Have watched hundreds of repair videos on YT and this is perhaps the best ever. Why do these other authors have an absurd intro with loud music that NO ONE cares about? Having the process typed out versus orally explaining is top notch as well. MrSubaru1387 rocks! Oh, and the Aisin part tip is :)
Just stopping by to say thanks. This is an $1100 service at my local dealer. For about $250 in parts your video makes this an easy job to follow along with. Much appreciated!
I replaced the belt and waterpump with an Aisin kit on my 09 last Saturday. The replacement went exactly like your video. Everything came apart easily, and assembly the same. It is surprising how low 28ftlbs feels when torquing the idlers. I used a new crank bolt, oiled the bolt and set my digital torque wrench to 55 degrees. Then checked with the clicker that I had at least 105 ft lbs. It was 40 degrees in my garage with the door open, took almost as long to bleed the cooling system waitin for the thermostat to open as the mechanical part of the job. Your video was a great help!
Idk if I'm posting too much, but I just finished my second ej253 timing belt service today. No problems! Lightweight brag, but also another thank you! I'm basically done doing basic service on both a 06 forester and 12 legacy. Idk what I'm gonna do with my free time now!
Finally was able to do it. Was scared as heck and had the help of my brother-in-law. But we managed and got it done. I feel so good. Thank you Mr Subaru for everything. Also for anyone I recommend definitely purchasing the specialty tool to remove the crank bolt and the no spill coolant reservoir. Both made the job super easy and manageable. Take your time, be positive, focus, and enjoy the process.
@@determineddad7935 ...Thank you for quick response, definitely going to give it a shot. I’m only giving it a try because dealer price is insanely high. Not criticizing them just sticker shock.
@@determineddad7935 ...All done, took me about 7 hrs, that includes coolant and burping the engine. Purchased some gasket maker for water pumps and put a bead around water pump, pressed gasket against it and gasket never moved. Had a scare when coolant that was on exhaust started to burn off, I though water pump failed. I was quoted $1800 for this job, I spent $500 in tools and parts for job, bought a 3/8 torque wrench came in incredibly handy and company 23 crank pulley tool. Thanks for videos, they are a great help!
Awesome man. Thanks! One note: while the rad overflow tank is off, clean it thoroughly to remove sediment from the bottom. All that new fluid will be contaminated with the residual gunk. You may be helping out with recruiting subaru technicians. Good work!
Fantastic video. I do a lot of my own car work and like most home gamers, consult TH-cam whenever I do something new. This is one of the best "how to" vids I've seen. Thanks much!
Thanks MrSubaru1387. I have just replaced the timing belt, pulleys and water pump on my Forester with the EJ251. Your video came in handy when I couldn't work out which order to put the pulleys on with the belt in place. Also a tip from me. You can use clothes line pegs to help keep the belt in place on the camshaft gears.
plain and basic with detailed instructions, not a bad "how to" at all, well thought out and clear. The comments section here is golden :) you guys have been such a help, thanks to all.
Returning to this thread as I just wrapped up this job successfully today using your detailed instructions! Great reference for anyone attempting this repair. In addition to the rusty timing cover bolts I encountered, the only other struggle I ran into was putting on the toothed water pump pulley. I'm sure it's easier the second time, but getting it positioned and the bolt started took a number of tries. I tried a few other options in putting that on first and the two other idlers last, and do not recommend that. Extremely difficult to keep the belt and passenger cam gear in position and no easier to get bolts started. Follow this guide with patience and it will eventually line-up. Hopefully all set for another 105k miles!
Nobody will see this but when trying to remove the crank pully position the tools closer together use grip strenth and not brute force my grandfather taught me this working on wind waterpumps/windmill esc waterpumps
A TIP: Before you set time aside to do this job, look underneath the hood and check your timing belt cover bolts. I have 190k on my Outback and I'm from the Rust belt. I spent many extra hours getting those rusted bolts out. I replaced them with M6-1.00 20 bolts. I don't believe my Outback had ever had the timing belt and water pump done, wayyy overdue. Totally worth it. The kit is perfect and the crank pulley tool worked perfectly, I found one on amazon for $28 instead of the $70 tool he has listed.
Thanks MrSubaru1387 for another fine video! I will LITERALLY have my laptop sitting on top of the engine bay for reference as I'm performing this replacement !!
Thanks for the video big help. Only thing id add is that in any car that sees snow, the lower timing cover bolts may be a pain to get off. If the 10mm heads rounded, i was able to use a 3/8 and tap it on to remove them. May be wise to buy new bolts prior to starting this project. The tool worked great
I kinda dig the neighbor going hard with the chainsaw in the background to be honest. Very helpful info all across your channel, thanks for the enlightening content.
Bought 2008 outback with 77k just did timing belt and water pump @ 154000 with help of your video and tips. Greatly appreciate the videos and learning to do my own maintainece.
I would like to add to this great video the following: 1. The belt's fit is very very tight, it stretches very little if anything and it's ribbed. 2. Hence, when you get it on on all the cogs, it gets divided into runs witch can stretch only within the run 3. when you do the belt on the car, even if you remove fans, you do not have visibility of all the holes where the bolts go 4. all together you need to install 1 x tensioner, 1 x cog idler, 2 x smooth idlers, top and bottom ones. 5. when you are installing the idlers and the tensioner, you have to stretch the belt (some strength is required) and fit the holding bolt into the hole you don't see - and that is not easy to do for some of them. 6. you have to start the bolts with your hand to make sure it's square fit, otherwise the steel bolts will make some mess with your aluminium engine. So the above were just observations, and now are a couple of statements: 1. the cog pulley next to water pump and the tensioner are absolutely worst to fit in, so do them first. MrSubaru fits the tensioner and the top idler first - that might not work for you, as the cog pulley is a dog to fit, being close to the water pump and not enough belt to stretch. 2. After you have fit the tensioner and the cog idler, install the top idler, as it's got nice long run of the belt to stretch, and then, the bottom idler, as it also has a nice long run to stretch. That is the only way to work for me.
Thank you and I was able to replaced mine (2011 Outback 2.4)with the guidance of this video. Just an FYI to all - when I used subaru 78 degree Thermostat -, the Check Engine light (steady) Traction, Brake and cruise started blinking- even after resets it keeps coming back And the only way that I was able to clear it is to replace it with 88 degree thermostat and the warning messages all went away
One comment about the Company 23 crank pulley tool...on my 2008 Forester I rested one end on the frame rail, made it very easy to unscrew the crank bolt. Then use the other frame rail when reinstalling.
You can also secure the ratchet against the frame rail or something and hit the starter to break the bolt loose. Disable the ignition first. lol. A 7/8" socket also fits the 22mm bolt, in case you don't have a metric socket that size. Can also use an old alternator belt. Loop it around the alternator, and fold the slack over on itself against the left side of the crank pulley. This will bind the crank pulley, so the bolt can be removed. It puts a crease in the belt, so it's best to use an old one.
I can vouch for the Company 23 crank pulley wrench. I am working on a 2012 Outback. My Harbor Freight stubby impact wrench and my Harbor Freight full size impact wrenches both failed to loosen the crank pulley bolt. I was able to engage the Company 23 wrench in the pulley and rest it on the frame under the air box, and use a breaker bar and iron pipe and the bolt came right out, no damage to the bolts the Company 23 wrench came with. My first timing belt install, going good so far!
I recently helped a guy who had a Gates kit installed 8 months ago (not by me!). His tensioner pulley had already failed. Definitely agree, ONLY buy Aisin or Conti kits!
Made it to 187000kms on timing belt #o.e.m. lol . Was 2mm under thickness, tensioner was crying a bit. Timing was who knows. But followed Mr.S' direction and worth every moment of inner peace😂
So.. that car was 6-7 years old when this video was published? It's immaculate! I wish 6-7 year old cars looked like that in my neck of the woods. If they aren't covered in rust by that age they are caked with years of Krown/Rustchek and the accompanying grime.
