For traditional shooters, should you choose wooden or carbon arrows? For practice or for competition? === Follow me on Facebook: / nusensei Twitter: / nu_sensei
I have recently taken up traditional archery, and started with some wooden arrows. My results were terrible and I found I didn't enjoy shooting. Then I bought some cheap trad carbons (along with a new string) and my results improved massively and I found it far more enjoyable. Personally I would recommend carbon over wood for any beginner
One supplement to the rules argument - in the UK most target archery clubs outright ban carbon arrows. This is because when (if) a carbon arrow breaks it splinters into razor sharp fragments and most UK target clubs do not have dedicated shooting grounds - they use sports fields belonging to schools, sports centres etc. So leaving shards of carbon (which cannot be detected by a metal detector) in a field where tomorrow a child might be playing is frowned upon. Note that field archery clubs will tend to be in dedicated areas so do not ban carbon except for the rule sets mentioned in the video. So check with the club/ground before buying.
Love your shows you do, very helpful. I live in Idaho USA and hunt bull elk with my recurve bow. I like to use wooden arrows and ive found them very effective. I just like to be different. Thanks again for sharing:)
I have to add another point. Some manufacturers of bow, especially horse bow or manchu bows, give you minimum or recommended arrow weight. On manchu bows that can easy be 15 or more gpp. So on a 60# Manchurian bow you need a long 900 grain arrow. That is hard to achieve with carbon arrows so you must use bamboo or a dense wood.
This is easily solved with a screw-in brass point insert with segmented pieces. On a 6.2mm (0.244") ID carbon shaft, just one inch of brass adds 100 grains. And I've seen bullet points up to 350 grains. There is no reason you can't use carbon arrows, regardless of the type of bow/draw weight, unless you are explicitly bound to use wood arrows by the rules of your organization/club.
Someone commented about bamboo arrows so I'll also say a couple of things about them. The arrows I'm going to comment on are Korean made and sell for 30 000 won each. They are expensive and it shows in the quality. As bamboo arrows are the stems of a grass, what you might call grain is uniform. All fibres run parallel in the length between nodes. There is no cutting across a grain line as can happen in cutting shaft blanks with wood. Straightening basically is applying pressure to the shafts in the area where the bending/warping is. The greatest amount of bending/warping is at the nodes. Applying heat to the bent area makes straightening easier. Consistency for a batch of arrows is - well, consistent. The arrows in my last order of 35 weighed about 326 grains with a two grain difference. My weigh scale shows grains is two-grain increments so the arrows could very well have had a less-than-two-grain difference. The FOC for those arrows had a variance of five millimetres. The fletcher hadn't added any weight to them to get the same 326 grains as that would have moved the FOC significantly. When it comes to breaking, they tend to do so at the nodes as the nodes are ground/sanded flat as the walls of the shaft making that the weakest point on the shaft. Another place where I've seen arrows break is at the point where the shaft and point meet. When is comes to skewered shafts, the cracks run along the shafts and can be repaired with Loctite 401 or some other brand of 401. A field or target point skewering a shaft can leave a hole in that shaft which makes repair problematic. I have filled in such a hole with a mixture of bamboo "sawdust" and 401, but that spot is still weaker than the rest of the shaft and you run the risk that it will shatter while loosing that arrow. Not something you want to happen near your hand or face.
Not really. Organic means deriving from or related to living matter. Even organic chemistry relates to organic compounds, which are carbon-based COMPOUNDS covalently bonded (largely hydrocarbons). Carbon fibre consists of carbon atoms bonded in a crystalline lattice, which is well outside organic chemistry. So that's a no on all fronts.
Everything you mentioned in this video is totally true. At the same time, it's been years now that I make my own wooden arrows (some that I bought at Rose City archery and others that I crafted myself with the proper jig) and I have developed a certain talent for their making . All this because I like to crest and paint my arrows, because I find it meditative and relaxing. But this is just a personal preference and doesn't take away all the truths you mentioned in this video. :-)
100% same for me. Haven't started yet, but have been getting all the tools for it. I'm very excited to get into this. Shooting arrows is very calming for me
To make a decent wooden arrow, the shaft blank has to follow the grain of the wood. A manufacturer of those 6.50$ arrows doesn't take into account that the grain of a piece of wood rarely runs straight.
