Douglas Murray and Peter Boghossian - Why are so many people fooled by Woke ideology?
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- Douglas Murray and Peter Boghossian discuss why so many people are fooled by Woke ideology and why they go along with it.
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To be able to hate the Other with a good conscience and get the adrenaline rush that goes with righteous indignation - that's what the appeal is
Beautifully expressed. The energetic charge of being triggered by "an- other's" view is potent and addictive as it engenders a false sense of empowerment. Sadly it has the potential - as is presently apparent- - to create deeper divisiveness and polarities in "communities" & the "divide and rule" intention is accomplished. The people are at war with each other.....
The appeal is low hanging fruit. To be able to claim the moral high ground without any personal effort and at no risk to oneself, is the attraction.
To abuse people while believing that you're doing God's will, just like the inquisition
Well said. It's a licence to hate.
excellently put Stephen..... and ditto the first 3 replies to you.... succinct, and accurate, in my view.
“‘Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.’”
-Syme on Newspeak, Orwell's 1984
Orwell is right about political oppression and dictatorship, but wrong about language - he was not a psychologist or psycholinguist (in any case, psycholinguistics has advanced a lot in the past 75 years). The definition of 'Newspeak' assumes that there is no thought without language. This is a mistake. Concepts are possible without language - scrubbing words out of the dictionary or books will not destroy concepts. Pre-linguistic babies have concepts, as well as non-human primates - and possibly, to a lesser extent, other mammals (psychologists have obsessionally demonstrated this).
@@marieparker3822 Language is about communication, not concepts. And Orwell was right, you cannot express your thoughts if you cannot describe them so other people understand them. This is why we're no longer using signs or pictograms to communicate: we made languages so more people of the same group can easily understand each other
@@marieparker3822
Wow 😯
I cannot disagree more with you 🤷♂️
The formation of new concepts is heavily influenced by language and totally interconnected.
@@marieparker3822 yes. Words as violence is simply the incubatory step of criminalizing thought. Minority Report on deck. It ends up being like Shrodinger's cat. People/animals do in fact feel things (they came first, not second) without a formal language being needed. The language simply codifies it in a way that allows for the idea to be transferable, **but at the cost of intrinsic fidelity**. Think of a hug with no words spoken or thought. A cat just fed and purring expresses contentment without saying it. Words are subject to the telephone effect/a tape that has been copied and degraded -- they are an abstraction. Hearing and experiencing the cat purr is not the same as telling someone the cat was purring.
I apologize for the imperfect analogies, but they show the limits of words.
I think they using such different, artificial language to prove readed or listener there's silent war, hidden fight in system, and how everything in that system overlap, interconnect to each other. Main thing is to do impression about how complex everything is, weaponize it then by mirror reflection - check term "Matrix of domination".
If you can’t engage with someone on woke ideology without them resorting to anger, impatience, name calling and/or shutting the conversation down, that’s your big clue that you are not the problem, their ideas are the problem, and they know it but won’t admit it, even to themselves.
You have just well described Canada's current PM. Thanks.
That's a people problem. Pretty much any political persuasion do it as well.
It's a fact as old as the dirt we walk on.
That's because their whole identity is build around many of the idiotic ideas they defend. They feel completely naked without them, so they feel threatened when they are questioned.
Btw, this is not exclusive from the woke. The far right is on the same boat when it comes to this zealotry.
It used to require good works and sacrifices to be virtuous. That meant a lot of effort. Now all it takes is unthinking bullying.
Douglas Murray is brilliant. Simply brilliant.
@Dnomyar Akunawik yes, just yes
@@MoominJude Dnomyar does not wish to be intellectually challenged.
@Dnomyar Akunawik Oh dear somebody's got a big chip on their shoulder.....
He's brilliant for regurgitating basic bitch conservative-light ideas while avoiding the deeper issues? No.
@@tayzk5929 Please share with us your long list of grievances and cross-sectionalityy of victimhood. In other words, tell us about your butt-hurt.
I think Peter's "it makes them feel good" is the key to answering the question asked by the title to this video.
I spent my entire life with the left and was always that person in the room challenging their ridiculous certainty......I have been shunned by more groups than I can remember......all thanks my stubborn nature and my love of reading classical literature, philosophy and history...go figure?
I think many people have lost friends perhaps it’s time to find new more open minded friends
@@TransparencyandMerit of course, that's also happening......my point is simply to describe how intolerant these groups have always been while claiming to be open, caring, tolerant, etc...