As an alternative to messing with the cooling fans, you can just pull the entire radiator and get a couple more inches to work in. Useful if you don't have a power ratchet and want to cram a driver tool in there. On the crank bolt: - On older cars that have already had a timing service, I've seen a few crank pulley bolts that are *BENT* because of god knows what the last guy did. They also tend to be waaay tighter than they really need to be. Just buy a new bolt - they're Subaru-only, but they're like $3-5. If you're using this for an older engine that still has two serpentine belts: - You may as well go ahead and buy a replacement air conditioning idler. I have *NEVER* seen one where the bearing wasn't shot. Dayco part 89029 is a high quality replacement with a good bearing and, unlike the OEM part, the pulley is *metal*. Really. Don't neglect it. I've seen one cause a timing belt break because the bearing on the A/C idler pulley let go, the belt carved a gash in the timing cover and tore the timing belt. - You'll also want a belt tension measurement tool. You can't just eyeball these - you'll either have them slipping like crazy or side load the bearings to death. On manual transmission cars: - Some but not all manual cars will have a little 'guard' shroud bolted on around the crank sprocket. Remove it to service the timing belt. It's there to prevent the timing belt from skipping teeth under shock load if you stall the engine or dump the clutch. When you reinstall it, it should be close enough to the belt that the belt will not be able to rise up out of the tooth grooves and skip. It should *NOT* touch the belt. Occasionally you see these on automatic cars that have had a replacement engine. As it regards the crank pulley tool: -You DEFINITELY need it, and you definitely want the Company23 one, not the knockoffs available for half the price. The harmonic balancers actually vary a bit in size and the cheap ones *will not seat inside* some of them on the smaller end and you'll end up bending/breaking the bolts on the tool. Note for 2022 on the coolant: - Definitely ignore Subaru's ridiculous coolant fill procedure. It's a recipe for dumping $50 in coolant on the ground. This guy's is fine and accomplishes the same thing. Yes, you do want the big bucket funnel thing. They're like thirty bucks on Amazon. - If you're not reusing your old coolant, you can probably only get the blue Subaru "Super Coolant" these days. For this stuff, you don't need the conditioner. It's godawful expensive, though. Since you'll end up with a mix of this and the old coolant, you should continue to use the service interval for the old coolant. Once you've changed it 2 times, you can switch over to using the much higher service interval for the super coolant cars.
Aisin kit is $225 plus shipping off Rock Auto. That's a lot of labor for something an amateur can accomplish within half a day. Just did mine for the first time and it wasn't that bad. Crank bolt is 22mm, or 7/8" in American. There are tricks for loosening it without that tool. Long 90 degree bent needle nose pliers are handy for hose clamps. But, this is a key job, and if a person does not feel comfortable with it, it can be best to leave it with someone who does. Good Luck
@@n2omike yeah that’s pretty fair. My aunts former 2010 Outback needed a timing belt service and our cousin was able to get her a deal with his mechanic and he did the job for $750. Which was amazingly inexpensive for that job!
Another great video. I have stopped using Gates altogether like many others. I hope they will see it on their bottom line in a couple of years. I still use SKF wheel bearings and timing belt kits (generally NTN or Koyo components). I will look into Aisin next time. Many of the formerly "reputable" aftermarket brands are clogging the market with the same no-name "premium" components in different wrappings. I have recently seen rubber CV boots ("OE quality") failing after three years of use - OE are like 10-15 years.
Thanks for helping me with this video. I did mine on new year's eve. The water pump gave me the biggest headache. But its been running great. Appreciate you. Saved me alot of labor costs. You da man!
Best instructions ever, my 2010 forester non turbo snapped the timing belt while I was driving, my mechanic told me if he’s was able to manually turn the crankshaft to full rotation as you did ( camshaft as well) He did and told most likely nothing bad happened to the engine. I order the parts he installed. Now there’s a sound of no compression. Is there’s a chance of being out of time be the cause ?
I was flying along through this job until it came time to put the water pump cog on. I seriously thought I had been shipped a belt that was too short. No matter how hard I tried I could not get all three hatch marks on the belt to line up exactly. Then when it came time to put the cog on...Christ, what an ordeal. That belt is strung tight. I have done the timing belt on a BMW e30 and that was cake compared to this.
Thanks for recommending the Aisin kit. I had such a hard time when I was looking for mine and nearly went gates until I heard they were using cheapo Chinese bearings. I went subaru dealer direct for the kit and never heard of aisin so good to know for next time!
2011 Outback with 120k. No issues with any leaks, should I replace the Water pump since I’m in there or just swap out the belt? Thanks for the vids! Life saver for this Subaru owner!!
+CivicNigga every fastener has a specified torque for a reason. The engineers have made that figure for reason. The best repair practice is to leave no evidence that a repair has been done. Make it like OE and you shouldn't have issue.
Well, I did this job 6 months ago with a GATES timing belt kit. Please go with what MrSubaru recommends here. One of my timing idler bearings is already bad. Luckily the part is under warranty but the job is just annoying to do after hoping I wouldn't be back into it for 100k miles. Stick with the Aisin kit. Apparently even GATES uses cheap bearings now.
Awesome video used this for my 09 Impreza! I only wish before the 21:00 mark, as you had the crank pulley bolt inside while replacing the components, you mentioned that once you put that crank pulley bolt in all the way, it wont come out with a regular socket. I needed to use an impact, specifically a Milwaukee right angle impact becuase of the tight clearance, in order to get the bolt to come out of the crank pulley. I was surprised nobody mentioned this because its a big "DOH" moment when you try to unscrew it with a socket and the engine simply rotates. Maybe you can whack a hammer and rotate but I doubt it, and you may damage the radiator fins.
Very clear video. I would have preferred if you would have explained instead of just writing your steps. Thank you. I don't trust my mechanical ability, so I will pay someone to do my 09 Forester next month.
Thanks for ALL the great help....just doing a quick re freash on a EJ253 ...pulled rockers and replaced valve seals only. followed all specs on the rocker install and head placement. BUT trying to now line up marks to install timing belt and the cam sprockets on both side are "stiff" and then seem to "spring" past the timing marks....what in the world did I do wrong? Didnt think there was a wrong way to install the rocker shafts? Thanks again
Thanks so much for the video. Just finished doing the timing belt, tensioner, idlers and water pump on an 09 Impreza SOHC. Your video was extremely helpful. However, because it is too much to expect that things go smoothly, now that it's all back together I see that there is a square-ish 'L' shaped seal that is supposed to be pressed in to the left side of the water pump body (when looking from the front of the car). It looks like it maybe helps seal off between the side of the pump and the block - is this to keep dust and debris out of the timing belt compartment? Is it critical (I know, I know, it's a seal therefore important, but I'm really hoping not to have to take everything apart again... Thanks, am hoping you'll be able to answer this. Thanks for all your videos.
You are a LIFE SAVER! Do you have a way to confirm that I will have this exact timing belt process? Where is the "EJ253" labeled? I have the 2012 Outback 4-cyl 2.5i (2.5 Liter SOHC SMPI 16-valve boxer) ... early 2012, so the belt not a chain. Thank you so very much!
Excellent tutorial as always. I used your other vids for center dif & propeller shaft (U-joint) replacement/repair, Front suspension replacement and other do-dads. This tutorial should work for my '01 OB limited. Also watched your Timing belt kit selection vids and I agree 100% on using quality OEM or Aftermarket parts. Bearings may be the most inexpensive component, but buying the cheapest would be costly in the long run. "Step over a dollar to pick up a dime" is not always the best practice. I do need you help on a pesky Engine code: Fwd O2 sensor bank Lean. I think there's a vacuum leak. I've been scouring the web and forums, if you have any info or links to yours or other vids. I would greatly appreciate it.
I’m in the middle of doing my daughter’s 2012 Subaru Legacy timing belt replacement and I’m using your video as a guide and I have a question, do I have to reset the new Aisin tensioner I’m installing? The Aisin instructions regarding the tensioner are confusing, not sure if the reset is for used or new tensioners, I saw a video where someone actually reset a new one. The most difficult part of the timing belt replacement so far has been the timing belt cover bolts, mine were all rusted and one of the I had use vice grips to get it off it just wouldn’t come off. I recommend ordering new cover bolts ahead of time because you don’t want to put the rusted ones back in. Thanks for doing the video, very helpful.