I felt burned out on my olympic freestyle recurve, so I went and bought a longbow with some "cheap" (6.5 USD a piece) wooden arrows from my usual archery store. The arrows were horribly bent and would go every which way no matter how I adjusted my technique. It made me question my form and made me make stupid mistakes trying to correct myself. I broke 2 arrows on the first day with a fairly low poundage bow, and had an overall miserable time. My advice to anyone starting out: Take advantage of carbon shafts as a durable learning tool. You can progress to wooden arrows if you need them for some reason, but don't make my mistake.
When I am shooting in the Traditional recurve division,(USAA) I shoot aluminum, they are not as fragile, don't break as easily and if they get a slight bend in them can be straightened to live another day. Personal preference.
Weight is also a factor. when you get to much higher weight bows particularly historical bows you need a weight higher then is possible in commercial carbon shafts
I wrapped my wooden arrow shafts using black electrical tape. It last longer than not wrapping it. And yes, they bend a lot even after several times straightening them. So each wooden arrow is different in deviation every time you shoot. Still, it's about instinctive archery and how you "feel" each time you draw.
Maybe it's just me ... but I love how people make video's and just kind of shrug off breaking a few arrows in a session. LOL! I don't have money to burn like that ... I kind of pride myself on using cheap fiberglass arrows and only breaking about 2 of them in a week or two of shooting about 100 arrows a day if it's not raining out! but hey, to each their own, and I love these videos!
I'm coming into archery from slings, and that's just downright shocking. With slings, manufactured ammo costs somewhere in the cents, only takes a couple minutes to form per shot (if you're going for rather clinical consistency in each shot vs natural stones), and will last until you lose it somehow/it hits a rock and shatters.
I have bought the cheapest carbon arrows i could find, and i broke about two arrows, one because i shoot it straight into concrete and the tip exploded, and the other one i hit a pole an iron pole and it broke in half, other than that, if you're shooting them normaly in a target, i see them to last forever. I experimented alot, with thes arrows sooo many fletching styles, i think i refletch those arows soo many times and seem to just last. And he is right about what he is saying. In the long therm the wood arrows are more expencive. The only advantage of wood arrows is that some people, like me wich have the tools can fabricate them. But to have a consistent weight and spine is very difficult to achive, carbon arrows are simply better. Fiber glass is too heavy and too soft, i shot once that kind of arrow and it just feels weird. The arrows are too heavy and soft. if you don't shoot in hard stuff and you don't abuse them, a set of cheap carbon arrows can last you forever. And if you think about it, to practice is the cheapest arrows you can find. Is simply just sad to work so much on a wooden arrow, and see it break it's tip in the target.
Let’s not forget aluminum. Good aluminums can be had for half the cost of carbon, and they’re just as accurate. The main reason target archers shoot carbon is the lower weight and reduced drag, neither of which matter at 20 yards. I shoot wood, carbon, and aluminum, with different arrows for different styles. My wood arrows will never be as straight or precisely matched as the aluminums and carbons, but with a spine gauge and a scale they’re plenty accurate for any and all hunting, and most field use.
I use feather Fletcher aluminium arrows with my traditional bows. I shoot off the shelf and off the knuckle. They are far better than wooden arrows and much more durable. Even so , in longbow competitions here, only aluminium or wood arrows are allowed so carbons are not suitable for competition archers. The big advantage of aluminium arrows are that they are easily found when using a metal detector when they get lost.
I use 12/32 wood arrows on my 42 lbs bow, ~6 months zero broken arrows. Before that we used 11/32 woods arrows for same period of time and half of arrows are already broken.
3/8 woden arrows are great - I use them from 25 to 90 lbs bows... just learn to work around spine to avoid excessive "wobling" upon hitting the target. Also - I found them much more durable than fiberglass and carbon fiber.
