you have to change your title because it's not exactly about "how to build a spring reverb module". Especially that you're actually bought all the components and soldering it in fast-forward video. The video quality is great, but the information is a bit misleading :)
@@siisihqdaa Well, you build a house, even though you just buy the bricks and stuff ready made. But yeah, people are definitely going to think this is a DIY thing
Benas St, agreed. I came here under the impression that this was going to be similar to the DIY Ikea Plate Reverb videos. Instead it's just fast-forwarding through a soldering session while Leo explains what a spring reverb is. Still liked the video, it's still interesting and informative for a layman like me, but it's not what the title implies.
I found this as I am looking at building an actual spring reverb with tank. I would love to have heard what this sounds like with a real tank attached to it.
*please* make more videos man! found this via synthtopia and it's gotta be one of the best eurorack "build" videos i've seen in a while-and it's actually entertaining. great vibe and quality work in general as well. big up man.
The tanks are actually pretty tough, or used to be. The 66 pontiac i had came with one as an option for the radio bolted to the rear deck. Worked well into the eighties til the old caps went out and fried the transformer. Some plyers smack their amps to make that crashing sound . Have fun ! Try cascading a few of them it siunds like you're in a bottomless cave
Great video. I've built a few of the earlier version of this module, it's great. I haven't bothered with the digital tanks yet, but maybe I should, it sounds better than I'd expected. The user manual for the Intellijel Springray (version 1) has a bunch of good patch ideas. One of them is sawtooth vco => filter => => vca => reverb, and use your vca envelope to also control the amount of reverb feedback. Set long-ish attack/decay... can sound very much like a bowed instrument
This is an awesome video. I def. have to say that it would have been really nice to hear this thing actually run through the revery tank that you showed. It's still a cool video. But... yeah... feels a little click-bait'ish since you kinda... didn't build a spring reverb module, but just a... reverb module. Again... still cool.
you can solve the spring disconnection problem by taking needle nose pliers to the hooks on the ends of the springs and bending them closed. though that will not eliminate the accidental stimulation of the reverb if you bump the unit as the springs can pick up that. also if it is mounted in the speaker you can get feedback thrugh it if you have the speaker too high
if your reverb is picking up electrical noise then make some shielding for it. a metal box (sealed all the way around) and it must be earthed. that's all.
This is very cool but I have a couple of questions. First, my reason - I have a guitar amp that I put together from a Hafler tube guitar preamp (awesome) and a power amp that it feeds. The Hafler has an FX send and return, which I believe are line-level. I also have a MOD reverb tank, inexpensive and still very cool. I need to build an amp and return that can take take the FX send of the Hafler as input and then output to the Hafler FX Return. My questions: 1. Not all of your knobs are labeled. Is there a dry/wet mix control on it? I would need to pass the entire signal through it, so I would need to take the mix down to about 20% or so. 2. How is the kit powered? I'm not knowledgeable about Eurorack stuff. Could it be powered by a wall-wart style power supply? I've got tons of them, going all the way up to over 30V and 4 amp. If it can be powered by a wall wart, I'm sure I have one that will work. 3. I'm a little insane when it comes to digital latency, not only can I hear VERY low latency amounts, but they drive me crazy. If you pass a signal through this kit with the reverb mix turned all the way down, is there any measurable latency at all - i.e. is the mix path analog or digital? If the entire signal goes through any digital device, there will be some latency. Thanks!!!
if it doesnt have a spring, is it still a spring reverb? one of those great philosophical headscratchers, ey, nudge, nudge? cool video and cool verb! did you ever try the blending option between tank and brick?
It's missing one fabulous spring reverb effect. The one where you lift up one end of the amp about half inch and drop it! Awesome sound only available with actual springs...:-)
Love your video, very professional! Curious how I could power this on its own? Like a stand alone unit that O could use as a reverb send from a studio console. Would I just need a cheap-o wall-wart that’s 12v and connect the positive and negative leads to the right pins on the unit? Sorry for my newb question I’m just really looking at building one of these but I’ve never dealt with power supply stuff (I’ve only built API lunchbox 500 series audio units). Your response will be gold! Thanks and cheers
Hey I was curious, how do you amplify your actual spring reverb? I purchased a spring tank for a guitar amplifier with the intent to use it as a reverb effect for recording. I quickly realized it needed a preamp at the end of the signal because of the low output, and I purchased a Velleman universal mono preamp kit, but tbh I don’t know enough about PCB work yet to completely understand what I’m doing. Any help would be appreciated!