I've never reset a new tensioner. Bolt it on, pull the pin and go. Yea, new covers are good to have. New cover gaskets are usually a must. Most have some oil on them and swell and loose their shape.
@@MrSubaru1387 where do you recommend finding replacement bolts for timing components? the toothed/geared idler pulley that sits by the water pump on lower left (drivers side) on my 2003 2.5L EJ253 had its bearings fail, chewing up the bolt and bolt hole that holds it in place, and I've been looking high and low to find kits that include the bolts, or the bolt i need singly, and have been frustrated and surprised at finding nothing...what say u? and thank you for your vids, so thorough and respectful and refreshing--your commitment to open source this once-occulted information
Thanks @MrSubaru1387 for this video! I'm about halfway through this job and your instructions have been extremely helpful. I unfortunately dropped and damaged one of the new idlers, so it will be a day or two before I can wrap it up. I have two questions. 1) When you turned the engine over 2x after replacing the belt, I noticed that the crank pulley was re-installed. Is this necessary when turning over the engine? It needs to be removed again to replace the cover, so just checking to be sure I don't miss a step. 2) When lining up the belt marks, the passenger side cam moved every so slightly clockwise (almost like a small click). When lining the belt, it clicked back into place counter-clockwise without any effort. My understanding is that so long as the crank is in the service position, the cams can move without any worry of damage/interference, but wanted to check to be sure. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Glad to be of help. No, the crank pulley doesn't have to be in place to test spin the engine. Yes, the passenger side cam will be in a "floating" position when the timing mark is set. It won't cause any trouble to move it a small amount either way.
Thanks. Looking forward to getting it wrapped up. Also, for anyone tackling this job, I would recommend checking the condition of the bolts holding on the timing belt cover if you live in an area where rust is prevalent. Removing the bottom cover bolts took a significant amount of time, and two of the bolts ended up seized in the cover, requiring a replacement in my case. I would recommend ordering new bolts ahead of time if the condition is poor upon inspection.
@@MrSubaru1387 i made it to the point of trying to hand turn the engine and it feels completely stuck--is there something creating a vacuum-type air lock? or did i screw something up?? thanks mr subaru you r the subi Boss
@@shunkamniik4813 that's not good. If the engine is seizing in place, you may have the timing out and a valve could be contacting a piston. Now, there is some force needed to turn the engine over due to the compression of the engine. It should turn against compression, but won't feel like it's seized or locked up.
@@MrSubaru1387 thanks for being so on it bro...shitsticks...well...i had the belt off and was struggling to align the problem driver side cam, and i did some probably sloppy turns of the crank and cams seperately (no belt)... the whole time that driver's side cam has been very tough to move, and herky jerky when it does... i have it all closed up, what is the best course of action do you think? open her back up, and then..? i didnt remove spark plugs, could that have anything to do with it? also, i did an oil change, could that have affected it somehow? it wasnt stuck prior to that, but also that was when i may have "over turned" that driver side cam pulley, but im really not sure and im afraid to try to crank the engine... as a side note, ive been stranded with this issue for 3 weeks, am broke and anxious to get the car going, and to top it off, this '03 has 220,000 miles, needs the head gaskets replaced, and that driver's side is definitely more shot judging by the oil stains... thanks so much for your consultation my friend, i feel so blessed and in awe of this platform and good folks like u being willing to help troubleshoot
Great video. I'll be doing this in about 6 months on my 09 Forester. The car had a head gasket job at 78K under extended warranty by the dealer, and I paid for new idlers, belt and pump. If the crank and cam seals are not leaking would you leave them alone? or change as part of the timing belt service. If I don't see the water pump leaking I'm thinking of not changing it, they don't fail catastrophically. I plan on replacing the belt, idlers and tensioner. The car has 174K miles, so will be due at 183K miles
Just do the full kit. No reason not to replace the pump while in there. The pump can seize, burn the belt, and cause it to snap. It happens. I've seen it. For the cost of the cam and crank seal, might as well be safe and replace them as well.
@@MrSubaru1387 thanks, i'll order the two ASF seal tools to make it easier. I can always sell them on ebay later if i trade the car in. I used to own Volvo 850s and used two longer metric studs, threaded them finger tight into the block, then slipped the gasket and pump on the studs for alignment, threaded a few bolts in, then replaced the studs with bolts and completed the torquing.
Love the instructions, thanks a bunch. Did you end up having any through-holes for the water pump that needed some sealer on the bolts? Is that something you would recommend?
Great Video! I've got a question for you. I recently replaced all of the Cooling Components(Radiator, water pump, thermostat, hoses and Super Coolant) with new parts from Subaru on my 2011 Outback 2.5i Premium after watching your videos which helped out greatly. Immediately after starting the engine, the Top Radiator Hose and Heater Hoses are really hot with in a minute or two and the there's heat coming out of the Dash Heater on Defrost almost instantly. The top Hose stays really hot while the lower hose barely get warm after several minutes. What's the possibility of the water pump and thermostat being bad or not working properly from the dealer? I am using the Lisle Spill Free Funnel after your suggestion and I was thinking of taking the thermostat housing off after draining the new coolant and checking the impellors on the pump and testing the thermostat and possibly not putting the thermostat back in to see if it still gets that hot after starting. any suggestion or help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this video! I have been going back and forth whether I should attempt this myself for months, and I can *now say ... it was not that hard, because of YOUR instructions! At 133k on our 2010 Outback, it was time; although the OEM belt looked flawless. If you take your time, I would equate the difficultly level to drum brakes lol (although takes much more time). The hardest part for me was getting the bolt for the toothed idler on the water pump started. I think I actually cried for a second, then the auto mechanic gods felt sorry for me, and let me get is started! Thanks again.
Thank you Mr. Subaru for such a great video! I hope you will be doing something similar for the FB20 engine on how to get to the timing chain cover. Thank you very much!!!
Man i looked for hours on this vehicle that my neighbor asked me for help im very good at what i do but this was my first suby and man i think i put the thermostat the wrong way 😂 i didn't see when i removed it because it felt off so I didn't get a look but thanks to you I'll look tomorrow 😅
Thank you for this video.I own subaru legacy premium 2011.Now it has 130 000 miles on it.I bought 2 years ago with 110 000 miles on it . I don,t see on my records preowner have had replace timing belt. So I have to replace or not.
I have this same vehicle :) If it's not too late, would you consider including a Parts List (with Subaru Part Numbers too) in the description? I know that you typically video the part prior to taking it from the box, showing us the Part Number (thanks!), but I also think a Master List in the description would be awesome. I would use it as a reference check against what the guy at the Subaru Parts Counter is looking up in the schematics for me, and making sure it coincides (especially for a big commitment job like this one). Thanks for your consideration!
That kit will not fit on the Forester, I bought the same kit and the pump is missing the fitting that goes to the oil cooler. I would recommend for any other Ej253, very good quality. Great video too!
hey there, Just wondering if this same procedure and timing belt kit apply to a ej252 Model I have in my 2004 subaru impreza 2.5l? If you could lead me in the right direction that would be so handy👍
Here we go, time to study. So far between my 06 forester and 12 legacy both ej253's I've changed two cv axles, two links, two ball joints and two tie rod ends. Pretty easy stuff so this will be the real test!
Mr. Subaru! I recently did a leak down test, with these results. 1: 21%, 2:30%, 3:20% and 4:32%. I did a compression test, 1,2,3 were at 180 psi and 4 was at 175. I had a very difficult time finding tdc, I had to turn the crank to the perfect spot, so I opened the timing belt case. I noticed the notches did not line up once when I balanced tdc on the leak down test. The intake and exhaust were leaking air on every cylinder (this I believe means my timing belt needs to be done). Any suggestions on what I should do? With good compression results I'm crossing my fingers the valves and cylinders are in decent shape and I didn't see bubbles in the radiator. I'm continuing to study this video, but I'm nervous!
Hello ! 1.) Does the plastic timing belt cover(s) have replaceable gaskets on them to keep the road-crud out? 2.) My 2011 OB 2.5 is approaching 180k. I'm going to do everything you did in this vid (timing belt, waterpump, pulleys), PLUS cam/crank seals. While I'm in that deep, do you think I should also just go ahead and replace the oil pump? Currently I have NO leaks from any of the above, nor any code issues. ** I did the rocker cover gaskets and sparkplug tube seals last summer thanks to you!
