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Hey everyone! A few things to explain here that I thought were clear in the video.
1. Dean Guitars owns the ML shape. This video does not focus on the guitar shape that was designed by Dean Zelinski when he founded/owned Dean Guitars, nor does it focus on any original dimebag guitar shapes.
2. This video focuses on the paint/finish choices for these guitars; specifically the blue/black fade (Dean from Hell paint scheme without the lightning graphic) & slime (originally from the Washburn D3/333 Dime-Slime which was released in 1995 and discontinued in 2005, the brought back by Dean in 2006 onward).
3.Yes, the tobacco burst was around before Dime started playing Dean guitars, although it has been a go-to Far Beyond Driven (FBD) build template for a lot of Dimebag fans as Dime used a 1979 Dean ML with that paint scheme in Pantera. This was also the same colour as the production FBD models (both import and USA) when Dean was able to make them.
4. I focused on the points in #2 because of the Dimebag Estate leaving Dean Guitars and sueing them. Then Dean Guitars brought these finishes back when the artist and estate associated with these paint schemes are no longer with the brand.
5. Dean can paint or build any guitar the way the choose. I did not say they should not build these guitars, nor paint them how they choose to. The ML is a fantastic guitar, and is one of my favourites. The slime is also one of my favourite finishes.
6. I thought the launch of these finishes was questionable given the ongoing issue between Dean Guitars and the Dimebag Estate. I know a lot of Dime/Pantera fans thought the same way. That's it.
I hope this clears it up, and I apologize if parts may have been unclear!
Keep it clean in the comments!
Dean fans who aren't Dime fans (they exist) are always ready to get their backs up over this kinda stuff, so it's to be expected.
@@philfrank5601 That's funny I own one of the Dime Deans. Go figure.
Dean should re-issue the sunburst Baby ML as their Adrian Smith model, he toured World Piece
tour with
@@larslevinberget9558 he's been with Jackson for quite some time. I don't think he's leaving anytime soon.
Thats cool that we can get a dime slime that probably won’t be that expensive because dimes name isn’t attached to it
Yeah I'd get it
I actually got a Dime O Flage cuz i was shocked to see ML's on Thomanns website. There was also a Dime Slime, Dime O Flame, and even a Dean From Hell but they were unfortunately out of stock
Dean and BC Rich be like " we do what we want no matter what anyone thinks" lol.
Yeah it's pretty wild to me given what's going on behind the scenes.
yeah but when almost your whole fanbase is based around one singular guitar player you wouldnt think they do such a thing
Thats punk rock
BC Rich needs to get their products in stock. Everything is still unavailable, which sucks.
@@Divine_Serpent_Geh I think Sweetwater has some of the newer models, but it's been a minute since I've checked there. Nice username BTW, hah.
Dean can make M.L.s all day long. The Brazil burst. Was being made by dean before dime. The dime estate does not own the ml shape. And there's plenty of other brands doing the slime burst . Nothing wrong with what I saw. Even the lighting bolt was on other people's guitars. Like Vivien Campbell's kramer because buddy blaze was the one who painted the dime ml and Viviens kramer. And the ml tbz is just a 79 with a black hardware change.
They can make the ML all day and I hope they continue to! It's a great guitar. This video isn't about making that guitar body shape though. It is about the finishes and optics in relation to where the estate is in relation with Dean guitars.
@EricMorettin I've seen the slime on esp guitars, jackson guitars. A prs. I still don't think they did anything wrong. It's a color. Dime didn't invent it or anything.
@@cliffordclaussen2321 yes it's been on lots of guitars from other brands. The association of the slime finish on a ML after the estate left and sued Dean is odd to me though.
Nah....finish is NOT prioratory.
@@EricMorettinI hope they do that far beyond driven ml is my dream guitar!!!
Dean made the ML before Dime. They own the ML. It wasn't a middle finger, it was them abiding by the rules, the dime estate wanted his name and specific removed, they removed them. Dime didn't invent the ML, and he went to "washburn" and made basically an ML.
what is the issue? Dime doesn't own the ML shape. It existed before he did. They just can't use his name
Never said Dime owned the ML design. Might want to double check when the ML was released and when Darrell was born though.
ML fist available in 1977....
Dime....66.