Hi, I’d like your advice... (today) I’ll be purchasing a used Empress Reverb pedal for $450 did I make a good move or should I just pick up a soldering diy kit/station
Let me just say the Empress Reverb pedal is fantastic! I've seen and heard it several times around town and have been impressed every time. If I didn't already have an H9, I'd consider getting either that or the Strymon Big Sky. So that's never a bad idea :) Regarding getting a solder station: I'd only recommend doing this IF you're really interested in getting into music hardware engineering/manufacturing/troubleshooting/repair/etc. I've had friends that bought DIY gear for the wrong reasons (mostly they were just trying to save a few bucks and didn't care about the whole "learning engineering stuff") and they've ended up making little or nothing. Their soldering gear just ended up sitting in a closet, which is a waste of money. If you do have interest, then dive in! Soldering is fun and addictive, and you end up with a new toy when you're done. :) Hope this helps.
Thanks Gareth! I got the Belton BTDR-2H which they describe as "medium length." I'm quite happy with this one but at some point in the future I'll get other versions just to hear what they can do for my music.
Sorry you had so much negative comments on this one. But I agree the video is misleading about the building part. As for demonstration, it was more on "how a reverb can better your sound" than, what I would have expected, on how this reverb really sounds. How long is it reverberating, how big can it get? The way to test a reverb, from my knowledge, is by playing short percussive sounds to hear it's color, attack and decay time. I spent 15min waiting for it.
So all that to create a digital approximation of a spring reverb, which is already in every software out there? What did I miss? You have a nice tank in your hand... this feels like mounting a digital plate reverb module to your Ikea shelf after doing all the work to build it.
@@LeoMakes I appreciate anybody on YT who tries to teach somebody something...all the better if it's about synth gear. Great job on the vids you've done here. You're right that the DIY community is seriously cool and supportive. It's great to see folks doing creative things they're passionate about, and wanting to share that enthusiasm. Keep up the great work!
Is it the small / medium or large reverb brick please? I want to buy one but I don't really know wich one to use, the one you've got is quite nice sounding :)
Hey Lee, the audio inputs and outputs of this module will work with any line-level sound source so if you can find a way of powering the module (i.e., getting +/- 12V to the right pins on the back of the module) then you should be able to use it alongside a hardware synth.
Not actually a spring but uses a Belton/Accutronics reverb module. It uses 3 pt2399 delay chips that replicate sound of actual spring. doesnt sound exactly like a spring but really close.
This is the first time I've heard someone saying "this is digital, so it's robust". As a software engineer, I find things to be quite opposite. I have, on the other hand, no issues with my actual valve-operated spring reverbs that I thrash around in my guitar amps.
The first time? Tubes died for a reason. We have solid state controllers that have been running non-stop for decades without failure. They get vibrated like crazy from structural resonance in the plant's structure and keep trucking. I'm a hardware/software guy and trust digital/solid state %110.
@@Mechotronic First of all, tubes never died in music equipment (not talking about audiophile nonsense, talking about equipment to make music). Controllers are a different breed and not a useful comparison, clearly you would not be able to make something that complex out of valves, but that's irrelevant. You're talking about industrial equipment I'm talking about consumer electronics. For something as simple as a reverb unit, a valve unit will be so much more reliable than a solid-state one it's not even funny (I don't consider natural wearing out of the valves as failure of the unit). If you're a software guy and you trust software 110%, I don't know how to comment on that. Maybe you should watch the video from Ariane 5 disaster or something. Unless you do software for embedded devices - small, specialized, rarely changing - software is not really reliable.
@@Mechotronic Well, tubes died for another reasons and only for some applications. Silicon beat them in power consumption and scalability and in portable applications, definitely. But tubes are as alive as they can be, every fucking microwave has a tube in it for a reason. They are used in serious broadcast and military equipment exactly because they are more robust than silicon if we speak of switching hundreds of kilowatts in megahertz ranges. Tubes were powering first flight computers in fighter jets and freaking missile guidance systems! Believe me, silicon has nothing on tubes it terms of robustness.
It's weird watching someone talk about a spring reverb like it's fragile and overly succeptable to electrical noise, after watching LMNC usually beating his spring tanks like they owe him money. Also, that tank you have for display is surrounded by heavy gauge steel sheet. If you have electrical noise issues, then you should probably be focusing on that problem, instead of letting it guide the rest of your system choices.