Me, too.
Everyone has to adhere to the dogma. It is an essential feature of collectivism, there can be no room for individual thought. That's why socialism, however well intentioned, cannot be the way to improve the world.
@@enshrinehd - This is a religion and they are the new religious fanatics.
“Everything is made to sound more complex than it is…” this is precisely where the term ‘woke’ comes from. It implies that those who disagree are ‘asleep’.
*_When words lose their meaning, people lose their liberty._*
*_Humility is the solid foundation of all virtues._*
~ Confucius
It's been the resort of con artists through history. Or, as W C Fields put it 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.'
Keeping with the awful grammar, I believe it would be "slept" not "asleep".
@@HarryBalzak
Those who disagree are "slept". Huh???
@@JackHaveman52 As opposed to "woke". Grammatically, slept is the opposite of woke.
In keeping with the awful grammar, that is what it should be.
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For people that haven’t got time to think about things for themselves yeah 🤔😵💫😜🤪😂😅🤣
@@gos4343
It's for people that have jobs, a family with children and other obligations so they have very little time to view long documentaries and their minds are occupied on the responsibilities on hand. While I was working I read around 1 book a month. Now that I'm retired, I read 2 to 3 a week, sometimes more. I also have time to contemplate on what I've just read instead of going to work and solving the maintenance problems that I'm obligated to solve.
@@JackHaveman52 Well yes, that rather plays into my point.
@@gos4343
Really??? It seems as if you were laughing at them. ROFL.....rolling on the floor laughing. Sounds rather condescending to me.
@@JackHaveman52 yes.
Brilliant and hits the nail on the head. I love what he says about the writing of wokeness; that all the woke ideas are so simple, but they have to explain them with word salad in order to confuse and indoctrinate stupid people. We need to teach writing and critical thinking in America so, so badly! #makeamericaliterateagain
Feeling good in the moment has totally replaced doing good in our daily lives as the foremost priority of western civilization. It has precipitated absolute moral derangement and irreversible societal decline, just as it did in Rome.
Perhaps we can build something better from the ashes :) Evolution is full of many dead ends, and lots that somehow found a way ;)
So well put!
Nonsense. Being present and mindful 'in the moment' as a Buddhist concept has been co opted by capitalists as short hand for "here is the solution to the slavery of our system. Have your 15 minutes of meditation.. then get back to being exploited". Feeling good in the moment and doing good in our daily lives are intrinsically connected. One leads to the other. Do good = feel good. The system has twisted it.
@@bargepoled While I agree with your statement about mindfulness and have thought this myself, don't blame it on the capitalists. Capitalism is good, it has made us all better off. But it is globalization and neo liberalism that has made it harsh. People is communist countries have to work also, will far fewer freedoms and opportunities, and greater poverty
@@chchwoman9960 capitalism hasn't made "us all better off. Its made some people better off. The vast majority of people don't benefit from it. By definition capitalism requires capital. The only way that is created is through exploitation.
We cannot get rid of the religious instinct. All you can do is direct it.
Exactly! Everyone is trying to fill that God shaped hole and wokeness promises self-righteousness and superiority as reward. Our human nature will always be drawn to that, but it will lead to unhappiness, bitterness and destruction.
When people stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing, they believe in anything - G K Chesterton
Belonging/tribalism is natural, but it is not the same as a legitimate aspirational framework, though it can become a de facto religion if the tribe wields enough power and the kool-aid is hyper-available
I have come to the same conclusion. My father told many years ago that communists ban religion because you cannot have two religions.
Such an underated comment
People driven by emotion rather than logic are the woke foot soldiers.
Very well said you two. Their language is key. They have simple concepts, vicious intent!
"Wokism fills a hole in people's life shaped like religion" (I don't remember who said it).
People who said this in different words: John McWhorter, Thomas Sowell, Jordan Pederson - I could go on.
The allure of secret knowledge is powerful. Obfuscation, be it office speak or woke speak helps filter out the cultural outsiders.
I used to be all in with it. I do think it was the language tricks that got me, the mottes and baileys and making things sound like the opposite of what they really are. I wanted to be a good person and improve the world, and I was so scared of harming others by saying, doing or thinking the wrong thing. And it gave me an in-group, and I was young, and life was made to seem less confusing. And yes, I felt intellectually intimidated, assuming that if I didn't agree, I must not be understanding it right. I didn't realise how misguided I was for years, and when I finally did, I was horrified.
Good for you for seeing through it and changing.
"In the gap left by religion" says it all.
Douglas Murray is a legend, ironically for an atheist he is gaining a massive following I just hope it is wise enough to not make a cult out of him.
We should, a counter cult lol
Yeah Murray has that Hitchens vibe definitely. Murray seems more laid back and not confrontational in religious issues.
DM is an active Happy Man. The Happy People agenda has destroyed and demoralized people more than anything else in the last 100 years. The Happy People agenda forced open the door for all the subsequent evil to rush through. I couldn't care less what DM says because he is actively promoting the Happy People Agenda and living it (including plastic surgery and botox galore). He is a leader in the destruction of The West.
Step back and consider the Happy People agenda and how it has led to the destruction of The West. Step back and look at most 'conservatives', a huge % of them are Happy People. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing and very very very few of you can see it.
@@eddierushing5416 have a read of his recent, rather humourous piece re: the lady of heaven protests in the spectator.
@@everythingisupsidedown9593 you need a new jacket, one with lots of buckles and extra long sleeves.
"Terrible opportunity cost for even questioning it." brilliant , focused, laser highlighting of the gobbledegook of academic hegemony.
That’s the main way in which they control people, by cancelling their opportunities.
"The grievance industry."
Perfect way to describe it
i never bought into any of this and I'm 67 - in all my years and I've been beaten to a pulp I always knew right from wrong.
Like Thomas Sowel said equality doesn't exist under one roof.
It just boggles my mind. Even with the well thought out explanations of these two brilliant guys, I'm still not satisfied with their answers. I just don't understand how people can be so blind to this ideology. Something should be at least itching in the back of their minds. I just can't fathom the ignorance. Information is readily available at their fingertips. I think it has to be willful blindness.
It's 'rage' against God and against reality.
I think willful blindness is a big part of it. If SJWs/progressives actually thought about what they're doing, they'd have to admit that they're just as evil as the Nazis, Soviets and Maoists. So they just double down and keep telling themselves they're the good guys.
there is a veil over their eyes so they cannot see. Either willfully, or by an evil power. Softening their hearts to God is the cure. That's not to say that you have to have God to see it for what it is but you do need to see the truth and not trade it for the lie.
There is no other end for mankind. Our collective ego and thirst for greed will always lead us to a selfish end.
The novelty of woke sexual politics appeals to many of the young.
It is perfect marketing. Short term reward by confirmation by (large) groups of people.
My oldest sister is a very successful and intelligent woman..... but sadly, she too has been sucked into the woke ideology. I have one other sister and there are four brothers, and our eldest sister is far and away the most successful financially and in terms of social status and economic class. It is such a stark difference that I have sometimes gotten the impression (perhaps falsely) that she is somewhat embarrassed by the stock she was born among. She recently sent out an Email to her siblings which essentially amounted to a virtue signaling, false humility declaration. It discussed stats on income levels across racial demographics and the number of white males in political office, etc... all the typical "proofs" offered for male and white privilege. What she ended up saying was that she formerly thought her success in life was due to her hard work and intelligence, but she had come to realize she was simply born on "third base" by virtue of being "white" and therefore had a very short way in order to "score".
Now one of the things I found so amusing about this was that she sent it to four white males whom she claims to love, and not a single one of them are anywhere near her level of success and wealth... not one of us is even in the ballpark with her. And yet, according to what she said and how she said it, all four of her brothers would have been born halfway to home from third base; we would have been born in a far better position than even her.... and yet not one of us would say we had really been able to "score", at least at the level she has achieved. And she is completely oblivious to how insulting and demeaning she came across to her four brothers. We joke about it with one another, of course: "Hey bro, you still sitting somewhere between home and third base? Yeah, me too. What the hell is wrong with us?"
Brilliant observations !!
I think people buy into it because most institutions and mainstream media communicate it as the norm and as a given
“Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”
Very insightful interview. We need more attention on stuff like this.
Philosophers of the highest degree in our "modern" times.
Yet as "modern" as we may profess ourselves to be, we underlyingly wreak back to our own unfortunate becomings.
A cult in a group is bad enough, but when the State becomes a cult it’s catastrophic because nobody can leave from cradle to grave
Sir Douglas has achieved SAGE LEVEL 1000%.
I believe the term for what they do is complexamatise.
And then there's meta-complexamatisation.
Trump was the false prophet, the lawless one that lead many astray.
James 5:2 All the wealth stored up will be used as evidence against rich people to burn them!!
A camel can NOT go through the eye of a needle.
Anyone that sits on billions of dollars and watches people starve, suffer, and be raped and homeless in the world but chooses to do nothing about it is NOT a Christian.
GET AWAY FROM WOLVES AND FALSE TEACHERS AND GET OUT OF THE FAKE CHURCHES OR YOU ARE GOING TO DIE WITH THEM AND THEIR LIES. JUDGEMENT IS FALLING.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and fireballs are going to hit the fake churches. GET OUT AND STAY OUT. This is not a joke.
If you care anything about celebrity wolves, you will do everything you can to reach them and tell them theres not much time left for them to get on the right side. Even Oprah, she might spend millions on helping people but if you are still sitting on billions, that doesn't even qualify for lukewam and she has already been spit out.
Anyone teaching the monetary tithing LIE or collecting money for ministering in any way is now in THE GREAT TRIBULATION and they will begin to suffer until they repent or it's too late and they die. It's their choice. All worship groups, bookwriters, and every fake minister KNOWS selling anything using the gospel is against the Bible and evil. Do you really comprehend that they are INTENTIONALLY LYING to people?
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-12 is prophetic instruction for the thieving church leaders to repent and bring back the money they were never supposed to take and God will end Covid. Every single minister on television has known this since August of 2020 but they LOVE MONEY so much, they INTENTIONALLY CHOSE TO KILL everyone with Covid instead of bringing it back!
WOW! Are you awake yet?
Being awake is a GOOD thing, don't listen to demon hybrids that tell you otherwise.
And the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships in Mathew 19:12 FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Male or female is determined by gender located in the brain, not sex characteristics.
Language is a part of it, but the morality is super appealing to Leftist brains.
This is fabulous.
You must practice the art of truth.
From an early age, seeking Truth is something that has been lost in our society, instead we're living in a community were the Truth is hated.. anyone that speaks the Truth is despised...
Social movements are the new secular religion. It gives people a sense of belonging.
People do not use critical thinking and are fooled by manipulation of the words used to deceive them. I am reminded of a quote " truth always rests with the minority" by Kierkgaard. Ask a woke person what is meant by the words they are using and they look at you as if you were a fool but they can not define what they are saying except to repeat it. I have had a friend go hysterical when I asked if she had researched the subject we were discussing and tried to calm her down dropping the subject. She got what she wanted but you can not discuss a persons religion (Liberalism not the real liberal thinking but the false narrative they are telling)))
It should be termed "Woke Fundamentalism". Over the last few years previously rational skeptics have adopted the very mindset they rail against.
Such clarity.
Brilliant I love these two ,,,, thankyou to both of them
Excellent interaction between these two rapacious minds. More please.
That's why people are afraid to just talk like they used to because you feel intellectually inferior and afraid to offend its sad for the average joe to be silenced ☹😣🥴
So pleased to be Team Murray -a joy to listen to,
Highly recommending 3/5 in the title. I almost didn’t click this because I thought it was the other short video I saw the other day. Knowing there are 5 has firmly redirected me to your channel
I love how you touched base on the intimidation portion and feeling like someone is trying to force it on you. I ended up shutting down this idiot scheduler for a doctor's office when they started incorporating questions for the patients (including me) by asking how we identify. I told them to take my friggin' info, I don't identify as anything. I'm who I am. Ask for name, date of birth, address and we get to look up appt date options. I filed a complaint with their office and told them unless they cut this sh*t out, I refuse to book future appts. The majority of us live in a real world, but if you want the people who live in a fantasyland to tell you how they identify, then you can plug their fantasy words into the database. They were trying to intimidate me by saying bullsh*t phrases, but I just wasn't having this woke sh*t thrown on me. After I filed my complaint, they blew up my phone, sent me tons of letters apologizing. I never went back, it just gave a bad taste in my mouth
I’m fascinated by the power of Mao’s language in the 60’s and 70’s. Anti rightest, capitalist roader and counter revolutionary. We have taken it to another level.
They are not fooled. Companies are just going with the flow.
The reason why people make things impenetrably complicated is to exclude people from questioning because often they know that they aren’t capable of articulating or defending the point at hand. Baffle with bullsh1t is another way of putting it.
