If you're wondering about why there is no facecam... I drive 12 hours to go on vacation today, 30 minutes after I parked the Beal trade dropped. I brought a mic with me and made this happen... if you can't tell already I have some THOUGHTS about this trade... Normal schedule this week including a post draft recap Thursday night with this style... enjoy the week!
“I’m shocked no other team around the league was willing to give up more.” It was never about who could give up more. He had a No Trade Clause. He decides where to go. That was the biggest factor. Shams mentioned that.
@@peewee0224the no trade clause also means Beal can build the trade. If he felt like the wizards were gonna give up too much, he could veto the trade. Maybe you could’ve held out for more, but the reality of the situation is you have a top 20-30ish player getting paid like he’s MVP candidate that you can’t trade unless he lets you on the books till 2027. It’s arguably the worst contract in the league. In trading him, you can begin the tank and showcase other guys without no trade clauses where you actually have leverage with. This is horrifically bad return, like the type of return you’d expect for a guy like nurkic, but that no trade clause on top of having the 2nd highest contract in the league was gonna make it very tough to get anything worthwhile.
@@peewee0224 the closest team was Miami & they were kinda stalling 'til draft time trying to wait to see what Dame/Blazers were gonna do, since they preferred him over Beal. D.C. couldn't really wait on them, so I shoot them some bail for that.
@@peewee0224 new front office wanted to kickstart the rebuild into the draft. Add in KP's option deadline in a few days(now likely they discuss him opting in so they can move him) and Kuzma becoming a FA(so they don't have to give him long-term money), they can start the rebuild now while Beal was open to moving. Their pick next year is top 12 protected to the Knicks, so they couldn't afford to bring them back and be a mid-ass team like they've been. Plus, what if Miami got the Dame deal? They'd have been waiting for nothing.
Beal has a no-trade clause in his contract. Part of which means he has full say in where he is traded to. Therefore I don't think other teams with better offers ever stood a chance
Shows Beal never really cared about Washington dude. To leave the team without any 1st round picks so they can rebuild. Atleast James Harden got tons of 1st picks for Rockets when he left even with lots of dramas. Beal selfish AF, loyalty my ass, he just used Wizards for super max.
Wizards quickly became the worst franchise in basketball post trade But their alternative was to continue to be the most irrelevant organization in basketball with no leverage, no ability to add talent through free agency and always in a place in the draft to draft another ok role player (or busts) instead of another star.
About time but the wrong time, they should've done this last summer to be in the Wembenyama or Scoot sweepstakes. With as little as they got back in the deal they better hope they can draft a superstar because no real game changers are gonna sign there. 5-10 more years of mediocrity is still likely.
@@Nbatryme It’s because the old front office got fired for doing that dogshit contract. New front office has no other option than getting rid of it since the wizards aren’t exactly in contending position.
You're complaining about the new front office that is executing a rebuild that majority of the fan base was asking for? His contract from previous management made it so we had little to no trade market. They did the best they could in a shit situation.
@@Matti861 I know it’s new guys but I just kind of collectively rope them all in. Also unless they flip cp3 to another team this was such a bad trade. Landry shamet and some second round picks cmon now. It’s not a rebuild it’s just a slow death. Tired of picking up aging stars that’ll lead us to a play in spot instead of truly tanking. I do hope the new GM does better though
People are really killing the new Wiz GM and are ignoring the no-trade clause aspect, Wiz had basically no control over this situation from the moment they handed out the contract
Bradley has all the power with his No Trade Clause. He probably said he would only go to Phoenix. If that's the case, then Wizards front office had no choice but to get what they did
@@jackmacfakie1387and after this I doubt any team will want to give another player a no trade clause ever again. This was a pitiful return and it was entirely because they had no leverage because of the no trade clause.
As a Hornets fan it makes me feel a little better about our situation at least we're not the only team that has a front office that can't run a team lol
I actually think this trade could be better for the Wizards overall. If they get a 3rd team into the trade for CP3, as has been reported being looked at, the Wizards will likely get to offload a ton of money off their roster & start to rebuild. Beal isn't a max player & they'd be really bad for a while if they had to keep him. Now, they have a chance as a front office to clean house & start anew with a healthy amount of money to get a better star. And, the new CBA may make that easier to do as teams will struggle a bit more to keep their max players. I don't think the Suns, as they stand with this trade, will be that great. This team will play horrendous defense, they'll have no true playmaker, and they'll struggle to sign good backups because of their heavy contracts on & the new CBA. Somehow, I foresee their bench being worse next season than the latter part of this past season for the Suns, which is pretty crazy. And, they aren't going to get a good trade for Aytom if they try to get rid of him because teams know they are desperate on that front. I think they'll just be a slightly worse version of the Kings. High-powered offense, bad defense. Edit: just to add to my point on the Suns building a roster. Auton, Booker, Durant, & Beal alone put them over the luxury tax. That's without a 5th starter signed right now. So, the Sun may actually have a 5-man lineup woth a bunch of duds on the bench.
They’re gonna need a healthy amount of money to get a better star, it seems unlikely that anyone will want to sign with them because they think they can win.
You even said it, Bradley Beal had a iron clad no trade clause so maybe some other teams were interested but it was really up to him and he make tons of money.
I think this is far worse for the Suns. At least the Wizards can start a much needed rebuild where as the Suns are now stuck with 4 massive contracts with one being no trade.
Wizards were 3 years late on a rebuild and they could have gotten their assets better by then. Beal would have actually net them back bigger assets than he did now with a NTC. Suns don't care because they were on this road even with CP3. Just swap him out for Beal for the next 3-4 years.
Believe i rather have the younger one you can take the old one. 3 headed superstars & take a chance on it look i dnt even agree on trade of kd or beal but since they did go all in bt to me is more about trading ayton & build a decent bench & if they do then they have a good shot at making a run unlike the wz jst take Ls decade after decade.
I was just chatting with a friend about Beal before I knew about the trade. I said he would get traded for nothing because of the no-trade clause. I didn't know about his connections to Phoenix, or that it might have been arranged so Phoenix gave up nothing.
Yeah, he acts like Beal is Durant level or something and should've gotten more, but he disregards the contract nearly entirely. It's a cap dump, and can save even more cap by cutting CP3. I don't really agree with him on hating it for the Wiz.
@@armthesharks6904fr. He doesn’t seem to realize that Beal has a no trade clause and picked which team he would go to and what they would give up in return. It’s not like they had the luxury of shopping him around and taking the best offer. The did the best they could have given the circumstance imo
@@TheyCallMeLegendzzz I wouldn't say KD, Booker, and Beal fit well with each other. They all have redundant skill sets which don't compliment each other. KD is just a older more injury prone Booker, and Beal is basically a "not as good" version of Devin Booker
You forgot the whole reason that Beal’s value was basically zero. He is the only nba player with a no trade clause. So even if a team like the thunder wanted to give up major assets; if Beal didn’t want to go there he would veto the trade.
The wizards messed up giving beal a no trade clause and so much money. I actually getting rid of him right now is very smart. There is no way they could get assets if they kept him on the roster. Atleast they can start a proper rebuild and clear cap space
@@Esco_Season242 for 1 trade is already a net negative for depth, now add the picks on top of that and you're deeper in the hole. They have no real way to add to their team now unless they find a team even stupider than themselves who is willing to take Ayton.
He's a Nets fan so what do you expect? Brunson def showed his value in this years playoffs where he could get buckets even against the Heat. And nobody from the dinky Cavs could stop him either.
I think there are more of teams that were willing to give more but he has a no trade clause. So he could determine where to go, and the wizards think the suns offer is better then the heat..
NBA Front Office mentioned the Heat prioritizes Lillard. It is a bad trade but the Wizards didn't want salary back outside the upcoming season. Idr if Shamet's contract has a team option because i thought he had a 4 year deal and like Bridges it ends in '25.
I think the wizards were smart. They purposely rushed the whole process before Damian Lillard could request a trade. Considering Beal has that ridiculous contract, it would have been a problem in trying to get rid of Beal.
@@peewee0224 Beal has a no trade clause. IF the team beal is going to lets say the suns and the suns are giving too much beal wouldtn want to damage his future team
The Wizards looks like the Blake Griffin Saga Pistons. But if we’ve learned anything from the Pistons, it’s that even when things look bleak, good decisions made at the helm will open up a bright future. Whether Porzingis and Kuzma come back or not (they’ll def be traded if they do) the Wizards aren’t Screwed. They’re just going to have to take things slowly. They at least have some young guys on the roster, which is more than Detroit had.
Tommy sheppard needs to be reprimanded for what he did to the franchise giving Beal the contract he gave knowing he didn't have that much of a market in free agency that year
I mean our last gm gave him a no trade clause and signed him to crazy super max so it was always gonna be hard to move him. Getting anything is a miracle fr. We cleared $150 for the next 3 years so we’ll be Ight.
It’s a new regime. It’s a complete rebuild and getting rid of Beals contract was the main goal. I’m a wizards fan and I’m happy about it. The fact that we were able to off load his massive contract, with a no trade clause, is a godsend.
