Wizards fan here: this is the final nail in the coffin from Tommy Sheppard’s dull incompetence, and we just gotta move on. The return’s not great, but our new GM has been the #2 under Sam Presti with OKC and I trust him to draft well. Finally a new era and rebuild time after waiting my entire life for it.
As a Pacers fan, Ayton is one of the least wanted players for us. We absolutely DO NOT want him! He's been terrible while Myles had a career year and arguably for the first time in hjs career is playing the role he's meant to play, while the Pacers arguably has some of the best chemistry of any team. Everyone gets along, never any drama, everyone does what they're told to do and there's no ego. Ayton would throw a wrench in all of that just while also downgrading our center position. Really the only thing we'd get out of it is that he's a couple of years younger.
It’s funny how Casey comes up with so many Myles Turner trades. Pacers will never ever agree to trade Turner for Ayton (even less with McConnell included). They signed the offer sheet last offseason because they could have gotten Ayton “for free”, but that’s really it. There is no need to start a new Center project in Indy
Yeah i agree with you. That's an L trade by AM Hoops. Myles Turner alone is worth more than Ayton. Better defender and he can knock down the 3. Only reason he isn't an all star is cause he was playing behind Sabonis for so long. I'm not even a Pacers fan but it's pretty obvious that's a bad trade.
4 Max players, 0 defense and the rest minimum players. This is gonna be a spectacularly fun disaster to watch. But if Ayton is traded for 2 defensive minded role players, then Phoenix is suddenly scary. Let's see how it goes
@@ghostballs1874 Beal is 6'3, KD is 7ft but only 240lbs. Jokic ragdolls guys who are 6'3 and shoves and pushes 7fters away so he can shoot over them while barely jumping. Effin Even a guy like Grant Williams in 2022 annoyed KD so much with his physicality it almost shut him down.
The Suns need to improve their bench. They struggle during the playoffs and had to relay on Booker and KD to score most of the points. Yes, they added Beal but like it’s literally the three top scorers, Ayton, Cam Payne and the rest of the roster is determined on who they sign. Like they need a PG because neither Booker or Beal can’t play at that position. Also they brought a coach who’s mindset is defence.
Booker played PG a lot last year and Beal also played pretty good as PG while John Wall wasn't playing. Also, you don't need a "fixed PG" nowadays. Those days where PG is the primary facilitator is gone. You don't need a PG to waste precious time off the clock when you got 3 great scorers on your team.
What people don't understand about the trade is that the Suns basically have known they want to trade Ayton. And they knew they could get a few depth pieces for him, Chris Paul being old now and declining, was a huge problem...they literally got rid of that problem as far as them not getting back something for him...but then tada the Beal trade. It was very smart by the Suns to take advantage of having KD and Booker to convince Beal. It was a great trade. They were never going to get anything good elsewhere for CP3
@@kowaikokoro The Pacers want him. He's a good big actually. Not great, but also not easily replaced. He reminds me a lot of Boris Diaw. Gets rebounds, finishes with a smooth touch around the rim, but lacks fire and abandonment. Dude straight up has the frame and potential of David Robinson but has the mind of a mouse
@@joncolunga673 worst center contract in the league rivaling kitty kat who will be getting payed 40 something million while perfoming average how you paying ayton 30M and getting 18points and 10 rebounds those are nice roleplayer numbers i'd rather see jusef nurkic for myles turner or brook lopez over ayton ngl
IN MY OPINION. I think the media hate the trade except for Perkins because Denver won the Championship with only one star, border line all star number 2 and awesome depth. If Denver never won the Media will PREACH that Denver needed a second star or Jokic is not a number 1 option
That's a stretch. People and the media love the underdog stories so imo they actually prefer the story lines where the team without the star wins. but nuggets wasnt that. it was clear that they are the total favorite at every step against each team they played. Toronto basically had no star when they won, Kawhi certainly wasnt a Bron or even Kyrie type of star player then. Milwaukee had Giannis and the rest are good role players but not star. Media didnt hate that at all. Also, media is who votes the MVP and they voted for Jokic twice by a majority.
it does make sense for beal though, the only team that put out a fight against the champions was the suns. dont mind the blowout, the stars was just exhausted.
Booker was hurt in Game 6. Thats why he played horribly. He got hurt in Game 5. If you see him playing horribly all of a sudden, it's cause he's hurt and he doesnt want to say anything so that he can't play
How would they have gotten depth? Chris Paul and shamet have 0 trade value. DeAndre ayton has some but we still have ayton lol. I don't understand your point at all
Suns literally replaced CP3 with Beal without giving up much of anything. And people keep saying "depth" but they only lost 1 player anyway. Teams only play max 8 guys during the playoffs so it shouldn't matter much. Suns are not focusing on getting a good seed, they are focusing on winning the chip. Not that they will, but that's their focus, unlike the majority of the fans would think to "fill out the roster". That's not their approach.
Little and Nurkic actually isn't that bad. Little is an up-and-coming 3-&-D wing currently under the radar, a perfect fit for the Suns' needs. 3-&-D wings are the hardest to find in today's league and Nas Little is a diamond in the rough. Nurkic has been expanding his range, so he could provide the spacing that Ayton doesn't. With KD and Book getting so much attention, some extra spacing could be helpful. Nurkic admittedly doesn't do much but rebound on defense, but Biyombo has been very good on D in his time with the Suns, and he could easily absorb more minutes. Also finding a different cheap free agent center who can defend, screen, and dunk off the roll might not be too difficult, if Biyombo isn't their guy.
They're too small for Denver. Ayton assigned to Jokic. Durant to Porter Jr... Leaving Booker or Beal to guard Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon/MPJ are big problems to small ball lineups
Basically, it's the Sun's owner's way of saying he is coming for the Joker! Seeing the team that beats your team after being picked as the favorites, just won the championship and the very man that put you to the ground was named Finals MVP, Joker might have left him a really bad taste. 😂
@@svk_5104 I agree. Unfortunately they don't have the assets anymore to add any players so basically aside from their BIg 3 everyone is trash. MPJ and Gordon are niightmares for a small ball lineup, Joker will dominate them again just like what he did. 🙏
@@pirateking9206 That's not true there's plenty of players they will be adding Phoenix is a Hot spot now..A Contending team always draws good free agent players
Maxi is good a defense so this is key! Proof he’s a suns fan trying to justify this entire thing. Maxi separated his hamstring muscle from the bone. Dude was a shell and he’s not on the right side of 30.