I honestly think you're over reacting on the dean points. ML's been around since the 70's and the dimebag estate don't own those colors. Feels like everyone try to find points to shit on when it comes to dean nowadays.
@@EricMorettin When DB was born? LOL. He'd have zero to do with Dean until he was famous and worked with them.
It has a lot more to do with the disrespect Dean casted on Dimebags name. Since then Dean was scrambling to figure out what they were going to do to seal up the big ass hole they shot in their foot.
Not to say Dean was about to go under, but it definitely wasn't looking great from booting THE REASON your guitar company even still exists and then also dealing with the lawsuit Gibson Lawsuit.
Sure, the ML wasn't Dimes design but the slime was custom made for him, as well as the two tone. Those are pretty iconic designs.
Will I still buy one?
Depends on how Dime guitars turn out 🤷
Feelings dont equate to facts
Dean Zelinkski created the ML in 1977. He named it after a childhood friend Matt Lynn who died of cancer. As far as the finishes... I don't see an issue. Many companies use similar finishes and have even done them as a tribute to Dime. Dime's estate sued Dean for the Razorback version because they argue he came up with it but the regular ML is Dean's design. Dime even had Washburn copy Dean when he played them.
The ML was licensed and altered when Dime was with Washburn
@@EricMorettin And?
@@Darth.Shredder D3/333 isn't a copy, it's legit. The estate also sued for more reasons beyond the razorback
@@EricMorettin If you say so.
Really, as long as they aren't using Dimebag's name, I have no issues...the body shape was theirs to begin with. Yes, we all associate the ML with Dime, but he didn't create it. We can't expect a manufacturer to stop making a specific body style because an artist that became associated with it moves on from the company. As for colors...you can't copyright or trademark a color. Now if they were still producing one with the lightning bolt graphic on it, or calling the slime the "Dime Slime", then I'd take issue with it.
It would be funny if the sold the lightning graphic separately and you had to apply it yourself
Has tenido la misma idea que mi hermano XD
The Razorback was Dime's design. They aren't making those. However, the ML is Dean's design. I love Dimebag. But, they can't trademark a color that is used by other guitar companies, not just Dean. Plus, the most iconic of Dimebag's guitars was a Dean ML with the lightning bolt. They are not making that. Just the shap and under color. I don't think it is in bad taste for Dean to produce a guitar that is THEIR flagship guitar. The ML is Dean's Strat, or Les Paul.
First time I saw an ML was Elliot Easton of The Cars was playing one (lefty) back in the late 70's.
I remember that picture distinctly!
I was there at guitar center Chicago when dean and his buddies walked in to sell them at 1400 a pop. As a kid I could not afford one. But now I own quite a few.. hell yeah!!!
Simple. Darrell Abbott didn't have ANYTHING to do with the design of the ML. Just a color cannot be copywitten or trademarked; that would be insane. The first ML shown has been around since the inception of the Dean brand, it's called Brazilliaburst. The others may look similar in the colorways only, however, the ability to see colors are God given, so I don't see any problem. Dime was a great guitarist and his tragic death was beyond an injustice, but it was not any fault of Dean guitars. Leave them alone and let them try to salvage an iconic brand of guitar history.
What? Dean has been making ML's for decades. Long before Dime had any association with them.
The finishes, genius. And the specs.
@@nkmcfrln The specs? lol What specs were exclusively Dime's? A mahogany body? a 24.75" scale legth? 12" radius? a tunamatic or Floyd Rose bridge? 2 humbuckers? What "specs"? Are you also claiming nobody can use those finishes because Dime used them? By your logic, Gibson could never sell a Les Paul with 3 cream humbuckers because Ace Frehley used them.
@@Darth.Shredder You’re a _______ nerd.
@@Darth.Shredder Nerd: Please tell me the Ace Frehley Les Paul is simply the addition one “cream humbucker.”
@@nkmcfrln Nerd? LOL Nice projection. The legendary guitars that Ace played in the 70'sa and 80's were regular Les Paul customs with a third pickup. He also used a Deluxe in the mid 70's with 3 black pickups. So, whats your point,? Let me guess newb... you're referring to the Ace model from the mid 1990's during the reunion tour/ Well, newb... he played regular LPC's will 3 pickups decades before his signature model. Just like Dime's signature Deans, they came much later.
Yeah. No. I don’t have any issues with this. ✌️
From a business end, Dean is just making guitars. Contextually, with the split from Dimebag's estate, it seems off putting.
Bro, with all due respect..you must be very young. I was playing a Dean ML in 1978, hand made by Dean Zelinski . Had absolutely nothing to do with Dime...
Exactly. During the early 90s when Pantera were blowing up, I never saw MLs except at pawn shops occasionally. I also read in magazines Dime would scour pawn shops to grab MLs they would modify to his specs. The ML line has been around for decades. The new DBZ guitars I've seen look identical almost but that logo looks cringe. I wish Rita would take it back to Washburn.
Bro, it’s obviously the colors and not the shape.
@troyskinnard1393 nope
@@troyskinnard1393 The Dime Slime green maybe...BUT..scott ians king v has a dime slime version. The tobacoo are standard colors and the black/blue tint dont look to hot anyways. Id like them to come out with a plain black one, ala mouth for war video.
@@RobcadRadDadScott's "Slime" is a direct nod to Dimebag. It's called "Baldini Burst" because Dime's nickname for Scott was Baldini.
Honestly, I couldnt care less, the ML shape is owned by Dean, not the Dimebag estate. To me it's just colours, not the essence of Dimebag playing but I get your point too...In other hand, it's like if James Hetfield's estate would sue Gibson or ESP for making white Flying V or Explorers. Yes Dime helped popuralized the ML but he also played a lot of Washburn ML when Dean when out of business in the 90s...By the way, the did the same to Mustaine with the Zero and Vengeance shape...
Washburn 333 and D3 are different from the ML, and those shapes had to be in order to be licensed from Dean to avoid copyright complications.
Gibson also gave ESP a cease and decist for their explorer, V, and 4 knob eclipse guitars as they were deemed too similar in nature to what Gibson made first (Explorer, Flying V, Les Paul).
The VMNT is also a little different than the Vengeance as well, which makes me believe Mustaine may have trademarked the original design and took it with him when he left Dean.
I mean cmon they have a slime, it’s quite literally just a slime without dimes name on it
And the half blue half black is literally just the Dean from hell minus the lightning and specs
It’s just weird to be doing that
@@EricMorettin Im not talking about the Gibson lawsuit but I was making a comparison between Dean vs Dimebag and any popular guitarist associated with an iconic guitar shape and colors schemes. The ML shape existed way before Darrell started using it. Is this move is morally suspicious?, sure but in this case, Dean doesnt seems to care much. If the Dimebag estate relaunch his guitars signature line, I highly doubt there will have any ML shape, only Razorbacks...
@@Cycopace morally suspicious indeed. Personally, I think Dean should let it go and focus on new artists, especially after the estate left on not good terms as well. I believe the new brand will have more models than the razorback.
Yeah! who cares about legal battles. Dime's is on the music. No need to whine about it.
I PERSONALLY OWN AN ORIGINAL EARLY 90S DEAN/DIME LIGHTING RAZORBACK AND WHAT A BEAST.... HOLYYYYYYY HOLYYYYYYY HELL
They need to start making a more of his stuff. I'm not being scared to get sued.
You say it's "immoral" for a company to make a product that might be associated with a rockstar?
I say that if that rockstar's estate isn't actively producing the product right now, it's fair game for the associated original company to keep making.
In my eyes it's just as "immoral" for an estate to sit on a design and refuse to allow its continued production just to create artificial scarcity and drive up the price.
I have to say, it's great seeing everyone SUPPORT AND DEFEND Dean Guitars for a change. This is great!
Well the 79 tobacco was around before Dimebag did his FBD version of it... so that's no problem. The blue ML doesn't have the lightning bolt graphic so that is also fine... but I'm stunned if they can get away with the Slime ML, pretty sure that design is owned by the dimebag estate but who knows what has happened in court behind closed doors so far. I've seen some new Dean V's on social media that are the Vengeance models but they went all out and styled them very close to classic Gibson V's which I was shocked about. But they look great and it feels like a middle finger to Gibson which I'm happy about lol.
Long Live Dean Guitars !
Not gonna lie. The blue/black without the lightning bolts looks tight
at this point i just hope some bigger company buys Dean and sort things out
That company is known as Armadillo
Doesn't matter that the ML predated dimebag. The issue here is that Dean basically made Dimebag guitars without the DImebag stickers / characterization of the MLs, as a big middle finger. At least, that's how it looks. Lot's of strange fanboy comments on here attacking shit like it's the NFL. Grow up.
What? None of these ever originally came with any Dime label on the headstock. Ever.
What? None of these ever originally came with any Dime label on the headstock. Ever.
What? None of these ever originally came with any Dime label on the headstock. Ever.
If you ever get bored of the usual gear you can find something to really surprise you from Dean Guitars or Dean Zelinsky like his ATW switching system.
Idk I kinda want that blue to black fade Dean from hell looking one. It’s cool to see it without a Floyd rose and the lightning it feels more like a “wink and a nod” to dime instead of feeling like no matter what bridge or paint, it’s a dime signature guitar. I kinda want to buy one and throw some black winters in it.
They can do whatever they want with the design and who could claim a color scheme is copyrighted, especially on guitars?
I get they aren't using his name on the guitars but what frustrates me the most isn't the paint job on the Brazilian burst or the slime . It's the pickups the zebra seymour duncan in the neck and the black seymour duncan in the bridge like a lot of his guitars had. If they would've just made a standard tobacco sunburst ml I'd have no issues with that. But to just rip off the look of some of his more famous guitars and remove his name from the headstock just seems wrong to me.
Lots of companies use the same pickups, and the pickups in the MLs isn't a dimebag set
Beats having to pay someone an excess amount of money for the shape with dimes logo on it….
Just got into Dimebag Darrell Days, what a kill guitar player and won a bunch of contest as a kid playing guitar 🤩
The ML predated dimebag.
Nobody is disputing that.
It's the colors they're using. Legally it's fine. But it's blatantly obvious why they're using those specific finishes.
Everybody loves Dime so they all want to point the finger back at Dean but we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. There's two sides to every story. From what I can see in the footage there is nothing technically improper going on here. Yes, Dean has gone down as a brand. Elliot's son messed things up. However, if Dime's estate does not own the rights to blue fade, brown burst and slime green then nobody can complain. Those are generic burst finishes that anyone can do. And the slime finish was not even originally on a Dean guitar. It was one of the Washburns. The ML shape pre dates Dime by years; so Dean are in their right to use the shape that put them on the map. I also did not see any of the Stealth and Razorback shapes or the Lightning and Concrete Sledge graphics displayed in the footage. As a side note, when Dime was using Washburn, they were using the ML shape for the body and the headstock. Then they expanded to the Stealth shape which was already being used by other companies but somehow Dime got the rights to it. Who knows if Washburn was using the ML shape legally while Dean was out of business in the 90s? The point is everything is borrowed from one thing to the next. There would be no Stealth and Razorback shapes if the ML did not come first. And there would be no ML if the Gibson Explorer and Flying V did not come first. So for all of the butt hurt Dimebag fans blaming Dean at every possible chance; look at the evidence that is available to us. There's a point when all of this trademark bullshit gets annoying
Dime is one of my favorite guitar players and I agree 100%. Dime didn’t invent the ML shape but Dime did make it famous. Personally I’d like to see someone make the culprit again but better. That was one of dimes designs. 🤘
The ML shape was FAMOUS long before Dime was even a grown man. I personally own a 79 and an 81....
@@rodrossi9749 name 1 famous guitar player that was known for playing the ML!
@@tattooed1979 ..... Elliott Easton.
@@tattooed1979 ..... I believe that you will also find that the Cars sold more albums than Pantera.......
Dude tryin 2 look like Hartley PV
Although I know Dean guitars clearly have the right to sell the ML as they own the design. I do feel a corporate middle finger undertone. Especially with the slime and black and blue guitar.
I want to see dimes legacy honored, not surrounded in controversy. It makes me feel something strange.
Great upload
Thanks!
The ML came out in late 70s early 80s. Some great players played MLs and still do. Deans affordable guitars play better then litigationson and im great with that. Let dean get back to work. The employees deserve a paycheck..
The dime/vinnie estate should just pair up with washburn and make slimes, they would like hot cakes
Dime left Washburn because he didn't like the way the company was going and how he was being treated by them towards the end. A lot of it is about the people you work with.
Personally, I just want some brand to keep building quality MLs so people can keep playing them. It’s the best way of keeping his memory alive. He’ll be forever associated with this shape.
I'm sure these guitars will be built well, after playing a newer Dean ML and showing it on my channel a while back.
Jackson and ibanez thankfully have at least a couple in their rosters to fill the shapes dean makes.
As someone said the ml is dean, and if even dean is not there, they can do it, but it does leave a bad taste in the mouth. I would hate to see a brand of guitars going down. But it’s just something, I think for me the iconic shape was dime and zz. But yeah, it’s just an interesting time. Would like to see more stuff on the new dime stuff, especially since I think Dean is helping out, so maybe they can use that iconic shape without the bs going on. Yeah, it’s just something to think about.
What I find wild about this video are the comments.
In no way shape or form is anybody disputing if Dean can use the ML shape or not.
It's their shape.
It's the Dean from Hell lightning bolt delete graphic that's just gross.
If anybody knows anything about Dean guitars and Dime they knew what they were was trying to do with that finish.
They said was washed up and his guitars weren't big sellers. Than why used two finishes that are directly related to him?
The tobacco Burst is standard for almost every guitar company so no gripe there.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Dean is doing. Dime's guitars were just stock Dean guitars at one point. Save for a couple of custom finishes, Dean owns the proprietary rights to their original designs. This lawsuit is a shameful money grab by Rita/Dime's Estate, that they will lose.
Dean can make as many ML models as they want. That was one of their original designs. Dime had nothing to do with that shape whatsoever. He just played it...didn't own any rights to that shape.
Why is everybody pointing out that Dime didn't make the ML?
He's referring to the finish on the guitar not the guitar itself.
Yeah man I’ve been looking into it too, and come to find out it all bulls down to the branding. I even talk to a guy who talk to someone from Dean because I was looking at purchasing another ML online and they basically said that they technically can’t make one, but if I wanted one, they could spec it out to one, but it won’t be a signature model, so it all fell down to a branding issue.
Yeah you can still get a USA ML Slime and TBZ burst, but there will be no Dime branding anymore. I feel as though the black/blue fade shouldn't have been made with everything going on between the estate and Dean guitars.
The ML Guitar is also associated with Washburn, and predates Dean's deal with Dimebag. The Razorback is specifically Dimebag, and the Dimebag/Darrell Abbott name are not allowed to be used.
Colors are simply colors, just because we associate Dime with the slime finish does not mean that it is his, nor does making that guitar in that color disrespect him, for me what they are doing with Pantera without Dimebag is worse...
I love Dean guitars, especially the korean made 79' series.
I can believe Dean did this, just look at the Dave Mustaine shapes that they just took and made their own. They did everything short of putting Megadeth graphics on them
I totally understand your feelings (mixed feelings) about this. I've loved Dean guitars, but yet, not for the same models that you highlight here, but for some other general guitars (the EVO, the Vendetta, and a few others). Still though, the whole business model seems confusing to me for exactly the reasons that you mention, and I'm right there with you. There is another aspect though, that I've not been familiar with in the past. I have a really good friend that is a patent attorney. He's been notoriously successful, and I could name two products that you've owned and that everyone has owned, that my friend owns multiple patents for. Bearing in mind that all guitar companies are, at their heart, a company, meaning that their purpose, in addition to whatever else may motivate them, is to make money. If you do patent research you find that I can produce an item that looks, feels, sounds, smells, tastes almost identical to another item, all the while, without violating anyone's intellectual property, based on the very exact specifications of the patents involved. Example: Another friend of mine owns 9 patents on where your eyes are looking at..... if you are flying in an attack helicopter. But somehow, although what seems like the same exact patents are at play in competitors flying platforms. And in ways that I just really don't always agree with, no laws are violated, no lawsuits resulting. If you go to Aldi's market and buy a box of what looks like honey-nut cheerios, and if you look at the box carefully, you'll find that the brand is a totally different name. But if you compare the boxes side-by-side, it will be outrageously clear that they had a graphic designer basically steal the heart and soul of the product, but not get sued because they've researched the trademarks, patents, copyrights, and made very exacting changes that fool the eye with some visual psychological judo. In my mind, I feel like it is kind of dirty, deceiving and morally wrong, but the lawyers, who we joke just may not have souls, they are the masters of deception. So guys like you and me, well, just have to sit and stare and wonder how this all happens. Great video, appreciate your honesty and your sincerity!
Dean has been making MLs long before Dimebag...
The ML including both Brazilia burst and the flame tops have been deans original design and sold way before Dime came along. But I'm pretty sure you know that, so for clicks your making yourself look either dumb or a dime shill. And i love dime, but dime only designed the blackjack, stealth and razorback. The blue/ black with lightning was a very common finish on many diffrent brands not just the refinished dean from hell
I heard there are no plans to make affordable ML models under Dean Zelinsky. At least (original brand) Dean is still making guitars around an affordable price range. I dont know who to believe on these contracts.
There will be an import line through Zelinski.
@@EricMorettin Dean Zelinsky was quoted as saying the bottom dollar one would be 2 grand in a question he answered to someone on the internet.
@@VirtualRobotsRevolt which is pretty on par with lots of other import brands now. Costs of producing a guitar has gone up substantially.
@@EricMorettin pretty big price leap. Wylde audio guitars aren’t even close to 2grand.
@@VirtualRobotsRevolt I never mentioned Wylde Audio. As long as the quality control and attention to detail are there, the country of origin doesn't matter. Dingwall combustion series basses are made in China, retail around or above $2000, and are the gold standard for lots of metal bassists.
As long as it isn’t the same art graphic ,or has Dime anywhere on it then there’s no problem and shouldn’t be a topic to even discuss. I’d even see no problem if the blue one had lightning bolts on it if it was just in a different pattern than the dime from hell and different color lightning. Dimebag was my favorite guitar player but it’s ridiculous to hold back a color scheme simply bc an artist made it iconic .
It would be the estate of Buddy Blaze suing instead, which is unlikely since his son killed himself :`( I knew Buddy
Beyond the color schemes associated with Dime, the ML shape is a Dean shape. Zelensky is going to focus on the Razorback and Stealth shapes that were designed by Dime.
I bet we'll see more than those shapes with the new line
Dean guitars are trash now big time!!!! Stick with Ibanez, ESP, Jackson, Chapman, Charvel and Krammer guitars instead.
Well it's not like dime designed the body style, or even the lighting, that was on other guitars be before dimes. Let Dean make the only model they can make at this point. :/
Funny Dean and Washburn aren't pissed at Aliexpress selling copies for comparatively little.
Those companies run under so many other brands, so there's no real way to track who's making them. Also copyright laws don't really exist in China.
@@EricMorettin ah thanks for that clarification bro
Did Elliot Easton play one like that??? That was from back in the 70s to early 80s...Long time ago, maybe I'm wrong.
I think he played a light blue burst one. I'm not too familiar with The Cars and Elliot though.
Dime was a customer OF Dean, not the other way around.
Mixed feelings because I wanted some Dean Dime MLs but money is problematic
You might have to wait for the new brand or buy used Dean and Washburn Dime models
@@EricMorettin most likely
i am just thankful as f0k that i now buy these guitar at a normal price , could not care less about having dimebag name on it , huh 😊
You could always get them at a "normal" price brand new.
@@EricMorettinfrom where? I want to know from where????? Cause I want one lol I don’t want to pay a few thousand for one I want to pay at least 500 or less than 1k
Think these’ll be on Thomann?
Not sure!
@@EricMorettin I’m sure I’m hoping for it 😂😂😂 sadly dean doesn’t ship to Portugal so that’s my only shot
Love what Dean Guitars are doing! Great brand and great guitars.
I believe they are on the verge of bankruptcy.
Definitely picking up a Slime to add to my collection whenever they drop. Better than Jackson’s recent take(which I also own though).
disappointing for sure. I always had a thing for Dean Guitars but over the past few years, I have been slowly getting away from them, and now this? I find it very disrespectful to an iconic guitarist who essentially help build the brand.
Who cares all everyone does is find something to complain about they’re just trying to keep the spirit alive
Pantera is awesome, Abbott bros are awesome.