I shoot bamboo arrows with 50 lbs draw weigh hunting bow. I`m kinda crazy about hitting to different hardness targets sometimes. And only one way how arrows were broken, it is is "robin hood" or when you cut shaft of arrow with another sharp arrowhead ))) By the way, when it have been split not very serious super glue and sand paper help to fix it very easy. Also if shaft a little bit thinner or thicker it is not big problem, because for instinctive archery your own feeling of your bow and arrows always will tell you how to hit target.
I've only ever shot with aluminum and fiberglass cheapies but bought a dozen wood ones for my sons. They didn't last very long and probably wouldn't buy them again. They are now using fiberglass arrows and seem to be enjoying them. At up to $2 per arrow the price is right.
A couple hours ago today, I just bought about 36" Bamboo shafts, but I'm familiar with carbon and ash wood but never bamboo. How does bamboo compare to carbon, in your experience?
@@cherno2232 They are heavier, the right fit for my bow. Stiffer as well. Since I shoot thumb, stiffer arrows felt better for me. Bamboo is like natural carbon, very tough. 36"? Do you shoot a manchu bow? Have you had the chance to shoot these bamboo arrows? How do they feel to you?
@@gizmonomono well, I shoot a 32" laminated takedown recurve but I think the spine is way heavy. I can group with it but the arrows always trend to always go about 15" left on 20 yards. But I can adjust
Wood for my Conventional/Traditional bows. Carbon Fiber or Carbon Fiber/Fiberglass composite, or aluminum for my Compound Bows & Compound Crossbow. Feather fletching on the wood arrows, synthetic fletching on everything else.
The most 3d matches in the netherlands its not allowed to use carbon. Carbon arrow doesnt desolve ever.. The most importend, Some bows you can't schoot carbon. Even the heavy carbon arrows are to light (gpi).
I always ask for my Wooden arrows to be weight matched when ordering. It does cost more but they end up being far more consistent, usually within 3 to 5 grains of each other.
I'm reading all the comments and disagreeing a lot. Cheap wooden shafts cannot compare to premium wood. A well made wood arrow from straight grain has the potential to shoot just as well as carbon. Unless you are shooting 3" groups at 30 yards you will never notice a difference. This assumes the arrow has the perfect spine for your bow. One issue shooters run into is they compare high FOC carbon arrows with low FOC wood and neither arrow is the correct spine or the shooter has bad form. High FOC will cover up mistakes and incorrect spine. FOC means Forward of Center, i.e. a heavy point and light arrow.
As a beginner I have only a few good carbon arrows and recently purchased a dozen of so called "mixed carbon" arrows frow Aliexpress. With the same characteristics... ...they are completely different! Quality is good, tips are gorgeous, but they fling like CRAZY -_- So, if you're looking for carbon on tight budget, better skip "mixed carbon", at least from China.
If you're going for wooden arrows, go for bamboo. They are much more flexible and durable. I had one split lengthwise, so I tried to snap it in two so I can throw it in the trash, but only when I bent it 90 degrees did it snap. Bamboo is amazing. But nothing beets carbon in consistency and customisation.
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When I’m training I’m using carbon shafts. Absolutely most of the time. It’s much easier to find faults in your form with a carbon shaft. With wood, it can be the arrow that fails. If it’s carbon, you know it’s you. Then on competition I use wood since it’s the rules (longbow). I seldom use aluminum since I just don’t like it. Therefore I try to find carbon and wooden shafts that match in weight so when I switch arrows for a competition, the arrows behaves in the same way. Well, almost that is. Close enough I think.
Odd that you don't like aluminium shafts. They're the most accurate shafts for recurve archery. I don't use them because I shoot a compound, so I use composite shafts.
I began with wooden, crafted by me a lot of years ago, they were horrible but satisfied for me to made (and destroy) now I am mature, I bougth a simple bow, fiberglass carbon arrows, riser is plastic. The cabin arrows seem indestructible, almost perfect, I was young and idiot.
