Man! Just a little passenger and he would have climbed up that spot. Most rigs lift a tire on that spot. Remember also “as slow as possible, as fast as necessary “.
I saw that video (FJ Cruiser)...they also took the Volkswagen Toureg up this, it is "Hell's Gate" on the Hell's Revenge trail. Thus proving the point that it's 90% driver, and in this case the driver paid no attention to what they were doing, or what their spotter was saying.
The spotter was telling him go left, then at the very last second, he changes his mind and tries to tell him to go right (driver's right and left). It was too late. Spotter is partly blamed.
This old comment suddenly getting attention lol. From this angle it looked like the driver failed to follow the spotter’s direction, but I’m not sure how it looked from inside the jeep
The driver gunned it BEFORE turning right. This caused the right front wheel to rise up on that mound thus causing the roll over and thus ending the great Hells Gate experiment.
These FJ comments from years ago make my head hurt. I own a heavily modified FJ and the IDF doesn't compare to a similarly specs solid axle. Ever. Specially in rock crawling like Moab.
funny how all KOH buggys seem to be solid axles front and rear. funny how every magazine article talks about the stability of ifs for a daily driver but bemoans it for a serious TRAIL rig. IFS works on a desert racer for the reason you don't see it on most multi purpose vehichles like a jeep. ruts and jumps are not the same as rocks or ledges. they don't have to be big rocks to break an IFS set up either. no IFS axle can survive long term that way. i've seen countless toys and the like break.
@tomvoo75 toyota is japanese, most landcruisers were actually desighned and built in australia, thats why they are so good off road, they were meant for the outback
@Sirthomo111 hell's revenge isn't the end all be all. it's a fun trail but not hard. you do need to watch where you are at all times though. take a stock FJ through the rubicon or one of the johnson valley trails. a very skilled driver might get one through but there's a good chance it breaks a front axle. when you want to build a truck/suv that can go places like the rubicon, you don't worry about the ride comfort being more "civil". ditch the IFS toyota.
Momentum has it's advantages but slower would have allowed for more consideration. He drove that left front way high on the side hill. Sometimes better to just stop and assess instead of bulling through.
It is Jeeps heritage that I respect. If you're proud of your Nippon product good for you. Raise the flag of the rising sun on your antennae and support your country.
@blueduster74 ...I own a bunch of FJ's. (FJ40, FJ45, FJ60, FJ70, FJ80, FJ Cruiser, TLC Icon FJ44, and Baja Edition). All are capable of being a daily driver, all have 35"s or bigger tires, and all are modded out to the utmost. My FJ Cruiser has the same build as the FJ that won the Baja 500, but with some everyday comforts left in, and a few changes.It could drive to the North Pole, I've done 140mph offroad in the Mojave. I've climbed >60 degree inclines, 0-62 in 4.9s, 450hp.
@seventhSabra name a single japanese or german vehicle that can be daily driven and still go where a rubicon can. you can't, there isn't. the FJ isn't close. it's easier to make a better product when your government tilts the field in your favor. both countries subsidized their auto makers at one point or another. that's far different than loans and bailouts. it cost US automakers nearly 30% more than the jerks you like so much to make a car. i work in the industry, i could go on and on.
@beboystyle Don't agree. Rockcrawling is a game of inches. Sometimes driving 3in in one direction, followed by 3in in the other is necessary. If the driver isn't competent enough to make it on their own, they need to listen to a competent spotter who can. A good spotter should be able to guide a deaf person through rocks with the same effectiveness as they could a blind person.
So many first time spotter wannabes think they know the line. It bad enough the driver doesn’t know how to drive off a flat surface but then we have pretend expert spotters just because they’re in Moab-practice your spotting in a safe place before coming to Moab guys!
When he felt the front end coming u phe needed to lay of the gas and reevaluate how to get the front end down so he didn't go head over heels just like he did!!