I’ve been a wiz fan since gill, Caron, and Jamison. The wiz last exciting year was 2017 vs Boston. Since wall hit that game winner it’s been down hill. Beal wasn’t the player we needed. He is a solid number #2 and a excellent 3rd option. But he isn’t a first option. In all honesty I am glad the current front office got it done. We’ve been needing a rebuild since the John Wall injury. Obviously I wish they could’ve gotten more but sadly that is the predicament the current front office was faced with. It’s easy to say they messed this up but they did the best they could. It would’ve been way worse keeping him and repeating the endless cycle. Paul will most likely be bought out of his partially guaranteed contract or traded. hopefully they allow kuz to walk because over paying for him to stay would quite literally make this whole trade for nothing. Also with the rule changes it helps out cap space. The first step is always the hardest but now that it is over the wiz are in a much better position to rebuild this team without Beal.
Exactly my thoughts when John Wall tore his Achilles it ended that era of wizards basketball the team has painfully been calling for a rebuild finally it’s been done Hopefully the team can rebuild properly
The Wizards think the NBA CBA is going to get really constraining fast and they want to make cap space to later be a dump destination. In terms of the destination for Beal, he controlled it with that no trade
Its going to be constraining the way they constructed their roster either way. They overpaid for an aging 3rd option whose injury prone AND gave him an NTC. They also had a 7 footer 3-ball chucker whose all empty stats and they managed to move him out for beans. And no way they are paying the king of empty stats in Kuzma a new contract. Meanwhile some of the teams who went on the rebuild earlier are going to do fine because they been scouring to draft for value besides the obvious best pick and have them at controlled costs.
It's more of a disaster for Phoenix, in my opinion. At least Washington can tank. I don't know what the hell Phoenix is doing. Bradley Beal addresses none of their problems and completely takes away any cap flexibility they had to address them. He's basically just a worse version of Booker.
Beal has a no-trade clause in his contract, so it doesn’t matter if another team offered more, he could veto a trade to any team if he didn’t want to go there.
Wizards should've played hard-ball with him and if he vetoed trades that made sense they should've said ok good luck on your 6th man of the year award.
@@kevinkrusen483 The new front office doesn’t want him though, they would rather be rid of his contract so they can rebuild than risk having him for another year. With his no trade clause, he has all the leverage in this scenario and everybody knew it.
@@kevinkrusen483 his contract will single-handedly crutch any team he’s on, the new GM didn’t want him just because of that. Even if they got scraps it’s not like he was taking them anywhere and now they have financial freedom going forward
Everyone is somehow forgetting that Beal has a no trade clause, the heat offered a much better offer (Kyle Lowry, Duncan Robinson, and multiple first rounders), but Beal declined. Yes this is still a bad trade, but it’s not entirely the front office’s fault
Have to disagree with you. This is what wizards fans expected. Can't blame current management. They did the best they could do. This front office can draft well
@@bwanimations7130 Troy Weaver is from Presti's tree and so far he's been meh. A huge part of what made Presti unique is that the OKC is super patient to let him do his thing despite lucking out and drafting his core in the early offset years with KD, Russ and Harden in a 3 year span. Then adding supplementary talent on the cheap within those subsequent years. Wizards fans barking up the wrong tree if the FO process sucks because they should be giving a finger to the owner Ted Leonsis who keeps hiring bums.
Beal is definitely an upgrade, just not the type I think they needed. If the Suns don’t win the next Chip, then I don’t think that following offseason will be pretty- Durant and Beal have no loyalty to the Suns, Durant is a ring chaser (might request out) and Beal can do what to the Suns he pleases due to his no-trade clause and cap hit is crazy along with the new CBA.
After the next season it will be next to impossible to move players because of the new agreement. Basically, you would have to exchange player for just one player with the exact same contracts. So, you just have to ride it out until the contract expires. That was put in place for EXACTLY this kind of situations, making superteams, dumping big contracts etc. It'll be very bad couple of seasons for Suns fans and Booker, but f. Booker, he's a b.
Lmaoooo they won’t even make it pass the 1st round. Their defense got worse, no playmaking and no chemistry lol whoever taught of this trade should never watch basketball again
That cap hit is gonna be insane either way. After this upcoming year, for the 2024-2025 season, as of now the suns will have 4 players on the roster with a total salary of 185 million dollars already on the books. For context, the soft salary cap is 143 million.
Lmao it’s kinda funny how teams keep trading for KD, giving up a ton of picks, it doesn’t work out, then they trade him for a ton of picks. Like, what’s the point 😂
Porzingis took the player option too so Wizards are going for the full rebuild. I'm thinking its a smart move in the long run with all those picks. Its better to go full rebuild than half-ass it with aged players like Westbrook.
When will these franchises learn that stacking up all stars more often than not will result in failure. Denver and Miami showed us this year the proper way of building a team.
Butts in seats. Most of these owners just want to sell more seats and lounges and jerseys they don't care about winning anymore. Which is extremely stupid since the warriors owner Joe Jacob bought the team for 500 million and as of last year the team was valued at 8 billion dollars higher than the Knicks and lakers. But to be 100% fair its near impossible to build what lacob did so owners rather take the easy route and build a flashy roster to make quick cash
To be fair I'm more excited with Ishbia playing power moves than rancid ass Robert Sarver cheaping out to build a Suns team. I'm not a fan of Ishbia's approach but he wants to flex his money for the coming CBA so more power to him. Hell sometimes these bad franchises *NEED* new owners with money and pull to kickstart the org to a more exciting direction.
Wizards did the right thing they need to clear house for a total rebuild. Beal was never gonna contend after signing that big contract. Wizards will win the east within 3 years after they get a hugh draft pick and free agents like the Boston guard who got exposed in the playoffs soon.
I think Beal forced his way to the Suns with his no-trade clause and probably in someway made the Wizard take back less asset. But the analysis is kinda spot on, adding a worse version of Booker doesn’t double your offensive capabilities, some one in this Big 3 will need to take a big step back, and that’s probably either Beal or KD. They are going to move Ayton and turn his money into a few role players and a rim protector, until we see the new full team it’s hard to judge this trade.
I unfortunately continue to be a Washington sufferfan... This trade hurt any excitement I had for the team which was small to begin with. Guess we are building around superstar Avdija -_-
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 don't disagree with either of you. Doesn't make it hurt less... Beal had to go, no doubt, but thought we could at least get one 1st (late 1st but a first none the less). This just rubs salt in the wound that this was not done earlier
bro the fact that the wizards even got a fool to take on beal humongous contract's already a win. now with phoenix tho, imagine paying 50 mil for the next 3 years to a 3rd option 💀
The fact that even some of the greatest players of all time like Curry, Lebron and Giannis in his prime didn’t get no trade clauses should have tipped someone in DC that it was a bad idea
LOL even Dirk who was loyal to the Mavs his entire career never had an NTC. Its like the guys who know they aren't elite always demand the money and the contract conditions that the elite can only dream to get. Been the NBA contract story since the league got ever more popular.
Supposedly Milwaukee was willing to trade, Middleton,Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder and Pat and a 1st round pick swap for Beal and Delon Wright. Beal most likely wanted to play with one of those guys to reject. But Bucks are crazy to even give up that much for Beal.
Bad trade. Beal n Booker play same position. No role players for Phoenix. James Jones built this team n he's destroying it. They'll be handicap by the salary for years to come
They could also not trade him. If he wants the money so much, and is so much a snake as to tank his trade value, then you can tell him "Alright, suit up for next season and try to put butts in our seats". The next season is already forfeit now and their profitability will be hit while losing someone who actually did well with DC fans (until this move of course).
@@dangda-ww7de They can't renegotiate like that, he has to be a Sun first for them to renegotiate and then he could just say "No" and you have to abide by the terms. Reality will always have the no-trade clause in play.
Beal had a full NTC. He could literally deny anything. The fact the new Washington FO got out from his terrible contract is a win. Yes, you want picks. Beal wasn’t going to do them any favors and the feeling is he said “PHO or bust.” Getting out of that contract is a win for Washington.
@@Mdksupreme1the previous GM gave him the contract despite every analyst and NBA exec saying it was a terrible deal. Washington fired the entire FO last month so this is one of the first moves by the new regime. In the long run it’ll save them a ton of money and cap space. The fact they found a suitor to take Beal should be considered a win for them. Phoenix is in win-now mode, but if they don’t get a chip, how happy will they be paying Beal $58 million in 26/27…
I fully agree. How are they going to divide the ball to three ball dominant players. Someone will be unhappy. No depth whatsoever so if someone gets injured it'll be basically Beal running around like in DC. They looked for the easiest solution on paper but in the playoffs you need depth and many solid players stepping up.
lol 3 dudes jacking up mid range shots, the worst most inefficient shot in basketball analytics. i bet the young Rockets will be better than Suns next year
I think the analysis is off. Because of the second apron penalties, Beal’s contract is devalued because no team wants to risk their assets for a contract that takes 35% of the cap. Financially this move doesn’t make sense, especially for a player to isn’t a top 15 to 20 player; at best, he is in the top 25. Although the Wizard’s options are limited, Beal is undesirable in this climate.