Biggest downside of wooden arrows becomes very evident, once the arrow shatters on launch and one is picking splinters off the bow arm with pliers and tweezers. That does happen. Happened to me. Biggest upside of wooden arrows, is once that shattering incident happens, one will not use nor buy another wooden arrow ever again.
Carbon can do the same thing when damaged. There's cases of pieces of carbon arrow being driven through the archer's hand. Carbon splinters also never soften or decompose meaning they're an ongoing hazard for anyone else that may use the area in the future.
I chose wooden arrows and I can say that for a beginner they are definitely not a great choice. At least not the cheap ones that is. I had 10 of them and in a week I have destroyed most of them. Some of them just snapped in my hand as I have been pulling them out of the target, others have cracked on impact. Also I have assembled them myself with zero knowledge on how to actually do that or ever seeing an actual arrow in real life (How hard can it be? ... Actually pretty hard :D) Apart from the arrows themselves being destroyed, It's 2°C on average here and my hunter rests are being torn to shreds by these after only a few shots. That because the shafts are rough, thick and untreated as well as damn heavy and plastic is now brittle. So... lessons have been learned. For a second fail take on my beginner form I have gone for rather cheap Core fiberglass arrows. Not only I think they'll be better suited for my low poundage (24lb) but I also believe they'll be somewhat more flexible. I haven't gone for aluminium or carbon because being a beginner I still screw up a lot and occasionally hit all sorts of things. Not to mention there is several arrow heads permanently embedded in my target now. Therefore I presume there will be more destruction on the way as I'm working on my form.
Carbon shafts are just better in every possible way... as I sit with a pile of about 70 homemade bamboo arrows of different lengths and fletching styles sitting in various quivers in my house. That being said, I like different archery traditions, but can't afford to buy new arrow sets for each type of archery I build a bow for... so homemade bamboo it is.
It makes sense to shoot a wooden arrow with a horn composite bow or with a yew longbow. - It does not make any sense to shoot wooden arrows with traditional bows made from modern materials like fiberglass, wooden laminated, biocomposite, monolith technology, resin etc. Rules should be changed!
ive just bought a recurve bow and carbon arrows, i wanted to know can i ffit any screw in arrow to my shafts or are they different size threads,? if anyone could tell me ide appretiate it thanks👍🏹
Of course this is very true... However, i am shooting wooden arrows, cause i am going to midage festivals with my bows and the rest of my stuff. And the guys in the midage have no understanding for any modern material. ;) black magic, burn him... you know what i mean. So i will use my wooden arrows just to train with them, so i dont suck when i am going to the middelage bow tournament. ;)
I've actually already done a more comprehensive video comparing arrow materials long ago: th-cam.com/video/HLMte8lAYmE/w-d-xo.html. This video is more specifically looking at getting wooden or carbon arrows for traditional shooting. Aluminium tends to be uncommon in trad shooting as it developed for modern target shooting. Trad shooters tend to go for either the wooden purist choice, or the modern carbon shaft.
@@NUSensei I've been told not to use carbon arrows for shooting off the hand (trad style). The (shop keeper's) argument is that a damaged carbon arrow could leave carbon splinters in your bow hand. Is this a reasonable argument? or more to do with someone wanting to sell me wooden arrows to replace my carbons?
Hi Nu Sensei, what about fiber glass arrows? BTW, I am very very very new and just bought a cheap set for fun. Are carbon arrows that much significant difference?
@@NUSensei are they dangerous? BTW, I do not intend to go for competition. Just shooting arrows for fun at 10-30m. I follow your channel to understand the techniques of shooting a bow & arrow.
Ben 500 tercih ederdim ama yayında merkezi kesik yoksa 700 daha ideal. Geleneksel recurve kullanıyorsaniz eğer 700 tam olması gerekendir. Ben şahsen biraz daha sert ok kullanmaktan keyif alıyorum. Yalnız okun idealden sert olması fazla esnek olmasından daha iyidir, daha güvenlidir. Yalnız unutmadan okun uzunluğu da bu hesabın bı parçasıdır. İyi günler.
My wife loves my wooden arrows. Broken ones (tip) are used for flower sticks in our garden :-)
A very expensive flower stick.