I wouldn't touch the oil pump, unless it is leaking between the oil pump and block. Yes there are gaskets for the timing covers. I'd probably replace the crank and cam seals while in there.
I am a recently new subscriber to the channel. I have a 2009 Forrester (manual) that needs a new timing belt. Is this tutorial similar? Or is there another video I should watch? Thanks for posting great content.
question for everyone, i just had to make an emergency surgery into the timing guts of my '03 sohc outback that is at 218,000 miles...the toothed idler had its bearings fail, and then cracked the timing belt cover, but by some miracle it didnt break the belt, however, turning the engine to get both cams and the crankshaft to all 3 line up is a bit challenging with that busted component...what do yall think? is it best if i slap the broken pulley back on to try to rotate them into proper position??
What happens if timing marks move a little while removing the belt? Simple as realigning marks with the belt off. Just curious. Was gonna give this a try after Christmas on my 2004 forester x. Thanks for all the helpful videos!
@@MrSubaru1387 much appreciated. Thanks. Had a hard time finding an Aisin complete kit for my particular year. But with your advice I was able to find a similar kit, minus the water pump from smart quality. NSK pulley, mitsuboshi belt, etc. Water pump and thermostat from Subaru parts.com. Thanks for the shared knowledge!
One thing I have yet to find on TH-cam are the things that could be done incorrectly, which may ruin an engine by causing the piston heads to hit the valves, etc. Whether it be right away, or what may cause a timing belt to "jump teeth" while in operation, several thousands of miles later, as mine did in my '05 Subaru Legacy 2.5i.
Hello MrSubaru1387. I really like your videos. For now I have just been watching because my 2011 outback 2.5i cvt has not given me any trouble. I drive it little (only 52,000 miles). But that might changes soon, where I need to get my hands dirty. At my last inspection at the local dealer, he recommended changing the timing belt and tensioner due to age of car. Should the water pump be replaced as well. What is an average price for this work? Thank you!
Hi, I'm having problems keeping the drivers side cam gear in correct position and getting the toothed sprocket around the timing belt. Any tips on how you do that would be greatly appreciated.
So I had the same issue as your brother’s car. Left me stranded on the highway, got it home. Replaced the thermostat again. Seems like it doesn’t open till 200 degrees??? I did the bleed air step and the coolant was boiling over a lot and a long while before the thermostat finally opened. Engine block got 190’s?? Heat worked intermittently. What’s going on here? Water pump was replaced 7k ago. As was the thermostat…
YIKES, I hope this post helps someone else. I was halfway through this job today. Upon inspecting/ comparing the asin water pump with the original, they're different! I had ordered the tkf-006 kit. I cannot describe it accurately, but basically my EJ-253 has an additional coolant hose line enter the water pump(2 not 3 like the turbo). I am not certain, but after some research I found the oem pump similar to mine. Part #21111aa290.
I'm irritated the parts department is closed on Sunday. @mrsubaru any idea why this happened? I was way overdue on this service, all my idlers were super raspy. I tried contacting Aisin to confirm that I had ordered the right kit. But I'm bummed I never heard back. I'm 99% certain I don't have a turbo, so I'm almost certain I shouldn't have gotten the tkf-004
@@MrSubaru1387 hmm, I ordered the kit from aisin/amazon, and used their site to determine what kit to get. I'm not sure if I needed to or could have specified with my Amazon order. Thank you for the feedback/ reassurance. I've been really studying everything, and am surprised that the Haynes repair manual didn't specify either, unless I missed it... I am irritated I'm not done, and had to use the loading bay at work to stay warm (in MA). But I really hope the dealership has this part in stock. If not, should I reinstall the old visually ok water pump or roll the dice with gates? This forester is at 214k miles, all the idlers were raspy, the tensioner was leaking hydraulic fluid and the thermostat gasket was a bit melted in the water pump. I'm practicing on my 06 forester now, gotta do my gf's 12 legacy next. Messing around with these cars have become my new covid hobby. You rock!
At then end, after rotating the engine and checking the timing marks, assume you remove the crank bolt, install the cover, then install the pulley and bolt. Has the crank gear ever slipped when you do this?
Hello, what is your recommendation for the camshaft and crankshaft/oil pump housing seals when doing the timing belt? Is it necessary to do those or leave them alone if they are not leaking? Mine is a 2011 impreza 2.5i N/A SOHC with 101k miles. I am planning on doing the timing belt soon. I think I can handle doing the seals if I get the seal puller/installer tool, my only concern is removing the oil pump (for the oil pump inlet o-ring) and having to use liquid gasket when installing
Question: what does it mean and what to do if the timing marks wont line up before taking off old belt? When the crank is aligned at noon position the cams are both about 3 teeth past the position. Everything has gone smoothly until this and theres no information on the internet to troubleshoot this exact issue? Every video, including this one simply show a quick and easy timing pully alignment.
great video! I also need to replace the timing belt on my 2009 Legacy. Do you recommend replacing the water pump as well? The official service just told me not to chnage the water pump.
The only man on earth to work on a car without saying a single swear word 😂 nice video bro, really helpful!
When your that good , words aren't needed
Have watched hundreds of repair videos on YT and this is perhaps the best ever. Why do these other authors have an absurd intro with loud music that NO ONE cares about? Having the process typed out versus orally explaining is top notch as well. MrSubaru1387 rocks! Oh, and the Aisin part tip is :)
Just stopping by to say thanks. This is an $1100 service at my local dealer. For about $250 in parts your video makes this an easy job to follow along with. Much appreciated!
+tfineis you're very welcome! 👍
I replaced the belt and waterpump with an Aisin kit on my 09 last Saturday. The replacement went exactly like your video. Everything came apart easily, and assembly the same. It is surprising how low 28ftlbs feels when torquing the idlers. I used a new crank bolt, oiled the bolt and set my digital torque wrench to 55 degrees. Then checked with the clicker that I had at least 105 ft lbs. It was 40 degrees in my garage with the door open, took almost as long to bleed the cooling system waitin for the thermostat to open as the mechanical part of the job. Your video was a great help!
What if I have a normal torque wrench without the degree options can't I just torque it to spec and leave it?
Idk if I'm posting too much, but I just finished my second ej253 timing belt service today. No problems! Lightweight brag, but also another thank you!
I'm basically done doing basic service on both a 06 forester and 12 legacy. Idk what I'm gonna do with my free time now!
Finally was able to do it. Was scared as heck and had the help of my brother-in-law. But we managed and got it done. I feel so good. Thank you Mr Subaru for everything. Also for anyone I recommend definitely purchasing the specialty tool to remove the crank bolt and the no spill coolant reservoir. Both made the job super easy and manageable. Take your time, be positive, focus, and enjoy the process.
...How long did it actually take you to do the job? I’m looking at doing my first one.
@@82dupont it took about 5 hours (took our time). Hardest part putting in water pump because the gasket moves around and getting ac belt on.
@@determineddad7935 ...Thank you for quick response, definitely going to give it a shot. I’m only giving it a try because dealer price is insanely high. Not criticizing them just sticker shock.
@@82dupont Yeah it cost around $1500 I hear. Best wishes man. Have faith in yourself, take your time, and enjoy the process.
@@determineddad7935 ...All done, took me about 7 hrs, that includes coolant and burping the engine. Purchased some gasket maker for water pumps and put a bead around water pump, pressed gasket against it and gasket never moved.
Had a scare when coolant that was on exhaust started to burn off, I though water pump failed.
I was quoted $1800 for this job, I spent $500 in tools and parts for job, bought a 3/8 torque wrench came in incredibly handy and company 23 crank pulley tool.
Thanks for videos, they are a great help!
Awesome man. Thanks! One note: while the rad overflow tank is off, clean it thoroughly to remove sediment from the bottom. All that new fluid will be contaminated with the residual gunk. You may be helping out with recruiting subaru technicians. Good work!
Fantastic video. I do a lot of my own car work and like most home gamers, consult TH-cam whenever I do something new. This is one of the best "how to" vids I've seen. Thanks much!