Really misleading video and real spring videos are awesome. Half the fun is manipulating the spring while playing through it and banging/slamming the case.
you have to change your title because it's not exactly about "how to build a spring reverb module". Especially that you're actually bought all the components and soldering it in fast-forward video. The video quality is great, but the information is a bit misleading :)
@yutr7o6856e7d68f9g This is assembly, not building. Also it's not a how to because it is a fast-forward.
Maybe "Why build this spring reverb module?" then? Because he definitely answers that question.
wow ... just ... wow .
@@siisihqdaa Well, you build a house, even though you just buy the bricks and stuff ready made. But yeah, people are definitely going to think this is a DIY thing
Benas St, agreed. I came here under the impression that this was going to be similar to the DIY Ikea Plate Reverb videos. Instead it's just fast-forwarding through a soldering session while Leo explains what a spring reverb is. Still liked the video, it's still interesting and informative for a layman like me, but it's not what the title implies.
Cool workshop you have over there, neat and organized!
Seriously loving you background music. I am back at PS1 Ridge Racer 4. Very cool
Love your fume extractor set up with the hose, very clever.
I found this as I am looking at building an actual spring reverb with tank. I would love to have heard what this sounds like with a real tank attached to it.
*please* make more videos man! found this via synthtopia and it's gotta be one of the best eurorack "build" videos i've seen in a while-and it's actually entertaining. great vibe and quality work in general as well. big up man.
The tanks are actually pretty tough, or used to be. The 66 pontiac i had came with one as an option for the radio bolted to the rear deck. Worked well into the eighties til the old caps went out and fried the transformer. Some plyers smack their amps to make that crashing sound . Have fun ! Try cascading a few of them it siunds like you're in a bottomless cave
sick jam, dude! That reverb and your sound is great!
Beautiful sound
Subscribed because of this video. Good work.
Great video. I've built a few of the earlier version of this module, it's great. I haven't bothered with the digital tanks yet, but maybe I should, it sounds better than I'd expected. The user manual for the Intellijel Springray (version 1) has a bunch of good patch ideas. One of them is sawtooth vco => filter => => vca => reverb, and use your vca envelope to also control the amount of reverb feedback. Set long-ish attack/decay... can sound very much like a bowed instrument
Fantastic tip regarding the bowed instrument sound! Thanks for watching (and the insightful comment)!
@@LeoMakes thank Intellijel :-)The Springray is ace too.
Awesome, that will be my next build after I finish the Turing Machine. Thonk really is an awesome shop
Turing Machine is an awesome module--good luck with your build! And thanks for watching!
This is an awesome video. I def. have to say that it would have been really nice to hear this thing actually run through the revery tank that you showed. It's still a cool video. But... yeah... feels a little click-bait'ish since you kinda... didn't build a spring reverb module, but just a... reverb module. Again... still cool.
you can solve the spring disconnection problem by taking needle nose pliers to the hooks on the ends of the springs and bending them closed.
though that will not eliminate the accidental stimulation of the reverb if you bump the unit as the springs can pick up that.
also if it is mounted in the speaker you can get feedback thrugh it if you have the speaker too high
the way you speak makes it sound like you're solving a crime in an old movie
Great work Leo!
Great video!
What is the total depth including the brick?
Clear explanation, awesome production quality. Subscribed!
Great video - very watchable. Thanks
if your reverb is picking up electrical noise then make some shielding for it. a metal box (sealed all the way around) and it must be earthed. that's all.
I think he was probably talking about it picking up physical vibrations
@@FowlerAskew don't think so since he specifically mentions it picking up noise from his power supply
physical spring tank is better because you can slap it to make thunder sounds
Really nice video and demo!
Are there any Strymon Reverb DIY kits out there?
This is very cool but I have a couple of questions. First, my reason - I have a guitar amp that I put together from a Hafler tube guitar preamp (awesome) and a power amp that it feeds. The Hafler has an FX send and return, which I believe are line-level. I also have a MOD reverb tank, inexpensive and still very cool. I need to build an amp and return that can take take the FX send of the Hafler as input and then output to the Hafler FX Return. My questions:
1. Not all of your knobs are labeled. Is there a dry/wet mix control on it? I would need to pass the entire signal through it, so I would need to take the mix down to about 20% or so.
2. How is the kit powered? I'm not knowledgeable about Eurorack stuff. Could it be powered by a wall-wart style power supply? I've got tons of them, going all the way up to over 30V and 4 amp. If it can be powered by a wall wart, I'm sure I have one that will work.
3. I'm a little insane when it comes to digital latency, not only can I hear VERY low latency amounts, but they drive me crazy. If you pass a signal through this kit with the reverb mix turned all the way down, is there any measurable latency at all - i.e. is the mix path analog or digital? If the entire signal goes through any digital device, there will be some latency.
Thanks!!!
This is amazing!
if it doesnt have a spring, is it still a spring reverb? one of those great philosophical headscratchers, ey, nudge, nudge?
cool video and cool verb! did you ever try the blending option between tank and brick?
If a spring reverb falls and no one is around sort of a thought?!
You mean the Ship of Theseus
eh?
To me, if it sounds the same, it is the same.
It's missing one fabulous spring reverb effect. The one where you lift up one end of the amp about half inch and drop it! Awesome sound only available with actual springs...:-)
reverb.com/item/22976670-anasounds-element-premium-bundle-shipped-from-france something like this?
I could’ve sworn it connected to a spring tank
Was that one of the Milton/Janesville Wisconsin spring tanks?
Can you smack it and it will go "splashhhh"??
Loving this!
why does this sound like a darker version of "safety dance" to me ?
How about a reverb unit that's small enough to fit in a pedal?
So with the right patch bay could you use this in a traditional outboard gear studio setting? Or is it best just used as a synth module?
Love your video, very professional! Curious how I could power this on its own? Like a stand alone unit that O could use as a reverb send from a studio console. Would I just need a cheap-o wall-wart that’s 12v and connect the positive and negative leads to the right pins on the unit? Sorry for my newb question I’m just really looking at building one of these but I’ve never dealt with power supply stuff (I’ve only built API lunchbox 500 series audio units). Your response will be gold! Thanks and cheers
Loved the background music you had when you explained the tank. Is that your tune?
felipe bonacic check out stylo by gorillaz
Hey I was curious, how do you amplify your actual spring reverb? I purchased a spring tank for a guitar amplifier with the intent to use it as a reverb effect for recording. I quickly realized it needed a preamp at the end of the signal because of the low output, and I purchased a Velleman universal mono preamp kit, but tbh I don’t know enough about PCB work yet to completely understand what I’m doing. Any help would be appreciated!
spring reverb is used in gear taken on the road by bands and tossed around. I think you'd have to drop it from a plane to get the springs to pop off
haha i don;t think you should be too worried about the springs coming loose. dub soundsystem guys sometimes drop their reverb tanks for effect hahaha
Hi, I’d like your advice... (today) I’ll be purchasing a used Empress Reverb pedal for $450 did I make a good move or should I just pick up a soldering diy kit/station
Let me just say the Empress Reverb pedal is fantastic! I've seen and heard it several times around town and have been impressed every time. If I didn't already have an H9, I'd consider getting either that or the Strymon Big Sky. So that's never a bad idea :)
Regarding getting a solder station: I'd only recommend doing this IF you're really interested in getting into music hardware engineering/manufacturing/troubleshooting/repair/etc. I've had friends that bought DIY gear for the wrong reasons (mostly they were just trying to save a few bucks and didn't care about the whole "learning engineering stuff") and they've ended up making little or nothing. Their soldering gear just ended up sitting in a closet, which is a waste of money.
If you do have interest, then dive in! Soldering is fun and addictive, and you end up with a new toy when you're done. :)
Hope this helps.
buy a soldering iron and diy. building your own gear is super satisfying and cheap. a Weller soldering station and a roll of solder is $50.
It would take you years and years to develop a reverb as complex as the empress one from scratch
Yo dope video. I’m looking for a desk/fume extractor for solder work and I was wondering what your setup is
I have the Metcal BVX-201. A little pricey but it works great.
Great video man, what brick decay length did you go for?
Thanks Gareth! I got the Belton BTDR-2H which they describe as "medium length." I'm quite happy with this one but at some point in the future I'll get other versions just to hear what they can do for my music.
Sound track title?
Besides the excellent video, that Microbrute is pretty impressive!
Great video! Pity you didn't try to modulate the parameters on the Spring Reverb module.
Great video. Makes it 👀 fun to build and play. Was on my list and just went up it a couple of places :)
beef a co spring reverb module?
This is nice
Love that Grand Tour poster! (ePBT?)
Noice beets, noice voice, noice d...doicumentation.
Sorry you had so much negative comments on this one. But I agree the video is misleading about the building part. As for demonstration, it was more on "how a reverb can better your sound" than, what I would have expected, on how this reverb really sounds. How long is it reverberating, how big can it get? The way to test a reverb, from my knowledge, is by playing short percussive sounds to hear it's color, attack and decay time. I spent 15min waiting for it.
So all that to create a digital approximation of a spring reverb, which is already in every software out there? What did I miss? You have a nice tank in your hand... this feels like mounting a digital plate reverb module to your Ikea shelf after doing all the work to build it.
Awesome vid. Which tank size is that? thanks
Hi, what fume extractor system are you using?
Metcal BVX-201. It's great. I'll make a video about it at some point when I have time.
Cool...thanks...
Hey, I saw your Dreabox interview a while ago! Nice to see you here.
@@LeoMakes I appreciate anybody on YT who tries to teach somebody something...all the better if it's about synth gear. Great job on the vids you've done here. You're right that the DIY community is seriously cool and supportive. It's great to see folks doing creative things they're passionate about, and wanting to share that enthusiasm. Keep up the great work!
Is it the small / medium or large reverb brick please?
I want to buy one but I don't really know wich one to use, the one you've got is quite nice sounding :)
Do you need a modular to do that or I can plug in to a hardware synth ?
Hey Lee, the audio inputs and outputs of this module will work with any line-level sound source so if you can find a way of powering the module (i.e., getting +/- 12V to the right pins on the back of the module) then you should be able to use it alongside a hardware synth.
Not actually a spring but uses a Belton/Accutronics reverb module. It uses 3 pt2399 delay chips that replicate sound of actual spring. doesnt sound exactly like a spring but really close.
This is the first time I've heard someone saying "this is digital, so it's robust". As a software engineer, I find things to be quite opposite. I have, on the other hand, no issues with my actual valve-operated spring reverbs that I thrash around in my guitar amps.
The first time? Tubes died for a reason. We have solid state controllers that have been running non-stop for decades without failure. They get vibrated like crazy from structural resonance in the plant's structure and keep trucking. I'm a hardware/software guy and trust digital/solid state %110.
@@Mechotronic First of all, tubes never died in music equipment (not talking about audiophile nonsense, talking about equipment to make music). Controllers are a different breed and not a useful comparison, clearly you would not be able to make something that complex out of valves, but that's irrelevant. You're talking about industrial equipment I'm talking about consumer electronics. For something as simple as a reverb unit, a valve unit will be so much more reliable than a solid-state one it's not even funny (I don't consider natural wearing out of the valves as failure of the unit).
If you're a software guy and you trust software 110%, I don't know how to comment on that. Maybe you should watch the video from Ariane 5 disaster or something. Unless you do software for embedded devices - small, specialized, rarely changing - software is not really reliable.
@@Mechotronic Well, tubes died for another reasons and only for some applications. Silicon beat them in power consumption and scalability and in portable applications, definitely. But tubes are as alive as they can be, every fucking microwave has a tube in it for a reason. They are used in serious broadcast and military equipment exactly because they are more robust than silicon if we speak of switching hundreds of kilowatts in megahertz ranges. Tubes were powering first flight computers in fighter jets and freaking missile guidance systems! Believe me, silicon has nothing on tubes it terms of robustness.
Smart, a shop vac fume extractor!
Not a spring reverb without a spring!
Can’t you just put the accutrinics dsp chip in the Belgians place
I thought this was gonna be a real spring reverb tank, but it's just a Belton brick
lol. worried about a spring verb. man. guitar amps run the same units, and travel in vans and aeroplanes....
It's weird watching someone talk about a spring reverb like it's fragile and overly succeptable to electrical noise, after watching LMNC usually beating his spring tanks like they owe him money. Also, that tank you have for display is surrounded by heavy gauge steel sheet. If you have electrical noise issues, then you should probably be focusing on that problem, instead of letting it guide the rest of your system choices.
hey.. another nasa JPL poster haha. i have a few of them i like my grand tour poster
I love all things NASA (and especially JPL)
Really misleading video and real spring videos are awesome. Half the fun is manipulating the spring while playing through it and banging/slamming the case.
can i asked you why are you wearing gloves?
Hook a stringed instrument to it... can't tell crap like this
the springs dont pick up noise, the transducers do. also your music is too loud vs the voice
Thumbs up for the module itself and for the demonstration... Thumbs down for the rubber gloves and anti-static wristlet. For god's sake!
New to this - what's wrong with those? Is it just that the gloves render the wristlet useless, or you dislike both?
Cool vid but what’s the point? I’d rather spend my time creating music and practicing as opposed to building something I could easily purchase.
Its cheaper.
The labor of the manufacturers soldering the modules themselves adds to the price a lot
I learned nothing