wouldn't notice it, that feature you overspent for goes unused, and the RGB you turned off after a month anyway. If you actually do want the best of the best, actually do use the feature, and/or do actually want the RGB and are willing to spend for it, then go ahead, but you shouldn't overspend on those things and then complain about PC being expensive because of your poor spending choices either.
I also think it's interesting that even on PCpartpicker, that the build guide has good builds to look at and judge based on price-quality. Like take the entry level build. It's sub 400 dollars and if you added an RX 6600 or 6600XT it would be a pretty decent PC. Their "great AMD" build comes somewhat close to the build the guy showed, but also provides more upgradeabiility since it uses an AM5 motherboard as it's base. And you can see that to save on costs, they use a 600 watt PSU (still gold rated), and a cheaper SSD (people tend to overspend on SSDs the most in their builds).
@jacobb3573 Yeah. Every year, console gamers say that PC is dying. And every year that passes, PC still hasn't died. Imo, it's like that Harmon Smith video where he outright stated that there should never be an Xbox, Playstation, or PC.
At the end of the day, many console fanboys think similarly and it's not that they think PC is dying, it's that they wish pc was dying or dead, so they can validate the purchase of their plastic box.
The existence of PC gets in the way of them thinking they have the best of the best.And so rather than push for their platform of choice to be better, they would prefer if the best choice didn't exist.
And funny enough, the exclusives coming to PC make many of them fume. To me, it always looked like they were angry because consoles themselves are very limiting, and many fanboys put up with a lot of crap in order to play those games, so when they see their abusive corporation being nice to PC gamers, and putting their games on PC, it pisses them off. Fanboys are often very loyal to their abusive corporate masters, and get jealous easily.
Yeah this vex guy is completely clueless. I was recommended his starfield video and he clearly didn't know what he was talking about. It's ridiculous how these low effort videos get so many views.
The way this guy talked about gddr memory really made me cringe
F*** you for rickrolling me. 😂😂😂
Seriously, who in the world is afraid of a Radeon 6700? Because, that's basically what a PS5 has.
Radeon 6700 and a ryzen 7 3700x basically, but yet a ps5 is locked at 30 fps on quality mode at even 1080p. Quality mode is not really quality compared to pc graphics, because quality mode is basically medium settings, so the ps5 runs games at 1080p medium settings 30 fps and let me tell you that on the pc side a rx 6700 and a ryzen 7 3700x would definitely get way more than 30 fps at 1080p medium settings in most games. Just to make it really clear, quality mode on PS5 is medium graphics settings on pc, but instead it's 30 fps on PS5.
I have a ps5 and there’s nothing new and a lot of games flop lately. I’m switching to pc and for sure not looking back.
whaddaya think about potato pc?
For nvdia comparison it's a 2070 super not so good . For amd is 5700 XT sooo nahhh im ok with my 2080ti the hard truth is Sony make bad port for pc only for marketing. I know 599 it's a good price but with no 3rd party key seller , pay for internet , and no choice . hard pass for me .
Altho I have a 5800X3D with a 6800 gpu pc at my disposal, I now bough a PS5 because of the freaking exclusives that wont come to PC ever and I bought it on a sale. :D
here is the thing price to performance it is better mostly because of the series s so if you only have 300$ and 15 $ a month then yeah but it aint that hard to build a decent pc at the price of series x and ps5
Typical console fanboy argument is that you NEED to spend a stupid amount of money to play games on PC when that blatantly isn't true, I've seen console fanboys bragging about how they spent $9k+ on a PC for gaming because they think that their console is some kind of supercomputer, so they think a PC needs that amount of money spent on it to run games at console equivalent settings.
I think direct storage is a ms thing.
Technically the ps5 is nearly identical to a rx 6700 non xt with the difference being memory bus width since the consoles have unified memory. I don’t understand how people actually think consoles will ever be superior to pc 😂
Yeah you're right the RX 6700 is essentially the PS5 GPU unlocked with some extra features. I don't know why people compare it to the RTX 2070 or 5700XT when the 6700 is almost identical from a hardware spec perspective.
Cause if i wanted 30fps, i would be playing 4k, RTx high... 🤢🤢🤮🤮
From what I've seen of this guy he's pretty pro pc, at least he talks about the recent pc tech even if it's just him repeating the articles. So this video seems like bait to me
Why do you only play games I could play on my 2500U
"Move data" means the SSD with Kracken compression and something else I forget can move information faster than PC SSD (mind you that clip was before Gen 5 SSDs came out)
Xbox is primarily the one dropping frames to 30 fps, let's keep it real. Sony exclusives cap out around 70-90 fps.
The PS5 might literally be a 6700.
It's interesting how you write off all PC problems on poor programing but for console you say it must be the console. Couldn't be bad programing there huh?
whats the name of the persons channel who thinks consoles are far superior to PC's?
@-Steven- Ik this is like six months old. but this video is made by Vex, who is actually a PC user and gamer. And is actually right most of the time. Which surprises me why he made this video. Well, you live and you learn, some people make dumb mistakes. Even Einstien probably made mistakes like this.
Never go full Crapgamer!^^
Please Joe "Keep that same energy" with your videos.
