ESPRESSO MACHINE FROM OUTER SPACE: Review of the 58Espresso SPTK-1
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Even if they were to add a heating element (like the Flair 58), you still have the issue of having to swap cups once you get your desired output (and you can’t pressure profile like a Flair 58). And they are asking $385. Looks cool, but has way too many shortcomings.
For sure. The reservoir stays pressurized and, unless you immediately open the valve, it will continue extracting, which is a head ache.
Watching Lance fail to screw the lid on while it is sitting at like a 30º angle literally made me laugh so hard! Thank you for not doing the overly scripted "nerdwriter" style coffee art project videos and instead giving us something unique and authentic!
I swear I have that exact air pump to throw in my motorcycle saddlebag to keep my tires filled if needed. I could throw the SPTK-1, z1presso grinder, and my Jet-Boil to have some espresso on the go. As always a great video.... and again, please keep doing what you do!
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it! And that's awesome. I didn't realize just how close these pumps are to actual tire pumps lol
Great video! Love how you keep finding these new coffee projects to showcase. I feel like a few dollars worth of household items could already improve the design of this thing. Would love to see how much a beer koozie with some holes cut out for the legs and handles helps heat retention and if tying a string to the release valve lets you keep hands far enough away to safely drop the pressure rapidly and end a shot without needing a second cup.
Yes! Love these two quick solutions. I love the YT community. So many awesome ideas
I owned one of the early generation Flairs, and temperature management was a real problem there as well. I ended up putting the group into a bowl of boiling water to heat up before each shot.
What is the temperature of the scace device when pulling shots using a normal espresso machine? It would be helpful to have this as a comparison.
Seems like most of the "portable" espresso manufacturers regard convection as an afterthought sadly enough... Would make more sense to create a sort of double walled/isolated chamber instead (I think the robot kind of does this). I'm glad you made extensive measurements! As others mentioned, I think that the pump is a generic repackaged/rebranded Chinese tire pump. It looked like the Xiaomi Mi compressor at first glance, but they are slightly different.
Totally agree, insulation is they way to go to not lose all that heat. Thermal mass is not desirable when you have to work against it.
For $385, I'd rather get the Cafelat Robot since it doesn't require preheating for medium/darker roasts. Much nicer workflow I think
I need to get my hands on a robot!
@@LanceHedrick I need you to also! I want to hear your sage wisdom about it
Haha! Maybe soon.
@@LanceHedrick And Lance, please continue to measure the temperature with scase on every machine you test, it's very useful 👍👍👍
I remember seeing a bike pump espresso machine somewhere, seems like the same idea.
I am intrigued to what effects creating a pressurized chamber with air has, rather than using a plunger design or pressurizing the water line.
Also they do say it's a food safe pump, but not sure how much I trust that.
Can’t wait for the Starbucks barista espresso machine video!
yes! Same haha!
That Floop reference took me back a really long way!
I hope the other improvements they make in the future are ergonomic! Seems like a lot of faffy screwing that could be improved with some additional engineering. A little beefier than quarter turns for stuff under pressure, but something along those lines would be great!
Agreed! Also, I just love the word "faffy"
Surely a fill port would have been ideal, or have the pressure valve off to the side so you can remove the lid without unscrewing the pump. Cool in the sense that a hobbyist machinist could probably make it, but it needs a few tweaks.
I don't understand why this video is stuck at 9k views! Its so good!
What would be cool is if you pumped up the pressure intonthe top piece, then screwed it in and then released. It may help with the heat retention
Hmm, interesting. Glad I bought the Flair 58 x. Just put the brew chamber over my kettle as I get the water heated up, pre-heating is easy even without the electric heating element of the more expensive Flair 58. Thanks for another great video, Lance!
Yeah! Just tested teh Flair 58. If you put the chamber on a boiling kettle and preheat the portafilter, you can hit 94-95 easily.
In Asia, using an electric air pump is the go-to portable espresso right now. 1Zpresso actually has one too.
Can't wait for the second version with improvements! Looks so cool though. I'll definitely keep my eye on them.
Hopefully they come out swinging with some great thermal retention improvements! I really hope so!
One other shortcoming I noticed was that the hose/stem on the pump was not long enough to easily thread onto the canister without having to lift it off the table. That seems not only cumbersome, but possibly problematic if you end up knocking over something else you have laying nearby.
Rad little machine.