@seventhSabra completely disagree. first, the wrangler has never been made it mexico. canada and the US. about 40% of dodge rams are made in mexico. toyota trucks are not in the same class as any of the big 3's full size trucks. the tundra becomes junk if you use them hard. seen it first hand. the tacoma is a nice truck. but it is a light duty truck.
@blueduster74 Now that was just STOCK vehicles, now for some mods. I see tons of daily drivers that are running 295/75/16 tires, with life, bull bars, suspension upgrades, supercharger, snorkel, you name it. My friend has one in Lake Tahoe, it's decked out, runs 33" Nitto Terra Grapplers, has about $10K in the engine (420hp/480 torque and get's 20mpg). He's done class 5 trails in that thing with me. Rubicon can't do class 5 with 295/75/16s and 4" lift. Then there's mine...
put up a video then, btw all the best 4x4s have solid axles, most KOH vehicles do, professional rock crawlers do. 99% of competitive 4x4s have solid axles front and rear because the articulation and strength cannot be matched with ifs. please post a video of your fj i would love to see it
sjpro1 yes if you are doing rock crawling and stuff solid is the way to go but going up hells gate i have seen many IFS vehicles go right up it without a tire slip ,, ive seen Toyotas , jeep libertys do it with ease...
@blueduster74 As far as what can a modded FJ do that a modded Rubicon cannot? Well, for one, the FJ along with an FJ120 Prado and a couple Hilux drove all the way to the North Pole. Jeep tries each year - fails. Toyota is still the only vehicle to take street legal, daily driver capable 4x4 and drive them from a large city in Canada to the North Pole. And if that isn't enough, Toyota's (specifically FJs which is just code for "Land Cruiser") operate in Antarctica, Jeeps cannot.
..and how much fun you have driving it! Christ I wish people would quit with vehicle vs vehicle shit. I love my TJ to death, adore my FJ, and the bronco.. well that's just there to look cool.
No the guy didn't follow what he told him. He signaled driver twice while he went passenger. If you watch this climb done by others you see they always go driver (our right) at the point the spotter said to and it works out fine. Spotter was fine jeep didn't listen and take normal line. Everyone wants to ride the V the whole time if not directed. The marks on our left his right are sidewall tire marks not full on driving tread marks. If someone does the opposite of what the spotter was doing its not bad spotter. Jeeps line was bad and went driver too late..
This trail shows absolutely NO discrimination toward Make and Model. If you miss your line here you WILL sustain damage. Bad spotters actually receive "kickbacks" from the body shop. ; ) Hee heee heee
This is why I don’t want to make a trail guide on Hell’s Revenge... I’ve definitely put at least a thousand views on this video since you posted it. Especially when it was like one of the only Jeep videos on TH-cam. Still hard to watch... I was wheeling a TJ then too.
That seventh sabra guy is full of crap my wife’s jeep has 240k miles on it engine never touched doesn’t burn or leak a drop of oil between oil changes ,, at 225k we put a rebuilt tranny in it ,, and thats all we have done to it besides brakes mufflers normal crap..so that clown saying they only last 100k miles pfft what a joke he is..
I'd LOVE to know where you're getting your FACTS from. Personally, I've owned two that have gone past that 110k mark, and as far as I know they are going strong. Not that you're going to believe me anyways, but I know of SEVERAL other Jeeps that have gone way past that 110k magic number. Its great that you love 'Yotas. More power to ya, I support that. If it weren't for competition, products wouldn't improve. But the facts that are presented in your post are discredited because of bias.
"No thanks spotter, i got this... ohhhh SH....."
Man! Just a little passenger and he would have climbed up that spot. Most rigs lift a tire on that spot. Remember also “as slow as possible, as fast as necessary “.
It was all driver error
@@Moneymike29 Yeah ... when your spotter tells you to cut right, don't keep edging left.
I saw that video (FJ Cruiser)...they also took the Volkswagen Toureg up this, it is "Hell's Gate" on the Hell's Revenge trail. Thus proving the point that it's 90% driver, and in this case the driver paid no attention to what they were doing, or what their spotter was saying.
OOPS!
Not the spotter's fault. He was telling him to go left, but he turned right and then he gunned it.
