Ducati Monsters Old and New
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- Is it true that new bikes are better and faster than old bikes? If you go the older route, you might save money but are you going to be left behind at the traffic light drag strip? On the other hand, old bikes have a style that modern bikes sometimes struggle to match. To test this theory, we compare two Ducati Monsters from different eras and come away with a verdict. Which will win; money or style?
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OLD all the way, the real original monster😍
I bought a 2007 s4rs. Best decision I've made when it comes to buying old vs. new. The s4rs is an unbelievable machine. Besides its timeless sexy looks, it rides and performs well beyond my skills. It sounds and smells like a proper Ducati should. Great video. Love my s4rs.
The s4RS is the last Mohican. An incredible, raw, fast and wonderful looking monster. I had one 10 years ago, had it for 3 years, sold it and bought another one this week again. Once you ride this thing it changes everything
The old bike still looks better to me. The new bike looks like they ran out of ideas. The old bike is a classic. It never seems to age.
exactly my toughts
It's probably the low mirrors and drag bars. Gives it that menacing look as opposed to an insect
That’s why i have a “classic” 749 Dark...❤️❤️❤️
boy oh boy, you're more right now than ever! the latest monster is absolutely atrocious, imo.
Wait to see the 2022 model.
Love my 07’ S4Rs. Best looking and best performing Monster ever built.
Such a good show. You guys are like Top Gear for Bikers! Keep it up.
Just got my first ducati and it is an S4R. What a machine.
Hands down, the old one!!!
:)
Minor correction:
The Monster S4RS with 998 Testrastretta engine was available from 2006 and not 2004 as mentioned,
so this is a 2006, 2007 or 2008 bike.
Actually I just got myself a S4RS today ;-))
S4rs has the ducati 999 testsstretta engine, not 998
@@soyeltiolucasno, engine 999 wasnt at s4rs. Wasnt at any monster.
@@mriphoneja6856 you are wrong. Source: I got one.
@@soyeltiolucas can you show pls?
Motorcycles were a "yeah that's neat" thing to me until I saw a Monster 900 about a dozen years ago. It was the first bike I ever thought I actually NEEDED to have. Now, I have a 696 and a deep appreciation for every bike I see on the road. Thanks Ducati
haha, same story, fell in love with M900 in '98, now have s2r, last beauty without plastic, lcd and electronic annoyance safety help
S4rs will always be the big mama of all Monsters
S4rs imho is the best Monster ever made
I hate the look of modern headlights on naked bikes. Just doesn't fit imo; always looks like a squished face.
@Behemoth
squished face are for squids
A proper round LED headlamp fitted to the older monsters with the weird shaped light sorts the look right out. Night and day difference
I have a 2006 ducati monster S2R, the design is better than now in my opinion; I know the newest have a lot of electronic things, but without these , the driver is the "brain's motorcycle" and for me this is the real spirit of motorcycling.
now, in 2023, ducati s4rs costs more than m1100 and like m1200s. it's crazy. He was the last true ducati by Galuzzi. Now I get this bike in my garage and I will try to save this butiful motorcycle in perfect.
Amazing video. Thanks!
I Had a 94 M600, and now have a 2010 M696, and the build quality and reliability difference is astounishing.
Also the ride quality improved a lot form de oldest to this one.
I know this is 3 years later but I hope you see my comment.
How do you find the m696? Is it sportier? But also comfy?
I've just got a '93 M600 and plan on keeping it until 2024/2025 fall.
I've looked a bit on the m696 but also a m695.
That was a beautiful explanation of the old and new monster. This old soul liked to do much. Thumps Up bruh!
It's also after this video that I got my full black, high termignoni, 996 beauty, MonsterS4r
The *one* thing about the S4R and S4RS to me is the way the radiator looks like it was made for a different bike and just pulled out of the parts bin.
The new one can actually look *really* good with an aftermarket round headlight and a different exhaust. It's really unfortunate that that's all Ducati had to do to make the newer one look about as good as the old one.
Great one. Good job guys.
The new one looks neat but the old one is just... ehhh.. awesome looking
Old all the way. Something's missing in the new, mass produced models. They look Japanesish to me as well. Can't articulate it. Something rugged and tough about the Originals. They'll forever be the mashup, streetfighter master.. The Ducati Monster. Classic.
Very cool comparison vid.
Best monster of all time.
s4rs (999)
Yeees !! The best Monster of history.
Completely agree. No Idea how many bikes I've owned over the years including several Ducati. My 2007 S4RS (red one lost over the rail on the Blue Ridge because of blind decreasing radius turn that surprised me with gravel and black replacement) were my favorites. The Termi exhaust note was my all time favorite when it was winding out under throttle.