+Philbo Dale you're welcome. Glad to help.
Thanks MrSubaru1387. I have just replaced the timing belt, pulleys and water pump on my Forester with the EJ251. Your video came in handy when I couldn't work out which order to put the pulleys on with the belt in place. Also a tip from me. You can use clothes line pegs to help keep the belt in place on the camshaft gears.
plain and basic with detailed instructions, not a bad "how to" at all, well thought out and clear.
The comments section here is golden :)
you guys have been such a help, thanks to all.
Glad you found the video helpful. 👍🏻
Returning to this thread as I just wrapped up this job successfully today using your detailed instructions! Great reference for anyone attempting this repair.
In addition to the rusty timing cover bolts I encountered, the only other struggle I ran into was putting on the toothed water pump pulley. I'm sure it's easier the second time, but getting it positioned and the bolt started took a number of tries. I tried a few other options in putting that on first and the two other idlers last, and do not recommend that. Extremely difficult to keep the belt and passenger cam gear in position and no easier to get bolts started. Follow this guide with patience and it will eventually line-up.
Hopefully all set for another 105k miles!
Glad you were able to successfully finish the job! 👍
Yes, I wasted an hour and a half on that cog. I was convinced the belt was too short.
Nobody will see this but when trying to remove the crank pully position the tools closer together use grip strenth and not brute force my grandfather taught me this working on wind waterpumps/windmill esc waterpumps
A TIP: Before you set time aside to do this job, look underneath the hood and check your timing belt cover bolts. I have 190k on my Outback and I'm from the Rust belt. I spent many extra hours getting those rusted bolts out. I replaced them with M6-1.00 20 bolts. I don't believe my Outback had ever had the timing belt and water pump done, wayyy overdue. Totally worth it. The kit is perfect and the crank pulley tool worked perfectly, I found one on amazon for $28 instead of the $70 tool he has listed.
Thanks MrSubaru1387 for another fine video! I will LITERALLY have my laptop sitting on top of the engine bay for reference as I'm performing this replacement !!
You're welcome.
Thanks for the video big help. Only thing id add is that in any car that sees snow, the lower timing cover bolts may be a pain to get off. If the 10mm heads rounded, i was able to use a 3/8 and tap it on to remove them. May be wise to buy new bolts prior to starting this project.
The tool worked great
Thanks for this "A Quiet Place" meets Subaru timing belt video! I am confident enough now to do mine! Great job!
I kinda dig the neighbor going hard with the chainsaw in the background to be honest. Very helpful info all across your channel, thanks for the enlightening content.
Bought 2008 outback with 77k just did timing belt and water pump @ 154000 with help of your video and tips. Greatly appreciate the videos and learning to do my own maintainece.
I would like to add to this great video the following:
1. The belt's fit is very very tight, it stretches very little if anything and it's ribbed.
2. Hence, when you get it on on all the cogs, it gets divided into runs witch can stretch only within the run
3. when you do the belt on the car, even if you remove fans, you do not have visibility of all the holes where the bolts go
4. all together you need to install 1 x tensioner, 1 x cog idler, 2 x smooth idlers, top and bottom ones.
5. when you are installing the idlers and the tensioner, you have to stretch the belt (some strength is required) and fit the holding bolt into the hole you don't see - and that is not easy to do for some of them.
6. you have to start the bolts with your hand to make sure it's square fit, otherwise the steel bolts will make some mess with your aluminium engine.
So the above were just observations, and now are a couple of statements:
1. the cog pulley next to water pump and the tensioner are absolutely worst to fit in, so do them first.
MrSubaru fits the tensioner and the top idler first - that might not work for you, as the cog pulley is a dog to fit, being close to the water pump and not enough belt to stretch.
2. After you have fit the tensioner and the cog idler, install the top idler, as it's got nice long run of the belt to stretch, and then, the bottom idler, as it also has a nice long run to stretch.
That is the only way to work for me.
The EJ 25 SOHC engines are by far my favorite to work on. Great video!
Thank you and I was able to replaced mine (2011 Outback 2.4)with the guidance of this video. Just an FYI to all - when I used subaru 78 degree Thermostat -, the Check Engine light (steady) Traction, Brake and cruise started blinking- even after resets it keeps coming back And the only way that I was able to clear it is to replace it with 88 degree thermostat and the warning messages all went away
One comment about the Company 23 crank pulley tool...on my 2008 Forester I rested one end on the frame rail, made it very easy to unscrew the crank bolt. Then use the other frame rail when reinstalling.
You can also secure the ratchet against the frame rail or something and hit the starter to break the bolt loose. Disable the ignition first. lol. A 7/8" socket also fits the 22mm bolt, in case you don't have a metric socket that size. Can also use an old alternator belt. Loop it around the alternator, and fold the slack over on itself against the left side of the crank pulley. This will bind the crank pulley, so the bolt can be removed. It puts a crease in the belt, so it's best to use an old one.
Comming from a mechanic to obviously skilled young man with finesse and attention you deserve a thumbs up buddy and I would hire you any day++++
+Blue Floyd thank you. Glad you enjoy the videos. 👍
I can vouch for the Company 23 crank pulley wrench. I am working on a 2012 Outback. My Harbor Freight stubby impact wrench and my Harbor Freight full size impact wrenches both failed to loosen the crank pulley bolt. I was able to engage the Company 23 wrench in the pulley and rest it on the frame under the air box, and use a breaker bar and iron pipe and the bolt came right out, no damage to the bolts the Company 23 wrench came with. My first timing belt install, going good so far!
I recently helped a guy who had a Gates kit installed 8 months ago (not by me!). His tensioner pulley had already failed. Definitely agree, ONLY buy Aisin or Conti kits!
I followed your directions to the letter. Great video and changed my timing belt myself. Thanks for making these videos brother!
You're welcome 👍🏻
Made it to 187000kms on timing belt #o.e.m. lol . Was 2mm under thickness, tensioner was crying a bit. Timing was who knows. But followed Mr.S' direction and worth every moment of inner peace😂
And the most stressful part of all this is when you turn the key....great video, thinking of doing my 2011
So.. that car was 6-7 years old when this video was published? It's immaculate! I wish 6-7 year old cars looked like that in my neck of the woods. If they aren't covered in rust by that age they are caked with years of Krown/Rustchek and the accompanying grime.
Looks the same today at 215k miles. My brother still owns it.
As an alternative to messing with the cooling fans, you can just pull the entire radiator and get a couple more inches to work in. Useful if you don't have a power ratchet and want to cram a driver tool in there.
On the crank bolt:
- On older cars that have already had a timing service, I've seen a few crank pulley bolts that are *BENT* because of god knows what the last guy did. They also tend to be waaay tighter than they really need to be. Just buy a new bolt - they're Subaru-only, but they're like $3-5.
If you're using this for an older engine that still has two serpentine belts:
- You may as well go ahead and buy a replacement air conditioning idler. I have *NEVER* seen one where the bearing wasn't shot. Dayco part 89029 is a high quality replacement with a good bearing and, unlike the OEM part, the pulley is *metal*. Really. Don't neglect it. I've seen one cause a timing belt break because the bearing on the A/C idler pulley let go, the belt carved a gash in the timing cover and tore the timing belt.
- You'll also want a belt tension measurement tool. You can't just eyeball these - you'll either have them slipping like crazy or side load the bearings to death.
On manual transmission cars:
- Some but not all manual cars will have a little 'guard' shroud bolted on around the crank sprocket. Remove it to service the timing belt. It's there to prevent the timing belt from skipping teeth under shock load if you stall the engine or dump the clutch. When you reinstall it, it should be close enough to the belt that the belt will not be able to rise up out of the tooth grooves and skip. It should *NOT* touch the belt. Occasionally you see these on automatic cars that have had a replacement engine.
As it regards the crank pulley tool:
-You DEFINITELY need it, and you definitely want the Company23 one, not the knockoffs available for half the price. The harmonic balancers actually vary a bit in size and the cheap ones *will not seat inside* some of them on the smaller end and you'll end up bending/breaking the bolts on the tool.
Note for 2022 on the coolant:
- Definitely ignore Subaru's ridiculous coolant fill procedure. It's a recipe for dumping $50 in coolant on the ground. This guy's is fine and accomplishes the same thing. Yes, you do want the big bucket funnel thing. They're like thirty bucks on Amazon.
- If you're not reusing your old coolant, you can probably only get the blue Subaru "Super Coolant" these days. For this stuff, you don't need the conditioner. It's godawful expensive, though. Since you'll end up with a mix of this and the old coolant, you should continue to use the service interval for the old coolant. Once you've changed it 2 times, you can switch over to using the much higher service interval for the super coolant cars.
my 2011 legacy is getting a new timing belt. $900.00 bill, I can see why. Thank you for posting.
Aisin kit is $225 plus shipping off Rock Auto. That's a lot of labor for something an amateur can accomplish within half a day. Just did mine for the first time and it wasn't that bad. Crank bolt is 22mm, or 7/8" in American. There are tricks for loosening it without that tool. Long 90 degree bent needle nose pliers are handy for hose clamps. But, this is a key job, and if a person does not feel comfortable with it, it can be best to leave it with someone who does. Good Luck
@@n2omike yeah that’s pretty fair. My aunts former 2010 Outback needed a timing belt service and our cousin was able to get her a deal with his mechanic and he did the job for $750. Which was amazingly inexpensive for that job!
Thank you for the video! It helped me change the timing belt on my newly acquired 2010 Outback. It had 202K miles on the original timing belt.
Great video! I’m at 101k getting ready to do mine. I wish my engine bay looked this nice!
Good luck on the repair!
MrSubaru1387 Thanks! Where’s a good place to get the Aisin kit?
I buy them on Amazon.
@@MrSubaru1387 $225 on Rock Auto. Mine also had $25 shipping.
Another great video. I have stopped using Gates altogether like many others. I hope they will see it on their bottom line in a couple of years. I still use SKF wheel bearings and timing belt kits (generally NTN or Koyo components). I will look into Aisin next time. Many of the formerly "reputable" aftermarket brands are clogging the market with the same no-name "premium" components in different wrappings. I have recently seen rubber CV boots ("OE quality") failing after three years of use - OE are like 10-15 years.
I second that! Best auto repair video I've ever seen. You've set the standard...Well done!
Man, that was a big effen tree.
Great video and I like the way you show step by step procedures in your videos. You do very nice work!
Thank you.
Thanks for helping me with this video. I did mine on new year's eve. The water pump gave me the biggest headache. But its been running great. Appreciate you. Saved me alot of labor costs. You da man!
Thank you for this video. It took me a bit more than 32 minutes to do the job, but it all went perfectly.
this with a coolant flush is next on my list. Thanks again for your rad videos!! no one else does em like this for Subarus.
Best instructions ever, my 2010 forester non turbo snapped the timing belt while I was driving, my mechanic told me if he’s was able to manually turn the crankshaft to full rotation as you did ( camshaft as well) He did and told most likely nothing bad happened to the engine. I order the parts he installed. Now there’s a sound of no compression. Is there’s a chance of being out of time be the cause ?
Hell yeah! Dude, very impressive how you powered through that crank bolt!
God bless you for no b******* music or introducing your wife.
I changed my belt this weekend thanks to your video. Thanks!
I was flying along through this job until it came time to put the water pump cog on. I seriously thought I had been shipped a belt that was too short. No matter how hard I tried I could not get all three hatch marks on the belt to line up exactly. Then when it came time to put the cog on...Christ, what an ordeal. That belt is strung tight. I have done the timing belt on a BMW e30 and that was cake compared to this.
Thanks for recommending the Aisin kit. I had such a hard time when I was looking for mine and nearly went gates until I heard they were using cheapo Chinese bearings. I went subaru dealer direct for the kit and never heard of aisin so good to know for next time!
2011 Outback with 120k. No issues with any leaks, should I replace the Water pump since I’m in there or just swap out the belt? Thanks for the vids! Life saver for this Subaru owner!!
Swap everything. Water pump, idlers, tensioner, belt.
I love your Precision. Every bolt with correct Nm.
+CivicNigga every fastener has a specified torque for a reason. The engineers have made that figure for reason. The best repair practice is to leave no evidence that a repair has been done. Make it like OE and you shouldn't have issue.
Well, I did this job 6 months ago with a GATES timing belt kit. Please go with what MrSubaru recommends here. One of my timing idler bearings is already bad. Luckily the part is under warranty but the job is just annoying to do after hoping I wouldn't be back into it for 100k miles. Stick with the Aisin kit. Apparently even GATES uses cheap bearings now.
Very good informative video. I have a 2011 Subaru Impreza 2.5i and I think this is the exact same procedure for my vehicle?
Awesome video used this for my 09 Impreza! I only wish before the 21:00 mark, as you had the crank pulley bolt inside while replacing the components, you mentioned that once you put that crank pulley bolt in all the way, it wont come out with a regular socket. I needed to use an impact, specifically a Milwaukee right angle impact becuase of the tight clearance, in order to get the bolt to come out of the crank pulley. I was surprised nobody mentioned this because its a big "DOH" moment when you try to unscrew it with a socket and the engine simply rotates. Maybe you can whack a hammer and rotate but I doubt it, and you may damage the radiator fins.
Very clear video. I would have preferred if you would have explained instead of just writing your steps. Thank you. I don't trust my mechanical ability, so I will pay someone to do my 09 Forester next month.
I have air tools, question for you, can I just use a high torque impact wrench without using the crank pulley holding tool? Great video!
Thanks for ALL the great help....just doing a quick re freash on a EJ253 ...pulled rockers and replaced valve seals only. followed all specs on the rocker install and head placement. BUT trying to now line up marks to install timing belt and the cam sprockets on both side are "stiff" and then seem to "spring" past the timing marks....what in the world did I do wrong? Didnt think there was a wrong way to install the rocker shafts? Thanks again
Great video! Wish the torque specs were in the description, but a minor point.
Thanks so much for the video. Just finished doing the timing belt, tensioner, idlers and water pump on an 09 Impreza SOHC. Your video was extremely helpful. However, because it is too much to expect that things go smoothly, now that it's all back together I see that there is a square-ish 'L' shaped seal that is supposed to be pressed in to the left side of the water pump body (when looking from the front of the car). It looks like it maybe helps seal off between the side of the pump and the block - is this to keep dust and debris out of the timing belt compartment? Is it critical (I know, I know, it's a seal therefore important, but I'm really hoping not to have to take everything apart again... Thanks, am hoping you'll be able to answer this. Thanks for all your videos.
My sweet thing 06 2.5I is getting this to day .Almost done thanks to Mr subaru 1387 Thank you sir.
Thanks for simplifying the crankshaft bolt tightening procedure. 47 N-m then 60 (+_ 5) degrees keeps it simple
You are a LIFE SAVER!
Do you have a way to confirm that I will have this exact timing belt process? Where is the "EJ253" labeled?
I have the 2012 Outback 4-cyl 2.5i (2.5 Liter SOHC SMPI 16-valve boxer) ... early 2012, so the belt not a chain.
Thank you so very much!
It's an EJ253. Look in the passenger door jamb. There's a label with engine, transmission, paint code, VIN number, etc on it.
Thanks for the great video! step by step and everything explained. Ive never seen that funnel tool before, i'll have to make one now!
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
Excellent tutorial as always. I used your other vids for center dif & propeller shaft (U-joint) replacement/repair, Front suspension replacement and other do-dads. This tutorial should work for my '01 OB limited. Also watched your Timing belt kit selection vids and I agree 100% on using quality OEM or Aftermarket parts. Bearings may be the most inexpensive component, but buying the cheapest would be costly in the long run. "Step over a dollar to pick up a dime" is not always the best practice.
I do need you help on a pesky Engine code: Fwd O2 sensor bank Lean. I think there's a vacuum leak. I've been scouring the web and forums, if you have any info or links to yours or other vids. I would greatly appreciate it.
I’m in the middle of doing my daughter’s 2012 Subaru Legacy timing belt replacement and I’m using your video as a guide and I have a question, do I have to reset the new Aisin tensioner I’m installing? The Aisin instructions regarding the tensioner are confusing, not sure if the reset is for used or new tensioners, I saw a video where someone actually reset a new one.
The most difficult part of the timing belt replacement so far has been the timing belt cover bolts, mine were all rusted and one of the I had use vice grips to get it off it just wouldn’t come off. I recommend ordering new cover bolts ahead of time because you don’t want to put the rusted ones back in. Thanks for doing the video, very helpful.
I've never reset a new tensioner. Bolt it on, pull the pin and go. Yea, new covers are good to have. New cover gaskets are usually a must. Most have some oil on them and swell and loose their shape.
@@MrSubaru1387 where do you recommend finding replacement bolts for timing components? the toothed/geared idler pulley that sits by the water pump on lower left (drivers side) on my 2003 2.5L EJ253 had its bearings fail, chewing up the bolt and bolt hole that holds it in place, and I've been looking high and low to find kits that include the bolts, or the bolt i need singly, and have been frustrated and surprised at finding nothing...what say u?
and thank you for your vids, so thorough and respectful and refreshing--your commitment to open source this once-occulted information
Usually purchase from the dealer.
@@MrSubaru1387 ok, thanks for getting back to me so fast.
Would you recommend replacing the thermostat when you do this at 98xxx miles? Thanks for your great videos man, please keep em coming! 🙏
Yes. No reason not to preemptively replace it while the cooling system is open.
@@MrSubaru1387 thank you!
watch many video of how to and this got to be the clearest how-to without all the nonsense blabbering... well-done..., and THANK YOU!
Thanks @MrSubaru1387 for this video! I'm about halfway through this job and your instructions have been extremely helpful. I unfortunately dropped and damaged one of the new idlers, so it will be a day or two before I can wrap it up.
I have two questions. 1) When you turned the engine over 2x after replacing the belt, I noticed that the crank pulley was re-installed. Is this necessary when turning over the engine? It needs to be removed again to replace the cover, so just checking to be sure I don't miss a step. 2) When lining up the belt marks, the passenger side cam moved every so slightly clockwise (almost like a small click). When lining the belt, it clicked back into place counter-clockwise without any effort. My understanding is that so long as the crank is in the service position, the cams can move without any worry of damage/interference, but wanted to check to be sure.
Looking forward to more of your videos!
Glad to be of help. No, the crank pulley doesn't have to be in place to test spin the engine. Yes, the passenger side cam will be in a "floating" position when the timing mark is set. It won't cause any trouble to move it a small amount either way.
Thanks. Looking forward to getting it wrapped up.
Also, for anyone tackling this job, I would recommend checking the condition of the bolts holding on the timing belt cover if you live in an area where rust is prevalent. Removing the bottom cover bolts took a significant amount of time, and two of the bolts ended up seized in the cover, requiring a replacement in my case. I would recommend ordering new bolts ahead of time if the condition is poor upon inspection.
@@MrSubaru1387 i made it to the point of trying to hand turn the engine and it feels completely stuck--is there something creating a vacuum-type air lock? or did i screw something up?? thanks mr subaru you r the subi Boss
@@shunkamniik4813 that's not good. If the engine is seizing in place, you may have the timing out and a valve could be contacting a piston. Now, there is some force needed to turn the engine over due to the compression of the engine. It should turn against compression, but won't feel like it's seized or locked up.
@@MrSubaru1387 thanks for being so on it bro...shitsticks...well...i had the belt off and was struggling to align the problem driver side cam, and i did some probably sloppy turns of the crank and cams seperately (no belt)...
the whole time that driver's side cam has been very tough to move, and herky jerky when it does...
i have it all closed up, what is the best course of action do you think? open her back up, and then..?
i didnt remove spark plugs, could that have anything to do with it?
also, i did an oil change, could that have affected it somehow? it wasnt stuck prior to that, but also that was when i may have "over turned" that driver side cam pulley, but im really not sure and im afraid to try to crank the engine...
as a side note, ive been stranded with this issue for 3 weeks, am broke and anxious to get the car going, and to top it off, this '03 has 220,000 miles, needs the head gaskets replaced, and that driver's side is definitely more shot judging by the oil stains...
thanks so much for your consultation my friend, i feel so blessed and in awe of this platform and good folks like u being willing to help troubleshoot
Great video. I'll be doing this in about 6 months on my 09 Forester. The car had a head gasket job at 78K under extended warranty by the dealer, and I paid for new idlers, belt and pump. If the crank and cam seals are not leaking would you leave them alone? or change as part of the timing belt service. If I don't see the water pump leaking I'm thinking of not changing it, they don't fail catastrophically. I plan on replacing the belt, idlers and tensioner. The car has 174K miles, so will be due at 183K miles
Just do the full kit. No reason not to replace the pump while in there. The pump can seize, burn the belt, and cause it to snap. It happens. I've seen it. For the cost of the cam and crank seal, might as well be safe and replace them as well.
@@MrSubaru1387 thanks, i'll order the two ASF seal tools to make it easier. I can always sell them on ebay later if i trade the car in. I used to own Volvo 850s and used two longer metric studs, threaded them finger tight into the block, then slipped the gasket and pump on the studs for alignment, threaded a few bolts in, then replaced the studs with bolts and completed the torquing.
You're Awesome Sir. Thank you, God Bless! Question Is there other way to take out the crank pulley bolt without the Crank Pulley Holding Tool?
Love the instructions, thanks a bunch.
Did you end up having any through-holes for the water pump that needed some sealer on the bolts? Is that something you would recommend?
Great Video! I've got a question for you. I recently replaced all of the Cooling Components(Radiator, water pump, thermostat, hoses and Super Coolant) with new parts from Subaru on my 2011 Outback 2.5i Premium after watching your videos which helped out greatly. Immediately after starting the engine, the Top Radiator Hose and Heater Hoses are really hot with in a minute or two and the there's heat coming out of the Dash Heater on Defrost almost instantly. The top Hose stays really hot while the lower hose barely get warm after several minutes. What's the possibility of the water pump and thermostat being bad or not working properly from the dealer? I am using the Lisle Spill Free Funnel after your suggestion and I was thinking of taking the thermostat housing off after draining the new coolant and checking the impellors on the pump and testing the thermostat and possibly not putting the thermostat back in to see if it still gets that hot after starting. any suggestion or help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this video! I have been going back and forth whether I should attempt this myself for months, and I can *now say ... it was not that hard, because of YOUR instructions! At 133k on our 2010 Outback, it was time; although the OEM belt looked flawless. If you take your time, I would equate the difficultly level to drum brakes lol (although takes much more time). The hardest part for me was getting the bolt for the toothed idler on the water pump started. I think I actually cried for a second, then the auto mechanic gods felt sorry for me, and let me get is started! Thanks again.
The crankshaft bolt was the tightest bolt I've ever gone up against (not counting rusty exhaust bolts that just snapped)
Watching this video for the 3rd time before I attempt this myself on Saturday 😅
Took 8 hours but I did it! Thank you for the video it was a huge help!
Thank you Mr. Subaru for such a great video! I hope you will be doing something similar for the FB20 engine on how to get to the timing chain cover. Thank you very much!!!
Slow and boring is perfect for this old fart. Love your videos.
+Jose Juan Borjon thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!
slow and steady , wins every time...
Thanks, good video!
It would be great if you show how to replace crankshaft's and camshafts's seals on EJ253
Thanks in advance
Yaroslav Arabok exactly. My dealer insisted on doing that. I want to do this job myself. Dealer wants over $1200 bucks to do this job.
Man i looked for hours on this vehicle that my neighbor asked me for help im very good at what i do but this was my first suby and man i think i put the thermostat the wrong way 😂 i didn't see when i removed it because it felt off so I didn't get a look but thanks to you I'll look tomorrow 😅
Thank you for this video.I own subaru legacy premium 2011.Now it has 130 000 miles on it.I bought 2 years ago with 110 000 miles on it .
I don,t see on my records preowner have had replace timing belt. So I have to replace or not.
