Can I point out how RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED is the blessing of dawnfather? Dealing a 15-20 points of dmg, and knocking prone ON EVERY ATTACK THAT HITS YOU?! Maybe it wasn't that ridiculous because it was Vex who got it, and she's quite squishy, but imagine it on someone more tanky, not even mentioning if a beast like grog got it 💀 (Also resistance to necrotic, because why not)
@@mikonyx7712 I would agree it’s over powered until the context of level 20 and these characters having literally met many gods and had been giving blessings That being said it’s still insane but I think the context helps it a bit
It's not keyleth's armamente that makes her age slowly it's just that druids get TImeless body at 18th level, so any archdruid or such can do it, it's not an ashari thing.
3rd action surge! I thought that was going to actually happen for a second. I was like WHAT THE WORLD! That is super powerful. Man I wish one of his shots would have been a crit!
@@jenny_of_oldstones3523 very true I am curious what life would be like with the laylines gone but the round table seems like it’s just around the corner
The infinite attacks shenanigan was pretty bad imo. I agree that since they have plenty of level 20s together the encounter should be really hard, but this is not the way to do it. Instead they could have many enemies that are strong but don't have anything absolutely ridiculous like that. So many ways that are more fun, can be countered or otherwise make sense. That one left a bad taste.
@@BerzekGamer I can see this point that being said I kinda liked it mostly because it’s like a breath weapon he has to roll to get it back I also do think it makes a lot of sense that a “beast” from another world who’s likely been bioengineered to be a savage killer attacking all out like this just works for me if we didn’t know about the bio engineering stuff this would be a harder pill to swallow for sure
I think the reinforcements would have shown up if the party had started to really struggle in the fight. At least that’s something I’d do in a big battle situation if the party is having trouble have some friendly npc show up to help out and turn the tide. It’s just a thought though I don’t know for sure.
This was such a good episode, Ozo cruths frenzy ability maybe a "little" overpowered but with 8 level 20s i can see why. also, vox machina getting Vax back for just 1 night is bit harsh from the matron of ravens considering they just kinda saved the world again, but maybe Keyleth and Vax could have a kid on that 1 night? overall great episode but i just feel really sad for Keyleth, will she ever be happy?
@@juliettelasserre6676 Matt mentioned in the past how he likely won’t be free from her but I think it would be cool for them to have a kid it would in a way finish their story and let a new one start
I dont think it was hard enough lol. Should have had some legendary resist on the big beasts, and maybe 2 vidulches. Less small npcs. Make them struggle some more, and then pop some reinforcements hahaha.
@@Errante117 the thing with this fight is it was Vox Machina. This group receives special treatment constantly and a level of reverence the others don’t these are the player’s favourite kids I believe the mighty Nein deserve the level of love the players give Vox Machina but they don’t and something tells me The m9 fight is gonna be a nightmare
@@ZodiacBandit That's fair, VM are supposed to be the ones that take on impossible odds and succeed, and there's the players love, so i see why Matt is more benevolent in the way he treats them. Also, there's the fact that level 20 is a nightmare to balance, and the difference between a fair fight and an unfair one can be summed up to bad or good rolls.
The stakes are pretty high, but Matt definetly should have had made them higher in terms of combat, and less creatures so it takes less time for each turn. Overall though? Amazing episode, pretty epic too.
@ honestly that’s why I think the lvl 15 bells hells fight is going to be the most fun lvl 8-16 dnd to me is where you are balanced yet still have some op stuff after that you start to see some bull shit
@@joeblow7735 it’s call the Iron Bands of Bilarro Speak command word ("manners") and ranged attack roll against huge or smaller creature, restraining creature on a hit. Restrained creature can make DC 20 Strength check, destroying it on a success. (1/Day)
@@ZodiacBandit You are the best thanks for the quick response and as always, thanks for the great video! This fight was so short (4 turns ish) yet so entertaining. I am SO looking forward to the other 2 major fights. IMO, 2 episodes per fight to conclude them. I think...well depending on whether Prodathos is released or not, I believe the last 3 or more episodes after these major battles are going to be a how to conclude campaign 3. Freaking sucks man.... I think I am going to rewatch Campaign 2 after. It's been a few years since I've watched it and I just LOVE the entire storyline.
@@ZodiacBanditC1 the last live show or look for the Vax & Grog prank Scanlan clip, it's not only hilarious but you get to see a great use of "manners".
Keylith needs to have a kid with Vax to be happy? Honestly, I feel like that’s just as big of a cop out as bringing him back. Not every story needs a pretty little bow on it. In fact, I think it’s more impactful like this. If they’re gonna continue on in this world, Keylith is gonna be around for a while. She could experience character development beyond VAX. She could legitimately become happy in other ways. You know, like a person, as opposed to the leading mans romantic interest/baby machine so many shippers seem to want her to be.
@@aliasalias8681 keylith as a character has very clearly shown she can’t move on she tries to hide that fact but it’s clear she can’t if she had a real piece of him around maybe she finally can. Does she absolutely need that no but damn 30 spiteful years give her something
I know. But they so rarely touch on her, and want to emphasize the loss of VAX. Once the rest of Vox Machina… ages out of future campaigns, she could conceivably find love again. She has significantly more opportunity to develop as a character, who she was at 20 something whenever he died is going to be more of a distant memory to her than he is in a few decades, let alone a few centuries. If they have her moping over him after 100 or so years, or training her grandchildren, it feels really weak. It feels like most of Keylith‘s character is bound to be the widow of VAX rather than the voice of the tempest.
@@aliasalias8681 I like the way you think but I also like the thought of a kid with Vax. I think personally that would bring Keekee a comfort she so desperately needs.
Some people can't move on even when they try my mom could move on from my dad he was her soul mate. She tried to have relationships they didn't work. Keyleth did try to move on and couldn't some connections are one in a lifetime.
@ It would’ve just given disadvantaged on attacks and makes them fail sight based checks and saves they already had disadvantaged from the spell anyway not to mention they have to roll a saving throw or be blind so it’s not a sure thing they go blind
@@ZodiacBandit Divine intervention is 10th level, 20th just makes it suceeed automatically but realistically a level 10 cleric could have suceeded that roll
That was a big spell she used, she could of used it for more important... but loved her friend. We've had unsaved deaths in CR. They just got the tower down and reviv and all the Divine powers back.
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Can I point out how RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED is the blessing of dawnfather?
Dealing a 15-20 points of dmg, and knocking prone ON EVERY ATTACK THAT HITS YOU?! Maybe it wasn't that ridiculous because it was Vex who got it, and she's quite squishy, but imagine it on someone more tanky, not even mentioning if a beast like grog got it 💀
(Also resistance to necrotic, because why not)
@@mikonyx7712 I would agree it’s over powered until the context of level 20 and these characters having literally met many gods and had been giving blessings
That being said it’s still insane but I think the context helps it a bit
It's not keyleth's armamente that makes her age slowly it's just that druids get TImeless body at 18th level, so any archdruid or such can do it, it's not an ashari thing.
Yes The Flamespeaker is the same.
Also they forget action surge is only once per turn, but at least was a cool Shooting at the guy : ) !!!
@@soldier660 yea rule of cool moment
3rd action surge! I thought that was going to actually happen for a second. I was like WHAT THE WORLD! That is super powerful. Man I wish one of his shots would have been a crit!
Nice recap on the episode! It will be interesting seeing how the Mighty Nein and Bells Hells do on their personal missions.
VM saved magic.
@@jenny_of_oldstones3523 very true I am curious what life would be like with the laylines gone but the round table seems like it’s just around the corner
The infinite attacks shenanigan was pretty bad imo. I agree that since they have plenty of level 20s together the encounter should be really hard, but this is not the way to do it. Instead they could have many enemies that are strong but don't have anything absolutely ridiculous like that. So many ways that are more fun, can be countered or otherwise make sense. That one left a bad taste.
@@BerzekGamer I can see this point that being said I kinda liked it mostly because it’s like a breath weapon he has to roll to get it back
I also do think it makes a lot of sense that a “beast” from another world who’s likely been bioengineered to be a savage killer attacking all out like this just works for me if we didn’t know about the bio engineering stuff this would be a harder pill to swallow for sure
I think the reinforcements would have shown up if the party had started to really struggle in the fight. At least that’s something I’d do in a big battle situation if the party is having trouble have some friendly npc show up to help out and turn the tide. It’s just a thought though I don’t know for sure.
This was such a good episode, Ozo cruths frenzy ability maybe a "little" overpowered but with 8 level 20s i can see why.
also, vox machina getting Vax back for just 1 night is bit harsh from the matron of ravens considering they just kinda saved the world again, but maybe Keyleth and Vax could have a kid on that 1 night?
overall great episode but i just feel really sad for Keyleth, will she ever be happy?
@@juliettelasserre6676 Matt mentioned in the past how he likely won’t be free from her but I think it would be cool for them to have a kid it would in a way finish their story and let a new one start
Matt said when Vax came to save Keyleth the first time he was punished by the Matron. I'm surprised she let Vax stay one night.
You was actually Right ^^ !!! nice job : ) !!!
@@soldier660 and I felt horrible at the same time weird feeling
@@ZodiacBandit he he she is fine : ) !!!
I dont think it was hard enough lol. Should have had some legendary resist on the big beasts, and maybe 2 vidulches. Less small npcs. Make them struggle some more, and then pop some reinforcements hahaha.