This reminds me of when I was getting into coffee in 2014 and there was such a small market for cool coffee stiff.
We live in a beautiful age now, a new dripper, espresso machine, grinder, burrset that comes out “every day” now.
Absolutely! Even with this machine's downfalls, it is innovative and no "first edition" is ever perfect. Gotta crawl before you can walk!
This haircut is yours to rock Lance! The dimmer controller works alright on my Lelit Anna by the way. Thanks!
you rock every time Sir!! I found the x-bar very cool (as MTB rider) but having to preheat 2x then screw that hot thing together, then screw the pump onto it is just too much hassle for 30g of coffee. I am a happy Nomad rider now.
agreed. The Nomad is the GOAT, tbh
Interesting idea, a portable 58 mm solution with a battery pump. Though the small pump is doesn't look the best, the valve seems to be standard, so I think you one could use better pumps as well, eventually even supporting pressure profiling. Anyway, the Flair 58 looks better, to me for preheating and especially manual pressure profiling (full control).
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YES! You are truly a real one.
Unless you can preheat it with open flame and reach temperature of more than 100 °C, you still wouldn't be able to start brewing quickly enough before all those heat-conducting metals dissipate more than 10 °C away from the water. Maybe for the second model they would consider using thick silicone to cover the brew head. The design is intriguing but I wonder if you can use normal bike pump to pump the pressure since the valve looked similar enough to Schrader valve.
$580.00 when not on sale, and $385.00 when on sale? Seems quite a bit expensive for what it does right? Might as well get the Flair58.
Very much so, hopefully with better heat retention and larger production costs can come down.
Sadly though this will likely become an interesting but expensive prototype
It is made with high quality parts, but agree on shortcomings.
@@LanceHedrick The multiple times to have to raise the temperature is a deal breaker in my opinion. I cannot envision this to be a success as is.
@@louisd95714 agreed. Should be a simple, single preheat and go.
I think it's a neat idea. If they made a smaller opening to pour water through, you would lose less heat from the top AND you could leave the pump hooked up so you could pull the shot faster.
I could see taking it on a bike trip and using the pump for the bikes as well.
For sure! Something like a smaller hole and easier disassembly for more proficient preheating!
Hey Lance, I’d love to see what you’d do with the robot. That’s how I make espresso at home everyday. Great video and cheers!
I need to grab one, for sure! Thanks for the support!
@@LanceHedrick And with the Flair58... I'm very curious about it's temp stability/ability
@@jlubkin He already has a 22 minute long video about the Flair58 :)
@@jlubkin Hey! Just threw a scace on it and did NOT use the heating element. If you heat the brew chamber on a kettle and preheat the portafilter, you easily hit 94-95C in the puck
@@LanceHedrick Awesome! I was curious if you preheat and use the top heat setting can you get consistent back-to-back shots.
But this is encouraging.
I have a DB E61 but thinking of a F58 for travel - would often pull 2-3 shots back to back.
Dude...you're killing it!
Very good video man. Feature rich testing. As someone mentioned below, would be good to have a baseline from a standard machine like a gaggia classic or whatever you may have at home.
Now I'm just imagining throwing this, a steel kettle, a hand grinder and some beans in a backpack to go camping.
Then again, the bripe is a bit more EDC friendly 😂
haha! It does disassemble into a small carrying case, which is nice, though!
Cant you just put the water container with water in over a stove to boil then set on stand, load basket under it then screwin pump? That would preheat the vessel walls up reeal well!
Lance, shouldn't the lid be pre-heated as well? That looks like a generous chunk of stainless steel that could be a real heat-suck. Maybe it could sit on top of the boil kettle the way you pre-heat a flair brew chamber. Just a thought.
Yep! I have tried this and it is a minimal change.
@@LanceHedrick Oh my goodness, that's surprising. I do appreciate your thoroughness - I love watching your videos. What great tutorials!!!
@@pgsahlman Yeah. The chamber itself needs to be tossed in an oven, but then we are talking about something dangerous and extremely arduous haha
I would have to wonder if your temperature is going down once it peaks due to the pump pulling in cold air from the outside.
Loving to see more budget friendly espresso options, really looking forward to seeing your thoughts for the odyssey espresso machine once they get reviewer machines out
For sure. And I just messaged them and they plan on getting me one soon!