@@davidmcguire5978 i am very sorry you lost your bike, keep riding and stay strong. Greetings from Greece.
996 -you mean
that's definitely a monster s4rs(999) not a s4r(996).
The ducati monster s4rs with exhaust and chip have an 154hp not 113hp
There must be some kind of serious mistake here. The Monster S4RS Testastretta did not exist in 2004. That bike must be an S4R if it's a 2004 bike, with the 996 motor, not the 2007/2008 S4RS with the 998 motor.
Impressed. Hard to believe that an old Ducati performs better than the Monster 1200s. For sure, the old bike looks better.
Is that monopoli money? What kind of value are they pricing the bikes?
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The S4R came with Marchesini wheels, did you guys buy better ones for it or are they the stocks
Actually the later 998(2002) and the 999 are very reliable. 97-early 2002 had problems with the flaky rocker arms but later did not had it anymore. Sure sometimes you could get a lemon but the quality over all of the 998/999 and later is quite good. But lets face it even later Ducatis has some problems, 1098 had for example problems with main bearings if I remember correctly and 1199 had problems with cylinder heads cracking.. But If you want a Ducati then you should not be discourage by an early 916(94-96) 998 and 999 are good too even though some 998 can have problems with the Flaky rocker arms too. Sure they seems more troublesome then Japanese bikes but they do not have Fatal flaws like the 4 valve machines produced (usually 916-996) from 97 to early 2002.
Pillokun agreed on 999. Had a 999s for 4 years with over 50000 in odo. It was very reliable, just maintanence nothing else. Beautiful bike.
Great video.....great SR4 !
That's why I bought a mint 2016 Monster 1200R this year, for just 60% of new cost.
With just 4K miles on it, it was an easy decision.
Left me plenty of cash to customize it with all the touches I desired.
Great video
Great stuff!
I have a 99 CBR 600. I could never stand to replace it with another sport bike, because it was so good and I'd already had it jetted and changed the springs and valves for my weight. New bikes are nice but dialed in carbs are a pleasure, and these days they try to make frames and wheels out of steel for a lot of the bikes.
Older Monsters were all about RAW HP... Newer Monsters are about cruising ala Triumph Speed Triple (Which BTW used to be a HOT Street-fighter)...
But The Monster 1200 "R" does possess some serious muscle that will likely put this S4R to shame...
Both are great machines though... Yes, they're both Monsters, but are designed for different type of riding... No surprise that an over a decade old Monster could easily beat the new 1200...
im offered a good deal on a '02 monster, i would pull the trigger. should i scrounge together a few more quid to get a newer one?
Best bike ever . it spoils you for ever . I had the 02 s4 done up dark carbon bits . I want another one . !!!
Picking a 08' 695 monster up tomorrow, 27k on the clock, R40,000 😅 I'm a happy man
Congrats! I've been looking at that one sometimes. Maybe for a upgrade after my old Monster 600
I had an 1199 Panigale but my favorite so far in my Ducati S4RS... mine is the 2007 which has more power than the one you tested. I converted it into a cafe racer and looks/feels amazing. I don't miss the Panigale's speed and it is a lot more comfortable.
The old Monster still has "dry plate clutch"? I read Ducati went "wet" in recent years - smoother, more slip, more loss.
what about a 2007 s4rs?
I'm bias ,ill take the old anytime
I have monster 1100 2009. Model exactly that guy suggested 😀. So I should be fine with reliability.
I know it’s a bit late for this comment. But have you turned the abs and traction off on the 1200? I rode the s2r and I now own a 2016 1200s. The new monster is a whole new animal.
the truth is: more horsepower is not always better
I have an S4 from 2001. Will go for a 1200S 2017. Reason: ABS. And my old S4 is very loose in the dampers and springs.
the model of the black one Ducati???
loved it and so true!
The S4Rs was made in 2097 and 2008 only. That was not a 2004 bike, so same time as the 1098 was made.
They were made from 2006-2008 ending with the tricolore version. Grtz
what type of bike is this monster??
is it tracker or what??
I have both bikes. 2007 S4RS Red Stripe and 2015 1200S White Stripe. You nailed it on the head when you stated that the 1200S is more "finished" ; however, I do enjoy the sound of the dry clutch sound over the liquid cooled.
On the flip side. The S4RS is constantly in the shop for repair. So the statement of saving money really isn't true.
I love both these bikes. From my own experience I will write that I prefer the 1200S as its easier to ride, electronics (including riding mode) are fantastic, and I have more confidence in its capabilities.
They're both liquid cooled aren't they? Learn how to fix things and save yourself your hard earned cash.
some good logic. old bikes can be just as fun. cheers.
I like the newer color of the monster 821. The grey color goes great with the design of the bike in my opinion. I would get a dark edition, but the lack of red accents makes the bike look bland to me. A bit of red on the frame, maybe the lettering on the tank, and I'd buy the dark edition in a heart beat. But the grey will do if they don't come out with what I'm looking for.
Edit: search Ducati monster 821 carbon fiber on TH-cam. The video at the top belongs to a guy who modded his bike, and that's close to what I'm thinking of. Just lacking the red frame. I mean, come on. The red frame is iconic to the monster. You can't leave that out.
nah, My 996 kicks ass and it is stunning to look at. People gather around it and take pictures of it when I park it. My V4s is tame and it is more comfortable than my 996. But 996 is a special bike
Classic bikes never gets old
The S4S was a scary beast - all I can manage is a 695/I know my limits,
True that jeff
Ducati S4rs have 130hp. stock.
A have a 2004 M1000sie with full arrow exhaust and tune. I rode the 1200s and mine back to back. I wasn't impressed, I expected the 1200s to feel faster, that wasn't the case.
The new looks like made by Fisher Price...still..and i said that 2007 when it came out first..i wonder if one could use Scrambler parts to bring it back to a proper Monster design
i like to ask if there is ducati 400 cc with the monster design?
Look up the 695
4:16 He nails it with his visor open and no sunglasses. He better be careful or else a huge bug will blind him.
The original monster the best !! Y have a 2006 620 dark and y love it . Miguel Galluzzi the designer of the monster made the best desing of all !! Y woul love to have a Sr 4 one day !!
Almost went with a clean 4k mile 2004 996 S4R Old bike, but loud dry clutch, way more intense desmo valve service repair schedule was a turn off.
I have a 2007 S4RS here in the US and, according to the original manual, the engine is a 998. Great comparison and still loving my Ducati S4RS Monster! Long live the Mostro!!!
a 2004 model is old ?
damn....
It's gotta be a 2007/8 if it's an S4RS
@@eviertelify no. Its s4rs 998
@@isupuikarishye7271 sorry, just a typo. Then it's probably a 2007, not 2004.
Ain't that cute, but it's wrong!!! The S4RS was made between 2006-2008. Also the specs at the end are wrong, they are regarding the 2004 996cc desmoquattro, the S4RS specs are way different. Oh, and I'm a proud owner of a S4RS, what can I tell you... it's a dream bike, love it!!!
I have an S4Rs too. best Monster they ever made. its a beast with the classic design...
hows the reliability? im considering buying
No problems so far, but I'm doing all the servicing myself. I had a lot of older Ducatis, they had their well known problems, regulators, peeling cams and rockers, galley plugs, and what not. From 2005 the fabrication is different, the suppliers, everything. S4RS is a great bike to have and a great investment.
44teeth made a video about which is faster, 2005 suzuki GSXR 1000 with 165HP or a ducati panigale V4 with 234 HP, and the suzuki won always. So in that category it doesnt matter how old they are. The only thing that really changes is the safety with all kinds of electronic help, so the 18 year old bobby with his new racebike bought by his parents doesnt have to worry all that much.
I tried the new 1200 and pane. No thaks . short stroke all the way. !! 👆for the books !
So the new monster has + 32hp, + 29nm and is also 10 kg lighter but the old one is faster? I know things in real life and on paper can be different, but with this much difference it is hard to believe.
That is precisely what I was thinking! Something does not add up. It just seems to me that it was not much of a test. They are trying to hang the whole story on some drag racing run? How many runs did they do? Who were the drivers? Did they switch at all? Nothing but questions remain.
exactly. their ''test'' doesn't prove anything.
Ege Taşçıoğlu. The lower-spec model was souped up
Yeah 200 hundred more ccs and it gets blown away some how.?
Datas shown in this video are wrong, s4rs had infact 130hp, 113hp its the older s4r 996cc
I'd prefer to get the new one and put a full system on it. This 1198 engine is capable of a LOT more than the 999 engine.
Unfortunately what is not mentioned in the video is that the old Ducati are a pain to drive in traffic,they dont like going slow and the service internals sucks and while Desmo services are too expensive whatever money you think you saved by going old soon you will spend that money anyway on high maintenence.
The new generation of Monsters are more user friendly when driving with low rpm and they have doubled the service internals.
Still the older versions has more raw power and so its basically what you are after.Lots of people dont like the new Ducatis they find them tame and kinda "japanised" if thats a word.
I can confirm some Monster aren't user friendly in traffic. I hate riding mine in town. Dry clutch + long gear ratio = no fun at all at low speed.
I should change my gear ratio tbh.
Yep. To whoever is thinking about S4R for commuting: Just no... don't. You will hate yourself and the bike. However on open roads is as fun as you want it to be, or as exciting as you dare. And by God blue S4R is one of the beautiful bikes ever made, and with years it only gets nicer somehow. Not this one though... the black/red colour scheme and belly pan are too ostentatious.
Well, wait a minute, I see your point but the Monster does have an upright seating position to see well over traffic, wide motocross style handle bars for leverage at low speed, light weight and very good low end torque. Maybe a larger sprocket as MrKinir mentions but there are far worse bikes in traffic.
You're right, it has wide handlebars, it's very light and nimble.
If you change the sprocket, it should become quite agile in traffic.
I'm not sure if this is true, but: I've been told they fit those super long gear ratios in factory to comply with the anti pollution norms.
It helps with the tests. (Allegedly)
wheelsdeal It depends which monster you compare. I have a 2004 M1000sie, which is air cooled and 2 valve. It is very cheap to maintain and I've never had any issues. The new ones are all liquid cooled and 4 valved, which is more expensive to maintain but they do have longer service intervals.
I modded my '05 ZX6R, dyno tuned it (118bhp wheel) and put its wet weight down to 186kg. Best decision ever. The only thing I miss on the older bikes is the Abs.
th-cam.com/video/nACuOn6Zl90/w-d-xo.html
old one looks nicer...
What currency is referring to? It sounds like Hobbit Dollars.
I had an 2007 S2R1000 that was somewhat kitted. Easier to work on and plenty fast for a naked bike and probably a better wheelie machine.
Sold it in perfect shape with less than 10K miles for $4K US, btw.
You weren't talking bollox because you'd still spend 20 -30 thou on extras on a new 1200.. the old monster looks better, sounds better and is quicker but most important it has the Hey Babe "How you doin" factor when you pop out to the garage and we really like that..
Definitely old monsters
only old
Vijay Taur
I ride a 2000 Monster 748
that is eight and a half minutes of my life that I can't have back. as soon as I heard that those Motors don't last long in the S4R, that pretty much did it for me.
and is it just me, or does anyone else believe that the older Ducati can't possibly be quicker or faster?. I mean maybe stoplight to stoplight?, but no way in the quarter mile.
I saved 35 years to buy a Ducati......spent a whopping $1000 for a Monster.
120 grand ? In what currency?
Rand they are in South Africa
Old no doubt!!!
shit that was a cool comparison. i welcome all the old vs new you can throw at me
This seems to be a common theme in biking, no point buying new as older bikes are just as good to ride. No wonder sales of new bikes are suffering.
A 10 years old Ducati with magnesium wheels on it. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
Well... why not? My Monster 1100s is 7+ years old, and it came with magnesium wheels from the factory.
The new bike looks fantastic. And this isn't really a fair comparison. Throw thousands at any bike and I'll get it to out perform something that's showroom stock...
I can put a turbo on my mustang and out run a Shelby. But my car is still, not a Shelby or nearly as good all around
Best monster is old monster..
But the new one will last as long as the owner.
I'm afraid my Monster will last longer than me... I'm not a spring lamb.
Nah bro, S4R aint gonna lose value.
Lmao, first 7 minutes ignored. But still an awesome vid nonetheless.
La mia vecchietta(s4 2001),fa sempre la sua porca figura!
I like the old ones design..but that golden forks doesn't look good with it ..may have to just change colour of that forks and wallah....
so the older is faster? ahahhahahahah good :D then no point to buy the new.ducati....
Why spend 200k on a new ducati?
easy DRP!
granpa lot of fuel
this is both good and not so good video, because most people buy ducati not for performance but for the image it carries, if someone truly wants a high performing naked bike, get the superduke 1290 or tuono 1100, ducati has never caught up with in the naked department, most ducati fanboys will continue to buy new production bikes because they can afford to.
the good part about this video is the comparison between new and old bike performance, bad part is using ducati as the subject
The difference is when you come to sell them. The new bike will drop a lot more value that the older bike. The reason the old monster is still that price is because people still want them and even more so now ducati are selling more bikes than ever.
+Gary Lowe Service interval on the new Monster is every 9000 miles! That's a lot of miles, by that, I assuming that bike's price shouldn't drop that much.
jitterball Yes i agree. When you think Ducati's from 10 years about had service intervals of 600K, 6,000K, 12,000K, 18,000K
So basically ever 6,000 miles.