@@Errante117 the thing with this fight is it was Vox Machina. This group receives special treatment constantly and a level of reverence the others don’t these are the player’s favourite kids
I believe the mighty Nein deserve the level of love the players give Vox Machina but they don’t and something tells me The m9 fight is gonna be a nightmare
@@ZodiacBandit That's fair, VM are supposed to be the ones that take on impossible odds and succeed, and there's the players love, so i see why Matt is more benevolent in the way he treats them.
Also, there's the fact that level 20 is a nightmare to balance, and the difference between a fair fight and an unfair one can be summed up to bad or good rolls.
The stakes are pretty high, but Matt definetly should have had made them higher in terms of combat, and less creatures so it takes less time for each turn.
Overall though? Amazing episode, pretty epic too.
@ honestly that’s why I think the lvl 15 bells hells fight is going to be the most fun lvl 8-16 dnd to me is where you are balanced yet still have some op stuff after that you start to see some bull shit
@ZodiacBandit: What does "Manners" do? I was SO sad that he missed with it.
@@joeblow7735 it’s call the Iron Bands of Bilarro
Speak command word ("manners") and ranged attack roll against huge or smaller creature, restraining creature on a hit.
Restrained creature can make DC 20 Strength check, destroying it on a success. (1/Day)
@@ZodiacBandit You are the best thanks for the quick response and as always, thanks for the great video! This fight was so short (4 turns ish) yet so entertaining. I am SO looking forward to the other 2 major fights. IMO, 2 episodes per fight to conclude them.
I think...well depending on whether Prodathos is released or not, I believe the last 3 or more episodes after these major battles are going to be a how to conclude campaign 3. Freaking sucks man....
I think I am going to rewatch Campaign 2 after. It's been a few years since I've watched it and I just LOVE the entire storyline.
@ I’m going to rewatch both c1 and c2 at some point after c3 ends
@@ZodiacBanditC1 the last live show or look for the Vax & Grog prank Scanlan clip, it's not only hilarious but you get to see a great use of "manners".
@@jenny_of_oldstones3523 Thanks for the reminder! I've seen that before and am going to look it up right now. Cheers!
Well he said at the end if the story we get the end of the story...It depends on what happens with MN & BH.
Keylith needs to have a kid with Vax to be happy? Honestly, I feel like that’s just as big of a cop out as bringing him back. Not every story needs a pretty little bow on it. In fact, I think it’s more impactful like this. If they’re gonna continue on in this world, Keylith is gonna be around for a while. She could experience character development beyond VAX. She could legitimately become happy in other ways. You know, like a person, as opposed to the leading mans romantic interest/baby machine so many shippers seem to want her to be.
@@aliasalias8681 keylith as a character has very clearly shown she can’t move on she tries to hide that fact but it’s clear she can’t if she had a real piece of him around maybe she finally can. Does she absolutely need that no but damn 30 spiteful years give her something
I know. But they so rarely touch on her, and want to emphasize the loss of VAX. Once the rest of Vox Machina… ages out of future campaigns, she could conceivably find love again. She has significantly more opportunity to develop as a character, who she was at 20 something whenever he died is going to be more of a distant memory to her than he is in a few decades, let alone a few centuries. If they have her moping over him after 100 or so years, or training her grandchildren, it feels really weak. It feels like most of Keylith‘s character is bound to be the widow of VAX rather than the voice of the tempest.
@@aliasalias8681 I like the way you think but I also like the thought of a kid with Vax. I think personally that would bring Keekee a comfort she so desperately needs.
Some people can't move on even when they try my mom could move on from my dad he was her soul mate. She tried to have relationships they didn't work. Keyleth did try to move on and couldn't some connections are one in a lifetime.
@@aliasalias8681 Why would she move on when the man she loves very much still exists? It's a matter of getting him back.
That is such a big L that they did not apply the blindness i missed that totally would have been so clutch!!
@ It would’ve just given disadvantaged on attacks and makes them fail sight based checks and saves they already had disadvantaged from the spell anyway not to mention they have to roll a saving throw or be blind so it’s not a sure thing they go blind
Im fairly certian it also gives advantage on attacks against the creature, unless they possess something like tremor sense @@ZodiacBandit
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I was horrified that they magically bring back dead Vex with a hand wave 👋 death means nothing in Critical Role😅
@@rstlr01 it was divine intervention I get your point but a level 20 ability had to be used
@@ZodiacBandit Divine intervention is 10th level, 20th just makes it suceeed automatically but realistically a level 10 cleric could have suceeded that roll
@ very unlikely but yes it’s possible a lvl 14 or 15 caduceus did
That was a big spell she used, she could of used it for more important... but loved her friend. We've had unsaved deaths in CR. They just got the tower down and reviv and all the Divine powers back.
It's D&D there's plenty ways to bring back the dead