When PHX matched Indy's offer Ayton couldn't be traded until 1/15/23, but also has a one year no-trade clause that allows Ayton to block any trade there after (cannot be traded to Indiana for one year).
suddendly everyone has a no trade clause even tho in the whole history of the NBA there were maybe 10 of them all together and the Beal one dont make no sense in the first place and is just the result of Beal gaming the previous GM in contract negotiations
@@bhumibolrushing7830 All I'm saying is that it is still not a bad trade especially if they trade Ayton, because they can trade Ayton for 2 or 3 rotational role players and maybe a 2nd rd pick. That can help the suns improve their depth. And yes, Ayton is worth 2 role players and a 2nd rd pick (maybe 2 2nd rd). Its a matter of which role players they want to have. But if they don't trade Ayton, then it's a bad trade.
I'm with you, This trade is VERY good. Payne is the better starting PG at this point than Paul & was able to drop CP3's contract issues. That is a GREAT starting 5, Payne will shine playing as a true PG. They can & WILL get free agents too, there's a million quality free agents out there. Idk how these "experts" don't see how much of a STEAL this is of a trade. Even if they do not trade Ayton, this is very likely the 2nd best team in the West, fighting for #1.
@@davepleaseknowbetter2840 yeah basically haha. But it'll be easier cause Ayton has more value in my opinion. Gotta give Pelinka credit though, he really finessed those assets and gave up relatively little
@@user-vb1zk6ny2v how are you gonna spike up ayton's trade value when its at the bottom, guy pouts on the bench and trows an fit at his coach, mr dominayton but gets outplayed by jokic every single game 😂
I think you're wrong. The primary reason the Wizards didn't get more for Beal isn't "because he had a no trade clause". It's obviously because Beal makes too much money for most teams to even think about adding him to their roster. Beal's a player any team would love to have, but to take on the 200+ Million remaining on a contract, most teams would want a player who is younger or has well proven that they're capable of carrying a winning franchise, especially with the new CBA looming.
@@bhumibolrushing7830true the only thing I believe now is won when he has breaking news. Fuck to the point where if he said simmons can shoot threes I’d believe it cuz he is the only reliable source in these news. Fuck the rumors.
If Ayton looks like he actually wants to play basketball or they somehow turn him into a good supporting cast they are my favs for sure. (assuming no injuries)
No one talking about how the suns also got a great perimeter defender in jordan Goodwin. They were gonna be screwed either way. At least the gave up their 38 year old point guard for a 29 year old all star and an excellent defender.
@@RomnysGonzalez nah, suns dug themselves a grave when it got out that they were gonna waive him. The clippers were gonna sign him for the minimum this off season.
I like the trade because when the rules kick in they will be over the lines and they will be able to properly scrutinise how they work. Others will try to avoid crossing the lines and wonder how close to boundaries they can get. Sun's may find something or just hurt themselves doesn't matter its business its what you swim in
@@chanceberg832 you still need depth coming off the bench. If they don’t get solid players to come off the bench, they’re still gonna get dominated in the playoffs. That’s why they just lost this year, no depth. Yes, Beale is an improvement on the scoring over CP3 but if Beale was on this years Suns, they still don’t make the WCF or Finals
i put data from raptor and epm into Chatgpt and asked it what type of player the suns should get : it cuts of 2021 so i jsut asked for exaple players and why: Certainly, given the current NBA landscape (as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021), here are some examples of players who might fit the Suns' needs: Offensive Contributor: Karl-Anthony Towns: Known for his offensive versatility as a center, Towns could provide scoring, shooting, and playmaking from the center position. His defensive impact has been a subject of debate, but his offensive contributions could significantly enhance the Suns' performance. Bradley Beal: If the Suns are looking for more perimeter scoring, Beal is one of the top shooting guards in the league when it comes to offensive production. His ability to score in bunches could take some pressure off Booker and Durant. Defensive Big Man: Myles Turner: Known for his shot-blocking abilities, Turner would add a solid defensive presence in the paint. In addition, he can also spread the floor on offense with his three-point shooting. Rudy Gobert: Known as one of the best defensive players in the NBA, Gobert's presence would significantly bolster the Suns' interior defense. However, his limited offensive game might not fit the Suns' need for more scoring. Better Bench Performance: Derrick Rose: Rose has had success leading the second unit with the New York Knicks, providing scoring and playmaking off the bench. Joe Ingles: Known for his solid play on both ends of the court, Ingles could provide a boost to the Suns' bench. His playmaking, scoring ability, and solid defense could be beneficial in a bench role.
About Ayton…. 10000000% the point you made about his goal in the nba being “get to my second contract” as a suns fan when I heard that I had a bad feeling. Especially compared to luka’s answer… “become an NBA champion and MVP”
I think people aren't putting enough emphasis on how badly the suns fleeced the wizards. I'm guessing they're gonna trade Ayton for depth and will be fine next season.
Wizards dumped a 50 mill a year contract on an above average shooter and average defender who can iso ... now the suns have 3 contracts no one else in the nba would touch ... this is a 4-6 seed in the west who can feast and bad teams with their talent and get feasted on by good teams with a squad of decent nba players and an average bench ... and oh yeah... Bradley Beal hasn't played more than 60 games in the last three seasons. ... so what happens when these guys go down to injury ....d and g league players
@@vlverm7096 thank you. People saying the Wizards got fleeced are ignorant. They weren’t winning with Beale anyway and he’s been injury prone the last few years. The Wizards were able to dump that contract and can focus on rebuilding. People acting like the Wizards were gonna be contenders or something next year with Beale😂😂😂
@@svk_5104 it could be the 2nd coming of that NY Mavs deal, when the mavs traded away half their roster to get Porzingis. Turns out, if something is too good to be true, it aint true.
I get that Beal had a no trade clause on his contract, but it's the Wizard's fault for giving him such a contract, IDK what the Wizards do. Everyone and their mother knew that there were better trade options. Wizards fans I'm sorry, but I don't expect to see your team in the playoffs for years to come.
A good analysis. It would, however, been insightful also to look at the new rules on the luxury tax for salaries. If I remember correctly, it’s going to be impossible to have three large contracts on one team. That is, you can only have two players who make more than $40 million/year. If this starts in ‘24, which I think it does, than the Suns have one year to win a championship with these three players. In other words, the new rule on luxury tax means that one of the players, of the three, has to be traded at the start of the ‘24 season.
They've already added Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd, but people are too busy focusing on Beal. The Suns gained three and not one player from the trade. Theyre working on the depth. Well see what everything looks like once they're done with the roster
Big threes work if the players compliment eachother lets be real this trio does not kd and book dont compliment eachother and beal plays just like them
How do You figure That...The Suns were needing another player that could hit 3s against the nuggets and open the floor..Book has turned into a good passing gaurd and plays defense...KD is a good Defensive player...This Beal opens up a lot of Stuff
@@chanceberg832 role players can hit threes if they wanted to go the big three route draymond green would have been a much better option the other two score he facilitates defends and grabs boards. If one of your stars games must be sacrificed to fit into the big three you're not maximizing the talent at all and if you lack depth it can't be compensated else where
You’re the first person that’s put the trade in perspective, it’s not that much the suns lost. From what you’re saying it’s actually kind of smart for the suns. They wanted to unload CP3 for Beal and all they included was one role player
Oh no Buddy. This isnt just any role player. He was Monty's pet and Suns fans most disliked player on the roster. If "Killing two birds with one stone" were people, this would be the perfect scenario
Folks acting as if the Suns are like "We got Beal, job done"! The Suns front office understands there's a lot more work to be done, and doesn't make this trade if they believe they can't build a supporting cast around Beal, KD, & Book.
How? you can trade your young starting center for 2 decent role-players. That`s it. Not enough. KD will be 35, is on a decline and injury prone. Beal has a horrible contract, which will hurt them in the future massively and is injury prone. No depth/defense, no picks. Suns are done. gg wp
@@antifaschi7869 how can You not know? this owner said he was gonna spend over the luxury tax the next few years.He brought in 4 new Coaches.And is building a full team
@@chanceberg832 This new owner is horrible and destroying the future. If you really think, that`s a good idea to give away your whole picks and depth in order to get injury prone stars, who are on the decline and have horrible contracts and you dont even have a decent chance to win the title,,,not sure what to say. As if they had increased their chance to beat Denver f.e. by doing this.😂 Yes...he is impatient and goes all-in. But look at the roster. Not like this.
@@antifaschi7869 How... HTF should I know?!? I don't have insider knowledge/NBA connects and I don't pretend to know things I don't. Folks that have real relationships with NBA organizations don't even know what their final roster will look like nor the path to get there. Yes, they currently lack depth/defense. Depth would be an issue for any team with only 8 players currently under contract. You argue that KD is old/on the decline, Beal's contract being an issue down the road, and then chastise Ishbia for being impatient. Ishbia doesn't appear to be worried about what's going to happen 3-4 years down the road. The window of opportunity is now and is already narrow, time is of the essence.
Casey, you are wrong about the fact that they can rebuild by trading Booker in 3 years and getting back as you say "a gigantic package". The new rules say you can trade a max contract ONLY with a max contract, not draft picks and players like it was before.
Everyone needs to understand that The Suns were limited regardless in their cap situation yall really think the Suns were gonna be able to assemble this god squad bench if they had kept, waived chris paul or traded for scraps with him…The Suns were gonna go over the apron anyway so why not do that with a much better player than chris paul…
Sensible Suns fans: we have lots of creation espcially from mid range, now we need to get defensive role players. Suns office: we present to you Beal...sure he's a kinda a Booker-type and literally operates in the same spaces but...enjoy Me: you had one job Suns🤦🏿
I'm a Spurs fan living in the DC metro area so I go to a lot of Wizards games, so this trade sucks for me since the wizards, while not good, were also a team that could compete with any team out there, they just lost most of the time. If they lose Kuzma and Porzingis, they lose the best players to watch. God I hope Porzingis stays, we love him. That being said they are going to tank so he's likely gone either way.
I understand our FO is new and we needed to get out of Beals contract, but man it is just so tough being a jizzards fan. 11 years and we trade him for peanuts on the dollar
Ppl don’t understand that players are assets. Good players like Beal gives you more options both on the floor and trade options. Good teams also attract good players. Good move for Suns.
the suns are not a good team if you ask me, just like Minnessota is not, Portland is not, the Hornets are not etc. While Miami is a good team and before Jimmy came, nobody wanted to come to us because nobody wants to put in the work required to play for a team like ours and rather go to the Timberwolves to leech off money without getting any real results. Bigger and better is never as enticing as shitloads of free money to be a perrenial scrub
People don’t understand that while Beal or KD or Booker decide to take over, they also give each other a chance to rest and focus on defense. They could literally take plays off on offense. That’s crazy
Doubt Phoenix is concerned about media hate. It was lose Chris Paul for nothing and fill out the roster with minimum contracts, or trade Chris Paul for Brad Beal... and fill out the roster with minimum contracts. Obvious choice.
Beal is good addition I will admit that with KD and D Book but it too early too say he good fit right now cash we need to see them all stay healthy if they wanna win. And is he really better than CP3? They still need to add depth to the bench. They need to trade DA for real.
Your absolutely correct bro..beal is matured enough ..he wil fit to the phoenix suns ..suns need a player with kamikaze move ..driving inside with power.and passing skills..
I loved the second contract when it first came out. I thought it was a humble take for a player that was obviously good enough to have a second contract in the NBA. I do see the problematic intentions of the comment now but I think that this perspective could be taken out of context
personally thought that Miami would make a push since going for Daime would cost them a lot more. Like to me, centering a trade around Herro wouldn't be enough
or maybe we are smart enough to understand that neither will solve our problems and help us get over Denver or LaL in the next finals. We lost 2 finals by beeing to small of a team, not by lacking scoring, so what we must adress is height and strenght above scoring
Milwaukee is the best spot for Beal. He made a mistake if he wants a ring. The funniest part about this move is that he owner of the Bullets has always wanted Durant and loved Beal. The team he always wanted is in the desert.
And now the suns have Jordan Goodwin, Eric Gordon, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates Diop, Drew Eubanks, Bol Bol, and Chimezie Metu. They have depth. and they're probably not done yet they have 2 trade exceptions they can trade for players and attach 2nd round picks to get more depth if need be.
Having watched Ayton for years, he is very good, closing in on stud status with his potential among the top 5 Suns Centers, but he is mentally soft. Maybe age and a change in scenery will help, but these create major issues when the Suns needed him most. He is not small, in good shape, but gets tossed around like a doll with other bigs. The Durant trade last year did not have time to cure and you saw fluidity issues, yet they still were the most competitive against the Nuggets, and had Ayton stepped up, could have taken the Championship.
I’m not sure that this is the best fit for Bradley Beal or the Suns. The Suns have a “Big Three”, but all three of them are score first players. That typically doesn’t have a great track record(look at Brooklyn).
So as a Miami fan, i disagree. It is obvious after 2 lost finals that what we need is size and a dependable center that can stretch the floor. For those that were not watching the finals games, that is why we lost both vs Denver and Lakers. As much as i'd love Beal or Dame, realistically those guys will not help us get there. Meanwhile, a certain Valanciunas is a good option, Vuč (granted he did not have a great season but i believe in Miami he would have a rebirth) is a free agent, Kristaps could be an option if healthy, and there are other players that would fit us nicely at the center position and that is a much bigger need than a third star.
If it was true that the no trade clause was that important they could have just let Beal sit or even play for this team all year. Unlikely his value could have fallen much more than this. So obviously they were just doing right by their player.
Wizards fan here: this is the final nail in the coffin from Tommy Sheppard’s dull incompetence, and we just gotta move on. The return’s not great, but our new GM has been the #2 under Sam Presti with OKC and I trust him to draft well. Finally a new era and rebuild time after waiting my entire life for it.
agree, a fresh start is happening and I'm down for it. They should have kept rui though.
Porzingis gotta go as well
@@dtsectwho would take him? 😅 The Wizards and Kicks were purgatory for years and he's been to both places already
You may even get a decent return for Chris Paul, I doubt he stays with washington
Oh really? I didn’t know that GM worked under Presti. Hopefully the Wizards become better.
this video aged like milk
Bro literally traded some pepperoni on a pizza and some sause for more pepperoni 💀
Good metaphor 👍
@@koalaslibary6359 I can’t tell if ur being sarcastic or not 😂
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If only you could spell sauce
People have no idea how good Beal really is he should of been an all star every year
HE SUCKS
This vid and every comment here praising Beal aged like milk LOL
As a Pacers fan, Ayton is one of the least wanted players for us. We absolutely DO NOT want him! He's been terrible while Myles had a career year and arguably for the first time in hjs career is playing the role he's meant to play, while the Pacers arguably has some of the best chemistry of any team. Everyone gets along, never any drama, everyone does what they're told to do and there's no ego. Ayton would throw a wrench in all of that just while also downgrading our center position. Really the only thing we'd get out of it is that he's a couple of years younger.
You guys figure out what you want
You guys will continue to be irrelevant with or without Ayton, that's all that really matters.
It’s funny how Casey comes up with so many Myles Turner trades. Pacers will never ever agree to trade Turner for Ayton (even less with McConnell included). They signed the offer sheet last offseason because they could have gotten Ayton “for free”, but that’s really it. There is no need to start a new Center project in Indy
Yeah i agree with you. That's an L trade by AM Hoops. Myles Turner alone is worth more than Ayton. Better defender and he can knock down the 3. Only reason he isn't an all star is cause he was playing behind Sabonis for so long. I'm not even a Pacers fan but it's pretty obvious that's a bad trade.
The only thing stopping the Pacers last season was health
4 Max players, 0 defense and the rest minimum players. This is gonna be a spectacularly fun disaster to watch. But if Ayton is traded for 2 defensive minded role players, then Phoenix is suddenly scary. Let's see how it goes
Booker Beal and KD are decent defenders though. KD is a elite help defender and book is above average.
@@ghostballs1874 And Every year DBook has grown better on D
@@chanceberg832 they dont watch suns basketball they dont know the secrets
@@ghostballs1874 Beal is 6'3, KD is 7ft but only 240lbs. Jokic ragdolls guys who are 6'3 and shoves and pushes 7fters away so he can shoot over them while barely jumping. Effin Even a guy like Grant Williams in 2022 annoyed KD so much with his physicality it almost shut him down.
@@ghostballs1874they tried hiding Booker on defense
The Suns need to improve their bench. They struggle during the playoffs and had to relay on Booker and KD to score most of the points. Yes, they added Beal but like it’s literally the three top scorers, Ayton, Cam Payne and the rest of the roster is determined on who they sign. Like they need a PG because neither Booker or Beal can’t play at that position. Also they brought a coach who’s mindset is defence.
No need depth when 90% of the ball is gonna be in KD and Brooker hand, they not gonna share ball
Playoffs is just mainly: Switch to worst defender, iso ball, get doubled, kick to open shooter. Do you really need a pg down the stretch nowadays?
Booker will be a good PG
Booker played a shit ton of point guard last year what are you talking about?
Booker played PG a lot last year and Beal also played pretty good as PG while John Wall wasn't playing. Also, you don't need a "fixed PG" nowadays. Those days where PG is the primary facilitator is gone. You don't need a PG to waste precious time off the clock when you got 3 great scorers on your team.
What people don't understand about the trade is that the Suns basically have known they want to trade Ayton. And they knew they could get a few depth pieces for him, Chris Paul being old now and declining, was a huge problem...they literally got rid of that problem as far as them not getting back something for him...but then tada the Beal trade. It was very smart by the Suns to take advantage of having KD and Booker to convince Beal. It was a great trade. They were never going to get anything good elsewhere for CP3
who wants ayton tho? he young but isnt that man deemed ''damaged goods'' that lacks motor or energy after not getting the ball on offense
I think they got rid of CP because a) old and always hurt and b)way too expensive contract at 15 mill guaranteed for a year.
Yes
@@kowaikokoro The Pacers want him. He's a good big actually. Not great, but also not easily replaced. He reminds me a lot of Boris Diaw. Gets rebounds, finishes with a smooth touch around the rim, but lacks fire and abandonment. Dude straight up has the frame and potential of David Robinson but has the mind of a mouse
@@joncolunga673 worst center contract in the league rivaling kitty kat who will be getting payed 40 something million while perfoming average how you paying ayton 30M and getting 18points and 10 rebounds those are nice roleplayer numbers
i'd rather see jusef nurkic for myles turner or brook lopez over ayton ngl
You can't deny Tosh 3.0 definitely knows his stuff.
IN MY OPINION. I think the media hate the trade except for Perkins because Denver won the Championship with only one star, border line all star number 2 and awesome depth. If Denver never won the Media will PREACH that Denver needed a second star or Jokic is not a number 1 option
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Murray is a star.
@@lowelliswell right because they got Sweapt without him
That's a stretch. People and the media love the underdog stories so imo they actually prefer the story lines where the team without the star wins. but nuggets wasnt that. it was clear that they are the total favorite at every step against each team they played. Toronto basically had no star when they won, Kawhi certainly wasnt a Bron or even Kyrie type of star player then. Milwaukee had Giannis and the rest are good role players but not star. Media didnt hate that at all. Also, media is who votes the MVP and they voted for Jokic twice by a majority.
@@maxmeier532 that's a terrible take. Kawhi has been a superstar since his last few years on the spurs.
it does make sense for beal though, the only team that put out a fight against the champions was the suns. dont mind the blowout, the stars was just exhausted.
Booker was hurt in Game 6. Thats why he played horribly. He got hurt in Game 5. If you see him playing horribly all of a sudden, it's cause he's hurt and he doesnt want to say anything so that he can't play
The Suns: we need depth and a bench
The front office:Let’s trade for Bradley Beal
Swap Chris Paul and a couple pick swaps for Bradly Beal? They had to take that, lol. Just a gift.
How would they have gotten depth? Chris Paul and shamet have 0 trade value. DeAndre ayton has some but we still have ayton lol. I don't understand your point at all
Suns literally replaced CP3 with Beal without giving up much of anything. And people keep saying "depth" but they only lost 1 player anyway. Teams only play max 8 guys during the playoffs so it shouldn't matter much. Suns are not focusing on getting a good seed, they are focusing on winning the chip. Not that they will, but that's their focus, unlike the majority of the fans would think to "fill out the roster". That's not their approach.
@@dtsect They also got Goodwin back as well and he is a solid bench player, especially on defense.
@@texchu8331 it's one of those things where you know you don't need it, but it's such a good deal that you can't pass it up.
Little and Nurkic actually isn't that bad. Little is an up-and-coming 3-&-D wing currently under the radar, a perfect fit for the Suns' needs. 3-&-D wings are the hardest to find in today's league and Nas Little is a diamond in the rough. Nurkic has been expanding his range, so he could provide the spacing that Ayton doesn't. With KD and Book getting so much attention, some extra spacing could be helpful. Nurkic admittedly doesn't do much but rebound on defense, but Biyombo has been very good on D in his time with the Suns, and he could easily absorb more minutes. Also finding a different cheap free agent center who can defend, screen, and dunk off the roll might not be too difficult, if Biyombo isn't their guy.
Bro predicted reality
They're too small for Denver. Ayton assigned to Jokic. Durant to Porter Jr... Leaving Booker or Beal to guard Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon/MPJ are big problems to small ball lineups
Bro you haven’t even seen the final rosters yet what are you even talking about
suns are trading ayton for sure they're not done making moves
Especially Aaron Gordon, he’s a beast and should’ve won FMVP
They aren’t done getting players yet
Lmao just wait we’re not done yet👀
People dont realize how good Beal is....who watches washington?
Nobody
People know, they just doubt the fit
He's a good offensive player, but can 4 players and a weak bench help them win a chip? Nooooope.
I don’t watch Washington but I know how good he is on offense
@@Rogue_Centurion when Wall was out,Beal carried the team
Basically, it's the Sun's owner's way of saying he is coming for the Joker! Seeing the team that beats your team after being picked as the favorites, just won the championship and the very man that put you to the ground was named Finals MVP, Joker might have left him a really bad taste. 😂
Well unless they add some good role players with size and length, Jokic and Denver are gonna dominate em again lol.
@@svk_5104 I agree. Unfortunately they don't have the assets anymore to add any players so basically aside from their BIg 3 everyone is trash. MPJ and Gordon are niightmares for a small ball lineup, Joker will dominate them again just like what he did. 🙏
@@pirateking9206 That's not true there's plenty of players they will be adding Phoenix is a Hot spot now..A Contending team always draws good free agent players
@@chanceberg832then why aren’t they flocking to Denver
Maxi is good a defense so this is key! Proof he’s a suns fan trying to justify this entire thing. Maxi separated his hamstring muscle from the bone. Dude was a shell and he’s not on the right side of 30.
When PHX matched Indy's offer Ayton couldn't be traded until 1/15/23, but also has a one year no-trade clause that allows Ayton to block any trade there after (cannot be traded to Indiana for one year).
suddendly everyone has a no trade clause even tho in the whole history of the NBA there were maybe 10 of them all together and the Beal one dont make no sense in the first place and is just the result of Beal gaming the previous GM in contract negotiations
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The thing that most fans don't understand, they got Beal without trading Ayton. Now the main focus of the suns should be trading Ayton for depth.
We understand it perfectly lol but ayton is not worth that much
@@bhumibolrushing7830 All I'm saying is that it is still not a bad trade especially if they trade Ayton, because they can trade Ayton for 2 or 3 rotational role players and maybe a 2nd rd pick. That can help the suns improve their depth. And yes, Ayton is worth 2 role players and a 2nd rd pick (maybe 2 2nd rd). Its a matter of which role players they want to have.
But if they don't trade Ayton, then it's a bad trade.
I'm with you, This trade is VERY good. Payne is the better starting PG at this point than Paul & was able to drop CP3's contract issues. That is a GREAT starting 5, Payne will shine playing as a true PG. They can & WILL get free agents too, there's a million quality free agents out there. Idk how these "experts" don't see how much of a STEAL this is of a trade. Even if they do not trade Ayton, this is very likely the 2nd best team in the West, fighting for #1.
Don’t underestimate Sacramento. They are a young team on the rise.
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I think this is just the start though. They'll probably try to boost Ayton's value and ship him off for some depth mid season or at the deadline
So basically try to do what the Lakers did with Westbrook last season
@@davepleaseknowbetter2840 yeah basically haha. But it'll be easier cause Ayton has more value in my opinion. Gotta give Pelinka credit though, he really finessed those assets and gave up relatively little
They will likely get fleeced tho. Now everyone knows how desperate they are to move ayton and they aren’t in the best position to negotiate.
@@user-vb1zk6ny2v how are you gonna spike up ayton's trade value when its at the bottom, guy pouts on the bench and trows an fit at his coach, mr dominayton but gets outplayed by jokic every single game 😂
@@kowaikokoro because no matter what he's a top 10 center Every single year with 18 points 10 rebounds
Thank you for this video. As a Suns fan I feel so much better now.
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The trade will make Sun's worse and I am so happy right now.
@@nikolayjerev9285 lol same😂
Can’t wait to hear the excuses next season when they inevitably lose in the playoffs
@@nikolayjerev9285same
I think you're wrong. The primary reason the Wizards didn't get more for Beal isn't "because he had a no trade clause". It's obviously because Beal makes too much money for most teams to even think about adding him to their roster. Beal's a player any team would love to have, but to take on the 200+ Million remaining on a contract, most teams would want a player who is younger or has well proven that they're capable of carrying a winning franchise, especially with the new CBA looming.
But the reports say that there were other offers on the table, and that's more believable than you stating your personal unbased opinion.
@@maxmeier532 lmfao
@@maxmeier532'm not so sure about that..journalist's report bs and lies all the time.
@@bhumibolrushing7830true the only thing I believe now is won when he has breaking news. Fuck to the point where if he said simmons can shoot threes I’d believe it cuz he is the only reliable source in these news. Fuck the rumors.
You hit it right on the 🎯
Would love the trade with the Pacers If they added one more player to the mix for Ayton.
Thanks for finally putting some sense into this debate
The Suns spent so much time wondering if they could they never stopped to ponder if they should.
Bradley Beal is an All-Star caliber player, but Beal, Booker, and KD on the same team doesn't make sense to me
Cause it doesn’t make sense at all. They won’t win next season with this line up, soooo yes they shoulda thought about the future instead.
We literally got a steal
@@adamdavis5383 We'll see when season comes, all three player play similar roles and they don't even have a good passer on the team anymore
@@XBC30 I mean they all averaged 5 assists a game. We’ll be fine.
@@XBC30 Devin Booker is a good passer and plays Defense too
Depends what other moves they do the rest of the summer. They need to send ayton and get more depth
If Ayton looks like he actually wants to play basketball or they somehow turn him into a good supporting cast they are my favs for sure. (assuming no injuries)
This worked out horrifically for your take
No one talking about how the suns also got a great perimeter defender in jordan Goodwin. They were gonna be screwed either way. At least the gave up their 38 year old point guard for a 29 year old all star and an excellent defender.
They could have traded CP3 to LAC for role players and open slot on Salary
@@RomnysGonzalez nah, suns dug themselves a grave when it got out that they were gonna waive him. The clippers were gonna sign him for the minimum this off season.
goodwin is 6'2.
@@maxmeier532 he’s 6’3 with a 6’10 wingspan but what’s ur point?
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Finally, someone can actually grasp the whole picture of this trade.
I like the trade because when the rules kick in they will be over the lines and they will be able to properly scrutinise how they work. Others will try to avoid crossing the lines and wonder how close to boundaries they can get. Sun's may find something or just hurt themselves doesn't matter its business its what you swim in
exactly.
Beal actually ADDS DEPTH... because now 1 or 2 of the big 3 can play AT ALL TIMES... this is called depth. As for D.. that will be addressed.. watch
But if the players subbing in for them are trash, it doesn’t actually add any depth
@@svk_5104 That's why There's something called different rotations
@@chanceberg832 you still need depth coming off the bench. If they don’t get solid players to come off the bench, they’re still gonna get dominated in the playoffs. That’s why they just lost this year, no depth. Yes, Beale is an improvement on the scoring over CP3 but if Beale was on this years Suns, they still don’t make the WCF or Finals
lmao, all that depth and defense
@@howdareyouexist😂
i put data from raptor and epm into Chatgpt and asked it what type of player the suns should get : it cuts of 2021 so i jsut asked for exaple players and why:
Certainly, given the current NBA landscape (as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021), here are some examples of players who might fit the Suns' needs:
Offensive Contributor:
Karl-Anthony Towns: Known for his offensive versatility as a center, Towns could provide scoring, shooting, and playmaking from the center position. His defensive impact has been a subject of debate, but his offensive contributions could significantly enhance the Suns' performance.
Bradley Beal: If the Suns are looking for more perimeter scoring, Beal is one of the top shooting guards in the league when it comes to offensive production. His ability to score in bunches could take some pressure off Booker and Durant.
Defensive Big Man:
Myles Turner: Known for his shot-blocking abilities, Turner would add a solid defensive presence in the paint. In addition, he can also spread the floor on offense with his three-point shooting.
Rudy Gobert: Known as one of the best defensive players in the NBA, Gobert's presence would significantly bolster the Suns' interior defense. However, his limited offensive game might not fit the Suns' need for more scoring.
Better Bench Performance:
Derrick Rose: Rose has had success leading the second unit with the New York Knicks, providing scoring and playmaking off the bench.
Joe Ingles: Known for his solid play on both ends of the court, Ingles could provide a boost to the Suns' bench. His playmaking, scoring ability, and solid defense could be beneficial in a bench role.
About Ayton…. 10000000% the point you made about his goal in the nba being “get to my second contract” as a suns fan when I heard that I had a bad feeling. Especially compared to luka’s answer… “become an NBA champion and MVP”
I think people aren't putting enough emphasis on how badly the suns fleeced the wizards. I'm guessing they're gonna trade Ayton for depth and will be fine next season.
Wizards dumped a 50 mill a year contract on an above average shooter and average defender who can iso ... now the suns have 3 contracts no one else in the nba would touch ... this is a 4-6 seed in the west who can feast and bad teams with their talent and get feasted on by good teams with a squad of decent nba players and an average bench ... and oh yeah... Bradley Beal hasn't played more than 60 games in the last three seasons. ... so what happens when these guys go down to injury ....d and g league players
@@vlverm7096 u dont need an insane bench to win a championship the suns will likely trade ayton for depth
They trade Ayton for a couple good role players they'll be dangerous.
@@vlverm7096 thank you. People saying the Wizards got fleeced are ignorant. They weren’t winning with Beale anyway and he’s been injury prone the last few years. The Wizards were able to dump that contract and can focus on rebuilding. People acting like the Wizards were gonna be contenders or something next year with Beale😂😂😂
@@svk_5104 it could be the 2nd coming of that NY Mavs deal, when the mavs traded away half their roster to get Porzingis. Turns out, if something is too good to be true, it aint true.
I get that Beal had a no trade clause on his contract, but it's the Wizard's fault for giving him such a contract, IDK what the Wizards do. Everyone and their mother knew that there were better trade options. Wizards fans I'm sorry, but I don't expect to see your team in the playoffs for years to come.
There going full rebuild and Beal only wanted to go to PHOENIX
@@chanceberg832 Did you not read what I wrote?
A good analysis. It would, however, been insightful also to look at the new rules on the luxury tax for salaries. If I remember correctly, it’s going to be impossible to have three large contracts on one team. That is, you can only have two players who make more than $40 million/year. If this starts in ‘24, which I think it does, than the Suns have one year to win a championship with these three players. In other words, the new rule on luxury tax means that one of the players, of the three, has to be traded at the start of the ‘24 season.
This is incorrect
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If they can actually add some depth and stay healthy , they’re gonna be scary
They've already added Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd, but people are too busy focusing on Beal. The Suns gained three and not one player from the trade. Theyre working on the depth. Well see what everything looks like once they're done with the roster
@@tashied422these are buttom of the bench players dude can get points on a bad wizards team lol
Big threes work if the players compliment eachother lets be real this trio does not kd and book dont compliment eachother and beal plays just like them
How do You figure That...The Suns were needing another player that could hit 3s against the nuggets and open the floor..Book has turned into a good passing gaurd and plays defense...KD is a good Defensive player...This Beal opens up a lot of Stuff
@@chanceberg832 role players can hit threes if they wanted to go the big three route draymond green would have been a much better option the other two score he facilitates defends and grabs boards. If one of your stars games must be sacrificed to fit into the big three you're not maximizing the talent at all and if you lack depth it can't be compensated else where
You’re the first person that’s put the trade in perspective, it’s not that much the suns lost. From what you’re saying it’s actually kind of smart for the suns. They wanted to unload CP3 for Beal and all they included was one role player
Oh no Buddy. This isnt just any role player. He was Monty's pet and Suns fans most disliked player on the roster. If "Killing two birds with one stone" were people, this would be the perfect scenario
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the trade aint looking very good now
Folks acting as if the Suns are like "We got Beal, job done"! The Suns front office understands there's a lot more work to be done, and doesn't make this trade if they believe they can't build a supporting cast around Beal, KD, & Book.
How? you can trade your young starting center for 2 decent role-players. That`s it. Not enough. KD will be 35, is on a decline and injury prone. Beal has a horrible contract, which will hurt them in the future massively and is injury prone. No depth/defense, no picks. Suns are done. gg wp
@@antifaschi7869 how can You not know? this owner said he was gonna spend over the luxury tax the next few years.He brought in 4 new Coaches.And is building a full team
@@chanceberg832 This new owner is horrible and destroying the future. If you really think, that`s a good idea to give away your whole picks and depth in order to get injury prone stars, who are on the decline and have horrible contracts and you dont even have a decent chance to win the title,,,not sure what to say. As if they had increased their chance to beat Denver f.e. by doing this.😂 Yes...he is impatient and goes all-in. But look at the roster. Not like this.
@@antifaschi7869 How... HTF should I know?!? I don't have insider knowledge/NBA connects and I don't pretend to know things I don't. Folks that have real relationships with NBA organizations don't even know what their final roster will look like nor the path to get there. Yes, they currently lack depth/defense. Depth would be an issue for any team with only 8 players currently under contract. You argue that KD is old/on the decline, Beal's contract being an issue down the road, and then chastise Ishbia for being impatient. Ishbia doesn't appear to be worried about what's going to happen 3-4 years down the road. The window of opportunity is now and is already narrow, time is of the essence.
Casey, you are wrong about the fact that they can rebuild by trading Booker in 3 years and getting back as you say "a gigantic package".
The new rules say you can trade a max contract ONLY with a max contract, not draft picks and players like it was before.
Finally somebody with some common sense covering this trade.
He’s a suns fan so no common sense. It’s called fan bias
And they just got swept
Anddddd, the Suns Just Got Swept
A++++ trade for the Suns- they are going for it and Beal is an upgrade over CP3 @ this point in their careers- best case scenario for Suns
Everyone needs to understand that The Suns were limited regardless in their cap situation yall really think the Suns were gonna be able to assemble this god squad bench if they had kept, waived chris paul or traded for scraps with him…The Suns were gonna go over the apron anyway so why not do that with a much better player than chris paul…
Spot on, Beal was horrible.
Sensible Suns fans: we have lots of creation espcially from mid range, now we need to get defensive role players.
Suns office: we present to you Beal...sure he's a kinda a Booker-type and literally operates in the same spaces but...enjoy
Me: you had one job Suns🤦🏿
Better than waisting 40 mill on cp3 to only be injured and a garbage Shemet
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I'm a Spurs fan living in the DC metro area so I go to a lot of Wizards games, so this trade sucks for me since the wizards, while not good, were also a team that could compete with any team out there, they just lost most of the time. If they lose Kuzma and Porzingis, they lose the best players to watch. God I hope Porzingis stays, we love him. That being said they are going to tank so he's likely gone either way.
Beal did a good job in todays playoff
I understand our FO is new and we needed to get out of Beals contract, but man it is just so tough being a jizzards fan. 11 years and we trade him for peanuts on the dollar
Ppl don’t understand that players are assets. Good players like Beal gives you more options both on the floor and trade options. Good teams also attract good players. Good move for Suns.
the suns are not a good team if you ask me, just like Minnessota is not, Portland is not, the Hornets are not etc. While Miami is a good team and before Jimmy came, nobody wanted to come to us because nobody wants to put in the work required to play for a team like ours and rather go to the Timberwolves to leech off money without getting any real results. Bigger and better is never as enticing as shitloads of free money to be a perrenial scrub
People don’t understand that while Beal or KD or Booker decide to take over, they also give each other a chance to rest and focus on defense. They could literally take plays off on offense. That’s crazy
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Casey couldn't the suns also get Jonathan Issac for cheep assuming he gets cut which is a big assumption
I'd love to hear an update
Durant "Come play with me and get a ring". When has that happened?
Draymond "Come play with me and get a ring."
Doubt Phoenix is concerned about media hate. It was lose Chris Paul for nothing and fill out the roster with minimum contracts, or trade Chris Paul for Brad Beal... and fill out the roster with minimum contracts. Obvious choice.
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Beal is good addition I will admit that with KD and D Book but it too early too say he good fit right now cash we need to see them all stay healthy if they wanna win. And is he really better than CP3? They still need to add depth to the bench. They need to trade DA for real.
Excellent breakdown!
Why are you speaking more wisdom than anybody on ESPN
Your absolutely correct bro..beal is matured enough ..he wil fit to the phoenix suns ..suns need a player with kamikaze move ..driving inside with power.and passing skills..
I loved the second contract when it first came out. I thought it was a humble take for a player that was obviously good enough to have a second contract in the NBA. I do see the problematic intentions of the comment now but I think that this perspective could be taken out of context
I hope this is a good fit for the suns
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Blazers offer kinda good nurkic a decent bigman with good passing skill but i dunno how healthy he was .
personally thought that Miami would make a push since going for Daime would cost them a lot more.
Like to me, centering a trade around Herro wouldn't be enough
or maybe we are smart enough to understand that neither will solve our problems and help us get over Denver or LaL in the next finals. We lost 2 finals by beeing to small of a team, not by lacking scoring, so what we must adress is height and strenght above scoring
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Milwaukee is the best spot for Beal. He made a mistake if he wants a ring. The funniest part about this move is that he owner of the Bullets has always wanted Durant and loved Beal. The team he always wanted is in the desert.
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And now the suns have Jordan Goodwin, Eric Gordon, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates Diop, Drew Eubanks, Bol Bol, and Chimezie Metu. They have depth. and they're probably not done yet they have 2 trade exceptions they can trade for players and attach 2nd round picks to get more depth if need be.
Having watched Ayton for years, he is very good, closing in on stud status with his potential among the top 5 Suns Centers, but he is mentally soft. Maybe age and a change in scenery will help, but these create major issues when the Suns needed him most. He is not small, in good shape, but gets tossed around like a doll with other bigs. The Durant trade last year did not have time to cure and you saw fluidity issues, yet they still were the most competitive against the Nuggets, and had Ayton stepped up, could have taken the Championship.
I’m not sure that this is the best fit for Bradley Beal or the Suns. The Suns have a “Big Three”, but all three of them are score first players. That typically doesn’t have a great track record(look at Brooklyn).
So as a Miami fan, i disagree. It is obvious after 2 lost finals that what we need is size and a dependable center that can stretch the floor. For those that were not watching the finals games, that is why we lost both vs Denver and Lakers. As much as i'd love Beal or Dame, realistically those guys will not help us get there. Meanwhile, a certain Valanciunas is a good option, Vuč (granted he did not have a great season but i believe in Miami he would have a rebirth) is a free agent, Kristaps could be an option if healthy, and there are other players that would fit us nicely at the center position and that is a much bigger need than a third star.
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Yes! I knew I could count on you to share some trade ideas for Ayton...no one else has...borrrring..
This didn't age well. Apparently having Book, KD, and Beal makes guys wanna take a pay cut.
I'm surprised you didn't say the Warriors for an Anyton trade
I would’ve prefer the Bucks or the Kings got Beal but let’s see what happens in Phoenix.
Keep this same energy when the suns win the chip guys
keep that same dillusion you had for the last 3 years that the SUNS are a contender 🤣🤣
If it was true that the no trade clause was that important they could have just let Beal sit or even play for this team all year. Unlikely his value could have fallen much more than this. So obviously they were just doing right by their player.
Whether the Wizards would've sat Beal down for a year or not, it doesn't stop Beal from having complete control of where his next destination will be.
I hope this trade is a blessing and not a curse
The Mavs trade is the most realistic (Pacers would want more for Turner than Ayton) + Hardaway has "suboptimal" contract so Mavs would def take it.
@casey kierman the easiest trade for heat for a guard is
fred vanvleet to heat
kyle lowry and player selected at 18 to raptors
Beal didn't just dictate which team, he dictate the trade so they couldn't get more.