Wise man
I have recently taken up traditional archery, and started with some wooden arrows. My results were terrible and I found I didn't enjoy shooting. Then I bought some cheap trad carbons (along with a new string) and my results improved massively and I found it far more enjoyable. Personally I would recommend carbon over wood for any beginner
One supplement to the rules argument - in the UK most target archery clubs outright ban carbon arrows. This is because when (if) a carbon arrow breaks it splinters into razor sharp fragments and most UK target clubs do not have dedicated shooting grounds - they use sports fields belonging to schools, sports centres etc. So leaving shards of carbon (which cannot be detected by a metal detector) in a field where tomorrow a child might be playing is frowned upon. Note that field archery clubs will tend to be in dedicated areas so do not ban carbon except for the rule sets mentioned in the video. So check with the club/ground before buying.
I'm from the UK and I shoot at my university club and they have a ban on carbon arrows, which really limits my options as to which arrows I can get
@@Kebbit Are you allowed FMJ - type arrows? These have an aluminium outer tubing.
My local club use a rugby pitch, and as such ban carbon shafts. Aluminium only.
Love your shows you do, very helpful. I live in Idaho USA and hunt bull elk with my recurve bow. I like to use wooden arrows and ive found them very effective. I just like to be different. Thanks again for sharing:)
if they work for you, then they work for you, right?
they gotta feel right, and if they do, they do.
Bamboo.
Search your feelings...
I have to add another point. Some manufacturers of bow, especially horse bow or manchu bows, give you minimum or recommended arrow weight. On manchu bows that can easy be 15 or more gpp. So on a 60# Manchurian bow you need a long 900 grain arrow. That is hard to achieve with carbon arrows so you must use bamboo or a dense wood.
Or carbon-aluminium composite, which would probably be the preferred substance here.
This is easily solved with a screw-in brass point insert with segmented pieces. On a 6.2mm (0.244") ID carbon shaft, just one inch of brass adds 100 grains. And I've seen bullet points up to 350 grains. There is no reason you can't use carbon arrows, regardless of the type of bow/draw weight, unless you are explicitly bound to use wood arrows by the rules of your organization/club.
@@johnbarron4265 if you add a too heavy tip, you weaken the dynamic spine of the shaft
@@Ragnafyr True. You can always use a brass insert on the nock end as well, and shift the weight segments around until your arrow is perfectly spined.
Someone commented about bamboo arrows so I'll also say a couple of things about them. The arrows I'm going to comment on are Korean made and sell for 30 000 won each. They are expensive and it shows in the quality.
As bamboo arrows are the stems of a grass, what you might call grain is uniform. All fibres run parallel in the length between nodes. There is no cutting across a grain line as can happen in cutting shaft blanks with wood.
Straightening basically is applying pressure to the shafts in the area where the bending/warping is. The greatest amount of bending/warping is at the nodes. Applying heat to the bent area makes straightening easier.
Consistency for a batch of arrows is - well, consistent. The arrows in my last order of 35 weighed about 326 grains with a two grain difference. My weigh scale shows grains is two-grain increments so the arrows could very well have had a less-than-two-grain difference. The FOC for those arrows had a variance of five millimetres. The fletcher hadn't added any weight to them to get the same 326 grains as that would have moved the FOC significantly.
When it comes to breaking, they tend to do so at the nodes as the nodes are ground/sanded flat as the walls of the shaft making that the weakest point on the shaft. Another place where I've seen arrows break is at the point where the shaft and point meet.
When is comes to skewered shafts, the cracks run along the shafts and can be repaired with Loctite 401 or some other brand of 401. A field or target point skewering a shaft can leave a hole in that shaft which makes repair problematic. I have filled in such a hole with a mixture of bamboo "sawdust" and 401, but that spot is still weaker than the rest of the shaft and you run the risk that it will shatter while loosing that arrow. Not something you want to happen near your hand or face.
I find it odd you say the wooden arrows are more organic than the carbon ones.
Organic means carbon based, can't get more carbon based than carbon!
Not really. Organic means deriving from or related to living matter. Even organic chemistry relates to organic compounds, which are carbon-based COMPOUNDS covalently bonded (largely hydrocarbons). Carbon fibre consists of carbon atoms bonded in a crystalline lattice, which is well outside organic chemistry. So that's a no on all fronts.
Pure carbon isn’t organic
well carbon arrows aren't made from organic carbon star dust haha!
Shall we talk about the resins used to bind carbon......
Everything you mentioned in this video is totally true.
At the same time, it's been years now that I make my own wooden arrows (some that I bought at Rose City archery and others that I crafted myself with the proper jig) and I have developed a certain talent for their making .
All this because I like to crest and paint my arrows, because I find it meditative and relaxing. But this is just a personal preference and doesn't take away all the truths you mentioned in this video. :-)
100% same for me. Haven't started yet, but have been getting all the tools for it. I'm very excited to get into this. Shooting arrows is very calming for me
@@korysmith1216 Indeed, particularly in the forest. :-)
Nice, very informative! Thank you.
To make a decent wooden arrow, the shaft blank has to follow the grain of the wood. A manufacturer of those 6.50$ arrows doesn't take into account that the grain of a piece of wood rarely runs straight.
Thank you sensei
I felt burned out on my olympic freestyle recurve, so I went and bought a longbow with some "cheap" (6.5 USD a piece) wooden arrows from my usual archery store. The arrows were horribly bent and would go every which way no matter how I adjusted my technique. It made me question my form and made me make stupid mistakes trying to correct myself. I broke 2 arrows on the first day with a fairly low poundage bow, and had an overall miserable time.
My advice to anyone starting out: Take advantage of carbon shafts as a durable learning tool. You can progress to wooden arrows if you need them for some reason, but don't make my mistake.
It's worth noting that many people get wood for the "cool" factor, only to see the trad archers on the line shooting carbon.
skill issue
When I am shooting in the Traditional recurve division,(USAA) I shoot aluminum, they are not as fragile, don't break as easily and if they get a slight bend in them can be straightened to live another day. Personal preference.
Weight is also a factor. when you get to much higher weight bows particularly historical bows you need a weight higher then is possible in commercial carbon shafts
I wrapped my wooden arrow shafts using black electrical tape. It last longer than not wrapping it. And yes, they bend a lot even after several times straightening them. So each wooden arrow is different in deviation every time you shoot. Still, it's about instinctive archery and how you "feel" each time you draw.
Maybe it's just me ... but I love how people make video's and just kind of shrug off breaking a few arrows in a session. LOL! I don't have money to burn like that ... I kind of pride myself on using cheap fiberglass arrows and only breaking about 2 of them in a week or two of shooting about 100 arrows a day if it's not raining out! but hey, to each their own, and I love these videos!
I'm coming into archery from slings, and that's just downright shocking.
With slings, manufactured ammo costs somewhere in the cents, only takes a couple minutes to form per shot (if you're going for rather clinical consistency in each shot vs natural stones), and will last until you lose it somehow/it hits a rock and shatters.
I have bought the cheapest carbon arrows i could find, and i broke about two arrows, one because i shoot it straight into concrete and the tip exploded, and the other one i hit a pole an iron pole and it broke in half, other than that, if you're shooting them normaly in a target, i see them to last forever. I experimented alot, with thes arrows sooo many fletching styles, i think i refletch those arows soo many times and seem to just last. And he is right about what he is saying. In the long therm the wood arrows are more expencive. The only advantage of wood arrows is that some people, like me wich have the tools can fabricate them. But to have a consistent weight and spine is very difficult to achive, carbon arrows are simply better. Fiber glass is too heavy and too soft, i shot once that kind of arrow and it just feels weird. The arrows are too heavy and soft. if you don't shoot in hard stuff and you don't abuse them, a set of cheap carbon arrows can last you forever. And if you think about it, to practice is the cheapest arrows you can find. Is simply just sad to work so much on a wooden arrow, and see it break it's tip in the target.
Let’s not forget aluminum. