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Don't worry Flamu, once they've sold enough premium subs, they'll release a premium cruiser that has 'Active Sonar' that detects subs from 10km away. Then they'll slowly roll that out to other cruisers until subs are unplayable. Then they'll create a new type of sub called the 'gunboat' sub that doesn't rely on stealth and torpedoes for damage, but rather has high agility and rapid firing guns.
Through what channels can players feedback their issues with subs and feel like they're listened to? In any way? No, seriously. With the closure of forums etc it feels like they truly don't give a sh*t
If World of Warplanes is anything to go by. Maybe WG is just a Artificial Intelligence designed to extract Money. The world could end in Nuclear War and yet World of Tanks, Planes and Warships will still be running, somehow.
Yes. Im really baffled too. Also with all the fun and engaging Submarines and Carriers which got added. WG really needs to double down on all these things. Then it might become better. Lets see. 😕
It's like they spent all this time and effort building the underwater maps, subs and "enhanced" carrier gameplay and they didn't want it to be wasted. Not that anyone asked for subs and "enhanced" carriers, but that's not the point. It's like the boss let them rough draft a few ideas for a few months and decided I can't have nothing to show for that time so we must push this forward. Then it became a clusterfuck trying to implement all these new mechanics into the original game. I just don't think they thought they would be able to get a bag from something few players wanted.
An ex Russian Company with that ex soviet autocratic mindset which is still prevailing in most of eastern Europe, and thats what we get ... I mean by certain metrics everybody can claim success. Even if its just that they are profitable., which by todays standards of capitalistic thinking is everything that counts.
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 I honestly quit 4 days after the CV rework, that was the last straw for me. I don't see how they can lure people in with a fun game and get them to spend all kinds of money, then change it to the point where it isn't even the same game anymore. Has to be some kind of bait and switch or something...
On the contrary, over the time both wg and gaijin fans became more and more demanding for premium account and people were gladly paying for something that was free before. People are stupid.
A lot of my friends stopped after subs were introduced. Every other class so far could be somehow outplayed with game sense and skill, while a sub can just pop up on your broadside and one-shot, or spam homing torpedoes without being detected... So if the enemy has a competent sub and you draw the first time sub player who dies in the first 2 minutes, the game is already decided
At least they could have given like subwater radar to destoryers maybe 8 km range for example as cruisers detect dds. As you said in this way playing against subs are really disturbing.
I found it hard as F___ to try to damage a sub with air dropped ASW. I can count on one hand, the number of times I actually managed to sink one. It's pathetic. I quit playing in March. @@ShaneMcGrath.
It’s kind of true, but I fear that’s just keeping up false hopes. I don’t think there’s any studio out there willing to pick up and fix this game due to the sheer mess and colossal efforts it would entail. You’ve gotta remember, this game uses a 2001 engine- just changing that would be extremely complicated, but then there’s also 7 years of spaghetti coding that must be an absolute nightmare to deal with,… all of that in addition to balance problems, required reworks,….
What kind of developer would take over this steaming piece of garbage that WoWs has been made into??? You can't just FIX it. It would need a total redo of the whole game to make it good again. That ain't never happening. Plus the remaining people that play religiously make weegee more money than 5x more of sort of F2P players.
@@lalxlyeah that’s exactly my point. Fixing wows is pretty much impossible, only a total remake could fix things, but there pretty much isn’t any incentive to do that because as you say, i’ve never seen bigger whales than on ones. Like i genuinely don’t think i’ve every seen anyone put 1000+ $ on other games, yet on wows that seems like a pretty average amount for players who buy ships
@@jijoux9161 CS:GO players spending thousands to gamble for knives lol. Mobile gacha players also blow wows whales out of the water but it feels kind of unfair to include those games.
I left the game last June, but i still check your vids to see if an update will make me come back. Unfortunately it gets worse and worse with each update so...
Without any real alternatives, WG will have a monopoly on this type of game, specifically focused on warships. Yes the decline in player quantity and quality is noticable but to be fair, it's still not bad for a game that is almost 10 years old. Could it be better? Yes. - Could it be worse? Definitely.
I stopped playing this year and hell, I've got plenty more time for other games.... and even if a competition would be nice, I don't mind it too much... there is more entertainment than one could consume in a lifetime already
Even more than whos not playing any more, is whos not paying. I own almost every ship released 2021 and earlier. Id drop egregious sums on christmas containers, and i was happy to keep doing so indefinitely because it was fun. With subs and ridiculous cvs like Nak and the supers coming out ... I might still login a few times a month to yolo some German BBs in ranked but will not be dropping a cent ever again.
ive never dropped an "egregious" amount of money on the game, maybe a few dollars here and there, and the last time i spent a lot of money on a ship was for alaska before it was removed. Now i dont even feel like spending any money on the game anymore
WG clearly shows no interest on keeping old players but rather get some new players and expect them to spend some quick bucks before getting bored. New players fall for wg scam tricks, don't know how good/bad the ships they sell are, don't hoard resources (thus more likely to pay for them) and they don't complain. The perfect customer. And for old players, we have the FOMO kitakami event for the dumbest ones to try to dry their balls for a ship 6 times the price on resources!
Not sure they're getting many new players in, at least not any that stays long enough to become "addicts". I still enjoy ships but I pretty much never play randoms these days. Not sure the younger generations can be arsed with the slow evolving game play. Shame really as there some really good stuff in this game as well.
Haven`t touched the game in 2 years, it`s so much better for my mental health. Does anyone remember how fkng good this game was in 2016/17? Hard to believe how hard WG fumbled. I guess arrogance is not a very good trait for a dev. I hope flamu will pick up another game in the future that I can enjoy.
@@ShaneMcGrath. honestly, I mostly quit before they came out, but I remember CVs being more annoying. Subs at least leave you alone if they're on the other side of the map. But I didn't play against subs much, so maybe that would change with exposure. Not that I'll ever find out.
it won't ever happen, that would require their braindead devs to admit they are clueless, they would rather run the game into the ground, and that's exactly what is happening.
If Wargaming would actually listen to their more PvE minded players and make new operations, or release a coop game mode with actually more intelligent bots, like in asymmetrical battles, the player number would probably go way up. There’s so many players, myself included, that just don’t want to deal with the toxicity that comes with PvP.
The AI creator's passion for WoWS is the conscience of WG. It's a shame that his hard work and spirit can't reach the PvP battles and management. But PvP is still fun. A lot of things make me angry, but it's fun.
I think among the core issues besides subs are Superships are really divisive, WG seems to be generally reducing their power for the most part (see Clausewitz va Conde for example) and at a certain point they are just a goalpost that has been moved for the purpose of reaming player resources. The fatigue with carriers remaining relatively unchanged and ridiculous will be wearing people out too, a dumbass dev blog every 8-12 months with proposed changes is getting to be a meme at this point. And yeah, the elephant in the room is the submarine debacle. That being said on WGs part they have pushed back the Soviet submarines (why this wasn’t announced anywhere besides a random Discord comment is kind of bizarre) and have not announced any more in the same time that Lesta has added the Soviet subs and announced 2 more premiums (including a hybrid). I’m not sure if that’s reason to celebrate but it’s at least noteworthy. My personal concern is the amount of job postings (especially Art) that WG still has open and what that means for the future.
while they are reducing the power, at hte same time it means ships like Clausewitz are perceived to be... rather boring and even "weak" compared to the more gimmicky stuff. "So, my super ship costs as much as that one... but is just worse and more boring?"
I am/was by no means an amazing player (56%) but I very much enjoyed the game and played for several years regularly. Post carrier rework/submarines, my joy in the game (and the amount I'd spend on premium etc) stopped. I haven't played for over a year. For me, I feel like if AA were significantly better there'd be atleast some hope, but when a ship like an atlanta or mino can't effectively defend themselves..... when you are sitting ontop of a sub and cant see it despite hydro running...there are issues, there are no realistic counters.
I drew the line at scummy monetization. Plenty of devs don’t listen to their playerbase, that’s one thing. Turning every form of progression into a random bundle, that’s a different thing.
Easiest way to fix this game: -Remove sub from normal match, or give player option to choose matchmaking to be "with" Or "without" Sub matchmaking - make CV plane be limited again like 2014-2016 - make supership only playable on some specific mode, so they stop gangbanging tier 9 ship
They gangbang tier 10s too because a lot of them are way stronger than a theoretical tier '11'. They're awful for the game. Poor and lazy designs across the board. Horrible balance.
I think there are two major things that could happen in the future. Since WoWs is monopolized in the naval multiplayer genre of games, it will be difficult for a competitor to just come up and take over WoWs, which means there's a high chance that a studio interested in this genre might buy their studio, so when WG reaches a point where they make a lot of deficit, their only option, or at least the only option for the CEO is to sell the business to another studio, in this case we can only hope the studio is one that listens to their playerbase. The other option I see for WG is realizing their mistake and the fact that sustainability might profit more than short-term profit which will make them do major reforms on the balances within the game. Note that these two predictions are only for a good future for WoWs, WG can also of course do a short-term investment in advertisements, but again, it is pointless if at the end players will start going away. For long-term success, it's either giving someone else leadership, or listen to the playerbase, I see no other way for WG to keep growing within World of Warships. I wish all of you good luck sailors for the future of this game, must you still be interested and in hope...
I wish I could share your optimism but watching what WG has been doing for the last 6 years I don't have any illusions: this game is beyond saving and on the course to a soon death. WG knows this very well. It is now only a matter of milking the players as much as possible for the remaining 2, maybe 3 years. Look at their plans concerning Kitakami...
its almost like terrible game decisions, a total disregard of the player base, lies and crazy greed would make people eventually drop the game. who would have thought
Its not only the number of players. I can remember the time when there where over 40k Players on the servers in EU. You could find games without bots at nearly any tier. You could be on at 3 AM and find a game of most tiers in 10 seconds. Now, not only can you struggle to find a game if your not on at the Main Time, most Players concentrate around the higher Tiers. That means with certain Tiers, the chance you are constantly bottom tier is extremely high. WoWs is in Maintenance/Milking mode. they dont make any effort to change the game in any meaningfull way.
the graph needs to measure number of battles and time in battle. there are a lot of people who just sit idle in port who don't count. it's me, I'm those people who sit idle in port. I forget to shut off my computer before going to work
I left the game but kept interacting in the forums. Then they close those. I do not use discord, I do not understand it, it's not the same as the forums. The one way the had to get me back into the game they killed it. Everything they do is to annoy players.
So if you average the losses, how many years does the game have left? NA is already small, how many more losses can they take? I'm also curious about who TF are the people still buying premium ships? Are they so dense they cannot see the player drop off?
You also have to keep in mind that they don't have to hit zero for the game in that calculation to be dead. At a certain point, the number of players will not be large enough to find games quickly enough for people to stay. Once that happens, it will fall off a cliff. Some hard-core players will play as long as it is possible, but at that point, most will move on. Ps, could be mitigated by bots, but how many people would tolerate a growing number of bot matches in randoms.
I was one of those players that quit after pathetic Submarines got introduced. I was a Closed Alpha Test Player. I quit sometime in March this year. Nothing I have seen since looks good enough to tempt me back. One of my 2 WoWS accounts still has 148 days of Premium Time left, but I don't give a toss. Wargaming can go screw themselves.
No way, people are leaving, I thought predatory Monetization, shot gunning subs that can't be detected by things specifically designed to detect them, terrible matchmaking and no balancing whatsoever was what everyone wanted, shows how much I know, but says a lot more about Wargaming. I mean, nobody will be shocked the numbers are dropping, the AA being near useless on most ships with a matchmaking that usual has a CV in every match, Submarines being the most broken shit I have ever seen in the past 30 years simply drove away most of them, the monetization reaching peak heights done the rest. And WarGaming has none else but themselves to blame for it, they are completely tone-deaf, they don't even play their own game or even care for it, they actively hate everything and everyone.
Cbt player here with 50k games under my belt. Last i played constantly was before they launched battle pass. Tried it once, seemed more like a job than a game. Stopped for a while. Came back for anniversary to collect mad SC and found out they were nerfed. Opened about 150 (already had some SC colleted ) 0 ships, 1k doubloon, 30 days prem. WG tried hard to get me back (free t9 and t5 premium ship crates) but sadly it will be docked longer.
I got an ARP Yamato out of one of my 15 super containers I also haven't spent a dime in over a year I think the game is trying to A: get me to spend money, B: play more.
Say that it takes players an average of 20 seconds to find a match. That's 24 players matched every 20 seconds. If an average match is 15 minutes, there might be (15*60/20)=45 matches running concurrently in random battles. 45battles*24players=1,080 players are driving boats in randoms at any one time. Now it's up to you to decide if you think 8,000 players in menus/co-op/ranked is too big of a number, but given all the crap they make you do in port now, it wouldn't surprise me
It depends what game mode are those 9k players playing. Not everyone plays randoms, many play ranked, others go for brawls and there's a big chunk of coop only players. So from those 9k there's about 1.5-2k that are playing randoms, and from that less than 300 people on your tier section. From those 300 there's about 90% already in battle so you're left with less than 30 players to queue in. And it's 20 sec wait time cause there might be too many guys that want to play BB or DD so it's waiting for others to queue with cruisers. That's why if the online players count drops below 5k the MM struggles and gives you smaller teams (8v8 or 9v9).
@@SebaX92 i at times just sit in the habour, struggling with myself "I kinda want to play a round... but I know exactly what a crap show that'd be... But I'm kiiinda in the mood..."
So... This might be something to test... I was having a frustrating session, and got shotgunned by a gato in a cruiser with my hydro up, in the first 5 minutes of a match. I was so pissed I gave every negative one I had to that gato player and stopped playing for 24 hours. I then came back in and had 8 matches in a row, amazing match making. Two days later wanted to try it again, put myself in position to get shot gunned by a sub, gave him all my -1 then quit for 24 hours. Had another night of amazing MM. Yeah its only two instances, but still...
You know, if you project forward, you can estimate how long until each game server reaches a critical player population. I can't be bothered doing it myself, but someone probably already has. Of course, that person doesn't work for Wargaming, as WG clearly have no idea what's happening.
I just came back a few months ago after taking a couple years off and Im already thinking of leaving again because of the state of CVs and subs. They just seem to suck all the fun out of the game.
I stopped when I realised that as a medium player, after T7 - T8 you needed GOOD to excellent games to break even Worse, if I wanted fully kitted out ships, I simply couldn't since I lacked the skill to be good to excellent game after game. And game were I did good payout was so small in comparaison to the costs that it simply wasn't feasable ( "forever" grind). The only T8 I could afford was the Bismarck since it came free in a event ! After a while turning on the same T6 to T8 ships and slowly but surely loosing all my credits I just stopped.
I quit playing a while back, came back, got caught up in the whole Lushun dockyard thing, then suddenly realised I was still not having any fun. Playing a sub could be considered fun because you're basically driving around a big "I win" button but it's boring AF. So I quit again, don't think I will be back again because it seems that WG isn't paying any attention whatsoever and is insisting on making more and more bad decisions. War Thunder, on the other hand, might get subs in the game (since they just ran an event with them) and those are implemented so much better it's actually a fun and challenging experience.
I'll be honest, I'm not surprised. Being the depraved moron I am, I started to play World of Warships around 2018, while at the same time I was getting sick of World of Tanks (I was a 10 year vet when I quit in 2021 with a 2600 1000 battle WN8). It's honestly baffling that they're doing THE SAME SHIT that killed my own and my entire clan's interest in playing Tanks ever again (neglecting tech tree vehicles, constantly releasing premium vehicles, destroying unique tanks for cookie cutter game design choices,etc). The amount of bad decisions Wargaming makes is comical at this point.
Stopped playing wows around march this year, not gonna lie I've been a much happier and less toxic person ever since. This game is like an abusive relationship, it takes your money, spits in your face and expects you to change for it. I am having a much better time olaying different games i enjoy, instead of log in every day grind the same missions and techtree over and over, getting abused by CVs and subs and raging at the bullshitary
Unrelated sorta, but for Legends. I was an alpha tester. I quit after release when it became clear they didn't care about feedback. (Funnily enough they later introduced stuff all their testers told them during the alpha, but years later.) Checked in a year later around when they introduced carriers AND paying to play prerelease ship lines (Legends started it. You're welcome). Lasted one month before I got fed up. Last week I re-installed because it was the introduction of the Hololive collab. The four commanders could be earned for free by logging in and doing a few easy missions a day. Before I logged in I had time to think. I uninstalled it. I am a massive Holoweeb, but I just couldn't be bothered. WG have done too much damage. Legends doesn't even have subs yet. I don't know anyone who still plays it.
I love this game so much that I don’t feel angry any more. Today I logged on, stared at my ship collection and I decided to log off. I genuinely fell bad for this game, and how it is being ran into the ground.
Dying means that it isn't there yet, but is not getting healthier to the point it will recover. Hence, based on your own video, yes, the game is dying. It is not dead yet and it will struggle for several years for sure, but it is, in fact, dying.
The economy of this game is so F I don't even want to play it anymore. After a long time not log into Wows, I decided to play 2 Breast game. One while among the top 3 players, I earned 10k credits, another not so good match, I got -30~-40k credits, just by playing the game? So I got punished, lost my hard earned credit because I'm a F2p player without Premium, and Weegee is only allow me to get +20% credit, which can't even cover the ship repair cost.
bet there's a kitakami spike as the commander of my clan who hadn't played for over 1000 days is back & used all the oil earned in that time to boost clan research points.
With all the trash WG has implemented the past 3 or so years the future trajectory was known to all of us who actually play(ed) the game, obviously the people supposedly developing this game are not within that group. Those changes such as subs are withering the core gameplay of ship-to-ship artillery battles. Only way to redeem the game is to delete subs and greatly reduce the CV influence on battles. Looking at the way the game continues to progress, or rather regress, I'm glad I stopped playing as the subs were forcibly rolled out.
Shit i use to play both WoT and WoWs but ever since they added pay to win in WoT cant get best equipment with out battle pass and submarines into WoWs they can go F them selves and i use to buy premium ships and tanks all the time and paid for premium accounts but it comes to a point when the tanks and ship are in loot boxes and u need to pay for a premium account and battle passes to be competitive its basically a mobile gotcha pay to win game now
Yeah WoT has certainly gone that way (ptw) beyond saving. Wows not quite there yet but they're digging their own grave without having the massive numbers of players that WoT still has.
I play on the Asia server from 2014. The reason for the numbers decline? for me...Subs>nah, superships>meh, money grabbing>perhaps, shitty matchmaking at T8>YES!...Easily THE most annoying!
Are we just going to forget that other video you did that showed 60%+ of players don't play anymore and that 92% of profiles have essentially been inactive for months?
Subs and CVs are not the only reasons for the decline, but probably a big part of it. WG's weird and nonsensical decisions like making Arms Race and Airship Escort a part of random battles would also make a significant contribution to the decline. I'd never imagine actually missing Epicenter, but now I do. The unpredictability when it comes to ship restrictions in Clan Battles should be a pointer, imagine balancing ships to begin with, so that you don't have to mess with ship limitations in the first place. Put some predatory monetization and copypasta bullshit ships, as well as a shitty matchmaker into the mix, and you got yourself a proper shitshow. I used to love this game, I still do oddly enough, but I really, really hate it, too...
And because of that many good/unicuum players leave, making the MM consist mostly 45% and below. So for a 55%er this really bad cause he has to carry. Which is tiring cause you have zero help, so after playing few battles you feel like if you've played 2-3 hours. Mentally exhausted.
If there only could be a rally for a "demonstration" against WG. For exemple, every single one that thinks and feel that Subs have nothing to do in this game or dont want them in it refuses to play the game one month. For exemple december that is a moneycow month for WG. Maybe that will open their eyes and make then "listen". I dont know, but im struggling. I like the game but this late year craziness with so many moneyfishing "events" and the subs.. oh the subs... The biggest strike against dedicated players and newcomers.. Would also be nice if wows youtubers would all or most agree to push for one months ban on a certain date.. yes u make money on the game but in the long run its for your own channels sake also.
When so many other game comes out after covid and the game experience is getting more and more frustrating. I don't even recommend any of my friends to this game.
every time i remember i used to enjoy world of warships... i remember the devs also made world of warplanes and i had low hopes to begin with for our loved boat game
I mean, I don’t care about what you guys said all the time but I posted in the Reddit just a calm not even a post about the games already dead that the numbers gonna keep declining because the changes and the latest additions does not make any sense anymore and they don’t rhyme ( subs. Specially, a sub that do 40 kn underwater.) they had all kind of replies to my comment from concerned citizens of wargaming.
keep in mind people, it doesn't matter if the player numbers drop by 20% or 50%, as long as players buy doubloons, WG is making money, that means more free-to-play resource biddings (steel, research points, coal, credits, free exp, you name the resource) and more lootbox exlusive ships or new doubloon-only ships. it doesn't matter that you have a billion battles on your account, if you don't use you wallet, WG doesn't care about you. If a new player buys himself a doubloon ship, that actually makes WG money.
It's kinda sad. I used to play this game religiously, and as a unicum. I can't bring myself to even turn on my pc anymore. Situation might have been different if I really felt like I was rewarded for my loyalty to the game, but it's clear to me they don't give a toss
The funny part of following your channel is - How much you complain about the game/ the way it’s being handled. And how much time you spend putting into the game. - it’s like the game you love to hate. 😂 Great videos and all, just funny.
The real data that we will never know is money income. To lose players is an indication ofc. BUT perhaps many of the "leavers" were f2p. However if I had to make a bet I would bet profits are going down.
Like I cannot understand why they did CV rework in the first place... original rts-style CV gameplay was fine; CV play was fun for people who were into that, AA did something, and dodging stuff was more meaningul. Sure you could get cross dropped by a really good player and taken out, but chance of playing against them was fairly low on average. Also, there was balance on the other side, battleships could take out each other, big guys did AP, cruisers did HE, DD's did their thing, and all was good. Then WG started with gimmicks, HE spammers with magic heals like conqueror, HE smoked up spammers like smolensk with paper thin armor that a BB cannot citadel it, etc. etc. etc.
Less than a month of prem time and I am done with playing on a regular basis. Most of my old clan in World of Tnanks has quit it and they were 10+ year players.
I want to play the game. I just do not find it fun with CVs and subs in random battles, and messing with the AA. I want to play fun games. I'm back to playing Skyrim even though it is 10 years old. I played so many hours of World of Warships even with the old CVs and it was better than now because at least AA worked. No one put plains on a clevland. I do not sat anything on wargaming forums because they will just delete your comments or blacklist you. I have never seen devs that HATE their players so much.
WG - Our numbers say differently, you did the math wrong, here let me show you the statistics from our viewpoint, etc . They have the skill of a Rutabaga to run a game properly and to high profit and player satisfaction again.
Wait, you mean to tell me that ridiculous amounts of monetization, lying to players and not listening to feedback from your game's community would make them all turn heel and find better games with more respectful devs to play? Who would've thunk it.
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I kinda hate making these vids, but you can't just shut your eyes to reality. WG are making some awful decisions.
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They are also charging a shit load for everything.
Someone has to speak truth to power, & it may as well be you
Don't worry Flamu, once they've sold enough premium subs, they'll release a premium cruiser that has 'Active Sonar' that detects subs from 10km away. Then they'll slowly roll that out to other cruisers until subs are unplayable. Then they'll create a new type of sub called the 'gunboat' sub that doesn't rely on stealth and torpedoes for damage, but rather has high agility and rapid firing guns.
Through what channels can players feedback their issues with subs and feel like they're listened to? In any way? No, seriously. With the closure of forums etc it feels like they truly don't give a sh*t
If World of Warplanes is anything to go by. Maybe WG is just a Artificial Intelligence designed to extract Money. The world could end in Nuclear War and yet World of Tanks, Planes and Warships will still be running, somehow.
Weird, I never thought that predatory monetization and not listening to community feedback would drive players away… how strange 😮
Suprise pikachu face :O
Yes. Im really baffled too. Also with all the fun and engaging Submarines and Carriers which got added.
WG really needs to double down on all these things. Then it might become better. Lets see. 😕
This is the Disney line of thinking: Don't accept responsibility for your bad decisions, blame the customer for complaining about the bad decisions.
It's like they spent all this time and effort building the underwater maps, subs and "enhanced" carrier gameplay and they didn't want it to be wasted. Not that anyone asked for subs and "enhanced" carriers, but that's not the point.
It's like the boss let them rough draft a few ideas for a few months and decided I can't have nothing to show for that time so we must push this forward. Then it became a clusterfuck trying to implement all these new mechanics into the original game.
I just don't think they thought they would be able to get a bag from something few players wanted.
An ex Russian Company with that ex soviet autocratic mindset which is still prevailing in most of eastern Europe, and thats what we get ... I mean by certain metrics everybody can claim success. Even if its just that they are profitable., which by todays standards of capitalistic thinking is everything that counts.
The sad part is that they'll probably rise the prices to compesate the lack of players
sad part is people still give them money
I stopped doing that. f2p all the way and only casually, because it's too frustrating to be a "main game" @@hardkur
And they already did it few months ago. 7500 dubs used to be for about 22 euro and now it's almost 25.
That drives more players away...
Probably just a cash-cow nowadays 😒
It's almost as if making the game worse makes people want to play it less
2017-20 pre sub era was best then cv rework AA and PR came xD
@@grimmshredsanguinus2915 I honestly quit 4 days after the CV rework, that was the last straw for me. I don't see how they can lure people in with a fun game and get them to spend all kinds of money, then change it to the point where it isn't even the same game anymore. Has to be some kind of bait and switch or something...
@@jamesm6638 indeed at last ranked and clan battles wont have them frequently
On the contrary, over the time both wg and gaijin fans became more and more demanding for premium account and people were gladly paying for something that was free before. People are stupid.
A lot of my friends stopped after subs were introduced.
Every other class so far could be somehow outplayed with game sense and skill, while a sub can just pop up on your broadside and one-shot, or spam homing torpedoes without being detected...
So if the enemy has a competent sub and you draw the first time sub player who dies in the first 2 minutes, the game is already decided
The ping location is also ridiculous, Some of them move so fast you drop where you think they are going and it's not even close.
At least they could have given like subwater radar to destoryers maybe 8 km range for example as cruisers detect dds. As you said in this way playing against subs are really disturbing.
I found it hard as F___ to try to damage a sub with air dropped ASW. I can count on one hand, the number of times I actually managed to sink one. It's pathetic. I quit playing in March. @@ShaneMcGrath.
Forget subs. A lot of the people I used to play with quit after the CV rework.
I play a LOT less since subs. When hybrid subs come to NA, I'm uninstalling for sure.
Honestly, the best hope is to pass the game onto a different studio and pray to whoever's listening that they can salvage the mess.
It’s kind of true, but I fear that’s just keeping up false hopes. I don’t think there’s any studio out there willing to pick up and fix this game due to the sheer mess and colossal efforts it would entail. You’ve gotta remember, this game uses a 2001 engine- just changing that would be extremely complicated, but then there’s also 7 years of spaghetti coding that must be an absolute nightmare to deal with,… all of that in addition to balance problems, required reworks,….
@@jijoux9161I think we'd need a "world of warships II" to fix all the problems
What kind of developer would take over this steaming piece of garbage that WoWs has been made into??? You can't just FIX it. It would need a total redo of the whole game to make it good again. That ain't never happening. Plus the remaining people that play religiously make weegee more money than 5x more of sort of F2P players.
@@lalxlyeah that’s exactly my point. Fixing wows is pretty much impossible, only a total remake could fix things, but there pretty much isn’t any incentive to do that because as you say, i’ve never seen bigger whales than on ones. Like i genuinely don’t think i’ve every seen anyone put 1000+ $ on other games, yet on wows that seems like a pretty average amount for players who buy ships
@@jijoux9161 CS:GO players spending thousands to gamble for knives lol. Mobile gacha players also blow wows whales out of the water but it feels kind of unfair to include those games.
in most matches on NA, i've been seeing more sub 45% WR players on both teams and less above 50%
It’s getting bad. Most of the good players have been quitting.
Ya sounds about right, I am convinced wg made a bunch of bots with ai generated names, and just lets them fill up games.
I quit last year. Most games were unplayable and just frustrating. Its like 2 year olds were captaining ships.
in NA's case "most matches" while in asia it's every time.
@@rungfang27 a normal farming bot will get like 45% WR. P
layers with 43% or less play for fun KEKW
I left the game last June, but i still check your vids to see if an update will make me come back. Unfortunately it gets worse and worse with each update so...
Without any real alternatives, WG will have a monopoly on this type of game, specifically focused on warships. Yes the decline in player quantity and quality is noticable but to be fair, it's still not bad for a game that is almost 10 years old. Could it be better? Yes. - Could it be worse? Definitely.
Their WERE alturnatives, but they all died.
I stopped playing this year and hell, I've got plenty more time for other games.... and even if a competition would be nice, I don't mind it too much... there is more entertainment than one could consume in a lifetime already
Even more than whos not playing any more, is whos not paying.
I own almost every ship released 2021 and earlier. Id drop egregious sums on christmas containers, and i was happy to keep doing so indefinitely because it was fun.
With subs and ridiculous cvs like Nak and the supers coming out ... I might still login a few times a month to yolo some German BBs in ranked but will not be dropping a cent ever again.
ive never dropped an "egregious" amount of money on the game, maybe a few dollars here and there, and the last time i spent a lot of money on a ship was for alaska before it was removed. Now i dont even feel like spending any money on the game anymore
WG clearly shows no interest on keeping old players but rather get some new players and expect them to spend some quick bucks before getting bored. New players fall for wg scam tricks, don't know how good/bad the ships they sell are, don't hoard resources (thus more likely to pay for them) and they don't complain. The perfect customer. And for old players, we have the FOMO kitakami event for the dumbest ones to try to dry their balls for a ship 6 times the price on resources!
Not sure they're getting many new players in, at least not any that stays long enough to become "addicts". I still enjoy ships but I pretty much never play randoms these days. Not sure the younger generations can be arsed with the slow evolving game play. Shame really as there some really good stuff in this game as well.
Haven`t touched the game in 2 years, it`s so much better for my mental health.
Does anyone remember how fkng good this game was in 2016/17? Hard to believe how hard WG fumbled.
I guess arrogance is not a very good trait for a dev.
I hope flamu will pick up another game in the future that I can enjoy.
Beta until the CV rework was good times.
Oh man, that period of WoWs was great @@ColdProphecy
They ought to see what happens to the numbers if they banned CVs and subs for a quarter.
Even just a "surface engagements" game mode would be wildly popular
@@RandomName55 That`s a good idea. I like it.
Just subs would be enough.
@@ShaneMcGrath. honestly, I mostly quit before they came out, but I remember CVs being more annoying.
Subs at least leave you alone if they're on the other side of the map.
But I didn't play against subs much, so maybe that would change with exposure. Not that I'll ever find out.
it won't ever happen, that would require their braindead devs to admit they are clueless, they would rather run the game into the ground, and that's exactly what is happening.
If Wargaming would actually listen to their more PvE minded players and make new operations, or release a coop game mode with actually more intelligent bots, like in asymmetrical battles, the player number would probably go way up. There’s so many players, myself included, that just don’t want to deal with the toxicity that comes with PvP.
A point that you don't hear often in the PvP focused community that much, but is still very true
Turn off battle chat in Randoms and there you go, a lot of bots or players of equivalent value...
@@viktorsagi9361 Yeah, but bots spend more time with their guns facing the enemy and not their ass like 80% of the player base
The AI creator's passion for WoWS is the conscience of WG. It's a shame that his hard work and spirit can't reach the PvP battles and management. But PvP is still fun. A lot of things make me angry, but it's fun.
Just came back a month ago since almost 4 years and I'm having a great time. With all the new ships this game has gotten much better imo. Cheers.
Same. I quit in 2022 when Subs were OP, but I just started playing again. New ships are fun and I'm having fun. Thankfully Subs got a huge nerf.
I think among the core issues besides subs are Superships are really divisive, WG seems to be generally reducing their power for the most part (see Clausewitz va Conde for example) and at a certain point they are just a goalpost that has been moved for the purpose of reaming player resources. The fatigue with carriers remaining relatively unchanged and ridiculous will be wearing people out too, a dumbass dev blog every 8-12 months with proposed changes is getting to be a meme at this point. And yeah, the elephant in the room is the submarine debacle.
That being said on WGs part they have pushed back the Soviet submarines (why this wasn’t announced anywhere besides a random Discord comment is kind of bizarre) and have not announced any more in the same time that Lesta has added the Soviet subs and announced 2 more premiums (including a hybrid). I’m not sure if that’s reason to celebrate but it’s at least noteworthy. My personal concern is the amount of job postings (especially Art) that WG still has open and what that means for the future.
Cus they expect people to only look at discord i guess? Like they have a freaking youtube channel ANNOUNCE SHIT LIKE THAT!
while they are reducing the power, at hte same time it means ships like Clausewitz are perceived to be... rather boring and even "weak" compared to the more gimmicky stuff. "So, my super ship costs as much as that one... but is just worse and more boring?"
I am/was by no means an amazing player (56%) but I very much enjoyed the game and played for several years regularly.
Post carrier rework/submarines, my joy in the game (and the amount I'd spend on premium etc) stopped. I haven't played for over a year.
For me, I feel like if AA were significantly better there'd be atleast some hope, but when a ship like an atlanta or mino can't effectively defend themselves..... when you are sitting ontop of a sub and cant see it despite hydro running...there are issues, there are no realistic counters.
I drew the line at scummy monetization. Plenty of devs don’t listen to their playerbase, that’s one thing. Turning every form of progression into a random bundle, that’s a different thing.
wow ... i've been gone 2 full years.
Easiest way to fix this game:
-Remove sub from normal match, or give player option to choose matchmaking to be "with" Or "without" Sub matchmaking
- make CV plane be limited again like 2014-2016
- make supership only playable on some specific mode, so they stop gangbanging tier 9 ship
They gangbang tier 10s too because a lot of them are way stronger than a theoretical tier '11'. They're awful for the game. Poor and lazy designs across the board. Horrible balance.
make DDs detectable by sub to 0.5km
And add more operations, or smarter bots in coop mode
When T10 ranked is 5v5 you know, that this Server has a problem
I think there are two major things that could happen in the future. Since WoWs is monopolized in the naval multiplayer genre of games, it will be difficult for a competitor to just come up and take over WoWs, which means there's a high chance that a studio interested in this genre might buy their studio, so when WG reaches a point where they make a lot of deficit, their only option, or at least the only option for the CEO is to sell the business to another studio, in this case we can only hope the studio is one that listens to their playerbase. The other option I see for WG is realizing their mistake and the fact that sustainability might profit more than short-term profit which will make them do major reforms on the balances within the game.
Note that these two predictions are only for a good future for WoWs, WG can also of course do a short-term investment in advertisements, but again, it is pointless if at the end players will start going away. For long-term success, it's either giving someone else leadership, or listen to the playerbase, I see no other way for WG to keep growing within World of Warships. I wish all of you good luck sailors for the future of this game, must you still be interested and in hope...
I wish I could share your optimism but watching what WG has been doing for the last 6 years I don't have any illusions: this game is beyond saving and on the course to a soon death. WG knows this very well. It is now only a matter of milking the players as much as possible for the remaining 2, maybe 3 years. Look at their plans concerning Kitakami...
Buying intellectual property - maybe, no one would buy and continue supporting a game on this potato engine
its almost like terrible game decisions, a total disregard of the player base, lies and crazy greed would make people eventually drop the game.
who would have thought
Its not only the number of players. I can remember the time when there where over 40k Players on the servers in EU. You could find games without bots at nearly any tier. You could be on at 3 AM and find a game of most tiers in 10 seconds.
Now, not only can you struggle to find a game if your not on at the Main Time, most Players concentrate around the higher Tiers. That means with certain Tiers, the chance you are constantly bottom tier is extremely high.
WoWs is in Maintenance/Milking mode. they dont make any effort to change the game in any meaningfull way.
Reddit is already trying to "Acktually, Flamu is wrong."
the graph needs to measure number of battles and time in battle. there are a lot of people who just sit idle in port who don't count.
it's me, I'm those people who sit idle in port. I forget to shut off my computer before going to work
I left the game but kept interacting in the forums. Then they close those. I do not use discord, I do not understand it, it's not the same as the forums. The one way the had to get me back into the game they killed it. Everything they do is to annoy players.
Player Count Dropped 12%... Yet teams playing in KOTS dropped 50%, at least on NA.
War Gamimg: lalala I can't hear you *playerbase plummets*
WT: Okay, you win, here we'll change things *playerbase grows*
So if you average the losses, how many years does the game have left? NA is already small, how many more losses can they take?
I'm also curious about who TF are the people still buying premium ships? Are they so dense they cannot see the player drop off?
You also have to keep in mind that they don't have to hit zero for the game in that calculation to be dead. At a certain point, the number of players will not be large enough to find games quickly enough for people to stay. Once that happens, it will fall off a cliff. Some hard-core players will play as long as it is possible, but at that point, most will move on.
Ps, could be mitigated by bots, but how many people would tolerate a growing number of bot matches in randoms.
NA will be semi dead in 3-4 years, EU in 5. Unless WG will make something more crazy that will drop not by 12% but by 20% each year.
@@SebaX92 That's practically the immediate future.
I hope WG adds submarine cv hybrids to make it go faster.
@@Omegawerewolfx Lesta is doing it so WG will follow.
@@SebaX92 nice, bring the end closer
I was one of those players that quit after pathetic Submarines got introduced. I was a Closed Alpha Test Player. I quit sometime in March this year. Nothing I have seen since looks good enough to tempt me back. One of my 2 WoWS accounts still has 148 days of Premium Time left, but I don't give a toss. Wargaming can go screw themselves.
No way, people are leaving, I thought predatory Monetization, shot gunning subs that can't be detected by things specifically designed to detect them, terrible matchmaking and no balancing whatsoever was what everyone wanted, shows how much I know, but says a lot more about Wargaming.
I mean, nobody will be shocked the numbers are dropping, the AA being near useless on most ships with a matchmaking that usual has a CV in every match, Submarines being the most broken shit I have ever seen in the past 30 years simply drove away most of them, the monetization reaching peak heights done the rest.
And WarGaming has none else but themselves to blame for it, they are completely tone-deaf, they don't even play their own game or even care for it, they actively hate everything and everyone.
Cbt player here with 50k games under my belt. Last i played constantly was before they launched battle pass. Tried it once, seemed more like a job than a game. Stopped for a while. Came back for anniversary to collect mad SC and found out they were nerfed. Opened about 150 (already had some SC colleted ) 0 ships, 1k doubloon, 30 days prem. WG tried hard to get me back (free t9 and t5 premium ship crates) but sadly it will be docked longer.
I got an ARP Yamato out of one of my 15 super containers
I also haven't spent a dime in over a year I think the game is trying to A: get me to spend money, B: play more.
@@GarretTheGussy lucky dog. Not even a t5 prem ship in 150.
I never believed in game player count was accurate. the fact that it takes 20 secs to find a match with 9k people online is crazy.
Player count shows people logged in. Doesn't show how many are in the queue and at what tiers... well, used to in days of old.
Say that it takes players an average of 20 seconds to find a match. That's 24 players matched every 20 seconds. If an average match is 15 minutes, there might be (15*60/20)=45 matches running concurrently in random battles. 45battles*24players=1,080 players are driving boats in randoms at any one time. Now it's up to you to decide if you think 8,000 players in menus/co-op/ranked is too big of a number, but given all the crap they make you do in port now, it wouldn't surprise me
It depends what game mode are those 9k players playing. Not everyone plays randoms, many play ranked, others go for brawls and there's a big chunk of coop only players. So from those 9k there's about 1.5-2k that are playing randoms, and from that less than 300 people on your tier section. From those 300 there's about 90% already in battle so you're left with less than 30 players to queue in. And it's 20 sec wait time cause there might be too many guys that want to play BB or DD so it's waiting for others to queue with cruisers. That's why if the online players count drops below 5k the MM struggles and gives you smaller teams (8v8 or 9v9).
@@SebaX92 i at times just sit in the habour, struggling with myself "I kinda want to play a round... but I know exactly what a crap show that'd be... But I'm kiiinda in the mood..."
@@undertakernumberone1 if you have an active clan and play divisions it'll be much better.
They need to merge the regions together. There is not enough in any region to stay separate. This separation has always been awful.
So... This might be something to test... I was having a frustrating session, and got shotgunned by a gato in a cruiser with my hydro up, in the first 5 minutes of a match. I was so pissed I gave every negative one I had to that gato player and stopped playing for 24 hours. I then came back in and had 8 matches in a row, amazing match making. Two days later wanted to try it again, put myself in position to get shot gunned by a sub, gave him all my -1 then quit for 24 hours. Had another night of amazing MM. Yeah its only two instances, but still...
On the bright side World of Warplanes is now going to have competition for the most bots per battle
*I actually enjoy WoWP btw, great brain off fun*
You know, if you project forward, you can estimate how long until each game server reaches a critical player population. I can't be bothered doing it myself, but someone probably already has. Of course, that person doesn't work for Wargaming, as WG clearly have no idea what's happening.
Crazy to see people still playing this. Stopped playing with the command update and it seems there is still a controversy every month
I just came back a few months ago after taking a couple years off and Im already thinking of leaving again because of the state of CVs and subs. They just seem to suck all the fun out of the game.
In what point RU server started to give ships with coal instead of dubs? Where rest pumps dubs out of players, ru give it "free"
I also wonder how much of the player numbers are people just logging in to the game just for their free daily rewards and then getting off.
A lot. And many switched to play coop only, not that they play it that much, only 2-3 coops, take the first daily crate and log off.
The biggest problem in the server is submarine. You cannot counter it especially ahip such as gato. Best you can do is trading life
So the "silent majority" said nothing and fucked off to play a game that's actually fun.
I stopped when I realised that as a medium player, after T7 - T8 you needed GOOD to excellent games to break even
Worse, if I wanted fully kitted out ships, I simply couldn't since I lacked the skill to be good to excellent game after game. And game were I did good payout was so small in comparaison to the costs that it simply wasn't feasable ( "forever" grind).
The only T8 I could afford was the Bismarck since it came free in a event !
After a while turning on the same T6 to T8 ships and slowly but surely loosing all my credits I just stopped.
I make plus and never paid for it and even have the Shima...I mostly play 10 ships, mostly DDs from Tier 6 to 10.
I quit playing a while back, came back, got caught up in the whole Lushun dockyard thing, then suddenly realised I was still not having any fun. Playing a sub could be considered fun because you're basically driving around a big "I win" button but it's boring AF. So I quit again, don't think I will be back again because it seems that WG isn't paying any attention whatsoever and is insisting on making more and more bad decisions. War Thunder, on the other hand, might get subs in the game (since they just ran an event with them) and those are implemented so much better it's actually a fun and challenging experience.
I haven't played the game in 5 years, but I'd love to go back and play the game I fell in love with 7 years ago.
I'll be honest, I'm not surprised. Being the depraved moron I am, I started to play World of Warships around 2018, while at the same time I was getting sick of World of Tanks (I was a 10 year vet when I quit in 2021 with a 2600 1000 battle WN8). It's honestly baffling that they're doing THE SAME SHIT that killed my own and my entire clan's interest in playing Tanks ever again (neglecting tech tree vehicles, constantly releasing premium vehicles, destroying unique tanks for cookie cutter game design choices,etc). The amount of bad decisions Wargaming makes is comical at this point.
Stopped playing wows around march this year, not gonna lie I've been a much happier and less toxic person ever since. This game is like an abusive relationship, it takes your money, spits in your face and expects you to change for it. I am having a much better time olaying different games i enjoy, instead of log in every day grind the same missions and techtree over and over, getting abused by CVs and subs and raging at the bullshitary
Unrelated sorta, but for Legends. I was an alpha tester. I quit after release when it became clear they didn't care about feedback. (Funnily enough they later introduced stuff all their testers told them during the alpha, but years later.)
Checked in a year later around when they introduced carriers AND paying to play prerelease ship lines (Legends started it. You're welcome). Lasted one month before I got fed up.
Last week I re-installed because it was the introduction of the Hololive collab. The four commanders could be earned for free by logging in and doing a few easy missions a day.
Before I logged in I had time to think. I uninstalled it.
I am a massive Holoweeb, but I just couldn't be bothered.
WG have done too much damage. Legends doesn't even have subs yet.
I don't know anyone who still plays it.
I love this game so much that I don’t feel angry any more. Today I logged on, stared at my ship collection and I decided to log off. I genuinely fell bad for this game, and how it is being ran into the ground.
I bet WG will soon come up with an a la Disney excuse that "the toxic playerbase is guilty."
It should be named WOS - World of Submarines
I think alot of players like the surface ship strategy part of the game without a bunch of goofy crap.
Pure comedy , when im stoned best time to watch flamu rage on weegee , my 200 premiums rotting in port and im not coming back , ever
Dying means that it isn't there yet, but is not getting healthier to the point it will recover. Hence, based on your own video, yes, the game is dying. It is not dead yet and it will struggle for several years for sure, but it is, in fact, dying.
I'm part of that -12% NA drop and better for it :D
The economy of this game is so F I don't even want to play it anymore. After a long time not log into Wows, I decided to play 2 Breast game. One while among the top 3 players, I earned 10k credits, another not so good match, I got -30~-40k credits, just by playing the game? So I got punished, lost my hard earned credit because I'm a F2p player without Premium, and Weegee is only allow me to get +20% credit, which can't even cover the ship repair cost.
Before subs, I play 60+ games per month.
Subs came in random game, I play 6 games per month.
bet there's a kitakami spike as the commander of my clan who hadn't played for over 1000 days is back & used all the oil earned in that time to boost clan research points.
With all the trash WG has implemented the past 3 or so years the future trajectory was known to all of us who actually play(ed) the game, obviously the people supposedly developing this game are not within that group. Those changes such as subs are withering the core gameplay of ship-to-ship artillery battles. Only way to redeem the game is to delete subs and greatly reduce the CV influence on battles.
Looking at the way the game continues to progress, or rather regress, I'm glad I stopped playing as the subs were forcibly rolled out.
now how much of the numbers are new players.
I thought the Spreadsheet was holy.
Flamu needs a tutorial on excel spreadsheets
Shit i use to play both WoT and WoWs but ever since they added pay to win in WoT cant get best equipment with out battle pass and submarines into WoWs they can go F them selves and i use to buy premium ships and tanks all the time and paid for premium accounts but it comes to a point when the tanks and ship are in loot boxes and u need to pay for a premium account and battle passes to be competitive its basically a mobile gotcha pay to win game now
Yeah WoT has certainly gone that way (ptw) beyond saving. Wows not quite there yet but they're digging their own grave without having the massive numbers of players that WoT still has.
I play on the Asia server from 2014. The reason for the numbers decline? for me...Subs>nah, superships>meh, money grabbing>perhaps, shitty matchmaking at T8>YES!...Easily THE most annoying!
Are we just going to forget that other video you did that showed 60%+ of players don't play anymore and that 92% of profiles have essentially been inactive for months?
Subs and CVs are not the only reasons for the decline, but probably a big part of it. WG's weird and nonsensical decisions like making Arms Race and Airship Escort a part of random battles would also make a significant contribution to the decline. I'd never imagine actually missing Epicenter, but now I do. The unpredictability when it comes to ship restrictions in Clan Battles should be a pointer, imagine balancing ships to begin with, so that you don't have to mess with ship limitations in the first place. Put some predatory monetization and copypasta bullshit ships, as well as a shitty matchmaker into the mix, and you got yourself a proper shitshow. I used to love this game, I still do oddly enough, but I really, really hate it, too...
And because of that many good/unicuum players leave, making the MM consist mostly 45% and below. So for a 55%er this really bad cause he has to carry. Which is tiring cause you have zero help, so after playing few battles you feel like if you've played 2-3 hours. Mentally exhausted.
If there only could be a rally for a "demonstration" against WG. For exemple, every single one that thinks and feel that Subs have nothing to do in this game or dont want them in it refuses to play the game one month. For exemple december that is a moneycow month for WG. Maybe that will open their eyes and make then "listen". I dont know, but im struggling. I like the game but this late year craziness with so many moneyfishing "events" and the subs.. oh the subs... The biggest strike against dedicated players and newcomers..
Would also be nice if wows youtubers would all or most agree to push for one months ban on a certain date.. yes u make money on the game but in the long run its for your own channels sake also.
When so many other game comes out after covid and the game experience is getting more and more frustrating. I don't even recommend any of my friends to this game.
every time i remember i used to enjoy world of warships... i remember the devs also made world of warplanes and i had low hopes to begin with for our loved boat game
I would really like to see the numbers of games played and not players.
Quite sure it would look slightly worse.
I mean, I don’t care about what you guys said all the time but I posted in the Reddit just a calm not even a post about the games already dead that the numbers gonna keep declining because the changes and the latest additions does not make any sense anymore and they don’t rhyme ( subs. Specially, a sub that do 40 kn underwater.) they had all kind of replies to my comment from concerned citizens of wargaming.
keep in mind people, it doesn't matter if the player numbers drop by 20% or 50%, as long as players buy doubloons, WG is making money, that means more free-to-play resource biddings (steel, research points, coal, credits, free exp, you name the resource) and more lootbox exlusive ships or new doubloon-only ships.
it doesn't matter that you have a billion battles on your account, if you don't use you wallet, WG doesn't care about you. If a new player buys himself a doubloon ship, that actually makes WG money.
If they get rid of subs and balance carriers I would GLADLY come back and play. I know it won't happen, though.
I left game and gave it a try again around a year ago.
Second time I just deleted account to avoid being tempted again just to log in.
I would still be playing if the game was only battleships, cruisers, and destroyers. Even the carriers were tolerable five years ago.
It's kinda sad. I used to play this game religiously, and as a unicum. I can't bring myself to even turn on my pc anymore. Situation might have been different if I really felt like I was rewarded for my loyalty to the game, but it's clear to me they don't give a toss
The funny part of following your channel is -
How much you complain about the game/ the way it’s being handled.
And how much time you spend putting into the game.
- it’s like the game you love to hate. 😂
Great videos and all, just funny.
Joined in 2016. Played then stopped for year. Only play now a few times a week as i have over 1,000 days of premium I got from santa boxes to use up.
We can simplify this in two words. Submarines, Superships.
The real data that we will never know is money income. To lose players is an indication ofc. BUT perhaps many of the "leavers" were f2p. However if I had to make a bet I would bet profits are going down.
Is player count directly correlated to WG profits though? If they are sucking more cash out of a smaller and smaller player base, does WG care?
People say every year that Wows is dying , and 8 years later there still playing lol.
Like I cannot understand why they did CV rework in the first place... original rts-style CV gameplay was fine; CV play was fun for people who were into that, AA did something, and dodging stuff was more meaningul. Sure you could get cross dropped by a really good player and taken out, but chance of playing against them was fairly low on average.
Also, there was balance on the other side, battleships could take out each other, big guys did AP, cruisers did HE, DD's did their thing, and all was good. Then WG started with gimmicks, HE spammers with magic heals like conqueror, HE smoked up spammers like smolensk with paper thin armor that a BB cannot citadel it, etc. etc. etc.
probably this loong inactive time on RU server shows that russians need to go to work? we have laaaarge playerbase living in same timezone
Less than a month of prem time and I am done with playing on a regular basis. Most of my old clan in World of Tnanks has quit it and they were 10+ year players.
Tbh, the only time I played WOWs is when PTS became online.
it makes me sad. played since beta and there was sooo much potential.
I want to play the game. I just do not find it fun with CVs and subs in random battles, and messing with the AA. I want to play fun games. I'm back to playing Skyrim even though it is 10 years old. I played so many hours of World of Warships even with the old CVs and it was better than now because at least AA worked. No one put plains on a clevland. I do not sat anything on wargaming forums because they will just delete your comments or blacklist you. I have never seen devs that HATE their players so much.
WG - Our numbers say differently, you did the math wrong, here let me show you the statistics from our viewpoint, etc . They have the skill of a Rutabaga to run a game properly and to high profit and player satisfaction again.
I can´t even be bothered to open the game to collect the daily drops
I think they should allow advertising on the side of ships and in port and on the blimps. Ok maybe not the ships.
Who would have thought people would stop playing a game that's nearly 10 years old :O. im shocked.
I stopped playing after the CV rework. Looked into World of Warships early this year but found out there are now subs too and stopped playing again.
They just don't listen, they always know best and this is the result
Wait, you mean to tell me that ridiculous amounts of monetization, lying to players and not listening to feedback from your game's community would make them all turn heel and find better games with more respectful devs to play?
Who would've thunk it.
Are the spikes in count during a CB season? On a CB night? Weekends? Public Holidays?
I went cold turkey 4 months ago. I got fed up with the daily grind and loathed subs. 😮😮😮
Didn't EU use to have like 30k active players?