I have this same vehicle :) If it's not too late, would you consider including a Parts List (with Subaru Part Numbers too) in the description? I know that you typically video the part prior to taking it from the box, showing us the Part Number (thanks!), but I also think a Master List in the description would be awesome. I would use it as a reference check against what the guy at the Subaru Parts Counter is looking up in the schematics for me, and making sure it coincides (especially for a big commitment job like this one). Thanks for your consideration!
Michelle K. Consider getting AISIN kit, like in video, Amazon is a good source,,,,, Subaru parts are way overpriced
That kit will not fit on the Forester, I bought the same kit and the pump is missing the fitting that goes to the oil cooler. I would recommend for any other Ej253, very good quality. Great video too!
Great video! Do you recommend anti-seize on any of the blots, or just dry other than the crank pulley bolt?
Another good video! Do you ever cut the timing belt off rather than take the lower idler off first? Water pump gasket installed dry or with a sealer?
+joepinehill never cut them off. WP gasket always dry. No sealant needed.
hey there,
Just wondering if this same procedure and timing belt kit apply to a ej252 Model I have in my 2004 subaru impreza 2.5l? If you could lead me in the right direction that would be so handy👍
Here we go, time to study. So far between my 06 forester and 12 legacy both ej253's I've changed two cv axles, two links, two ball joints and two tie rod ends. Pretty easy stuff so this will be the real test!
Going to replace both timing belt kits with aisin. Mr. Subaru you've saved me hundreds if not soon a couple thousand!
Mr. Subaru! I recently did a leak down test, with these results. 1: 21%, 2:30%, 3:20% and 4:32%. I did a compression test, 1,2,3 were at 180 psi and 4 was at 175. I had a very difficult time finding tdc, I had to turn the crank to the perfect spot, so I opened the timing belt case. I noticed the notches did not line up once when I balanced tdc on the leak down test. The intake and exhaust were leaking air on every cylinder (this I believe means my timing belt needs to be done). Any suggestions on what I should do? With good compression results I'm crossing my fingers the valves and cylinders are in decent shape and I didn't see bubbles in the radiator. I'm continuing to study this video, but I'm nervous!
I've probably watched this 20 times by now...
Hello !
1.) Does the plastic timing belt cover(s) have replaceable gaskets on them to keep the road-crud out?
2.) My 2011 OB 2.5 is approaching 180k. I'm going to do everything you did in this vid (timing belt, waterpump, pulleys), PLUS cam/crank seals. While I'm in that deep, do you think I should also just go ahead and replace the oil pump? Currently I have NO leaks from any of the above, nor any code issues.
** I did the rocker cover gaskets and sparkplug tube seals last summer thanks to you!
I wouldn't touch the oil pump, unless it is leaking between the oil pump and block. Yes there are gaskets for the timing covers. I'd probably replace the crank and cam seals while in there.
A quick question: will this kit work on a 2007 outback? Thanks for a great vid as always. Wish you the best on the new job
TKF-007
I am a recently new subscriber to the channel. I have a 2009 Forrester (manual) that needs a new timing belt. Is this tutorial similar? Or is there another video I should watch? Thanks for posting great content.
question for everyone, i just had to make an emergency surgery into the timing guts of my '03 sohc outback that is at 218,000 miles...the toothed idler had its bearings fail, and then cracked the timing belt cover, but by some miracle it didnt break the belt, however, turning the engine to get both cams and the crankshaft to all 3 line up is a bit challenging with that busted component...what do yall think? is it best if i slap the broken pulley back on to try to rotate them into proper position??
great video its like you are an asmr mechanic
Thank you.
What happens if timing marks move a little while removing the belt? Simple as realigning marks with the belt off. Just curious. Was gonna give this a try after Christmas on my 2004 forester x. Thanks for all the helpful videos!
Yeah, put them back in alignment.
@@MrSubaru1387 much appreciated. Thanks. Had a hard time finding an Aisin complete kit for my particular year. But with your advice I was able to find a similar kit, minus the water pump from smart quality. NSK pulley, mitsuboshi belt, etc. Water pump and thermostat from Subaru parts.com. Thanks for the shared knowledge!
Your respond faster than anyone I know of...thanks alot...
You're welcome.
One thing I have yet to find on TH-cam are the things that could be done incorrectly, which may ruin an engine by causing the piston heads to hit the valves, etc. Whether it be right away, or what may cause a timing belt to "jump teeth" while in operation, several thousands of miles later, as mine did in my '05 Subaru Legacy 2.5i.
Hello MrSubaru1387. I really like your videos. For now I have just been watching because my 2011 outback 2.5i cvt has not given me any trouble. I drive it little (only 52,000 miles). But that might changes soon, where I need to get my hands dirty. At my last inspection at the local dealer, he recommended changing the timing belt and tensioner due to age of car. Should the water pump be replaced as well. What is an average price for this work? Thank you!
Hi, I'm having problems keeping the drivers side cam gear in correct position and getting the toothed sprocket around the timing belt. Any tips on how you do that would be greatly appreciated.
How long does this take, start to finish? I'm a layperson. If I prep everything properly and study videos could I do this in 6 hours?
Hard to say. I can knock one out in around an hour or so. 6 hrs is doable for a beginner.
Great Video. Right level of detail and speed.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
So I had the same issue as your brother’s car. Left me stranded on the highway, got it home. Replaced the thermostat again. Seems like it doesn’t open till 200 degrees??? I did the bleed air step and the coolant was boiling over a lot and a long while before the thermostat finally opened. Engine block got 190’s??
Heat worked intermittently. What’s going on here? Water pump was replaced 7k ago. As was the thermostat…
YIKES, I hope this post helps someone else.
I was halfway through this job today. Upon inspecting/ comparing the asin water pump with the original, they're different! I had ordered the tkf-006 kit. I cannot describe it accurately, but basically my EJ-253 has an additional coolant hose line enter the water pump(2 not 3 like the turbo). I am not certain, but after some research I found the oem pump similar to mine. Part #21111aa290.
I'm irritated the parts department is closed on Sunday. @mrsubaru any idea why this happened?
I was way overdue on this service, all my idlers were super raspy. I tried contacting Aisin to confirm that I had ordered the right kit. But I'm bummed I never heard back. I'm 99% certain I don't have a turbo, so I'm almost certain I shouldn't have gotten the tkf-004
What model and year Subaru?
@@MrSubaru1387 06 forester x
There's the issue. It's a Forester. Their water pumps are different due to the oil cooler.
@@MrSubaru1387 hmm, I ordered the kit from aisin/amazon, and used their site to determine what kit to get. I'm not sure if I needed to or could have specified with my Amazon order. Thank you for the feedback/ reassurance. I've been really studying everything, and am surprised that the Haynes repair manual didn't specify either, unless I missed it... I am irritated I'm not done, and had to use the loading bay at work to stay warm (in MA). But I really hope the dealership has this part in stock. If not, should I reinstall the old visually ok water pump or roll the dice with gates? This forester is at 214k miles, all the idlers were raspy, the tensioner was leaking hydraulic fluid and the thermostat gasket was a bit melted in the water pump. I'm practicing on my 06 forester now, gotta do my gf's 12 legacy next. Messing around with these cars have become my new covid hobby. You rock!
At then end, after rotating the engine and checking the timing marks, assume you remove the crank bolt, install the cover, then install the pulley and bolt. Has the crank gear ever slipped when you do this?
Hello, what is your recommendation for the camshaft and crankshaft/oil pump housing seals when doing the timing belt? Is it necessary to do those or leave them alone if they are not leaking? Mine is a 2011 impreza 2.5i N/A SOHC with 101k miles. I am planning on doing the timing belt soon. I think I can handle doing the seals if I get the seal puller/installer tool, my only concern is removing the oil pump (for the oil pump inlet o-ring) and having to use liquid gasket when installing
Question: what does it mean and what to do if the timing marks wont line up before taking off old belt? When the crank is aligned at noon position the cams are both about 3 teeth past the position. Everything has gone smoothly until this and theres no information on the internet to troubleshoot this exact issue? Every video, including this one simply show a quick and easy timing pully alignment.
great video! I also need to replace the timing belt on my 2009 Legacy. Do you recommend replacing the water pump as well? The official service just told me not to chnage the water pump.
Always replace the belt, idler pulleys, tensioner, and pump.