Great video by the way
The spotter was telling him go left, then at the very last second, he changes his mind and tries to tell him to go right (driver's right and left). It was too late. Spotter is partly blamed.
If the driver followed the spotter's directions better they probably wouldn't have crashed.
If the driver was able to even see the spotter.
That wasn’t the best spotting. Agreed.
This old comment suddenly getting attention lol. From this angle it looked like the driver failed to follow the spotter’s direction, but I’m not sure how it looked from inside the jeep
No the spotter was helping him place his tires correctly, the driver stopped paying attention and climbed too quickly
this video never gets old!
this comment never gets old!
@@Gothicfan bruuuh you profaned an Ancient Comment by replying to it
Time to call Matt’s Off-road Recovery in Hurricane.
Long before it was possible to call Matt's
You're right. I didn't realize this was 16 years ago.
The driver gunned it BEFORE turning right. This caused the right front wheel to rise up on that mound thus causing the roll over and thus ending the great Hells Gate experiment.
He french fried when he should’ve pizza’d
@4ever9er
The spotter blew it, He tried to recover at the end, but too late.
I wonder who was the first to ever go up that? :)
Rolled my TJ in Golar Wash...righted her, took off the hood, checked the fliuds, drove her home. Jeeps are awesome......
Don't cut us off there, We want to see the aftermath !
That’ll buff out!
We used to say that back when we wheeled in Willys
Damn, not where I thought a roll would happen on that trail.
That would be AWESOME to mountain bike on.
Especially nowadays with tubeless tires and low air pressure!!!
the man guiding in the front was guiding correctly. Driver did not listen
These FJ comments from years ago make my head hurt. I own a heavily modified FJ and the IDF doesn't compare to a similarly specs solid axle. Ever. Specially in rock crawling like Moab.
Hello? Matt's Off Road towing?
funny how all KOH buggys seem to be solid axles front and rear. funny how every magazine article talks about the stability of ifs for a daily driver but bemoans it for a serious TRAIL rig. IFS works on a desert racer for the reason you don't see it on most multi purpose vehichles like a jeep. ruts and jumps are not the same as rocks or ledges. they don't have to be big rocks to break an IFS set up either. no IFS axle can survive long term that way. i've seen countless toys and the like break.
Hahaha… keep going left… keep going left… 💥. Good job spotter.
This looks like the sport of geniuses.
@etube242 FJ's aren't lower to the ground, they're just designed better. Stock Jeeps and FJ both have 10" clearance, FJ's have larger tires.
@tomvoo75 toyota is japanese, most landcruisers were actually desighned and built in australia, thats why they are so good off road, they were meant for the outback
@Sirthomo111 hell's revenge isn't the end all be all. it's a fun trail but not hard. you do need to watch where you are at all times though. take a stock FJ through the rubicon or one of the johnson valley trails. a very skilled driver might get one through but there's a good chance it breaks a front axle. when you want to build a truck/suv that can go places like the rubicon, you don't worry about the ride comfort being more "civil". ditch the IFS toyota.
Momentum has it's advantages but slower would have allowed for more consideration. He drove that left front way high on the side hill. Sometimes better to just stop and assess instead of bulling through.
Old vid but to the poster, what roll cage is in this Jeep?
It is Jeeps heritage that I respect. If you're proud of your Nippon product good for you. Raise the flag of the rising sun on your antennae and support your country.
@foxmotors1 Actually most TLC's are built in Japan with the exception of a few models.
so sad..but shulda listened to the spotter
Awesome sounds.
Haya pengemudi yang prefional yang berani melakukanya,👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️
I didn't even see it was on a slope until it rolled backwards because the light is so bright! 😮
@blueduster74 ...I own a bunch of FJ's. (FJ40, FJ45, FJ60, FJ70, FJ80, FJ Cruiser, TLC Icon FJ44, and Baja Edition). All are capable of being a daily driver, all have 35"s or bigger tires, and all are modded out to the utmost. My FJ Cruiser has the same build as the FJ that won the Baja 500, but with some everyday comforts left in, and a few changes.It could drive to the North Pole, I've done 140mph offroad in the Mojave. I've climbed >60 degree inclines, 0-62 in 4.9s, 450hp.
That was so a pilot spotter error. He had that wrangler so far to the drivers side that was bound to happen. Too bad.
@seventhSabra name a single japanese or german vehicle that can be daily driven and still go where a rubicon can. you can't, there isn't. the FJ isn't close.
it's easier to make a better product when your government tilts the field in your favor. both countries subsidized their auto makers at one point or another. that's far different than loans and bailouts. it cost US automakers nearly 30% more than the jerks you like so much to make a car. i work in the industry, i could go on and on.
CLASSIC!
Badass! Hope everyone is good.
@beboystyle Don't agree. Rockcrawling is a game of inches. Sometimes driving 3in in one direction, followed by 3in in the other is necessary. If the driver isn't competent enough to make it on their own, they need to listen to a competent spotter who can. A good spotter should be able to guide a deaf person through rocks with the same effectiveness as they could a blind person.
The new FJs are OK, but they towed a few home after Toyota came here to test them. Blown pumpkins. All the Rubis and Powerwagons made it home.
Riiiight, since the 4.0L found in these Jeeps are notorious for running easily over 200k.
I must be the only person who isn't shocked by a jeep tumbling down Hells Revenge
Have you ever even been?
So many first time spotter wannabes think they know the line. It bad enough the driver doesn’t know how to drive off a flat surface but then we have pretend expert spotters just because they’re in Moab-practice your spotting in a safe place before coming to Moab guys!
When he felt the front end coming u phe needed to lay of the gas and reevaluate how to get the front end down so he didn't go head over heels just like he did!!
Nice, I love the FJ.
@seventhSabra completely disagree. first, the wrangler has never been made it mexico. canada and the US. about 40% of dodge rams are made in mexico. toyota trucks are not in the same class as any of the big 3's full size trucks. the tundra becomes junk if you use them hard. seen it first hand. the tacoma is a nice truck. but it is a light duty truck.
don't worry cap'n we'll buff out those scratches.
@capricrow Same as any other form of motorsport, its for kicks.
FAAARK i hate the sound a metal crushing and sliding like that, how did the driver end up???
@hondacrfrider27 The spotter made a slight mistake, but quickly corrected it.
The driver obviously wasn't watching.
fj cruiser is lower to the ground so its not as top heavy and the spotter is better this guys spotter wasn't paying attention
And that's why you have a roll cage, boys and girls.
@blueduster74 Now that was just STOCK vehicles, now for some mods. I see tons of daily drivers that are running 295/75/16 tires, with life, bull bars, suspension upgrades, supercharger, snorkel, you name it. My friend has one in Lake Tahoe, it's decked out, runs 33" Nitto Terra Grapplers, has about $10K in the engine (420hp/480 torque and get's 20mpg). He's done class 5 trails in that thing with me. Rubicon can't do class 5 with 295/75/16s and 4" lift. Then there's mine...
Hell finely got its revenge
16Y ago what a champ
That was bad- looked like lots of body damage!!!
Why stay on the gas when you’re coming up?
you don't (or at least you shouldn't)
did you guys know that a stock kia sorento did that no problem?
kinda makes me wonder if those 32 bolts are for sale
put up a video then, btw all the best 4x4s have solid axles, most KOH vehicles do, professional rock crawlers do. 99% of competitive 4x4s have solid axles front and rear because the articulation and strength cannot be matched with ifs. please post a video of your fj i would love to see it
sjpro1 yes if you are doing rock crawling and stuff solid is the way to go but going up hells gate i have seen many IFS vehicles go right up it without a tire slip ,, ive seen Toyotas , jeep libertys do it with ease...
spotters are there for a reason.
Part of the adventure!
That will buff out....
ALWAYS watch your spotter!