The only thing I fear from the PS5 is a bad console port.
I fear €70 or €80 games which are 30 fps on performance mode on PS5.
Well, consoles will always be the lead development platform for games, even for most PC-centric games like Diablo 4. That's because most of the money is on console.
That's why consoles get the game and PC gets the "port".
Actually, many publishers have pointed out how PC tends to get them the most money. There are more PC gamers than console gamerrs.
No, PC gets trash ports because most console gamers don't care about quality. When a dev actually puts out a PC version that is great, it runs great on console as well (usually). This is because they dev knows their customers largely care about the quality of the port. When PC gets a bad port, the console port also will tend to be pretty bad too. It's just that on PC, the users will complain when a game is a stuttery 20-30fps mess. But on console, they call that butter smooth. There's also the effect that DRM has on PC games. Publishers have believed the lie that if they don't bake in 2-4 layers of DRM, that people would just pirate it. On console they don't bake in DRM (yet), because the console itself is DRM.
But really it does just mostly come down to wanting to put in the least amount of work. The amount of ports that have come out on PC that get fixed by fans in a week or two shows that it isn't an astronomical amount of work to polish of the port usually. But publishers are always on the lookout for a quick buck, and polishing a game isn't in their DNA. They would rather sell mostly to a crowd of people who would be happy for whatever crap is placed in front of them, than put in an extra week or two making sure the game didn't fall apart for the platform that ironically tends to make them the most money. And it is largely because they see that the money is coming either way.
@@AlbedoAtoned they put the most work where they get the most money. And as it currently stands, that's still on console. Now, as consoles start shifting to being 100% digital-only when it comes to game distribution they will become increasingly similar to PC gaming and their current lead may become a thing of the past.
@@jeanbethencourt1506 As I pointed out, they still make more money on PC (many publishers have outright stated they make more on PC than on console). The problem is that most gamers will buy their ports even if it is a pile of dogshit. And they aren't putting in "more work" on console. Most of the bad pc ports have bad console ports as well. Despite making more on PC, many publishers prefer console because they have to put in LESS work than on PC. Console users will put up with even more than PC users, and consoles afford publishers far more control than PC as well.
@@AlbedoAtoned for some publishers PC makes more but the vast majority of revenue is still coming from the console side for most. For huge games like Fortnite, about half of the players are on PS4 alone. Maybe it's even more lopsided with the PS5 being in the mix now. It's probably the same with COD and the like.
@@jeanbethencourt1506 Fortnite is not indicative of gaming as a whole. It's audience is composed almost entirely of young children, and as such they will play on the hardware that is most accessible to them, which are phones and consoles. That's why Fortnite is so big on console and also big on mobile.
Only some games make more on console. PC as a platform absolutely dwarfs console and mobile dwarfs PC and console combined. Another big reason why some publishers focus on console is because of deals between Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo and the publisher.
But in terms of actual revenue, publishers have admitted they tend to make more on PC, especially over the course of the game where people are buying digitally, whereas on console, many people choose to buy games used.
But as I mentioned, most publishers are picking platforms not based on the highest revenue, but rather the lowest costs. PC gamers have higher standards, and are more likely to not buy a game if it is blatantly unfinished. Unfortunately, far too many still choose to buy buggy, unfinished games. But at least there are many who will refuse to do so.
This means that if a publisher wants to make the most money on the platform, they have to put out a finished and at least somewhat polished game. What's more, most storefronts on PC have a refund option. If I buy a game on steam and it's a buggy POS that won't even launch, I can refund it within 2 weeks as long as I have 2 hours or less of playtime no questions asked, or if it goes above that, I can ask for my situation to be reviewed manually.
On console, it is very rare that people even think about refunding a game, unless it is physical. I know Sony and Nintendo don't have official policies regarding it beyond maybe a once time thing. That's why when CDPR was offering refunds it was such a big deal the game was delisted on Playstation. Sony normally does not do refunds and CDPR promised customers would get them without asking Sony first. The only other time I remember somebody making a big stink about wanting a refund was when they bought some Mario Party game when they wanted to buy Super Smash Bros Ultimate.
On console, there is no need to put out a polished product. Console gamers will put up with far more. Many of them assume that an equivalent PC is like 2000 dollars so they just assume that low performance is just a part of paying far less. Many others have the delusion that there is no difference between 30fps and 60fps as well, or that 30fps is somehow better anyway. Many don't realize that their port is using FSR to upscale from a lower resolution to 4k they just assume it is native 4k.
So what happens is that when a developer actually puts any appreciable amount of time into their game, both PC and console ports tend to come out fine. I'm not saying they will be perfect and there will likely be patches to fix issues. And when this happens, PC tends to make them more money than console. The market for PC is bigger than console gaming. When publishers put in little to no effort, both PC and console ports turn out bad. But because console gamers have lower standards, many of them think these ports are good, and the PC ports bad.
They could have the exact same performance and people would say the console port was butter smooth and the pc port a stuttery mess. And unfortunately, even PC gamers will do this. Many PC gamers also have consoles, so when a shit port comes out on PC, many thinnk they are sticking it to the publisher....by buying it on console.
Lol😂 so scared of the ps5
Lol Vex the troller