@@andibathgate7662 Just had a look. Got the comments turned off... I wonder why? Just another pundit by the looks of it. Probably a nice bloke, never made a penny.
finding a reliable tipster is a lot of work and a looot of parameters have to be fullfiled. That's not because you are unable to do this work properly that you have to generalize like this.
I had 20-30 making a living off my tips for the last 5-6 years. Only recently started to not tip as over the stress of dealing with others money and not just my own. But yes agree while it’s a 0.00001 percent. It happens just need to find the right one.
The problems with "making a living" from betting is that most people use betting as a form of entertainment, are not ruthless/disciplined enough and do not have the wherewithal to survive for a year before withdrawing winnings.
When you start with a fairly small betting bank - you’ve got to compound your winnings instead of withdrawing . It’s a long term game . Give it 3 years and STOP LOOKING AT YOUR PROFIT AND LOSS .
I remember back in 2018 I was look for tips for the Grand National and I came across your TH-cam channel. You were saying to look for value instead of who you thought was going to win. I couldn't get me head around this at first, it didn't make any sense. It's sad that so many people are focused on the wrong thing, I feel genuinely sorry for people when I see them walk into a bookie now.
Yep, I’ve followed a few tipsters and I quickly learnt (after loosing money) that it was a mistake. I find that I’m better off backing my own personal choices.
Trouble with research is; everyone's researching from the same resources... the same resources bookies have (and they have more) and they have a workforce and billions on their side. Doesn't make too much sense does it.
Years ago when the Alcatel phones used to credit £10 talk time when turned on and off my mate rang the same tipping line multiple times and he was given a different winner every time for same race 😮
Great video. I was aware of the affiliation but didn't know they were taking that much. All these 10 quid to 10k guys seem to use bets that are like 1.25-1.35 too so they have a better chance of going on a streak. Giving it massive Booms when a 1.3 bet comes in! Noticed a lot of the dodgy Twitter tipsters with no public records are linked too and have the same followers all joining in with the booms to create the impression that have tons of people following their tips when in reality they are more than likely fake accounts made by themselves.
@@CaanBerryProTrader not doing much on the betting front nowadays but I'll never forget how much you helped me a few years ago when I went from MB and arbing to trading..top guy 👍
Amazing how many Free Tipsters want you to sign up to new Bookmaker Accounts so you may then access their tips, however should you already have an Account they suddendly become chargable , so yes Caan what you say is Gospel, I love a Coffee, but because I use a Mug does not make me one, good Video Caan, as always on point.
Great stuff as usual Caan. It was far more transparent in the old days, when punters had to phone premium phone lines for tips. I had a colleague who'd be on a 50p per minute Tipping Line every morning for 6 or 7 minutes. But to be fair he always used one of the phones in our office workplace, so he was only out of pocket on the tips themselves :o)
Fantastic work Caan. This message cannot be repeated loudly enough!! It always baffles me how people are willing to back a coin toss at less than evens just because they've been told it will win!
Be interesting to see if there’s a profitable strategy in laying the losing tipsters picks from the daily NAP’s table. Some of those are as much as 40pts down since the start of the flat season.
The thing is, when you lay you only get to do it at the exchange price. Plus the commission is on total winnings when you do. In most cases you'd still be at a loss. Can't speak for any specific cases as haven't really looked.
NOTINMYARSE ! Yeah I agree mate. Just to clarify I was just hinting at the possibility that it may be possible if you were to use the table as a starting point and then narrowing down selections on your own criteria. I certainly wouldn’t be looking to just lay a 12-1 purely on the basis that someone at the bottom off a NAP table has picked it out. I think anyone who trades successfully is well aware that just putting money in the market blindly is a recipie for disaster.
The thought had crossed my mind also, but i cant be bothered to follow these tips to lay these selections. I have other strategies that perform better. I have too much knowledge to do somethig tedious like that. Probably a good idea if youre inexperienced and new to it all or short on ideas
@@mrgirthy2111 Sounds intriging a profiteer that wont speak.???? this surley a scam lol but why would you be reading this with pockets full of cash lol. strategies knowledge hours of studying sounds profits all day to me when do we start lol🤠Yeeehaaaw
Great video Caan, I’ve always avoided tipsters due to this exact reason! But it’s always good that an expert like you are telling others, you’re someone who people listen too
Another blockbuster video here Caan. You are quickly becoming the new John McCririck (RIP) with having the punters best interest at heart. Here’s the challenge then: How do we make the exchanges more popular and break down the misconceptions so many mug punters still possess on the matter? Be interesting to see some responses. My suggestion is for a number of bets to be commission free on sign up as a balance against the bookies free bet offers.
Blockbuster... you're too kind. This is a great question. In theory, bookies should be extinct by now... getting the word out is important. Hopefully videos like this are shared about and help.
Great video, really eye-opening (particularly reading the follow up comments too). I've often thought there's something amiss with the world of tipping, given how many tips are hopelessly wrong day in, day out. Know I understand why! Nice one 👍🏻
It's not that they're wrong all the time, its that they send you to poor value which leaves you a loser over the long term while lining their own pocket :)
This is a great video I followed tipsters as I was losing money doing my own bets but after a while I realised there was no difference in winnings so I think they can really take advantage of people who are losing a lot as they show them that they can win and back it up with “research”
Really good video Caan. I'm sure so many people are not aware of tipsters win no matter what! I used to follow a few (they are shown in your video) but in the end I was losing more with them, than I lost by myself! I did notice with 1 "tipster" that they would post a few easy winners to get the challenge going, then pick a really quiet game with little action and it would lose. Only when I kept noticing this pattern, did I knock all tipsters on the head. I may not be ready to retire to the Bahamas just yet by going it alone, but my losses since are not anywhere near as much by following others.
I believe most people that follow tipsters do so because they don't want to feel responsible for their loss, it's like "I don't want to be responsable for my own failure (or success?)".
Agree. In parallel, I do trading, not betting; because when I trade, I "declare my loss or win" in my -window of opportunity-, and with betting, it depends on "others"(binary) to get a win or loss at the end. On both I'm responsible, but in trading you exercise "acceptance of loss/win" everytime.
Excellent video Caan. So many of the twitter accounts are simply dangerous nowadays. Loads of them are massively down every month but still they keep people strung along with the "booooms" when they fluke a small win, and the "we go again" when they have a stinker. Irresponsible to say the least. Anyway, i'll leave it there.. cheers
Thanks for the video Caan. I have been relying too heavily on tipsters advice on the football. I could never trust myself on backing/laying on the correct team because I'm new to the trading world. I'm now going to do my own thorough research on upcoming games to conclude which is best to work with. Thanks again.
We definitely need people like you, trying to give us more advantage.Especially on what and not in betting.Theres no such thing as a tipster, horses have good days and bad days,so no advice no matter where it came from,is 100% gauranteed!! Best tip,,,, keep it in your pocket!!!😊
Brilliant advice Caan. Myself o tend to lay high Taylor's tips in particular. I don't get to see pricewyse that much as I dont want to buy a paper full of adverts and I'm most cases made up untrue unreachred stories
Hugh Taylor is a very popular tipster. I suspect at some point he had some good inside info or something which led him to the position he is... hate to pick on one which is why I mentioned several but the model involved now I don't buy its from researching the same sources everyone else has. Also, if you were giving him inside info, would you carry on doing it when he splurges it over an international tipping page?
You're being very generalist here, but I understand why you take that view. It certain is true, the vast majority of tipsters rely on a simple thing, quoting top prices. Often prices that cannot be obtained. Let me give you an example, if you tip every favourite on any days racing, and you were able to 'tip' it at the top price it was available during the day (even just with bookmakers not necessarily the betfair price) and couple it with BOG, you'll make a profit long-term. And a decent profit, probably with my experience I'd guess around 10%. The reasons they give for the selection is totally irrelevant. It's a numbers game. However there ARE successful tipsters, they're few and far between. The normal question is why would they give away their edge as even if they're inevitably banned from bookmakers, they could make money on exchanges like betfair? The answer is because a lot of these gamblers want to off-set their own risk by passing on their knowledge after they've placed their own bets at larger prices. Also, think about it logically. If you knew you were really good at evaluating value, what is to stop you placing large bets on betfair (as large as the market will allow early-on) and then after passing on your bet to the general public, laying off the bets at a lower price, therefore completely eliminating your risk. But again I'm talking of genuinely profitable tipsters who have big followings, and these are admittedly few and far between.
You can make money through paid tipsters on social media, mainly found on Twitter. You must be strict with how you select them though. 1. They have a regularly updated public P/L sheet 2. They only/mostly bet morning prices 3. Track their tips separately to see if their P/L sheet is accurate, how easily the price is available and how they perform as BSP (extremely rare to find one profitable at BSP) 4. You will need multiple accounts to be as profitable as them 5. They have a limit to how members, ideally under 250, meaning prices last for more than a couple of minutes and may still be able to bet on the exchange.
Good insightful video about the perils of tipsters and affiliates. I agree with you that exchanges offer better value with their odds but as Betfair have the monopoly you cannot always keep track of your bet as they suspend the markets a lot near the end of a fixture. This may have nothing to do with tipsters but I think it pushes people towards conventional bookmakers as it is made easy for them with the opening offers bookmakers offer. I think tipsters take advantage of people who do not want to do the studying.
This is why I do bet trains on my own every so often - it’s much more fun when you stick to your own selections and on games which are easy to watch and track rather than betting on Estonian first division matches for example
Also another poor tipster is someone called Peter Private 99 on You Tube he gets a winner every now and then but you will lose overall , as the old Chinese saying goes Even a blind Squirrel will find a nut eventually
Hi Cann, I’m slowly going through the free material you have made available (thank you) with a view to buying your video course. Understandably, and for numerous reasons, your underlying narrative is anti-bookmaker, with your preference being to trade on Betting Exchanges. However, you must also of had a successful Bookmaker career as you have posted videos mentioning that you’ve had numerous accounts restricted with different Bookmakers because of success. It seems that the key to your Betting Exchange success has been the ability to back and lay a trades, which enables you to take advantage of various trading strategies (Scalping, Swing, Bet to Lay, Lay to Bet etc) which are not available when dealing with Bookmakers because ‘laying’ is not possible. As I understand it, this would mean that your Bookmaker success has been down to variants of place betting? If so, I am curious to know why, given your notable Bookmaker success coupled with the benefits of Betting Exchanges, you don’t mention any place betting strategies for exchange betting? Any response would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks and keep up the good work !
The right odds are critical for me and tipsters are a no go. If I see a tip from the big boys Im already suspicious. It focuses me else where. Great video!
Apart from Hugh Taylor , are you aware of anyone else who " moves the market " ? Secondly , i can never understand why bookies have ambassadors , supposedly giving winning bets against the very bookie paying them . Weird business model on the face of it but clearly works .
Its a topic that a lot of people seem to get upset about if you question it. However, I don't think Hugh really moves the market, if you refresh as the tip is released at 10.30am or whatever it is, in most cases the bookie may have had the price for 5 seconds but there's no evidence that anything was matched at it. Looking at the exchanges, if someone did match the price he advised, it was hours before. The point being, I don't think he really moves anything much. It certainly does add weight to a move when he advises a few points, but what I'm tactfully trying to say here is.... the price was gone before it was public. Maybe excluding one person gettin £10 or £20 on. The bad thing is that the bookies cut the price very heavily (lower than the exchange) and all the masses flood onto it at very poor value. Which, more than likely ends up in ATR's affiliate account.
I am pretty sure Laurence Lamborne of Equine Investments moves markets. And I'm not an ambassador for him, but I believe he is the most successful tipster in the UK. And you won't be able to join him. He charges thousands a year and you won't get on, until someone drops out. And there are waiting lists. The main reason his bets move the markets is because they're primarily on the AW and often lower grade stuff and he goes for value bets so they're often bigger double figure prices. Also he must have some big followers who bet a decent amount to justify the subscription costs. It's not hard to move the market with a few grand on a 10/1 at Lingfield on a Monday evening.
The people who move the market ar the owners because the average jo puts £10 to £20 it takes big bets to move it. Ask your self this some times you will see a price 33/1 in morning goes to 20/1 then 16/ then 10/1 people then see this then start putting £10 or £20 then starts the race at 6/1
I had a conversation about this with a friend speaking about twe specifically. He swears by them but when can't get his head around them being an affiliate means that they are earning more if you lose. That's why their specials rarely win.
These tipsters can arb out free bets on the exchanges after people have paid for their insight. The best tip I heard from a tipster was to get the fav beat, then you have half a chance of making a profit.
I confess in the past I have been guilty of following these tipsters, L15, BMB 10-1000 challenges and all like you say. But even today with the knowledge like you advise in this video I can't help myself following tips. Of late I just use GYTO horse racing and do there NAP and NB daily. Alas as soon as they publish you rarely get the prices they quote. Alas so many sports book sites do not do BOG until the day itself and again varies from 8-10am depending what sports book. I've also noticed a lot of so called tips drifting out. Unsure if GYTO is like all the rest but I enjoy the read ups. I go up and down following there tips so unsure yet if its a decent strategy but seeing as I know nothing about GG's myself and like to watch races if had a bet need something help me pick. I myself used to just pick names I liked.
The £10 to £100/1000 I play football challenges on twitter are the biggest joke going , ridiculously low odds. That eventually lose. And the bets are based on Inplay stats on a screen of two teams no one has heard of or could have ever been researched. They will " tip " over 0.5 goals based on the fact one team has had 17 shots when in fact they have no idea how close those shots were. And they are trusting the in play stats from the bookies which could be anything there putting ! Plus the BOOMs nd all the cringe that goes with it when 1/5 winner comes in is embarrassing
There are reliable tipsters, but they aren't free, also they don't offer cheap subscriptions. And to add a reason why it's not a good idea to have a tipster is you are trusting your money to someone else, unless you are already a profitable bettor with a nice volume in bets and you want to have some extra bets each month with a paid tipster. Personally I don't follow any tipster, most of my bets are in the place market in the exchanges and trading the winner only market, so I have no space for following someone's bets, losing or earning money by your own feels better than losing/earning because of someone else
I'm starting to look at the price movement on horses tipped by some of the more popular tipsters, see if there is a consistent drop in price as the punters pile on that could be exploited to take small profits before the off
Sure, the problem is, by the time the reliable ones release the tip the price is gone (in most cases). As other comments have said, it's questionable if it was ever there sometimes.
Hey Caan Berry. Think, it is a grea content, u put out for free. I guess, u "operate" from the uk, since in the EU it isnt possible to use Exchange. One question besides: Do u have any experience with the soccer market. I mean, is there a realistic possibility to get his lay bet matched, when u layed against a result in a soccer game? Are there anybody, who is so stupid to back results in a soccer game or is it a dead market? Thanks
Do you mean the bookies market movers listings? I think you're right... there's no evidence that they were backed at any of those prices. Exchanges are your only hope for seeing what is backed where.
Hi Caan, so someone like Andy Holding for example is over 100pts in profit this year. So say following his tips even getting worse odds surely you'd still be in profit for the year?
Who said he's 100pts in profit? Did you get the price recommended on every single one of the selections without fail? This is the point, as lots of other comments have made and people have realised. The prices quoted are like the moon, you can see them, you just can't touch them. Here is a question for you - do you really think OddsChecker is paying any of the tipsters they promote to lose them money? Because if what you say there is true, then that is exactly what they are doing. When someone signs up via their affiliate link and wins money, it's deducted from their affiliate balance that month. So a winning tipster with clickable links will be losing them money, and the bookie money, and you are suggesting the bookie and the platform promoting them is paying a 3rd party to do it? Madness. No offence to any one tipster as it's not a personal thing, it's just explaining the business model for the public. Why shouldn't they know? Also, who verifies this 100pts profit? Ohh, yes.... the site with the affiliate links getting revenue from the losses.
Hiya caan really love you're videos i am in the process of beginning to trade ... but doing as much learning before I step in so I will not get caught in the headlights ... what do you think of the bet trader app produced by andy Todd who by the way has me in stitches with his trading ... so geekstoy or bet trader ? I would appreciate you're advice thanks ... I hate bookies .
Never been a gambler, but my old man has been for decades, dropping the family in financial hot water several times. Gambling is a con from start to finish.
Particularly if you're really bad at it, and just bet your opinions and let your ego get in the way. Or you're chasing the 'thrill' of gambling, use no money management, chase losses etc. I have known addicted gamblers too that have got into awful financial trouble. But I took that and worked out exactly why they lose.
Thanks mate truth is truth I like example why will they give you a nap but they still put more horses in I try to do my own thing my money I do what I do best at the end of the day of course u can't really win every day but u can atleast pick up money more then 4 times a week thats more then 4 times thank you hope everyone takes you serious
I think you would have to be a pretty smart cookie to run a successful affiliate business in relation to betting. The competition is unbelievably fierce. As you show here the biggest players in the industry are direct affiliates with bookmakers from racing post, through to Timeform and the main racing channels. If people are daft enough to follow a tipster on Twitter then I’m pretty sure that they aren’t going to be watching Caan Berry. They would be lazy gamblers looking for a quick fix not dedicating their time to this.
Im all for exchanges BUT... the exchanges also restrict you in a way, of course not by limiting your stake nor anything like that but by premium charges and all that. And so if you are a profitable bettor they will impose premium charge on you, initially 20% or even 40% : ) and if you are super profitable that will be 60% (betfair)
The people that never lose are the people that are tucked up in bed with bookmakers or casinos. The introduction of the ''lay bet'' I feel was a massive mistake for the bread & butter gambler, it's extremely easy for a trainer to send a horse out that he or she knows isn't race fit, that horse is then easy for people connected / in the know to then lay it with full confidence it will get beat.
Well done Caan. A suggestion to u would b to highlight the very poor value a customer gets when placing win bets on what are considered to b bad ew races.
I find with horse racing I make a steady profit throughout the year but it all comes together at cheltenham when I’ve backed antepost and then hedge my bets on the day. Wouldn’t go near any tipsters but I do respect upping the ante with David Jennings and Gavin lynch, I also like cheltmental Facebook page but he doesn’t provide tips just offers an opinion and better information which helps make a better end decision
Caan Berry Pro Trader I don’t stake large amounts per bet but tend to use yankees (£5.50) as the main bet type but has worked really well the last two years & juggle between 4 bookmakers- agree about the tipsters points , for me I’m disciplined but I can easily see how people fall down the slippery slope and tipsters can’t be helping
In my 40 or so years gambling on horses never seen such cramped odds 7/5 8/5 9/5 11/5 13/5 greedy bookies working on fractions stopped using bookies and will now only use betfair
favourites are good for laying against. people at work are always loosing on the tips thinking about playing here the stock market is boring at the moment lol
I wouldn’t mind been mates with Hugh Taylor, his tips massively change the market, getting his info 15 minutes before he posts would be a win-lay profit certainty.
@@CaanBerryProTrader i just got into bf trading like 3 days ago. I don't quite get the purpose of it and how it exactly works. I did bet in the past but im sure with my succes rate it wont be for long. So i want to trade.
So much spam and sales in this industry, preying on vulnerable people. I'd like to think I'm not one of them, but I know that's not true. Thanks for some quality content as usual
exchanges are the future and bookies know it so they try to make sure you stick with them, thats why they are over the top with tipsters, adverts and markerting. what baffles me is the profits these bookies make! i guess its true 95% of gamblers do lose and if you been with a bookie for a while then you are loser otherwise if you was a winner you will be restricted or kicked out
Any real tipster (a professional willing to share their own picks) is not going to share that information for free. They also won’t be have a preference to where you place your bets, and certainly won’t be recommending you try and snowball 20 quid into a grand rather than use level staking. I often do wonder how many mugs fall for these affiliate links, but I guess they are out there.
Just google some of the various affiliate scheme's. Some offer money for aquisition on top of the rate, and will enhance the rate if you are popular enough. I suspect some of those big sites are in that bracket easily.
You'll lose if you do lucky 15s with him (they're bad bets anyway which is why bookies promote them). Not hard to see what he does anyway. Basically horses that have dropped quite a bit from their highest/last winning mark with a hint of a return to form. Offering a £5 daily bet at the moment. He had a winner on Monday I think it was which he doesn't stop talking about. Has said nothing about the other ones this week which have presumably lost. Some of what he says is blatant bullshit and theres no way I'm giving him £365 up front for a years tips... good luck to anyone who does.
Yip I know talks non stop about the winners never never about the losers and shows the winning best on his phone £150 ew bets on betfred if they are 100% why would a bookie not gubb him bookies dont like winners lol so he must just talk bullshit
@@CaanBerryProTrader had every account closed even in my partners name. I specialize in hunter chases. Bookies can get prices right have no handle on the form
I had a tipster recently show a £5 point over on a footie Acc, won £2500. Some one posted, shame you didnt post that on your website.... In other it was a load of rubbish, 5 mins later post removed.
@@CaanBerryProTrader part of me was kidding Caan. I've been in the game long enough to know not to follow "those in the know" I'm in and out the trade before inplay. But definitely not viable.
Do you follow tipsters? Do your freinds? Do them a favour and let them know how it all works...
This peter private 99 tipster thinks he,s the best around watch him on TH-cam if you haven't see what you think ?
Caan,what about tipstr site?
Never ever follow tipsters. Use stats and trade, simple as that. Making more money now trading than ive ever done betting.
@@andibathgate7662 Just had a look. Got the comments turned off... I wonder why? Just another pundit by the looks of it. Probably a nice bloke, never made a penny.
@crazy fast Where and how you place? Shouldnt do that.
No one will ever make a living from betting by relying on others selections
finding a reliable tipster is a lot of work and a looot of parameters have to be fullfiled. That's not because you are unable to do this work properly that you have to generalize like this.
I had 20-30 making a living off my tips for the last 5-6 years. Only recently started to not tip as over the stress of dealing with others money and not just my own. But yes agree while it’s a 0.00001 percent. It happens just need to find the right one.
Wrong.
The problems with "making a living" from betting is that most people use betting as a form of entertainment, are not ruthless/disciplined enough and do not have the wherewithal to survive for a year before withdrawing winnings.
When you start with a fairly small betting bank - you’ve got to compound your winnings instead of withdrawing .
It’s a long term game .
Give it 3 years and STOP LOOKING AT YOUR PROFIT AND LOSS .
I remember back in 2018 I was look for tips for the Grand National and I came across your TH-cam channel. You were saying to look for value instead of who you thought was going to win. I couldn't get me head around this at first, it didn't make any sense. It's sad that so many people are focused on the wrong thing, I feel genuinely sorry for people when I see them walk into a bookie now.
They are entirely, Alex. Very sad. Glad you have learnt otherwise.
You have saved me so much money, I was one of the mugs losing week in week out following tips. This video has made it all make so much sense now.
Yep, I’ve followed a few tipsters and I quickly learnt (after loosing money) that it was a mistake. I find that I’m better off backing my own personal choices.
Some may not be bad, but overall you have to question why they are there doing what they do. Do they really just want to help you?
@@CaanBerryProTrader can you help and name a few not bad tipsters?
@@Streetstylemilan Andrew blair white (horse racing)
I never have and never will follow a tipster. I’ve been placing bets for years and I refuse to give them any money
Best tip I ever gave my friends don't use tipsters do your own research or better still learn to trade
Trouble with research is; everyone's researching from the same resources... the same resources bookies have (and they have more) and they have a workforce and billions on their side. Doesn't make too much sense does it.
Years ago when the Alcatel phones used to credit £10 talk time when turned on and off my mate rang the same tipping line multiple times and he was given a different winner every time for same race 😮
I believe you, I had a BT phone that done the same thing. Haha
Great video. I was aware of the affiliation but didn't know they were taking that much.
All these 10 quid to 10k guys seem to use bets that are like 1.25-1.35 too so they have a better chance of going on a streak. Giving it massive Booms when a 1.3 bet comes in!
Noticed a lot of the dodgy Twitter tipsters with no public records are linked too and have the same followers all joining in with the booms to create the impression that have tons of people following their tips when in reality they are more than likely fake accounts made by themselves.
Spot on as always Caan....I tried to warn my mate's about these scams but a couple of them wouldn't listen because they are so addictive 🙈
Maybe this could help? Can't argue with a bit of logic. Good to see you're still chipping away and doing okay :)
@@CaanBerryProTrader not doing much on the betting front nowadays but I'll never forget how much you helped me a few years ago when I went from MB and arbing to trading..top guy 👍
Amazing how many Free Tipsters want you to sign up to new Bookmaker Accounts so you may then access their tips, however should you already have an Account they suddendly become chargable , so yes Caan what you say is Gospel, I love a Coffee, but because I use a Mug does not make me one, good Video Caan, as always on point.
How they make their money :). If not they have to charge to make some money...
Great stuff as usual Caan. It was far more transparent in the old days, when punters had to phone premium phone lines for tips. I had a colleague who'd be on a 50p per minute Tipping Line every morning for 6 or 7 minutes. But to be fair he always used one of the phones in our office workplace, so he was only out of pocket on the tips themselves :o)
I agree, Cliff. Transparency has disapeared somewhat with the internet and all. So many idenities etc too now, dirty business.
Fantastic work Caan. This message cannot be repeated loudly enough!! It always baffles me how people are willing to back a coin toss at less than evens just because they've been told it will win!
Thanks for the support! You might like our next upload in half hour!
Be interesting to see if there’s a profitable strategy in laying the losing tipsters picks from the daily NAP’s table. Some of those are as much as 40pts down since the start of the flat season.
The thing is, when you lay you only get to do it at the exchange price. Plus the commission is on total winnings when you do. In most cases you'd still be at a loss. Can't speak for any specific cases as haven't really looked.
NOTINMYARSE ! Yeah I agree mate. Just to clarify I was just hinting at the possibility that it may be possible if you were to use the table as a starting point and then narrowing down selections on your own criteria. I certainly wouldn’t be looking to just lay a 12-1 purely on the basis that someone at the bottom off a NAP table has picked it out.
I think anyone who trades successfully is well aware that just putting money in the market blindly is a recipie for disaster.
The thought had crossed my mind also, but i cant be bothered to follow these tips to lay these selections. I have other strategies that perform better. I have too much knowledge to do somethig tedious like that. Probably a good idea if youre inexperienced and new to it all or short on ideas
@@mrgirthy2111 Sounds intriging a profiteer that wont speak.???? this surley a scam
lol but why would you be reading this with pockets full of cash lol. strategies
knowledge hours of studying sounds profits all day to me when do we start
lol🤠Yeeehaaaw
Great video Caan, I’ve always avoided tipsters due to this exact reason! But it’s always good that an expert like you are telling others, you’re someone who people listen too
Thought it would be an intersting topic for many who follow tipsters or have had a bet over the years. Cheers.
Another blockbuster video here Caan. You are quickly becoming the new John McCririck (RIP) with having the punters best interest at heart. Here’s the challenge then: How do we make the exchanges more popular and break down the misconceptions so many mug punters still possess on the matter? Be interesting to see some responses. My suggestion is for a number of bets to be commission free on sign up as a balance against the bookies free bet offers.
Blockbuster... you're too kind. This is a great question. In theory, bookies should be extinct by now... getting the word out is important. Hopefully videos like this are shared about and help.
Great video, really eye-opening (particularly reading the follow up comments too). I've often thought there's something amiss with the world of tipping, given how many tips are hopelessly wrong day in, day out. Know I understand why! Nice one 👍🏻
It's not that they're wrong all the time, its that they send you to poor value which leaves you a loser over the long term while lining their own pocket :)
This is a great video I followed tipsters as I was losing money doing my own bets but after a while I realised there was no difference in winnings so I think they can really take advantage of people who are losing a lot as they show them that they can win and back it up with “research”
Yes saying they did research seems to be the get out card
Really good video Caan. I'm sure so many people are not aware of tipsters win no matter what! I used to follow a few (they are shown in your video) but in the end I was losing more with them, than I lost by myself! I did notice with 1 "tipster" that they would post a few easy winners to get the challenge going, then pick a really quiet game with little action and it would lose. Only when I kept noticing this pattern, did I knock all tipsters on the head. I may not be ready to retire to the Bahamas just yet by going it alone, but my losses since are not anywhere near as much by following others.
Hopefully they will with this one if it reaches enough people! More satisfaction in doing your own work anyway.
Thanks for this video, I have been losing a lot lately. All thanks to you
I believe most people that follow tipsters do so because they don't want to feel responsible for their loss, it's like "I don't want to be responsable for my own failure (or success?)".
Thats probably a fair comment I hadnt considered.
Agree. In parallel, I do trading, not betting; because when I trade, I "declare my loss or win" in my -window of opportunity-, and with betting, it depends on "others"(binary) to get a win or loss at the end. On both I'm responsible, but in trading you exercise "acceptance of loss/win" everytime.
Excellent video Caan. So many of the twitter accounts are simply dangerous nowadays. Loads of them are massively down every month but still they keep people strung along with the "booooms" when they fluke a small win, and the "we go again" when they have a stinker. Irresponsible to say the least. Anyway, i'll leave it there.. cheers
Its the lack of accountability. Nobody gets punished for this poor behaviours.
Thanks for the video Caan. I have been relying too heavily on tipsters advice on the football. I could never trust myself on backing/laying on the correct team because I'm new to the trading world. I'm now going to do my own thorough research on upcoming games to conclude which is best to work with. Thanks again.
It seems that, picking yourself would be more trustworthy either way!
Another great video. It always amazes me how few people realise this
Hopefully some more now and it will get shared about :) win win for all.
All the way from the South of Africa we say Danko🤝 ☑️✔️ Thank you ❤️❤️
I always chose my own horses when having a bet.
How do they perform?
Sorry for being late. If I really have insider tips, I would make the public bet on the opposite side for obvious reasons
We definitely need people like you, trying to give us more advantage.Especially on what and not in betting.Theres no such thing as a tipster, horses have good days and bad days,so no advice no matter where it came from,is 100% gauranteed!! Best tip,,,, keep it in your pocket!!!😊
Brilliant advice Caan. Myself o tend to lay high Taylor's tips in particular. I don't get to see pricewyse that much as I dont want to buy a paper full of adverts and I'm most cases made up untrue unreachred stories
Hugh Taylor is a very popular tipster. I suspect at some point he had some good inside info or something which led him to the position he is... hate to pick on one which is why I mentioned several but the model involved now I don't buy its from researching the same sources everyone else has. Also, if you were giving him inside info, would you carry on doing it when he splurges it over an international tipping page?
Great vid Caan. So many "tipsters" on twitter these days.
Most of which are keen on hiding their details....
You're being very generalist here, but I understand why you take that view. It certain is true, the vast majority of tipsters rely on a simple thing, quoting top prices. Often prices that cannot be obtained. Let me give you an example, if you tip every favourite on any days racing, and you were able to 'tip' it at the top price it was available during the day (even just with bookmakers not necessarily the betfair price) and couple it with BOG, you'll make a profit long-term. And a decent profit, probably with my experience I'd guess around 10%. The reasons they give for the selection is totally irrelevant. It's a numbers game. However there ARE successful tipsters, they're few and far between. The normal question is why would they give away their edge as even if they're inevitably banned from bookmakers, they could make money on exchanges like betfair? The answer is because a lot of these gamblers want to off-set their own risk by passing on their knowledge after they've placed their own bets at larger prices. Also, think about it logically. If you knew you were really good at evaluating value, what is to stop you placing large bets on betfair (as large as the market will allow early-on) and then after passing on your bet to the general public, laying off the bets at a lower price, therefore completely eliminating your risk. But again I'm talking of genuinely profitable tipsters who have big followings, and these are admittedly few and far between.
Sure just wanted to share how it works for all that didn't realise. I antiscipate it's a fair few!
@@CaanBerryProTrader oh definitely.
You can make money through paid tipsters on social media, mainly found on Twitter. You must be strict with how you select them though.
1. They have a regularly updated public P/L sheet
2. They only/mostly bet morning prices
3. Track their tips separately to see if their P/L sheet is accurate, how easily the price is available and how they perform as BSP (extremely rare to find one profitable at BSP)
4. You will need multiple accounts to be as profitable as them
5. They have a limit to how members, ideally under 250, meaning prices last for more than a couple of minutes and may still be able to bet on the exchange.
Good insightful video about the perils of tipsters and affiliates. I agree with you that exchanges offer better value with their odds but as Betfair have the monopoly you cannot always keep track of your bet as they suspend the markets a lot near the end of a fixture. This may have nothing to do with tipsters but I think it pushes people towards conventional bookmakers as it is made easy for them with the opening offers bookmakers offer. I think tipsters take advantage of people who do not want to do the studying.
You can check prices afterwards with timeform - bit.ly/3b66JCV
This is why I do bet trains on my own every so often - it’s much more fun when you stick to your own selections and on games which are easy to watch and track rather than betting on Estonian first division matches for example
Not sure I would advise that! Although at least you are doing it through your own intuition.
Also another poor tipster is someone called Peter Private 99 on You Tube he gets a winner every now and then but you will lose overall , as the old Chinese saying goes Even a blind Squirrel will find a nut eventually
Hi Cann,
I’m slowly going through the free material you have made available (thank you) with a view to buying your video course. Understandably, and for numerous reasons, your underlying narrative is anti-bookmaker, with your preference being to trade on Betting Exchanges. However, you must also of had a successful Bookmaker career as you have posted videos mentioning that you’ve had numerous accounts restricted with different Bookmakers because of success.
It seems that the key to your Betting Exchange success has been the ability to back and lay a trades, which enables you to take advantage of various trading strategies (Scalping, Swing, Bet to Lay, Lay to Bet etc) which are not available when dealing with Bookmakers because ‘laying’ is not possible.
As I understand it, this would mean that your Bookmaker success has been down to variants of place betting? If so, I am curious to know why, given your notable Bookmaker success coupled with the benefits of Betting Exchanges, you don’t mention any place betting strategies for exchange betting?
Any response would be gratefully appreciated.
Thanks and keep up the good work !
If you can find value you can make money. Not really going to explain much more regarding winning quick with bookies at this stage.
The right odds are critical for me and tipsters are a no go. If I see a tip from the big boys Im already suspicious. It focuses me else where. Great video!
Apart from Hugh Taylor , are you aware of anyone else who " moves the market " ?
Secondly , i can never understand why bookies have ambassadors , supposedly giving winning bets against the very bookie paying them . Weird business model on the face of it but clearly works .
Its a topic that a lot of people seem to get upset about if you question it. However, I don't think Hugh really moves the market, if you refresh as the tip is released at 10.30am or whatever it is, in most cases the bookie may have had the price for 5 seconds but there's no evidence that anything was matched at it. Looking at the exchanges, if someone did match the price he advised, it was hours before. The point being, I don't think he really moves anything much. It certainly does add weight to a move when he advises a few points, but what I'm tactfully trying to say here is.... the price was gone before it was public. Maybe excluding one person gettin £10 or £20 on.
The bad thing is that the bookies cut the price very heavily (lower than the exchange) and all the masses flood onto it at very poor value. Which, more than likely ends up in ATR's affiliate account.
@@CaanBerryProTrader good explanation , makes sense. I'm sure you're right.
I am pretty sure Laurence Lamborne of Equine Investments moves markets. And I'm not an ambassador for him, but I believe he is the most successful tipster in the UK. And you won't be able to join him. He charges thousands a year and you won't get on, until someone drops out. And there are waiting lists. The main reason his bets move the markets is because they're primarily on the AW and often lower grade stuff and he goes for value bets so they're often bigger double figure prices. Also he must have some big followers who bet a decent amount to justify the subscription costs. It's not hard to move the market with a few grand on a 10/1 at Lingfield on a Monday evening.
The people who move the market ar the owners because the average jo puts £10 to £20 it takes big bets to move it. Ask your self this some times you will see a price 33/1 in morning goes to 20/1 then 16/ then 10/1 people then see this then start putting £10 or £20 then starts the race at 6/1
Well said Caan, not only are they gettin a % some get you to pay subscription aswell, win win for the tipsters regardless of outcome!
Some of the paid ones do this yes. Bit like newspapers charging you for access and then spamming you with adverts :D
I had a conversation about this with a friend speaking about twe specifically. He swears by them but when can't get his head around them being an affiliate means that they are earning more if you lose. That's why their specials rarely win.
These tipsters can arb out free bets on the exchanges after people have paid for their insight. The best tip I heard from a tipster was to get the fav beat, then you have half a chance of making a profit.
I confess in the past I have been guilty of following these tipsters, L15, BMB 10-1000 challenges and all like you say. But even today with the knowledge like you advise in this video I can't help myself following tips. Of late I just use GYTO horse racing and do there NAP and NB daily. Alas as soon as they publish you rarely get the prices they quote. Alas so many sports book sites do not do BOG until the day itself and again varies from 8-10am depending what sports book. I've also noticed a lot of so called tips drifting out. Unsure if GYTO is like all the rest but I enjoy the read ups. I go up and down following there tips so unsure yet if its a decent strategy but seeing as I know nothing about GG's myself and like to watch races if had a bet need something help me pick. I myself used to just pick names I liked.
The £10 to £100/1000 I play football challenges on twitter are the biggest joke going , ridiculously low odds. That eventually lose. And the bets are based on Inplay stats on a screen of two teams no one has heard of or could have ever been researched. They will " tip " over 0.5 goals based on the fact one team has had 17 shots when in fact they have no idea how close those shots were. And they are trusting the in play stats from the bookies which could be anything there putting ! Plus the BOOMs nd all the cringe that goes with it when 1/5 winner comes in is embarrassing
Money pump for the signups though buddy. Glad you seen it.
There are reliable tipsters, but they aren't free, also they don't offer cheap subscriptions. And to add a reason why it's not a good idea to have a tipster is you are trusting your money to someone else, unless you are already a profitable bettor with a nice volume in bets and you want to have some extra bets each month with a paid tipster. Personally I don't follow any tipster, most of my bets are in the place market in the exchanges and trading the winner only market, so I have no space for following someone's bets, losing or earning money by your own feels better than losing/earning because of someone else
Wow ! Thanks for sharing this information, I've been loosing almost everyday for following them
Not anymore I hope.
Great video Caan!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Can you review South down racing? Great vid
I'm starting to look at the price movement on horses tipped by some of the more popular tipsters, see if there is a consistent drop in price as the punters pile on that could be exploited to take small profits before the off
Sure, the problem is, by the time the reliable ones release the tip the price is gone (in most cases). As other comments have said, it's questionable if it was ever there sometimes.
Thanks Caan, great video, Learnt a lot here.
Glad to help!
Nice tip on the short list yesterday 21/Aug "Mountain Rescue" won at 11.00 betfair sp
Cool glad its of use
Hey Caan Berry. Think, it is a grea content, u put out for free. I guess, u "operate" from the uk, since in the EU it isnt possible to use Exchange.
One question besides: Do u have any experience with the soccer market. I mean, is there a realistic possibility to get his lay bet matched, when u layed against a result in a soccer game? Are there anybody, who is so stupid to back results in a soccer game or is it a dead market?
Thanks
This is correct.
Thanks Caan, brilliant... wish I’d known this years ago!
Haha sorry for the delay!! Better late than never.
Where can I find proper data on market movers as I suspect some of the data provided is also "fixed". Ta.
Do you mean the bookies market movers listings? I think you're right... there's no evidence that they were backed at any of those prices. Exchanges are your only hope for seeing what is backed where.
Caan there are years of results on at the races for Hugh Taylor to show his selections are profitable!
And who recorded those results? The site getting the affiliate revenue.
Hi Caan, so someone like Andy Holding for example is over 100pts in profit this year. So say following his tips even getting worse odds surely you'd still be in profit for the year?
Who said he's 100pts in profit? Did you get the price recommended on every single one of the selections without fail? This is the point, as lots of other comments have made and people have realised. The prices quoted are like the moon, you can see them, you just can't touch them. Here is a question for you - do you really think OddsChecker is paying any of the tipsters they promote to lose them money? Because if what you say there is true, then that is exactly what they are doing. When someone signs up via their affiliate link and wins money, it's deducted from their affiliate balance that month. So a winning tipster with clickable links will be losing them money, and the bookie money, and you are suggesting the bookie and the platform promoting them is paying a 3rd party to do it? Madness. No offence to any one tipster as it's not a personal thing, it's just explaining the business model for the public. Why shouldn't they know?
Also, who verifies this 100pts profit? Ohh, yes.... the site with the affiliate links getting revenue from the losses.
Hiya caan really love you're videos i am in the process of beginning to trade ... but doing as much learning before I step in so I will not get caught in the headlights ... what do you think of the bet trader app produced by andy Todd who by the way has me in stitches with his trading ... so geekstoy or bet trader ? I would appreciate you're advice thanks ... I hate bookies .
Great video Caan. I know slots casinos use the same model and you get affiliates get a percentage of the losses
Yes, the commission are far higher too
Never been a gambler, but my old man has been for decades, dropping the family in financial hot water several times. Gambling is a con from start to finish.
Particularly if you're really bad at it, and just bet your opinions and let your ego get in the way. Or you're chasing the 'thrill' of gambling, use no money management, chase losses etc. I have known addicted gamblers too that have got into awful financial trouble. But I took that and worked out exactly why they lose.
Always amazes me how many people follow these affiliate or "pay per tips" guys!
Ye bit mad isnt it. The latter group are more ethical it seems, but even so...
Thanks mate truth is truth I like example why will they give you a nap but they still put more horses in I try to do my own thing my money I do what I do best at the end of the day of course u can't really win every day but u can atleast pick up money more then 4 times a week thats more then 4 times thank you hope everyone takes you serious
Don't forget to subscribe :)
In my area, betting tipsters edit details to validate their quest
Not suprising.
Good points as ever Caan
Cheers, trying to get the word out to the masses!
I think you would have to be a pretty smart cookie to run a successful affiliate business in relation to betting. The competition is unbelievably fierce. As you show here the biggest players in the industry are direct affiliates with bookmakers from racing post, through to Timeform and the main racing channels. If people are daft enough to follow a tipster on Twitter then I’m pretty sure that they aren’t going to be watching Caan Berry. They would be lazy gamblers looking for a quick fix not dedicating their time to this.
That made me laugh and sad at the same time. Cant really argue with that buddy.
Im all for exchanges BUT...
the exchanges also restrict you in a way, of course not by limiting your stake nor anything like that but by premium charges and all that.
And so if you are a profitable bettor they will impose premium charge on you, initially 20% or even 40% : ) and if you are super profitable that will be 60% (betfair)
Premium charge sucks for sure.
The people that never lose are the people that are tucked up in bed with bookmakers or casinos.
The introduction of the ''lay bet'' I feel was a massive mistake for the bread & butter gambler, it's extremely easy for a trainer to send a horse out that he or she knows isn't race fit, that horse is then easy for people connected / in the know to then lay it with full confidence it will get beat.
Well done Caan. A suggestion to u would b to highlight the very poor value a customer gets when placing win bets on what are considered to b bad ew races.
Well done Caan. Genuinely a punters pal. U deserve a bigger platform for your work but turkeys don't vote for xmas
LOL this is true.
Hi! Can you make a video about match selection? How to choose football games to bet or trade? Thankyou :)
We can certianly look into this one for you.
hugh taylor tips are recorded for years on the races site
See other comments. Who recorded them and what was their incentive?
I find with horse racing I make a steady profit throughout the year but it all comes together at cheltenham when I’ve backed antepost and then hedge my bets on the day. Wouldn’t go near any tipsters but I do respect upping the ante with David Jennings and Gavin lynch, I also like cheltmental Facebook page but he doesn’t provide tips just offers an opinion and better information which helps make a better end decision
So you back at value antepost, and hedge out later? Surely they only take small bets antepost from you? Interesting angle.
Caan Berry Pro Trader I don’t stake large amounts per bet but tend to use yankees (£5.50) as the main bet type but has worked really well the last two years & juggle between 4 bookmakers- agree about the tipsters points , for me I’m disciplined but I can easily see how people fall down the slippery slope and tipsters can’t be helping
Smart tips from a wise man, love the content bro👏🏻
Appreciate it!
In my 40 or so years gambling on horses never seen such cramped odds 7/5 8/5 9/5 11/5 13/5 greedy bookies working on fractions stopped using bookies and will now only use betfair
Its mad that some of the comments here is people thinking the bookmakers pay these tipsters to LOSE them money.
Thanks caan,this video is very helpful
Would you recommend listening to ex jockies about horses?
I don't follow tipsters but if i did , i wouldn't, especially after watching this clip, very good advice offered.
Great advice mate az always its simple as these tips are so hot why sell them youre loosing fortune so many gullible people cant see that. 😮😮
Here’s a good one. The £1000 challenge. Ave odds of 1.6. Fuck putting on £650 on 1.6 as a “bet”
I would like to be recommended for a soccer tipster
favourites are good for laying against. people at work are always loosing on the tips thinking about playing here the stock market is boring at the moment lol
Good job! Keep it up!
Will do, check the next upload you may like.
People can be fooled so easy, it just seems crazy to me! Why would anyone follow a tipster or even use a bookmaker and bet on terrible odds!
Yet stil the general public are totally unaware because of issues like this.
I take a quick skeg at ATR pre race but don’t click links.
I wouldn’t mind been mates with Hugh Taylor, his tips massively change the market, getting his info 15 minutes before he posts would be a win-lay profit certainty.
And thats the thing... you need to know long before anything is put up. Either way, if you did know, you'd get gubbed pronto.
Hello Caan, is there a way we could message in private?
Feel free to do it here public
@@CaanBerryProTrader i just got into bf trading like 3 days ago. I don't quite get the purpose of it and how it exactly works. I did bet in the past but im sure with my succes rate it wont be for long. So i want to trade.
So much spam and sales in this industry, preying on vulnerable people. I'd like to think I'm not one of them, but I know that's not true. Thanks for some quality content as usual
Yes, the vulnerable and stupid pay for pretty much all of it.
Great advice,it’s just so easy to get absorbed into
Yea, lots do. But then its hard to avoid as it is everywhere with sport, the channels, banners, footie shirts the lot.
when an executive of a betting company is on a salary of 45 million people should really wake up and smell the coffee
There's another scam, you put money on for the tipster and have on what ever you want, if it loses your out of pocket twice, the tipster didn't lose
Do u give out soccer tips for a fee
Excellent and well informed 👍🏻
Cheers, we try to make all uploads factual and informative.
Hi Caan can i ask you what is your personality ...curious lolo
INTJ / ENTJ last time I looked.
@@CaanBerryProTrader just curious me ..infj..weirdo me
Ty
exchanges are the future and bookies know it so they try to make sure you stick with them, thats why they are over the top with tipsters, adverts and markerting. what baffles me is the profits these bookies make! i guess its true 95% of gamblers do lose and if you been with a bookie for a while then you are loser otherwise if you was a winner you will be restricted or kicked out
Yes they spend all the extra money they get off people wasting it to overwhelm the public into continuing to use them.
Good advice, as ever - thanks
Nicely summed up!!!
Thanks!
are you in Tenerife Caan
Any real tipster (a professional willing to share their own picks) is not going to share that information for free. They also won’t be have a preference to where you place your bets, and certainly won’t be recommending you try and snowball 20 quid into a grand rather than use level staking.
I often do wonder how many mugs fall for these affiliate links, but I guess they are out there.
I'd say its into the hundreds of thousands.
Always back my own bets im still poor but thats my lookout
The key is to find value. See how the odds work in this clip - th-cam.com/video/mm83wwAoEdY/w-d-xo.html
30% provision for the next 3 years....very lucrative business for the tipster. By the way can you tell me where you got this?
Just google some of the various affiliate scheme's. Some offer money for aquisition on top of the rate, and will enhance the rate if you are popular enough. I suspect some of those big sites are in that bracket easily.
You know Peter 99 tipster on TH-cam he says he,s the best around any knowledge off him ?
You'll lose if you do lucky 15s with him (they're bad bets anyway which is why bookies promote them). Not hard to see what he does anyway. Basically horses that have dropped quite a bit from their highest/last winning mark with a hint of a return to form. Offering a £5 daily bet at the moment. He had a winner on Monday I think it was which he doesn't stop talking about. Has said nothing about the other ones this week which have presumably lost. Some of what he says is blatant bullshit and theres no way I'm giving him £365 up front for a years tips... good luck to anyone who does.
They all say that lol
Yip I know talks non stop about the winners never never about the losers and shows the winning best on his phone £150 ew bets on betfred if they are 100% why would a bookie not gubb him bookies dont like winners lol so he must just talk bullshit
If they any good how do they get on
Good question. I'd wager they don't even try...
@@CaanBerryProTrader had every account closed even in my partners name. I specialize in hunter chases. Bookies can get prices right have no handle on the form
I had a tipster recently show a £5 point over on a footie Acc, won £2500. Some one posted, shame you didnt post that on your website.... In other it was a load of rubbish, 5 mins later post removed.
Not suprised.
Yes I listen out for Matt chapman and lay whatever he’s says is going to win. And vice versa.
But what about commission on lays? Would make it non-viable wouldn't it?
@@CaanBerryProTrader part of me was kidding Caan. I've been in the game long enough to know not to follow "those in the know" I'm in and out the trade before inplay. But definitely not viable.