At this point we might aswell give a try to get into the Phoenix Suns bench unit for 100k - 200k. I guess the Suns are going to trade Ayton for 2 deffensive players 15-18M each because kd, booker and beal are great in the offense but they dont really play much deffense. Another problem is who is going to get the ball ? Kd, Booker and Beal, none of them are a great passer, playmaker or even a offball players. All 3 of them need to get the ball as much as possible and Suns don't have any more picks for the future. This 3 players injury history the las couple of years has been pretty bad. This really seems more like the Suns said "we are going to outscore everybody" type thing. Nontheless, this off season is going to be pretty fun
I don't know if I see this as a disaster. I think they probably knew because of Beal's contract they wouldn't get like 3 lottery picks, 2 young players and players to match contract value. It just wasn't going to happen. Not from any team in the league right now. But, I do wonder how this works from the Suns side of things. Is Booker or Beal the PG? Neither have the height or ability I think to be slotted as a SF and push Durant to PF. So I have questions on that side. But the Wizards got back some pick swaps and second round picks as well, so that will be determined at a later time if any of them work out. If they can convince Chris Paul to stay, and keep KP and Kuzma, then they are a piece or two away from contending in the east. If they make smart moves. Of which unfortunately, the Wizards have rarely made. I look at it as them if they have to go full rebuild, then this is about stocking draft picks between 1-5 for the next 3-4 years and really rebuild the roster. Giving some young players a chance to play and see what they have. Probably trade CP3 for a couple of young players as well so he has a chance at a title. Possibly do a sign and trade with KP to stock more picks and young talent. Kuzma I just see going. But this has a chance to be the kind of rebuild the team has needed for a long time. 5 years from now, we might be seeing the rise of an Eastern Conference powerhouse. Or yes, it could be one of the worst trades of all time and doom the Wizards for the next decade. We just don't know yet. Phoenix, my only concern is how it works between Beal and Booker in the backcourt. Talent wise, I think they are as dangerous as ever. But I also think it means they will trade Ayton to get depth. He won't want to further reduce his role on offense. He wants to prove he can either be a 1st or 2nd option for a championship team. Can he? I don't know. But I can't see him wanting to stay as a 4th option when he was wanting to leave a year ago for a chance to be more.
It all started with the weak Washington front office giving Beal the no-trade clause. For reference, Curry didn't get a no-trade clause from the Warriors even when he wanted to.
I think you have to add context to Washington tho. This is a new GM he didn’t sign Beal to thet dumb deal. I’ll give him a B for this trade bc of the context behind the NTC. For the suns grade I agree tho. Beal makes little sense for a team that needed a playmaker, depth and defense
They have 3.5 max-caliber stars. Excellent starting point. If healthy, they cause wreck in this league. The Heat proved this year that you can find defenders and role players with heart.
@@cameronno6039 Lmao. The heat are the only team in the nba consistently getting guys off the street. Let's not act like this is a trend. Also if you understood the new cba you would not think it's a good starting point to basically be locked into the cap with 3 guys accounting for 150 million alone for the next 3 seasons
@Pimp named slickback You start with talent and then get the rest. There have been tons of low tier players that became stars. Ben Wallace was undrafted. The spurs dynasty was made from players that were late picks (except Duncan). The Warriors were not incredibly high picks except Durant. Point being, Good franchises develop and players will sign very minimums to win. Acting like the heat are the only historical example is short sighted.
@@cameronno6039 Yeah, but Phoenix isn't a good franchise. They won't draft or develop a good team, which is why they are trying desperately to build a big 3 to win.
Interesting point about this being the last ever “no trade clause.” I think you’re right, after what happened to the wizards, I can’t imagine any team risking it, no matter how loyal or how good the player is.
@@shorewall I don’t know about sus, I just think the previous president of operations was the dumbest GM on the planet, did you see what he traded Rui for? He made the GM of the twolves look like a genius.
Phoenix won 2 games against Denver in the playoffs. The most any team could. And now they are better (Plus they got a better coach). Obviously the rest of the roster needs to be filled, but I like this trade a lot.
They won two games, but no one was convincing against Denver. You also have to consider that they still may have to move Ayton and their depth is shot until the results of that. This trade won't put them closer, its gonna be likely the result of any Ayton trade.
Because of this trade you can’t fill out the rest of this roster at all you literally have no cap space whatsoever and after next season O BOY phoenix will be in cap hell. The only reason you like this trade is because of the names but all of the big 3 have been injury prone for the last few years. You better pray they can stay healthy
beal and dbook can playmake. when you have that much spacing and offensive talent playmaking isn’t hard it’s just your want too , and beal will probably accept a more PG role
They needed a defensive player not another offensive stud. This is madness, they better score 145+ every game and have no injuries, or they are screwed
I disagree. Beal on the Wizards was a negative asset: they couldn't win with him on the roster and they couldn't trade him for something else because he had to consent to the trade. So all they had, at best, was a set of options given to them by Beal. As a result, the Wizards have few assets and few obligations weighing them down. It's an ugly situation but definitely better than they had with Beal.
2 lesser players and 2nd round picks are suppose to improve them to win? They could’ve got hero, picks and possibly another young player from the heat. That’s MILLIONS better than this trade. It’s god awful trade for wizards
Guy that made the video: "I'm kinda shocked that there was no other team around the league that was willing to give up more than this". He and other people don't understand how a NTC works. Let's say hypothetically if a team like Sacramento offered Fox and 5 first round picks. Beal has to "agree" to a trade to Sacramento. It doesn't matter what another team offered. Beal was able to dictate being traded to Phoenix because of his NTC.
Unfortunately your take only takes into the consideration of return and not the situation of Washington (lack of leverage due to no-trade clause, flexibility of Paul’s and Shamet’s contract, increased roles for young players, and eventual salary cap flexibility.) Sorry man, this is a L take. It was already this bad when the last GM gave a no-trade clause.
@@SportingLogicallywe would have to wait and see if Portland messes up... but that's not great strategy by then all the free-agent would be signed and Missed opportunity for trades
I would trade Jimmy and my roster would look like this Anfernee Simons Tyler Herro Caleb Martin John Collins Bam With Erik Spoelstra developing in a few years that's a championship roster unfortunately for Jimmy he is running out of time and we have failed him.
@@SportingLogically Portland will most likely screw up during this offseason, and I can’t wait to see what happens to this joke of a franchise that’s been running it back for far too long.
Washington's hand were tied because Beal could dictate where he wanted to go. Also for a rebuilding team to dump that kind of salary is a good thing for the future. People will look at the optics of this instead of looking at what this means for the future.
@@MajaesPov I don’t think you understand how terrible his contract is.. Potentially the worst in NBA history next to Chandler Parsons and I’m not exaggerating.. Who becomes the facilitator on that team? We’ve seen Book try to facilitate when Cp3 was injured and it’s not pretty.. And Beal is not a playmaker.. They’re adopting the no trade clause so if they don’t win next year which they won’t they’re forced to continue paying Beal that gargantuan contract because no other team will offer him more and they can’t trade him lol..Name one championship team that has won with little defense and no bench in NBA history.. You can’t because it’s never happened lol
Its bad, but overall I think the Wizards come out on top here. Sure they didnt get any value for Beal, but they got away from his extreme contract. They practically had to pay to get rid of him, but it seems like the front office is just wiping clean and starting over and thats a necessary price to pay to ditch that contract. Phoenix is *screwed* with having the second highest paid player in the entire league...along with KD and Booker. The Suns are going to make one, maybe two more playoff appearances and then they'll be irrelevant for 10 years
This means their bench will be Richard Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins, JJ Reddick and Reggie Miller 😂 whoever taught the Suns chess needs to be fired expeditiously
Washington has one of the bleakest futures in the NBA, Kuzma and Porzingis can leave for nothing and they only have a jumble of below average role players and a few late lottery picks that haven’t really done much at this point
As a suns fan id rather have mikal bridges over beal. And y'all can hold your opinions on that till after next year when bridges averages 25+ and gets defensive player of the year again. Bridges was the young guy playing under a bunch of superstars and was still getting almost 20 ppg while being the best dedensive player on the team playing limited minutes. Bridges is WAY underrated and now as the main guy on brooklyn hes gonna be a superstar. He had a ton of 30+ point games right off the bat when they dropped him into brooklyn. Hes built for the game. Crazy wingspan nice jumper hasnt missed a game since he started his career. Etc etc
Bruh can someone explain the science, of why it is that when you put a bunch of good players in a team , most of the time , the team ends up being trash ...
KD, Harden, Kyrie in Brooklyn were unstoppable they just didn’t play together for multiple reasons. Injuries and Kyrie’s vaccinations antics were the only reasons that didn’t workout not because theu didn’t figure in the court. Brooklyn was up 2-0 against the Bucks in 2021 but then Harden and Kyrie got injured and then still KD alone got them in game 7 being just inches away from winning that series
I live in the DMV, this is a Washington franchise specialty. They always over pay for guys that are B to B+ players when they should just restart and stop being middle of the pact. Should have traded Wall a year before the injury and Beal 3 years ago!
So KD, Harden, and Kyrie + scarps for a bench failed what makes them think KD, Booker, and Beal + scraps gonna do. Yes Ayton is lumped in with the scraps.
What this guy is not getting as far as the return is how impactful Beal's no-trade clause is. He was not going to approve a trade where the team he was going to gave up most of the team to give him....the Wizards were at Beal's mercy. On the flipside, Washington wins either way because they are off the hook with paying a guy $200+M WITH a full no-trade clause. Also, they can just waive CP3. They can start from scratch and never make a decision like they did with Beal's no-trade again. They weren't winning anything with Beal as they can't attract Free Agents. Phoenix can be the HUGE loser in this. If Beal is injured a lot and more specifically if they don't win a title, the Suns loook foolish for going after a "big ticket item" instead of building a solid team around the 2 stars on KD and Booker.