Also, ALWAYS ensure that you've fully chewed your tortilla chips.
well do you have proof that you climbed it?
because im sure everyone would love to see
Spotter told them to go passenger after it was too late unless they backed up
HEY GUYS! THIS GUY IS GOING TO BE A MULTI BILLIONAIRE! HE SAID SO.
Yep , spotter planly waved the driver to the right , and he did not turn. Hope nobody was injured.
That was cool.
Man !!! MOAB scrap yard gotta be low on JEEP parts lolllllllllllllllllllll
was he ok?
It was a her and yes she was okay, just shaken up. Jeep was flipped back over and driven 7+ hours back to Phoenix AZ
I'm not cleaning that up!!!
does that fj get good gas milage does it ia jeep man hey homie watch and do what your spotter says
Why do you even need a spotter for hells gate? Really?
rofl funniest shit i have ever seen, he decided it was to easy and wanted to climb the side wall.
@blueduster74 As far as what can a modded FJ do that a modded Rubicon cannot? Well, for one, the FJ along with an FJ120 Prado and a couple Hilux drove all the way to the North Pole. Jeep tries each year - fails. Toyota is still the only vehicle to take street legal, daily driver capable 4x4 and drive them from a large city in Canada to the North Pole. And if that isn't enough, Toyota's (specifically FJs which is just code for "Land Cruiser") operate in Antarctica, Jeeps cannot.
INSANE!
I watch this vid when I dont feel good and after I stop laughing I feel much better!!!!
..and how much fun you have driving it! Christ I wish people would quit with vehicle vs vehicle shit. I love my TJ to death, adore my FJ, and the bronco.. well that's just there to look cool.
bang crash slam boom pow crunch
That should buff right out.
can u do it alone?
That spotter was an idiot....go to your left...more to the left...a little more...NO WAIT TOO FAR TO THE LEFT! ::roll::
All he had to do was stop. Once it started climbing up with the driver side tire. But for whatever reason he just kept going till it flipped. 🤷♂️
i hope that guy is ok
oh, you can drive that home. there are still four wheels on that peice of american briliance
You think he wants to sell those half doors?😂
That spotter is garbage. He is responsible.
This spotter has to be the worst in the world? Just throwing it out there….
No the guy didn't follow what he told him. He signaled driver twice while he went passenger. If you watch this climb done by others you see they always go driver (our right) at the point the spotter said to and it works out fine. Spotter was fine jeep didn't listen and take normal line. Everyone wants to ride the V the whole time if not directed. The marks on our left his right are sidewall tire marks not full on driving tread marks. If someone does the opposite of what the spotter was doing its not bad spotter. Jeeps line was bad and went driver too late..
This trail shows absolutely NO discrimination toward Make and Model.
If you miss your line here you WILL sustain damage.
Bad spotters actually receive "kickbacks" from the body shop. ; ) Hee heee heee
That jeep just got worked
That shit happens faster than you think
This is why I don’t want to make a trail guide on Hell’s Revenge... I’ve definitely put at least a thousand views on this video since you posted it. Especially when it was like one of the only Jeep videos on TH-cam. Still hard to watch... I was wheeling a TJ then too.
Anyone who is surprised at an outcome like this while driving a vehicle on terrain like this is slow in the head.
That seventh sabra guy is full of crap my wife’s jeep has 240k miles on it engine never touched doesn’t burn or leak a drop of oil between oil changes ,, at 225k we put a rebuilt tranny in it ,, and thats all we have done to it besides brakes mufflers normal crap..so that clown saying they only last 100k miles pfft what a joke he is..
I just looked down for a second, to get my cd case...
I'd LOVE to know where you're getting your FACTS from. Personally, I've owned two that have gone past that 110k mark, and as far as I know they are going strong. Not that you're going to believe me anyways, but I know of SEVERAL other Jeeps that have gone way past that 110k magic number.
Its great that you love 'Yotas. More power to ya, I support that. If it weren't for competition, products wouldn't improve. But the facts that are presented in your post are discredited because of bias.
another bites the dust
It'll buff out
thats why we love americans... so they can do that shit for us