It's looks so thick being akin to a commercial group so no wonder it takes an age to heat. You'd almost want to sit the group in a simmering pot of water for a good few minutes to bring it up to temp I imagine (this would be possible if you took it camping given the small footprint but you would probably want a burner just for preheating and another for your kettle and who knows how much gas you would burn).
I have been binge watching your videos as I plan my new machine purchase. I just noticed you are in Rogers. I live an hour north in Joplin. If you have an in person training class I would attend. Just a home coffee nut, but I would love to up my skills. Late art still pretty mediocre, but I like your videos and I am learning.
Thanks for the support! I have not had the time to offer any lessons as I am gearing up to make a massive move (out of country) in the coming months. but thank you for the support and interest!
I love the novelty, it's a shame it's so expensive as that's the only thing that holds me back. I could buy a mid range Breville for that price point. If it were £100 or less I'd buy it
For sure. That makes sense. It is constructed really well, but not necessarily the most efficient
I like it!
Interesting to try take this with on a trip along with a Lagom Mini for example.
absolutely! Just make sure you have ample hot water to preheat and bring along a dark roast!
They should have engineered a water jacket into that thing to get some heat going for the brew chamber but the whole device feels like a workbench hack.
Lance I think the collar inserts on your Breville Dual Boiler need replacing!
Hey! I'll give Jason the heads up haha! This isn't my dual boiler, or.even my kitchen lol
So it couldn't get up to a decent temp even with 2 preheats and the pump creates a slowly rising pressure profile. That's a shame. Neat idea, but doesn't seem like it will make very good espresso.
yes. meant to point out the slowly rising pressure. Thanks for saying this!
Will you do a video of the special Breville Dual Boiler ? (the white and gold one)
I solved this problem with a heated cup
Does the similar Maespresso 58 reduce the thermal problems, even though your stuck with a weird portafilter basket?
Nice video fun, funny and informative, sweetly done.
Why do you have to unscrew the pressure pump if you relieve pressure via the little lever on the side?
Nice trick there @3:41 😮
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haha! Thank you!
Cool! Thanks Lance.
thank you, as per usual!
That was a very generous review 😂 Cool looking machine though.
I just meant to keep things objective. I do like the design and I hope there is an attempt to keep the temperature higher for longer. As for now, it simply isn't up to snuff for anything other than french roast coffee after 3-4 preheating attempts.
@@LanceHedrick Dude, I think you do a great job of keeping things objective. Most of the Internet is about (and I'm guilty of this) "MY feelings!11!!", lol!
@@dr.nigsopmcchortlefag9544 haha thank you! I really appreciate it!
Love you Lance!
The love is mutual, friend!
I heard the Wii theme at 13:40
Can’t tell if it was intentional or not
It's such a cool design but it needs one of these Flair 58 electric heater type deals...
agreed! Needs to get a lot hotter
It's really a nice idea on paper to just isolate a group head and then use an air pump to reach desired pressure. But I think they fixated too much on the elusive 9 bar that they forgot about everything else. How could they otherwise have neglected to see that it doesn't retain sufficient heat even after 3 pre-heat cycles, or that there's no way to stop the brewing on command?
For sure. So often people worry about the number or bars because it is easy (and cheap) to verify. Temp at the group measured accurately requires expensive tools. Harder to double check. Easier to overlook
Hmmm. That seems entirely fixable, all it needs is an insulating jacket. If I had one here right now, I have some honeycomb heat-resistant silicone pads (for resting hot pans on) that could easily be cut to fit and epoxied together to make a removable jacket. However, for the price, I don't feel like I should have to. I could just get a Robot, or Flair, or Nomad. Or if I really wanted and needed mechanical power, and I'm looking at modding anyway, well, we're not that far from Gaggia Classic (and then I can get a fully kitted out machine.. eventually... with enough modding).
To be compelling, I feel like it needs to come with an insulation solution in place as well as quick-release valve fittings without changing significantly in price; then it is comparable to other ready-made, compact, espresso-only entry and/or portable devices, but with a pump (of sorts) instead of a lever. That's a very specific niche, but there would definitely be people that bought it.
Probably not me. But at least I can see the value proposition then.
Also, as a side note, I don't think it should be that hard to provide room for a lot more water in there. If it were capable of longs and sprovers then I think there'd be a bit more room for a higher price since that is a specific weakness of its category, and I think it'd be as simple as a larger chamber, maybe a bit of shaping to the chamber so it doesn't push too much water into the puck before pressure begins. Might cost to much in portability though, this is a pretty strong contender on that front in its current configuration.
agreed with all of this. THank you for commenting!
There's a reason that Flairs let you easily remove the brew chamber and preheat it separately...
Yup! Makes it much easier to get that temp way way up
Kinda reminds me of that Xbar Kickstarter that used gas canisters or a pump.
Oh yes! Except those you have to replace the canisters, yeah? This is rechargeable, which is nice. Temp stability is suspect, though
@@LanceHedrick yeah the one with the co2 cartridges . I had a mindfart and forgot the word cartridge in the first comment haha. It can use a pump also. But yes, both would be hard to maintain temp.
@@dreyhna1723 oh yes. the little cartridges. That is a deterrent for me with the other options on the market, but certainly a novel idea!
Looks like a great cold brewer.
ha! Certainly does.
Hi Lance, great video. Love the magic claps. :)))))
Could you do the same test on the Wacaco Picopresso? It's a nice little (work-out) device on the go. Lmao
Thank you! And I don't have a scace built to test the Wacaco, sadly. This is only for 58mm machines
While this device may fill the void in the space of 'portable espresso devices', there are still major flaws that need to be addressed. One of them is certainly the need to unscrew the entire upper compartment to fill it with water... The time needed to resit the lid is enough to have a considerable drop in temperature. Nonetheless, once some of the bigger issues have been reviewed, this could be a great travel buddy.
Agreed. Those flaws need to be addressed before it is a solid contender for best 58mm non-electric machine.
I think it loss most of the heat due to cold air pumping into reservoir
Why is it necessary to attach the pressure-machine after screwing on the lid? If it can be attached before screwing on the lid, maybe the heat retention will be better?
it isn't necessary, but I have not found it to make any improvement
@@LanceHedrick I suppose the overall build needs better thermal insulation. And thanks for the reply! Please keep up your great work :)
@@upendrar09 for sure. there just needs to be some fundamental changes to allow for easier, and quicker, thermal stability at high temps
Hey, Lance, I am interested in your own coffee setup that is behind you. With access to all those end game grinders and espresso machines, one assumes you would have something fancier to go by.
Well, first, I am no elitist and refuse to only showcase "fancier" equipment. I prefer to use more accessible equipment when making videos unless I am particularly reviewing a more expensive machine. Second, this is not my kitchen.
Hi Lance :) 🐸 Is the air going in directly to the chamber? Do you think the cold air is messing up the temperature?
Yeah. that and the massive mass the chamber is both suck out heat
Would it make a difference if, in between the pouring of the water, the lid stays on the machine instead of on the side (maybe that was done for the video) but wonder if that adds a bit?
I also wonder if there's a way to make a mini-insulation/vaccum layer, or some form of mirror-like material on the interior to keep the heat (one of my thermos has no vacuum system but the inside is as reflective as a mirror and it's the best thermos of all the ones I've tried in retaining heat. Anyways, some thoughts on metal and heat retention!
I only did that in the video. And yes- something liek that is 100% needed!
@@LanceHedrick if the materials and tech are available, why aren't they in manual Espresso makers like the lever ones? It would make preheating so much easier.
Cost? Or perhaps people just haven't thought of it/found an easy way to implement it?
@@LanceHedrick possibly. The thermos is around 30 usd. But after trying multiple reputable brands, I keep going back to this one. Thanks for entertaining my questions/thoughts!
That looks a faff. Shame you can’t keep the pump connected, and have fewer turns on the cap. Then it might be possible to get a decent temperature, and not require a minor construction job to get a coffee!
Is there a new tattoo on your left wrist I love it
yeah! a coffee pot with a floating skull lol
Would be great if you could get your hands on an Argos, although I have not seen anyone having a chance to review that machine.
I am supposed to!
@@LanceHedrick Have it in my cart, waiting for you and others(Brian Quan, Discord, HB, Reddit) to give opinions. Hopefully your unit arrives soon!
@@LanceHedrick wonderful to hear. I pre-ordered mine more than a year ago. But the inventor is very good at answering questions. Looking forward to getting mine. (Eventually)
@@bairdmiltich4935 yeah! I DMed him today. He said i'll get one of the first units. I may even get my hands on one this weekend in Boston
@@LanceHedrick Ugh, you're so lucky to be at the SCE! I would love to have the chance to go, but stuck working this year. Planning on going one of these years, just need to plan it out better. Have fun and enjoy all the great new gear and amazing coffee's! Hopefully you can post some videos.
Bet it's the incoming room-temp air that's causing the low Temps, otherwise where would the heat be going?
Into the metal body of the water chamber. I'm guessing that the steel/brass of it simply has too much mass. It would be dangerous, but I wonder if you'd get better results if you threw the body of it in a hot oven for a while to get it preheated.
I'd imagine it would help quite a bit, but woah that's some danger and intense effort haha!
Specifically called a schrader valve :)
boom! Learn something new daily.
one could throw a small heating element insef the chamber and boil water until everything is nice and toasty. too expensive though
Yeah. Having to mod a $400 machine to do something it shoudl do is a bit much for me
I wonder if you could preheat the machine by throwing it in an oven for an hour and get better temperature out of it. You'd need to wear welding gloves to handle it though. 🤔
haha! I can all but guarantee it owuld be much better doing that. But, who wants to haha!
That's just a Flair with extra steps 😁
Yes it's weird but it can I make it a coffee out of the weird container what can I make weird coffee out of a container so basically weird coffee
absolutely! The bripe, the SPTK-1, the forge, the nomad. Lots of weird ways to make coffee!
Take all the insides out of an espresso machine and take it all apart and put it all back together again every time you you want to pull one shot. Wow…why didn’t I think of that? Lol.
hahaha! Love the sarcasm here lol
Nice! 👌👌
thank you, Linda!
So Lance what the temp of water coming out of a regular espresso machine ?
Hey! Depends on the machine, but usually around 93-97 or so!
My Gaggia ends up 66C in the cup, not sure if that’s normal or expected in the cup.
In the cup is way different than in the puck. Different worlds. If you have an unmodded gaggia, your boiler temp will oscillate between like 85 and 101
@@LanceHedrick Thanks Buddy! Oh, I’m modded, Gaggia Classic Pro PID Dimmer build
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Shrader valve.
Why didn't you preheat like a flair ? It looks like you emptied, waited for hot water, and then added water, didn't push the power button while screwing the top on. I realize you are filming, but you could have done more to try to reach your ideal temp. That being said, I REALLY like your videos
No- I dumped and immediately refilled. didn't wait to reheat. I had the kettle heating the whole time between shots. might look weird in the video. The video also wasnt my first time testing it with a scace, just FYI. Cheers!
Sputnik…. Because you have time to reach the moon before your machine is adequately pre-heated? 😆
$385!!! Might as well get a Flair.
Yeah. At least in its current iteration
Espresso machines need to do 2 things. Get the right pressure and temperature to the puck. If it can't do either well, its not a good machine. While pressure can be tricky, temperature is straightforward to achieve.
Sounds like they spent more effort on coming up with a hip name and very little on engineering decisions. As someone who is currently designing an espresso machine as well, this blatant temperature oversight is almost too stupid to be seem real. This is a paperweight at best.
For sure. and you're designing one! Curious to see it!
I'ma echo what others said. Too many shortcommings for the price, my coffee budget is better used in other stuff
You just have to make your espressos inside a hot oven...
I mean like... everybody's doin it... n stuff.
Why do you say cre'ate like British people say bri'ish? Great review btw
If only there way a way to insulate that heat
I'm sure there is. Hopefully they'll make improvements for future iterations. Or someone finds an easy DIY solution that isn't too difficult or obtuse.
A PTC heater wrapped with neoprene would likely suffice. This would reduce the elegance of the setup.
@@m_cabral or hear me out, wrap the whole thing in an expensive aerogel jacket for the most rediculous solution
@@m_cabral you think that would sufficiently hold temp to get above 90C? I may need to try it.
Looks like you’ve lost some weight… lookin’ fit 💪🏻
Thank you!
“Valve stem”.
lol
come on dude lol!
Too much work for sleepy people!
Why you release the video every time I am at work???
🤣😂😂😂
Possibility getting fired 99.9%
hahaha! I'm on a mission to liberate workers from their shackles.
Yet another poorly designed device. Your face after the sip, tells the true story!
Nope. Too much faffing about. You'll probably get better with a Mr. Coffee "espresso" machine.
Oh no you’re an Android user!!
oh yes! Big time
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