I don't think the main point of the Beal trade was to get back some legendary haul, or even a great haul. The main point was just to offload the worst contract in the sport. Its an entirely new front office trying to clean up the mess that the last one left, and they're also reportedly taking calls on Kristaps, which spells a full-blown rebuild, something the franchise really needs. Your point about some team probably being able/wanting to offer more is valid for regular trades and literally everyone else in the league, but not Beal. Beal's NTC makes it so he can decline any trade, any time. I doubt he'd want to go somewhere he cannot contend, which is why only the Heat and Suns got real traction on a deal. It's not like the hornets could offer 3 FRPS and LaMelo and its as simple as the Wizards accepting it, because if beal doesnt want to go to Charlotte he can just say the word and the whole thing falls apart. The wizards had 2 options: 1) Offload beal for whatever they could get and start rebuilding 2) Continue to be in the middle of the first round of the draft (8 seed) until finally letting Beal walk in 5 years The correct option is glaringly obvious. Thus, the wizards absolutely won the deal, even though they didn't get a whole lot back.
It appears that Phoenix and Miami were the only ones on Beals list that were actually interested in him back. Miami were stalling, understandably holding out for Lillard. The Wizards were probably concerned that the Suns would change their mind and/or go after Lillard too. But quite simply even if Lillard never becomes available that either the Suns or the Heat realise there are better options out there for them to go after. It is crazy to think that the Suns are ~$30m over the cap with just four players and only have one more under contract (Payne). They have no starting point guard and/or are going to have to play guy(s) out of position. From the Wizards point of view it seems odd to not include another team to try and get a first. They don’t have their own 2024 pick.
This trade will not improve their roster the only thing Beal is better at doing is scoring which is what booker and Durant already do. Who is gonna defend or ball handle
I don’t think it’s very fair to criticize what Washington got in return for Beal when the trade had to be approved by Beal in order for it to go through. Why is he going to allow his new team to give up valuable assets when he doesn’t have to. What Washington really gets from this is the 2nd biggest contract in the NBA off their books, whatever they get in return for CP3 when they trade him, and a direction for their organization. I give them a B. It can’t be an A because you don’t get anything back that you’re super excited about, but a positive move for them for sure
I question whether or not you are thinking logically on this. As far as Phx perspective, they were giving up a player that at best they hoped would re-sign at a vet min after getting waived and losing half his salary. The possibility of him just leaving and the Suns having to stretch the $15 mil over a number of yrs was high. They also wanted to get rid of Shamet. Most Suns fans wanted them to cut him during the regular season, so this was addition by subtraction. Do you actually see the Wizards finishing above the Suns in the next 4 yrs? That means the puck swaps mean nothing. The 2nd round picks are going to be late, and Ishbia will most likely try to buy some earlier ones in these yrs, so doesn’t mean anything. They also wouldn't have cap space if they waived CP3 either, so why not? As far as the Wizards, you know they were over the barrel and basically had to get out from under that contract. You can't bottom out, and you can’t get cap space when you're ready to start competing and attracting FAs, if you're stuck in mediocrity with Beal's contract. Beal had all the power in this instance. He went where he wanted to go, and he made sure they didn’t gut their team for him, so he can compete for a title. Now, they can tank and start building correctly. They are probably targeting the '26 draft for their last bad yr and draft before their rise.the '26 draft has 3 projected studs available so far.
I think that the Suns are really going to regret these Durant and Beal trades in a couple of years. Going forward, they have no assets and no realistic ways of improving the roster outside of trading one of their core players. It's very possible they could be trading away multiple high lottery picks as a result of these trades.
If you're wondering about why there is no facecam...
I drive 12 hours to go on vacation today, 30 minutes after I parked the Beal trade dropped. I brought a mic with me and made this happen... if you can't tell already I have some THOUGHTS about this trade...
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I’m sorry the front office is working against your team but I can’t blame them for not watching the wizards play 😢
Gets the job done, though I miss seeing the progress you are making on your beard.
Dude is putting in some overtime for this
The no trade clause is only wizard related. So the Suns could trade him anywhere they want
Phoenix gonna have 5 door dash drivers coming off the bench
Sign me Up I’ll play for free 😂
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@@DaTiddyKitty hell nah. PAY ME! I'll take the lowest nba contract of a measly 200k
And they’ll be in cap hell
@@JacquamillafiousJBHthe cap is non existent
“I’m shocked no other team around the league was willing to give up more.”
It was never about who could give up more. He had a No Trade Clause. He decides where to go. That was the biggest factor. Shams mentioned that.
Yes but Beal didn’t want to go to only the suns he had multiple teams on his list and I feel like they could have gotten more
@@peewee0224the no trade clause also means Beal can build the trade. If he felt like the wizards were gonna give up too much, he could veto the trade. Maybe you could’ve held out for more, but the reality of the situation is you have a top 20-30ish player getting paid like he’s MVP candidate that you can’t trade unless he lets you on the books till 2027. It’s arguably the worst contract in the league.
In trading him, you can begin the tank and showcase other guys without no trade clauses where you actually have leverage with.
This is horrifically bad return, like the type of return you’d expect for a guy like nurkic, but that no trade clause on top of having the 2nd highest contract in the league was gonna make it very tough to get anything worthwhile.
@@peewee0224 the closest team was Miami & they were kinda stalling 'til draft time trying to wait to see what Dame/Blazers were gonna do, since they preferred him over Beal. D.C. couldn't really wait on them, so I shoot them some bail for that.
@@KidReason why couldn’t dc wait?
@@peewee0224 new front office wanted to kickstart the rebuild into the draft. Add in KP's option deadline in a few days(now likely they discuss him opting in so they can move him) and Kuzma becoming a FA(so they don't have to give him long-term money), they can start the rebuild now while Beal was open to moving. Their pick next year is top 12 protected to the Knicks, so they couldn't afford to bring them back and be a mid-ass team like they've been. Plus, what if Miami got the Dame deal? They'd have been waiting for nothing.
It’s a salary dump for Washington and Phoenix is going to try and out score everyone, cause it worked so well in Brooklyn. Dumb deal.
The Brooklyn big 3 was unbeatable when healthy. But There’s no harden this time to run the floor.
@@Mike-tb9rk yeah all 8 games they played great
They only cleared like 5 mil, and like 8-ish mil the next year.. wouldn’t say it was as a salary dump..
@@martianmurray 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s funny how people say this without actually knowing what happened . The big three in Brooklyn were on a 60 win pace. They were unbeatable
Beal has a no-trade clause in his contract. Part of which means he has full say in where he is traded to. Therefore I don't think other teams with better offers ever stood a chance
Shows Beal never really cared about Washington dude. To leave the team without any 1st round picks so they can rebuild. Atleast James Harden got tons of 1st picks for Rockets when he left even with lots of dramas. Beal selfish AF, loyalty my ass, he just used Wizards for super max.
It's not up to Beal to make sure the deal is fair.
@@iambarryallen are you 5?
@@iambarryallen
What?
Beal negotiated himself, the right to do what he did.
Suns have received inside intel from the league that the NBA will be playing with three balls at a time next season.
Wizards quickly became the worst franchise in basketball post trade But their alternative was to continue to be the most irrelevant organization in basketball with no leverage, no ability to add talent through free agency and always in a place in the draft to draft another ok role player (or busts) instead of another star.
Except the Knicks have Wiz pick next year....sooooo.... (it's I think top 10 or 8 protected, but that then you're at 2025 and still bad).
theyll now be worse than the pistons and other poverty franchises next year
Washington needs to do a complete makeover. Change as much as possible from the uniforms to the players to the coaching staff.
Charlotte has joined the chat >.
I feel like the wizards could have gotten better compensation tho
To me, this is the start of a full Washington rebuild, which is about time imo
Rebuild?Lmfao, what is there to rebuild? They’ve been a shitty organization their entire existence😂😂
About time but the wrong time, they should've done this last summer to be in the Wembenyama or Scoot sweepstakes. With as little as they got back in the deal they better hope they can draft a superstar because no real game changers are gonna sign there. 5-10 more years of mediocrity is still likely.
it’s embarrassing to go into a full rebuild the week Wemby gets drafted
they are rebuilding for over 30 years now ... feels like they are consistent the 25th best team every single year.
Like you are only one that gets it. Look at spurs now with wemby
Wizards are lucky they didn’t have to give up draft picks to get rid of that awful contract
Don’t get why they even gave him that contract lol
Can't believe they trade a terrible contract after signing him the year before
@@Nbatryme that is kinda crazy. But I think it says how much they like Avdija.
@@santaclause3487 i just hope this team revives like the the 70s
@@Nbatryme It’s because the old front office got fired for doing that dogshit contract. New front office has no other option than getting rid of it since the wizards aren’t exactly in contending position.
I speak for all wizards fans when I say we despise our front office. Convinced they don’t even watch the team play
You're complaining about the new front office that is executing a rebuild that majority of the fan base was asking for? His contract from previous management made it so we had little to no trade market. They did the best they could in a shit situation.
@@Matti861 I know it’s new guys but I just kind of collectively rope them all in. Also unless they flip cp3 to another team this was such a bad trade. Landry shamet and some second round picks cmon now. It’s not a rebuild it’s just a slow death. Tired of picking up aging stars that’ll lead us to a play in spot instead of truly tanking. I do hope the new GM does better though
They just want to dump the contract.
What would U do if he doesn't wanna be there ?