It's a bait and switch. They present a moral choice as an either or. For example: you don't want children to starve do you? No, well then you're with us and we say we must do this other thing too.
In the UK we used to be a people who ‘minded their own business’. A polite and deferential society. Walking up to a stranger and talking to them was not done unless absolutely necessary, usually to ask for directions. Now people feel entitled to walk up to others and berate them. Not for doing anything illegal, but for doing something they don’t like. Where did this entitled attitude come from? And why do people comply or engage with these individuals?
I knew Douglas Murray. I didn't know Peter Boghossian. Boghossian sounds like an interesting thinker. I'm curious to hear more from this guy.
Check him out on joe rogan with his mate who’s name escapes me.
@@scottw3780 James Lindsey and Helen Pluckrose
@Jean Valjean yep that’s the ones 👍
I'm listening to more of this guy. Oh man - I like him. This is good stuff!
If you stop and break down what these academics write, kind of a reverse outline process, you find there is no substance in what they wrote. They depend on "It is easy to juggle with words, to argue in a circle, to make the worse appear the better reason, and to reach false conclusions which wear a plausible aspect.” Which is why they are loath to have their words tied to IRL.
Brilliant analysis by Murray .Religion requires faith with no guarantees , while wokeism is instant gratification , and the CS Lewis quote regarding doing so with the (smug) approval of their own consciences.
Trump was the false prophet, the lawless one that lead many astray.
James 5:2 All the wealth stored up will be used as evidence against rich people to burn them!!
A camel can NOT go through the eye of a needle.
Anyone that sits on billions of dollars and watches people starve, suffer, and be raped and homeless in the world but chooses to do nothing about it is NOT a Christian.
GET AWAY FROM WOLVES AND FALSE TEACHERS AND GET OUT OF THE FAKE CHURCHES OR YOU ARE GOING TO DIE WITH THEM AND THEIR LIES. JUDGEMENT IS FALLING.
I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and fireballs are going to hit the fake churches. GET OUT AND STAY OUT. This is not a joke.
If you care anything about celebrity wolves, you will do everything you can to reach them and tell them theres not much time left for them to get on the right side. Even Oprah, she might spend millions on helping people but if you are still sitting on billions, that doesn't even qualify for lukewam and she has already been spit out.
Anyone teaching the monetary tithing LIE or collecting money for ministering in any way is now in THE GREAT TRIBULATION and they will begin to suffer until they repent or it's too late and they die. It's their choice. All worship groups, bookwriters, and every fake minister KNOWS selling anything using the gospel is against the Bible and evil. Do you really comprehend that they are INTENTIONALLY LYING to people?
Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-12 is prophetic instruction for the thieving church leaders to repent and bring back the money they were never supposed to take and God will end Covid. Every single minister on television has known this since August of 2020 but they LOVE MONEY so much, they INTENTIONALLY CHOSE TO KILL everyone with Covid instead of bringing it back!
WOW! Are you awake yet?
Being awake is a GOOD thing, don't listen to demon hybrids that tell you otherwise.
Pride. They are people who enjoy feeling moral superiority, something all humans have to fight against in themselves.
The left and right on the extremes are one in the same.
It's about power...when a conversation becomes a competition you're talking to the wrong person.... and God forbid you use a word they don't like.
Except, they are weak.
@@elizabethmillar1829 absolutely... like children demanding their way.
As entertaining as it is watching them come unglued... I think we're paying way more attention to them than they deserve. They deserve none. Let them cry.
It’s a utopian vision that pits one against another.
We are but sheep- we will follow anything that moves. Unthinkingly.
Only those in on it are fooled. Many people and companies are intimidated by it.
Yes, I've noticed it is the Baptist churches who relay this most prominently. And the intellectual gaslighting uses the rhetoric , or more properly, the speech cadences and verbal tics, of the French deconstructionists of the 1980s.
good stuff!
In understanding what is OPEN SOCIETY(org) and its role and how it influences the Woke society, you have quickly propelled yourself closer to the answer of why is there a deliberate push for such nonsensicality
Many good points. Murray said, "In the absence of religion..." That's it, exactly. The woke religion not only fills the void where God should be, but Christians are as Paul says, slaves of Christ. We don't receive our reward until we go to Heaven. And. it's not from anything we've done. It's because Jesus paid it all and did it all. Christ is the only one who is ever in the position of God, to receive praise, and to be raised up. But the woke priests and prophets say' "Look who I am and what I've done. I'm something special." Wokism is nothing without virtue signalling, putting others down and raising oneself up.
The impenetrable language is not necessarily deliberate I don't think. Rather it's that people with very high verbal IQ's can mistake their ability to express ideas in complex language for the ability to come up with profound and complex new ideas.
I can hear the Portland crows in background.
It's not the loss of religion, it's the loss of the rights of fathers that's destroying everything... essentially the entire destruction of the man's ordained position to lead his family.
People (young, naive people) want to appear “hip” and “enlightened.” Wokeness, to these people, gives that appearance of “specialness.” Every generation has at least one bit off absurdity that it mistakenly clings to until the real world introduces itself.
Leftists always target the young, who don’t know anything about how the world works.
They're not. They're intimidated by the loud, obnoxious types who peddle it, and fear for their jobs and personal safety if they openly criticise it.
The antidote to some of that is to be inquisitive. No shame in not knowing everything so, in some sense, there's no reason to feel intellectually intimidated. If there's something I'm not sure about, I ask. It quickly sorts out who understands what they're talking about and, in this instance, who is "ideologically possessed", a very apt term I heard recently. Doesn't necessarily have to do with politics, could be for anything
There is a tendency among many people, when reading the more obtuse language of Derrida, Marcuse and the like (and more recent feminist “scholars”) to think “wow, this must be really clever stuff, because I don’t understand it at all”. No- the reason you don’t understand it is because it is fucking nonsense. Even the people writing it don’t understand it.
6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that.
Douglas is the GOAT
It’s not difficult to answer that question. The youth have for years now been spoon fed woke ideology in schools and universities across the West. Whilst are education systems are dominated by extremist things will only get worse.
I agree the in-group/out-group dynamic is one of the big things in it, "We're the 'good' group, and anyone who doesn't share our ideology is the 'bad' group. So, be in with the 'good' group." Also, the vision of achieving social justice on Earth sounds like a good thing, in the absence of critical examination. There is certainly the "cause of good against evil" in it that provides a sense of meaning and identity in one's life. Some older religions have had that same view of themselves.
What's also a feature of it is a social hierarchy, that if you're someone who can claim historical oppression by consensus then you get more perks than someone who can't. That sounds good to a lot of people who aren't white. It has made me wonder why white people are going along with it, though, because they know this scheme sets them up to be at the bottom of the heap. They have no claim to being oppressed in this ideology. In fact, they are the oppressor, which is to be deferential in all things to the oppressed. It seems to be the result of demoralization among them, that they are either so ashamed of themselves for "what our ancestors have done" that being called a racist is the kiss of social death, or they're wealthy and can just mouth the right words that will get them off the hook so they don't lose their career and social status. Though, I've heard about wealthy white people who really believe in this stuff, and won't countenance anyone in their ranks who doesn't. I have trouble understanding what they get out of it, except perhaps a sense of revenge against, or creating a separate identity, from their racist parents (whether that's real or not).
Murray's point that this is being used as a substitute for what was once the dominant cultural religion is a good one. People are trying to fill a "god" hole with something that I dare say doesn't do the job, which to my mind should be causing atheists that are of an evangelical persuasion for their own cause to question whether that's a good idea, because look what's sprung up in place of the faith they've been convincing people to throw away. It's just a new faith that makes no explicit claim about the existence of a new god. Nevertheless, it has an implicit god, equity, and an implicit devil, "whiteness," and it most certainly has ideas about sin, and condemnation. What's missing from it, if it ever sought to be a healthy faith, are principles of redemption and forgiveness.
It has taken the archetype of the social activist and made it into a role of warrior priest, or evangelist, not for redemption, but damnation.
While Douglas Murray is right that the woke ideology might be an answer to the main religios question of "What should we do with our life here?", it's strange that he (and most of us) has so outdated notion of religion as of something describing an afterlife. People always had religion to guide them, religion is about the connection of a person to the infinite world around him. As L. Tolstoy wrote in the essay named "Religion and morality":
"A man without religion, that is, without any relation to the world, is just as impossible as a man without a heart. He may not know that he has a religion, how can a man not know that he has a heart; but just as without religion, so without a heart, a person cannot exist."
and more background:
"...every person, waking up to a rational consciousness, cannot fail to notice that everything around him lives, renewing, not being destroyed and steadily obeying one definite, eternal law, and that he alone, recognizing himself as a being separate from the whole world, is sentenced to death , to disappearance in boundless space and infinite time and to a painful consciousness of responsibility in his actions, i.e., the consciousness that, having acted badly, he could have done better. And, having understood this, every reasonable person cannot but think and ask himself: why is his instantaneous, indefinite and fluctuating existence among this eternal, firmly defined and infinite world? Entering into true human life, a person cannot avoid this question.
This question always confronts every person, and every person always answers it in one way or another. The answer to this question is what constitutes the essence of any religion. The essence of any religion consists only in the answer to the question: why do I live and what is my attitude towards the infinite world around me?
All the metaphysics of religion, all the teachings about deities, about the origin of the world, all external worship of God, which are usually taken for religion, are only signs that accompany religion, different in geographical, ethnographic and historical conditions. There is not a single religion, from the most exalted to the most crude, which would not have at its core this establishment of man's relation to the world around him or its root cause. There is not one of the crudest religious rites, as well as the most refined cult, which would not have the same basis..."
Another language twist: justice is about Law (Jus in latin). Something just is something following the law. So injustice means something against the law. If you want to fight against social injustice go to a tribunal. Actually by social injustice, they mean social inequality. But using the word ‘injustice’ it sounds more moral.
The problem with social (gender, ecology…) is that the only place we’re all equal is the cemetery. Death makes us equal. Life is about inequalities.
Mr Murray is a gay atheist and conservatives embrace him with open arms. The wokies would never stand for someone who is even slightly different. BRAVO Mr Murray.
WTF are you talking about? There are no liberal gay atheists? You need to put the Koolaid down.
Two modern day heroes
Why can't it just be that some people are stupid and easily deceived. It's clearly the case but nobody wants to just say it so we dance around pretending it's very complex and nefarious when it's plain and simple.
Why does Justice need a modifier?
I'm so sick of wokeness. The sad, and scary, thing is that the woke are slowly outnumbering us-non-woke aka common-sense beings. the virus of wokeness is the modern times plague and will be the end of us.
Hoodwinked by words indeed. The words are spells and they yell them at the top of their lungs deepening the curse they’re under.
Precisely.
Unnecessary linguistic complexity is /always/ a sign of dishonesty
Example: legalese.
Yikes! The crows in the background. In a film that's an omen of something bad about to happen...
The profane don't think beyond the surface level, and they check themselves against each other's opinions rather than thinking for themselves. Even though all the elements and the story being told is exactly the same every time to the point of being BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, yet because nobody else who is popular ever mentions it they don't see it. All they see is "ORANGE MAN BAD".
they are scared of being cancelled
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Absolutly correct statements by both gentlemen... however it takes them too long to come to these realizations.
6 min is too long?
@@growingweedisfordummies4190 6 years of turmoil in the West
They come close, but it's actually a linguistic heuristic, a logical shortcut based on the same instinctual reactionism that serves as the basic fuel for any ACTUAL bigotry, lubricated by the same typical intellectual laziness and entitlement.
The void of meaningless left by the lack of religion is one answer definitely.
Another is self-worth. In cultures that have taught us to hate ourselves (just look at the billion dollar industries of diet, beauty, etc) we are desperate in part to feel good, but also to not feel bad. They are different.
To not ‘feel bad’ we do a variety of things. A popular one is to escape (drugs, rpgs, shopping).
Another is to not be/feel inferior, by making oneself superior. Morality has always been a fabulous weapon which is in part the draw of religion by some!
We create an all-encompassing narrative that positions us above others (an ideology based on a hierarchy of right-wrong).
Another explanation is good ol’ fashioned desire for power.
And mass psychosis.
Anyone notice the pomposity,...it is begging to be taken down a peg, and for so many that is the motivation. And a justified one at that.
Woke is a variation of Christian teaching so we are primed for it.
Woke is delusion
Things are only unfair if you believe it’s possible to have one thing and not have it’s opposite.
I think the Woke ideology is worse than Baptist dogma. At least, hardcore Baptists still believe in forgiveness and redemption whereas the Woke clergy don't.
What's wrong with Baptist dogma?
The woke ideology is socialism applied to identity.
@@sylviam6535 Well said!
So many factors
Using big words or complex words bumps up grading in high school papers. It's like flares in the movie Office Space 🤣
Most people are complicit therefore they are evil.