It would be nice if everybody got along and people who want a Dimebag guitar could get one, maybe two. Or four. Or eight. I've had several.
It's a very cool and nod from Dean guitars to Dime
Eric! Playing is awesome!
Dean fan as they were made near me in the original Chicago years. Looking for serial #’s of Dime’s earliest ones. I was told one was in the 3 thousands range years ago. Can’t recall the exact serial. Might you know? Like to compare with ones I’ve seen over the years. 1979-1981 I suppose these would have been made. Thanks
Ok you told us how you feel but never explained what part of this is sketch or slimey (no pun intended). So it's just the green slime finish that's an issue or all of the Mls?
Basically his point is that using the slime color which is directly correlated to Dimebag Darrell and the lightning bolt delete Dean from Hell is just plain disrespectful.
There are literally thousands of colors you can slap on a guitar and call it a new model but they're choosing to use these colors because they'll sell.
In my opinion it's childish, somewhat hypocritical and extremely unprofessional on Dean's part. They could have shown that they were taking it seriously and respectfully left everything alone.
It makes me happy that my 2 Dean's were made when Dean himself was still with the company. I will still play them, and probably play them on videos, but I definitely won't be hash-tagging Dean Guitars or directly promoting them on my vids anymore.
It is strange. But it's just a trans burst ml 79. And a green burst mlf. And a 2 tone guitar. Nothing is associated with dimes patents.
the slime burst and DFH color graphics are heavily associated with Dimebag's SIGNATURE guitars, put the crack pipe down
I think it's in great taste.
I support this. Maybe it’ll light a 🔥 under Dime Guitarz’s ass to quicken up production beyond making one fret every 6 months.
There's a reason there has been no formal public announcement on the guitars and it has nothing to do with production speed.
They own the ML design but it is pretty shady to keep producing dime’s color schemes just without his name attached to them. They did the same with the Dave Mustaine models if you noticed…I don’t think they had a V with the headstock like Dave’s before him
The ml shape belongs to dean. Those designs were created by artist not by dime. Also how is Rita a part of the dime estate when she was never married to dime. Also she claimed the estate pretty fast after Vinnie Paul died.
I don't want to pay scalpers for a dimeslime.
I’m glad you made this video man. It was such bullshit from Dean. They say they wanna move on from Dime and yet they come out with a line of all of his signature guitars without his name on them.
Yeah, as I said in the video, it was just odd and unsettling seeing all of those guitars in person this weekend.
Gibson, Epiphone does it too, man! You think there's any difference between a LP standard and a Slash other than the added decals? How about the Peavey HP versus Wolfgang? The whole thing about "That was Dime, you can't tread there because he was a saint!" is total BS; and if here was here with us, he'd laugh and tell you so!
@@pdog5731 The thing is though legally they can’t. They literally are taking getting sued to somehow prove a point or make a fuck you to Dimebag the person who literally made their company.
Dime doesn't own the shape
The thing your generation doesn't know is all these shapes and finishes were around way before dirtbags name got associated with them. I own several vintage deans pre 1985 to prove it. The ML was around and played by many professionals when dirtbag was running around in dirty diapers and decades before you were born.
Nobody is disputing the guitar shape genius.
It's the finishes they're using.
It's laughable that a company says they don't need Dimebag to sell guitars yet they're still selling guitars that are inspired by him.
It's fine to feel emotions, more wild than Dean's move to be at a loss for words. Unless your position is Haney is just 100% altruistic and the dispute has nothing to do with simple beliefs about who should get how much money, based on contract interpretation or otherwise, then it's the obvious move to make. No one is making Dime guitars right now. Haney's pocketbook matters, sure, but it's not the only way for fans to honor the legend. Buying the shape he played in a color he played by the manufacturer that designed the shape is fine. And it is in no way a finger to Zelinsky; it has nothing to do with him.
Actually wouldn't worry about it, they are different enough,,to be honest Dean has a lot of problems but still the guitars are probably more nostalgic for the era and not a disrespect to anyone
As long as they dont put Dime's name on it, it's fair game. I will admit it is in bad taste IMO. I don't see myselft buying a slime or DFH that isn't an official signature model and I don't know anyone who would. Especially for those prices.
It's just a bunch of guitars, I would bet the one person who would give less than 2 shits would be Dime! All the estate did by stopping Dean from producing Dime tribute guitars was ensure that his fans will no longer be able to get the guitars one of their guitar heroes played unless they want to spend way to much from the people online who re sell the old ones! At least now they can still get these new ones Dean just put out and put their own tribute graphics on them. Hopefully the estate finds another company to produce guitars like Dime's so new generations can still get them!
Sick guitars made by a great brand. Dean is MLs all the way. Dime would be happy i bet.
Piacente guitars are absolute fucking fire. Custom orders only.
I cant even play guitar
I wish I could care react to this
I'm buying one just because it pisses off these babies that aren't even old enough to know history 🤣🤣
I’ve been waiting for this Eric! Lol
Sad was hoping for an official Dime Guitars announcement at NAMM.
Soon
Dean should have just made some peace with Rita and the estate by producing only the models that Dime actually played: the DFH, the FBD Braziliaburst, urban camo, and the Dime-o-flame. And the Razorback...even though we know he never played it, but Dean made it. But that's all...the legacy guitars. The Slime is kinda caught in the middle...nothing will ever match a Washburn Slime. Even if Dime Guitarz make a Stealth shape, you just know they will tacky it up with the DBZ influence.
And even though you can get a blue and black ML from Dean, who is going to paint a lightning bolt over the clearcoat? It's just dumb, and probably just a Namm publicity stunt for that model (it doesn't even have a Floyd) Maybe Dean's next move it to make peace with Buddy Blaze to use the DFH graphic😂
Dean also needs to make these in the USA, or else they're going to have to deal with all the QC nonsense from before.
The real news will be when DimeGuitarz releases their version of the black with silver bevel Stealth.
I want one for sure
I would say its tacky from Dean. Not illegal or anything, just tacky. But that's business. Pantera tribute touring has generated a lot of new interest in Dime and his guitars. Its a shame how things ended between the estate and Dean. Keep in mind Dime is wearing a Dean winged hat on his gravestone. That's what it meant to him.
For me the best dean shape of all time is the DEAN Z
Well if kids want something close to Dimes guitar, that's it. China and everyone are making them, even robbing Washburn. At some point lawsuits need to get paid somehow.
Dean can't really do much due to Gibson and the Dimebag Estate lawsuits. Their only option now is for them to enter new territories in guitar building new designs, shapes and so on. Cause they will not be able to continue by riding off their old designs.
I was so excited to here this no more 12000 for something that ain't worth the price
It's better to pay 1200 than 12000. For guitar that's been sitting in storage or God news. What then you get a brand new guitar? I don't see the problem. Yeah, it's tragic, he died. I'm just so glad they did it now. I can finally afford to get one.
So maybe you realized now since you are a Dimebag fan but they have been doing this shady thing for years even before the pandemic. I don´t know the details because the artists were never vocal about it but when Rusty Cooley was kicked out of Dean guitars (or at least looks that way), they kept the shape that he desinged with his specs and rebranded it, same thing with Michael Angelo Batio and Dave Mustaine and I´m sure others.
It looks they were kicked out since not only they went silent on that but also they rebranded some of them with very suspicious names that seem to just be bad taste.
Rusty Cooleys shape is now "Exile".
Dave Mustaine V is now "Vengance" and Zero is still Zero but they use the "Zero F*cks Given" slogan to sell it.
Michael Angelo´s Shape is lost and maybe he just didn´t let them go on with it.
Rusty wasn't "kicked out" of Dean. He left, along with MAB and Dave Mustaine. Unless those artists trademarked the shapes, Dean (or any company) has full reign to use the shape at their will.
Yes, Dean rebranded and changed some of their older signature models into regular production models with slight modifications to avoid copyright infringement (VMNT became the Vengeance).
It's unfortunate, and there are a lot of questionable moves from the company, although there's not much we can really do about it outside of not buying the guitars - if you feel that strong about what's going on.
honestly I expected worse like a Ml with a straight head like they do for their other models... after the point of view of the Dimebag heritage I find it disgusting but I always wanted a dean far beyond driven from Dimebag and not having the means I say to myself why not especially if the price remains reasonable
I was going to buy a dean when they come back in stock but Idk now