Bro is devastated 😭
I believe that the Suns now cannot afford even me to come off the bench
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CPs 30 mill is a big hit on the cap space.
I'd ask to play for free at this rate
People are really killing the new Wiz GM and are ignoring the no-trade clause aspect, Wiz had basically no control over this situation from the moment they handed out the contract
They got out from under that contract, but now why pay to see them? Who’s the draw?
@@CorePathway who gives a shit? Theyre gonna rebuild
Bradley has all the power with his No Trade Clause. He probably said he would only go to Phoenix. If that's the case, then Wizards front office had no choice but to get what they did
But why didn't DC take Ayton
@@theetruth8626 didn't want that long-term money going into a rebuild.
@@theetruth8626 Beal refused to go if Ayton went back the other way. Figured the Wiz had no leverage and the Suns would have overpaid.
@@jackmacfakie1387 that's a f up situation this trade has now diminish any future contracts with no trade clauses guarantee team will let players walk
@@jackmacfakie1387and after this I doubt any team will want to give another player a no trade clause ever again. This was a pitiful return and it was entirely because they had no leverage because of the no trade clause.
As a Hornets fan it makes me feel a little better about our situation at least we're not the only team that has a front office that can't run a team lol
MJ out the door soon. He made bank though. Can'y say it was a total filure for him.
CLT has a bright future
Hornets will be in an even better situation if they draft Scoot
I'm excited that as a Raptors fan, the Vince Carter trade is no longer the worst star trade ever.
@@johndebono1870 yes it is
I actually think this trade could be better for the Wizards overall. If they get a 3rd team into the trade for CP3, as has been reported being looked at, the Wizards will likely get to offload a ton of money off their roster & start to rebuild. Beal isn't a max player & they'd be really bad for a while if they had to keep him. Now, they have a chance as a front office to clean house & start anew with a healthy amount of money to get a better star. And, the new CBA may make that easier to do as teams will struggle a bit more to keep their max players. I don't think the Suns, as they stand with this trade, will be that great. This team will play horrendous defense, they'll have no true playmaker, and they'll struggle to sign good backups because of their heavy contracts on & the new CBA. Somehow, I foresee their bench being worse next season than the latter part of this past season for the Suns, which is pretty crazy. And, they aren't going to get a good trade for Aytom if they try to get rid of him because teams know they are desperate on that front. I think they'll just be a slightly worse version of the Kings. High-powered offense, bad defense.
Edit: just to add to my point on the Suns building a roster. Auton, Booker, Durant, & Beal alone put them over the luxury tax. That's without a 5th starter signed right now. So, the Sun may actually have a 5-man lineup woth a bunch of duds on the bench.
KD, Booker, and Beal are about to miss a good amount of games from having to play too many minutes
They’re gonna need a healthy amount of money to get a better star, it seems unlikely that anyone will want to sign with them because they think they can win.
Wizards will be a non-entity for the next decade.
bro Booker is a great passer so is Beal
@@DaryMatera we will see because honestly those pick swaps will make them loaded if KD leaves
You even said it, Bradley Beal had a iron clad no trade clause so maybe some other teams were interested but it was really up to him and he make tons of money.
I think this is far worse for the Suns. At least the Wizards can start a much needed rebuild where as the Suns are now stuck with 4 massive contracts with one being no trade.
Lol w.e makes u feel better.
Wizards were 3 years late on a rebuild and they could have gotten their assets better by then. Beal would have actually net them back bigger assets than he did now with a NTC. Suns don't care because they were on this road even with CP3. Just swap him out for Beal for the next 3-4 years.
@@t4d0W exactly which y suns win this trade IF they can add some decent bench will see. wz just do what they do best lose on everything.
Suns traded an old perpetually injured guard for a younger perpetually injured guard.
Believe i rather have the younger one you can take the old one. 3 headed superstars & take a chance on it look i dnt even agree on trade of kd or beal but since they did go all in bt to me is more about trading ayton & build a decent bench & if they do then they have a good shot at making a run unlike the wz jst take Ls decade after decade.
I was just chatting with a friend about Beal before I knew about the trade. I said he would get traded for nothing because of the no-trade clause. I didn't know about his connections to Phoenix, or that it might have been arranged so Phoenix gave up nothing.
Yups his agent’s son is the new cfo for the Suns.. smh
I’m not a fan of the wizards or suns but i like the deal for the wiz for the fact that the Beal’s contract is terrible. They are finally gonna tank
Morons should have done that this year. Wemby will bring the Spurs a ring before turning 25.
Yeah, he acts like Beal is Durant level or something and should've gotten more, but he disregards the contract nearly entirely. It's a cap dump, and can save even more cap by cutting CP3. I don't really agree with him on hating it for the Wiz.
@@armthesharks6904fr. He doesn’t seem to realize that Beal has a no trade clause and picked which team he would go to and what they would give up in return. It’s not like they had the luxury of shopping him around and taking the best offer. The did the best they could have given the circumstance imo
They gave away there best player for trash! That can only make you worse, way worse!
@@debbiecampbell1326 that’s pretty much the point when you’re trying to rebuild
This is the Russ Lakers all over again 3 stars no depth
As a lakers fan I disagree. At least these guys fit well with each other. That lakers big 3 was a different story
Ayton is still there and can be traded for value if they don't keep him...
I don’t think so, lakers gave up a lot to get Russ and the fit was messed up but in this case suns traded practically nothing of significance for Beal
@@TheyCallMeLegendzzz I wouldn't say KD, Booker, and Beal fit well with each other. They all have redundant skill sets which don't compliment each other. KD is just a older more injury prone Booker, and Beal is basically a "not as good" version of Devin Booker
You forgot the whole reason that Beal’s value was basically zero. He is the only nba player with a no trade clause. So even if a team like the thunder wanted to give up major assets; if Beal didn’t want to go there he would veto the trade.
well said
And he still retains his NTC since its baked into his current contract.
The wizards messed up giving beal a no trade clause and so much money. I actually getting rid of him right now is very smart. There is no way they could get assets if they kept him on the roster. Atleast they can start a proper rebuild and clear cap space
Phoenix: gets defeated in the second round by a team with depth and isn’t insanely top heavy
Also Phoenix: “Let’s double down on it!”
What depth did they sacrifice for Beal?? 😂 they literally got him for nothing
denver played 2 guys meaningful minutes off the bench brody. You need 9 guys for the regular season, 7 in the playoffs.
@@Esco_Season242 for 1 trade is already a net negative for depth, now add the picks on top of that and you're deeper in the hole.
They have no real way to add to their team now unless they find a team even stupider than themselves who is willing to take Ayton.
@@BryanRoach Ayton is a beast when used correctly
@@Esco_Season24 they have no cap so who are they gonna sign to play. Plus that new CBA is gonna kill their owners pockets.
This is the same guy who gave the Knicks an F for acquiring Brunson.
lol... aged like milk... I remember that
He's a Nets fan so what do you expect? Brunson def showed his value in this years playoffs where he could get buckets even against the Heat. And nobody from the dinky Cavs could stop him either.
Yeah, no one else is getting a "no trade clause."
I think there are more of teams that were willing to give more but he has a no trade clause. So he could determine where to go, and the wizards think the suns offer is better then the heat..
NBA Front Office mentioned the Heat prioritizes Lillard. It is a bad trade but the Wizards didn't want salary back outside the upcoming season. Idr if Shamet's contract has a team option because i thought he had a 4 year deal and like Bridges it ends in '25.
The Robinson contract is a long one, Wizards doesn't want another long contract after dumping a big one.
They didnt want more..dumb put themselves in same cant win title position.
Not that the Wizards think the Suns had a better offer, Bradley Beal wanted to go to PHX and made sure the team got nothing in return
I think the wizards were smart. They purposely rushed the whole process before Damian Lillard could request a trade. Considering Beal has that ridiculous contract, it would have been a problem in trying to get rid of Beal.
dont put smart and wizards in the same sentence bro
no you’re completely right the new front office knows how to work towards a championship rather than maintain mediocre
@@iambarryallenyou sound dumb the new front office is nice as hell and clearly knows what they were doing meaning the wizards were smart 💀
It's a salary dump by Washington, now they can actually start rebuilding. very good move.
I was thinking the same thing.
They still could have got more assets
Trust the process! Expect 3 shitty years praying for the top lottery pick. 3 or 4. Maybe 5. 🤷🏼♂️
@@peewee0224 Beal has a no trade clause. IF the team beal is going to lets say the suns and the suns are giving too much beal wouldtn want to damage his future team
@@johnsonsmithson45 yes I know but they don’t have to trade him rn they can wait.
The Wizards looks like the Blake Griffin Saga Pistons. But if we’ve learned anything from the Pistons, it’s that even when things look bleak, good decisions made at the helm will open up a bright future. Whether Porzingis and Kuzma come back or not (they’ll def be traded if they do) the Wizards aren’t Screwed. They’re just going to have to take things slowly. They at least have some young guys on the roster, which is more than Detroit had.
Tommy sheppard needs to be reprimanded for what he did to the franchise giving Beal the contract he gave knowing he didn't have that much of a market in free agency that year
Don't forget he gave away Hachimura to the lakers
@Hebrew80 good God, for Nunn and more 2nd rounders. That man should be disqualified from taking management positions in sports
@Tony full transparency, I'm not a wizards fan either but agreed that ntc made no sense and never will
I blame the owner. He sits there and let Gm's make bad decisions, until something goes terribly wrong
Remember that Beal had a no trade clause so that likely heavily impacted this package, he was also on a huge contract.
Yes, imho a better offer was probably on the table but if Beal wanted to go play with KD and Book the Wizards had no choice
@@davidem759 They didn't have to trade him. Was he being disruptive?
@@cameronno6039 His color should answer that question.
@@tommyp1584yeah, those black guys in the NBA. Even Boston’s roster is filled with them. 😂😂😂
@@CorePathway must be so upsetting to see black men making more money and screwing all the women.
I mean our last gm gave him a no trade clause and signed him to crazy super max so it was always gonna be hard to move him. Getting anything is a miracle fr. We cleared $150 for the next 3 years so we’ll be Ight.
@Tony it was beals decision. Again our last gm fucked us.
@Tony-gv9qqdoesn't have to make sense. Beal had a no trade clause so he could veto any trade he didn't like. The Wizards had no say in the matter
It’s a new regime. It’s a complete rebuild and getting rid of Beals contract was the main goal. I’m a wizards fan and I’m happy about it. The fact that we were able to off load his massive contract, with a no trade clause, is a godsend.
keep telling yourself that
@peskypesky huh? He's right, Wiz got rid of that awful contract
What is wrong with you people, Phoenix just added another truly great player for trash! Phoenix is now gonna win the chimp if they stay healthy! Duh!
@@debbiecampbell1326 nope
@@Johnny-hn9ts they got trash back for an all-NBA player. 😂😂😂😂
I’ve been a wiz fan since gill, Caron, and Jamison. The wiz last exciting year was 2017 vs Boston. Since wall hit that game winner it’s been down hill. Beal wasn’t the player we needed. He is a solid number #2 and a excellent 3rd option. But he isn’t a first option. In all honesty I am glad the current front office got it done. We’ve been needing a rebuild since the John Wall injury. Obviously I wish they could’ve gotten more but sadly that is the predicament the current front office was faced with. It’s easy to say they messed this up but they did the best they could. It would’ve been way worse keeping him and repeating the endless cycle. Paul will most likely be bought out of his partially guaranteed contract or traded. hopefully they allow kuz to walk because over paying for him to stay would quite literally make this whole trade for nothing. Also with the rule changes it helps out cap space. The first step is always the hardest but now that it is over the wiz are in a much better position to rebuild this team without Beal.
Exactly my thoughts when John Wall tore his Achilles it ended that era of wizards basketball the team has painfully been calling for a rebuild finally it’s been done
Hopefully the team can rebuild properly
They need to get rid of cp bring in one more Bonafide Bucket getter & sign kyrie 🤝
Washington = salary dump
Phoenix = 2nd round exit, no bench
The Wizards think the NBA CBA is going to get really constraining fast and they want to make cap space to later be a dump destination.
In terms of the destination for Beal, he controlled it with that no trade
Its going to be constraining the way they constructed their roster either way. They overpaid for an aging 3rd option whose injury prone AND gave him an NTC. They also had a 7 footer 3-ball chucker whose all empty stats and they managed to move him out for beans. And no way they are paying the king of empty stats in Kuzma a new contract. Meanwhile some of the teams who went on the rebuild earlier are going to do fine because they been scouring to draft for value besides the obvious best pick and have them at controlled costs.
It's more of a disaster for Phoenix, in my opinion. At least Washington can tank. I don't know what the hell Phoenix is doing. Bradley Beal addresses none of their problems and completely takes away any cap flexibility they had to address them. He's basically just a worse version of Booker.
Beal has a no-trade clause in his contract, so it doesn’t matter if another team offered more, he could veto a trade to any team if he didn’t want to go there.
Wizards should've played hard-ball with him and if he vetoed trades that made sense they should've said ok good luck on your 6th man of the year award.
@@kevinkrusen483 The new front office doesn’t want him though, they would rather be rid of his contract so they can rebuild than risk having him for another year. With his no trade clause, he has all the leverage in this scenario and everybody knew it.
@@kevinkrusen483 his contract will single-handedly crutch any team he’s on, the new GM didn’t want him just because of that. Even if they got scraps it’s not like he was taking them anywhere and now they have financial freedom going forward
Everyone is somehow forgetting that Beal has a no trade clause, the heat offered a much better offer (Kyle Lowry, Duncan Robinson, and multiple first rounders), but Beal declined. Yes this is still a bad trade, but it’s not entirely the front office’s fault
Have to disagree with you. This is what wizards fans expected. Can't blame current management. They did the best they could do. This front office can draft well
I forget they got a GM from the Sam Presti tree. It’ll take a few years but it should be a promising process.
@@bwanimations7130 Troy Weaver is from Presti's tree and so far he's been meh. A huge part of what made Presti unique is that the OKC is super patient to let him do his thing despite lucking out and drafting his core in the early offset years with KD, Russ and Harden in a 3 year span. Then adding supplementary talent on the cheap within those subsequent years. Wizards fans barking up the wrong tree if the FO process sucks because they should be giving a finger to the owner Ted Leonsis who keeps hiring bums.
Wizards give out the worst contract in NBA history, and made the worst trade in nba history.
Beal is definitely an upgrade, just not the type I think they needed. If the Suns don’t win the next Chip, then I don’t think that following offseason will be pretty- Durant and Beal have no loyalty to the Suns, Durant is a ring chaser (might request out) and Beal can do what to the Suns he pleases due to his no-trade clause and cap hit is crazy along with the new CBA.
beal waived his no trade clause so he can be traded again without his consent. I think don't quote me on that
After the next season it will be next to impossible to move players because of the new agreement.
Basically, you would have to exchange player for just one player with the exact same contracts. So, you just have to ride it out until the contract expires.
That was put in place for EXACTLY this kind of situations, making superteams, dumping big contracts etc.
It'll be very bad couple of seasons for Suns fans and Booker, but f. Booker, he's a b.
Lmaoooo they won’t even make it pass the 1st round. Their defense got worse, no playmaking and no chemistry lol whoever taught of this trade should never watch basketball again
That cap hit is gonna be insane either way. After this upcoming year, for the 2024-2025 season, as of now the suns will have 4 players on the roster with a total salary of 185 million dollars already on the books. For context, the soft salary cap is 143 million.
Lmao it’s kinda funny how teams keep trading for KD, giving up a ton of picks, it doesn’t work out, then they trade him for a ton of picks. Like, what’s the point 😂
Porzingis took the player option too so Wizards are going for the full rebuild. I'm thinking its a smart move in the long run with all those picks. Its better to go full rebuild than half-ass it with aged players like Westbrook.
When will these franchises learn that stacking up all stars more often than not will result in failure. Denver and Miami showed us this year the proper way of building a team.
Owners like the shiny new toy.
Butts in seats. Most of these owners just want to sell more seats and lounges and jerseys they don't care about winning anymore. Which is extremely stupid since the warriors owner Joe Jacob bought the team for 500 million and as of last year the team was valued at 8 billion dollars higher than the Knicks and lakers. But to be 100% fair its near impossible to build what lacob did so owners rather take the easy route and build a flashy roster to make quick cash
To be fair I'm more excited with Ishbia playing power moves than rancid ass Robert Sarver cheaping out to build a Suns team. I'm not a fan of Ishbia's approach but he wants to flex his money for the coming CBA so more power to him. Hell sometimes these bad franchises *NEED* new owners with money and pull to kickstart the org to a more exciting direction.
Wizards did the right thing they need to clear house for a total rebuild. Beal was never gonna contend after signing that big contract. Wizards will win the east within 3 years after they get a hugh draft pick and free agents like the Boston guard who got exposed in the playoffs soon.
I think Beal forced his way to the Suns with his no-trade clause and probably in someway made the Wizard take back less asset. But the analysis is kinda spot on, adding a worse version of Booker doesn’t double your offensive capabilities, some one in this Big 3 will need to take a big step back, and that’s probably either Beal or KD. They are going to move Ayton and turn his money into a few role players and a rim protector, until we see the new full team it’s hard to judge this trade.
Funny your missing the factor that beal is not very good and being paid 47 million a year 😂
I unfortunately continue to be a Washington sufferfan... This trade hurt any excitement I had for the team which was small to begin with. Guess we are building around superstar Avdija -_-
No offense but this needed to happen years ago. This team needs a complete makeover from top to bottom.
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 don't disagree with either of you. Doesn't make it hurt less... Beal had to go, no doubt, but thought we could at least get one 1st (late 1st but a first none the less). This just rubs salt in the wound that this was not done earlier
bro the fact that the wizards even got a fool to take on beal humongous contract's already a win. now with phoenix tho, imagine paying 50 mil for the next 3 years to a 3rd option 💀
The fact that even some of the greatest players of all time like Curry, Lebron and Giannis in his prime didn’t get no trade clauses should have tipped someone in DC that it was a bad idea
LOL even Dirk who was loyal to the Mavs his entire career never had an NTC. Its like the guys who know they aren't elite always demand the money and the contract conditions that the elite can only dream to get. Been the NBA contract story since the league got ever more popular.
What did Bradley Beal do to be better than CP3? Score the basket? Because he damn sure didn't play or win not even half as much as Paul
Beal turned down Milwaukee and Sacramento to play in Phoenix with no bench...
Supposedly Milwaukee was willing to trade, Middleton,Grayson Allen, Jae Crowder and Pat and a 1st round pick swap for Beal and Delon Wright. Beal most likely wanted to play with one of those guys to reject. But Bucks are crazy to even give up that much for Beal.
@@indo1506 on the downside I’m glad it didn’t happen khris Middleton will remain a buck
Bad trade. Beal n Booker play same position. No role players for Phoenix. James Jones built this team n he's destroying it. They'll be handicap by the salary for years to come
They couldn’t demand more because of the no trade clause
Then don't trade .Chris Paul also has a bad contract
They could also not trade him. If he wants the money so much, and is so much a snake as to tank his trade value, then you can tell him "Alright, suit up for next season and try to put butts in our seats". The next season is already forfeit now and their profitability will be hit while losing someone who actually did well with DC fans (until this move of course).
If i were phoenix i would of told biel to take the no trade clause out or you wont be a suns.
@@dangda-ww7de They can't renegotiate like that, he has to be a Sun first for them to renegotiate and then he could just say "No" and you have to abide by the terms. Reality will always have the no-trade clause in play.
This didn't age well. Now the suns can't get rid of him bcz of his no-trade clause
Doesn’t this help DC not be struck with a bad contract with a no trade clause?
It doesn't matter what Washington gets. The point was to get rid of the Beal contract. That's the win. Beal sux and is always hurt.
Beal had a full NTC. He could literally deny anything. The fact the new Washington FO got out from his terrible contract is a win.
Yes, you want picks. Beal wasn’t going to do them any favors and the feeling is he said “PHO or bust.” Getting out of that contract is a win for Washington.
Why the hell did they give him that stupid ass contract in the first place
@@Mdksupreme1the previous GM gave him the contract despite every analyst and NBA exec saying it was a terrible deal.
Washington fired the entire FO last month so this is one of the first moves by the new regime. In the long run it’ll save them a ton of money and cap space. The fact they found a suitor to take Beal should be considered a win for them. Phoenix is in win-now mode, but if they don’t get a chip, how happy will they be paying Beal $58 million in 26/27…
@joemax4 the owners could've stopped the fo from giving Beal that demonic contract, it's still on them
I fully agree. How are they going to divide the ball to three ball dominant players. Someone will be unhappy. No depth whatsoever so if someone gets injured it'll be basically Beal running around like in DC. They looked for the easiest solution on paper but in the playoffs you need depth and many solid players stepping up.
lol 3 dudes jacking up mid range shots, the worst most inefficient shot in basketball analytics. i bet the young Rockets will be better than Suns next year
You gotta keep in mind the no trade clause for Beal, that’s why wizards couldn’t get much back, Beal only wanted to go to Phoenix
Tbf it guarantees a second round exit for the wizards with Landry shamet
So does Phoenix have 4 Max player contracts now?
Yeah they do😂 gonna have a solid bench yet again lol
Ayton is not on a rookie max extension, you would not be able to have beal book and kd if he was.
I think the analysis is off. Because of the second apron penalties, Beal’s contract is devalued because no team wants to risk their assets for a contract that takes 35% of the cap. Financially this move doesn’t make sense, especially for a player to isn’t a top 15 to 20 player; at best, he is in the top 25. Although the Wizard’s options are limited, Beal is undesirable in this climate.
Beal might have said Phoenix or I’m not going so that’s all they could get
At this point we might aswell give a try to get into the Phoenix Suns bench unit for 100k - 200k.
I guess the Suns are going to trade Ayton for 2 deffensive players 15-18M each because kd, booker and beal are great in the offense but they dont really play much deffense.
Another problem is who is going to get the ball ? Kd, Booker and Beal, none of them are a great passer, playmaker or even a offball players. All 3 of them need to get the ball as much as possible and Suns don't have any more picks for the future.
This 3 players injury history the las couple of years has been pretty bad. This really seems more like the Suns said "we are going to outscore everybody" type thing.
Nontheless, this off season is going to be pretty fun
I don't know if I see this as a disaster. I think they probably knew because of Beal's contract they wouldn't get like 3 lottery picks, 2 young players and players to match contract value.
It just wasn't going to happen. Not from any team in the league right now.
But, I do wonder how this works from the Suns side of things. Is Booker or Beal the PG? Neither have the height or ability I think to be slotted as a SF and push Durant to PF.
So I have questions on that side.
But the Wizards got back some pick swaps and second round picks as well, so that will be determined at a later time if any of them work out.
If they can convince Chris Paul to stay, and keep KP and Kuzma, then they are a piece or two away from contending in the east. If they make smart moves. Of which unfortunately, the Wizards have rarely made.
I look at it as them if they have to go full rebuild, then this is about stocking draft picks between 1-5 for the next 3-4 years and really rebuild the roster. Giving some young players a chance to play and see what they have. Probably trade CP3 for a couple of young players as well so he has a chance at a title.
Possibly do a sign and trade with KP to stock more picks and young talent. Kuzma I just see going.
But this has a chance to be the kind of rebuild the team has needed for a long time. 5 years from now, we might be seeing the rise of an Eastern Conference powerhouse. Or yes, it could be one of the worst trades of all time and doom the Wizards for the next decade.
We just don't know yet.
Phoenix, my only concern is how it works between Beal and Booker in the backcourt. Talent wise, I think they are as dangerous as ever. But I also think it means they will trade Ayton to get depth. He won't want to further reduce his role on offense. He wants to prove he can either be a 1st or 2nd option for a championship team. Can he? I don't know. But I can't see him wanting to stay as a 4th option when he was wanting to leave a year ago for a chance to be more.
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It all started with the weak Washington front office giving Beal the no-trade clause. For reference, Curry didn't get a no-trade clause from the Warriors even when he wanted to.
I think you have to add context to Washington tho. This is a new GM he didn’t sign Beal to thet dumb deal. I’ll give him a B for this trade bc of the context behind the NTC. For the suns grade I agree tho. Beal makes little sense for a team that needed a playmaker, depth and defense
They have 3.5 max-caliber stars. Excellent starting point. If healthy, they cause wreck in this league. The Heat proved this year that you can find defenders and role players with heart.
@@cameronno6039 Lmao. The heat are the only team in the nba consistently getting guys off the street. Let's not act like this is a trend. Also if you understood the new cba you would not think it's a good starting point to basically be locked into the cap with 3 guys accounting for 150 million alone for the next 3 seasons
@Pimp named slickback You start with talent and then get the rest. There have been tons of low tier players that became stars. Ben Wallace was undrafted. The spurs dynasty was made from players that were late picks (except Duncan). The Warriors were not incredibly high picks except Durant. Point being, Good franchises develop and players will sign very minimums to win. Acting like the heat are the only historical example is short sighted.
@@cameronno6039 Yeah, but Phoenix isn't a good franchise. They won't draft or develop a good team, which is why they are trying desperately to build a big 3 to win.
@Shorewall Save that energy until next playoffs. Hopefully, we'll see what a healthy Phoenix team can do.
Interesting point about this being the last ever “no trade clause.” I think you’re right, after what happened to the wizards, I can’t imagine any team risking it, no matter how loyal or how good the player is.
Curry couldn’t even get one
Curry couldn’t even get one
Beal shouldn't have gotten this one. League needs to investigate Beal's Contract and how it was created. It smells sus.
@@shorewall I don’t know about sus, I just think the previous president of operations was the dumbest GM on the planet, did you see what he traded Rui for? He made the GM of the twolves look like a genius.
Phoenix won 2 games against Denver in the playoffs. The most any team could. And now they are better (Plus they got a better coach). Obviously the rest of the roster needs to be filled, but I like this trade a lot.
So now they win 3 games?
They won two games, but no one was convincing against Denver. You also have to consider that they still may have to move Ayton and their depth is shot until the results of that. This trade won't put them closer, its gonna be likely the result of any Ayton trade.
They Got A Defensive Coach So That Could Be Good
Also Chris Paul was hurt and Ayton didn’t play on the last game which didn’t help the suns
Because of this trade you can’t fill out the rest of this roster at all you literally have no cap space whatsoever and after next season O BOY phoenix will be in cap hell. The only reason you like this trade is because of the names but all of the big 3 have been injury prone for the last few years. You better pray they can stay healthy
they really should have traded Beal away the same off-season they traded russ
beal and dbook can playmake. when you have that much spacing and offensive talent playmaking isn’t hard it’s just your want too , and beal will probably accept a more PG role
They needed a defensive player not another offensive stud. This is madness, they better score 145+ every game and have no injuries, or they are screwed
I disagree. Beal on the Wizards was a negative asset: they couldn't win with him on the roster and they couldn't trade him for something else because he had to consent to the trade. So all they had, at best, was a set of options given to them by Beal. As a result, the Wizards have few assets and few obligations weighing them down. It's an ugly situation but definitely better than they had with Beal.
2 lesser players and 2nd round picks are suppose to improve them to win? They could’ve got hero, picks and possibly another young player from the heat. That’s MILLIONS better than this trade. It’s god awful trade for wizards
@@yummyteeth7021 Where is it reported that Beal would have accepted that offer?
Guy that made the video: "I'm kinda shocked that there was no other team around the league that was willing to give up more than this".
He and other people don't understand how a NTC works. Let's say hypothetically if a team like Sacramento offered Fox and 5 first round picks. Beal has to "agree" to a trade to Sacramento. It doesn't matter what another team offered. Beal was able to dictate being traded to Phoenix because of his NTC.
Suns three straight 2nd round exits🔥🔥
Unfortunately your take only takes into the consideration of return and not the situation of Washington (lack of leverage due to no-trade clause, flexibility of Paul’s and Shamet’s contract, increased roles for young players, and eventual salary cap flexibility.)
Sorry man, this is a L take. It was already this bad when the last GM gave a no-trade clause.
As a Pistons fan I have no doubt we could have beaten that deal!!
I think most teams would have beat this deal - Beal having a no trade clause basically forced the wizards to make this deal
Why would they?
@@jackmacfakie1387 what answer broo
@@jackmacfakie1387 your are really crazy broo any way pistons suck the league with trading ayton also
The power of no trade clause. btw according to woj, Beal waiving the no trade clause
Bro I wanted him to the heat sooooo bad as you can tell by my profile pick but it’s Alr I’m excited to see how phoenix will shape out
Lillard soon? 👀
We are screwed
@@SportingLogicallywe would have to wait and see if Portland messes up... but that's not great strategy by then all the free-agent would be signed and Missed opportunity for trades
I would trade Jimmy and my roster would look like this
Anfernee Simons
Tyler Herro
Caleb Martin
John Collins
Bam
With Erik Spoelstra developing in a few years that's a championship roster unfortunately for Jimmy he is running out of time and we have failed him.
@@SportingLogically Portland will most likely screw up during this offseason, and I can’t wait to see what happens to this joke of a franchise that’s been running it back for far too long.
Washington's hand were tied because Beal could dictate where he wanted to go. Also for a rebuilding team to dump that kind of salary is a good thing for the future. People will look at the optics of this instead of looking at what this means for the future.
I just wanna thank Bradley Beal & the wizards front office for allowing the Phx suns to come with the fleece of the off-season
This is not a fleece. That contract is awful.
This is absolutely not a fleece it’s basically a giant L for both teams lol
@@thuggwaffle8825 you are crazy if you think it’s an L for phx just bc of the contract we literally got book Beal and kd 😂
@@MajaesPov I don’t think you understand how terrible his contract is.. Potentially the worst in NBA history next to Chandler Parsons and I’m not exaggerating.. Who becomes the facilitator on that team? We’ve seen Book try to facilitate when Cp3 was injured and it’s not pretty.. And Beal is not a playmaker.. They’re adopting the no trade clause so if they don’t win next year which they won’t they’re forced to continue paying Beal that gargantuan contract because no other team will offer him more and they can’t trade him lol..Name one championship team that has won with little defense and no bench in NBA history.. You can’t because it’s never happened lol
Its bad, but overall I think the Wizards come out on top here. Sure they didnt get any value for Beal, but they got away from his extreme contract. They practically had to pay to get rid of him, but it seems like the front office is just wiping clean and starting over and thats a necessary price to pay to ditch that contract. Phoenix is *screwed* with having the second highest paid player in the entire league...along with KD and Booker. The Suns are going to make one, maybe two more playoff appearances and then they'll be irrelevant for 10 years
Youre being unfair, Booker and Beal are pretty decent passers
Suns can bring back craig, landale, okogie, tj, ross, biz, lee. As well as any vet mins chasing a ring. They will be fine lol
This means their bench will be Richard Jefferson, Kendrick Perkins, JJ Reddick and Reggie Miller 😂 whoever taught the Suns chess needs to be fired expeditiously
Washington has one of the bleakest futures in the NBA, Kuzma and Porzingis can leave for nothing and they only have a jumble of below average role players and a few late lottery picks that haven’t really done much at this point
They weren't about to win anything with Beal anyway in Washington he would've made sense in Philly or Sacramento or something
As a suns fan id rather have mikal bridges over beal. And y'all can hold your opinions on that till after next year when bridges averages 25+ and gets defensive player of the year again. Bridges was the young guy playing under a bunch of superstars and was still getting almost 20 ppg while being the best dedensive player on the team playing limited minutes. Bridges is WAY underrated and now as the main guy on brooklyn hes gonna be a superstar. He had a ton of 30+ point games right off the bat when they dropped him into brooklyn. Hes built for the game. Crazy wingspan nice jumper hasnt missed a game since he started his career. Etc etc
Bruh can someone explain the science, of why it is that when you put a bunch of good players in a team , most of the time , the team ends up being trash ...
KD, Harden, Kyrie in Brooklyn were unstoppable they just didn’t play together for multiple reasons. Injuries and Kyrie’s vaccinations antics were the only reasons that didn’t workout not because theu didn’t figure in the court. Brooklyn was up 2-0 against the Bucks in 2021 but then Harden and Kyrie got injured and then still KD alone got them in game 7 being just inches away from winning that series
Many things. Mostly ego, injury and age
I live in the DMV, this is a Washington franchise specialty. They always over pay for guys that are B to B+ players when they should just restart and stop being middle of the pact. Should have traded Wall a year before the injury and Beal 3 years ago!
So KD, Harden, and Kyrie + scarps for a bench failed what makes them think KD, Booker, and Beal + scraps gonna do. Yes Ayton is lumped in with the scraps.
What this guy is not getting as far as the return is how impactful Beal's no-trade clause is. He was not going to approve a trade where the team he was going to gave up most of the team to give him....the Wizards were at Beal's mercy.
On the flipside, Washington wins either way because they are off the hook with paying a guy $200+M WITH a full no-trade clause. Also, they can just waive CP3. They can start from scratch and never make a decision like they did with Beal's no-trade again. They weren't winning anything with Beal as they can't attract Free Agents.
Phoenix can be the HUGE loser in this. If Beal is injured a lot and more specifically if they don't win a title, the Suns loook foolish for going after a "big ticket item" instead of building a solid team around the 2 stars on KD and Booker.
No trade clause man… Beal had control of where he went and Washington is stupid for giving it to him with the max…
I don't think the main point of the Beal trade was to get back some legendary haul, or even a great haul. The main point was just to offload the worst contract in the sport. Its an entirely new front office trying to clean up the mess that the last one left, and they're also reportedly taking calls on Kristaps, which spells a full-blown rebuild, something the franchise really needs. Your point about some team probably being able/wanting to offer more is valid for regular trades and literally everyone else in the league, but not Beal. Beal's NTC makes it so he can decline any trade, any time. I doubt he'd want to go somewhere he cannot contend, which is why only the Heat and Suns got real traction on a deal. It's not like the hornets could offer 3 FRPS and LaMelo and its as simple as the Wizards accepting it, because if beal doesnt want to go to Charlotte he can just say the word and the whole thing falls apart. The wizards had 2 options:
1) Offload beal for whatever they could get and start rebuilding
2) Continue to be in the middle of the first round of the draft (8 seed) until finally letting Beal walk in 5 years
The correct option is glaringly obvious. Thus, the wizards absolutely won the deal, even though they didn't get a whole lot back.
agree
Pheonix has 3 of the same type of players now lol
It appears that Phoenix and Miami were the only ones on Beals list that were actually interested in him back.
Miami were stalling, understandably holding out for Lillard.
The Wizards were probably concerned that the Suns would change their mind and/or go after Lillard too.
But quite simply even if Lillard never becomes available that either the Suns or the Heat realise there are better options out there for them to go after.
It is crazy to think that the Suns are ~$30m over the cap with just four players and only have one more under contract (Payne). They have no starting point guard and/or are going to have to play guy(s) out of position.
From the Wizards point of view it seems odd to not include another team to try and get a first. They don’t have their own 2024 pick.
This trade will not improve their roster the only thing Beal is better at doing is scoring which is what booker and Durant already do. Who is gonna defend or ball handle
I don’t think it’s very fair to criticize what Washington got in return for Beal when the trade had to be approved by Beal in order for it to go through. Why is he going to allow his new team to give up valuable assets when he doesn’t have to. What Washington really gets from this is the 2nd biggest contract in the NBA off their books, whatever they get in return for CP3 when they trade him, and a direction for their organization. I give them a B. It can’t be an A because you don’t get anything back that you’re super excited about, but a positive move for them for sure
I question whether or not you are thinking logically on this.
As far as Phx perspective, they were giving up a player that at best they hoped would re-sign at a vet min after getting waived and losing half his salary. The possibility of him just leaving and the Suns having to stretch the $15 mil over a number of yrs was high. They also wanted to get rid of Shamet. Most Suns fans wanted them to cut him during the regular season, so this was addition by subtraction. Do you actually see the Wizards finishing above the Suns in the next 4 yrs? That means the puck swaps mean nothing. The 2nd round picks are going to be late, and Ishbia will most likely try to buy some earlier ones in these yrs, so doesn’t mean anything. They also wouldn't have cap space if they waived CP3 either, so why not?
As far as the Wizards, you know they were over the barrel and basically had to get out from under that contract. You can't bottom out, and you can’t get cap space when you're ready to start competing and attracting FAs, if you're stuck in mediocrity with Beal's contract. Beal had all the power in this instance. He went where he wanted to go, and he made sure they didn’t gut their team for him, so he can compete for a title. Now, they can tank and start building correctly. They are probably targeting the '26 draft for their last bad yr and draft before their rise.the '26 draft has 3 projected studs available so far.
I think that the Suns are really going to regret these Durant and Beal trades in a couple of years. Going forward, they have no assets and no realistic ways of improving the roster outside of trading one of their core players. It's very possible they could be trading away multiple high lottery picks as a result of these trades.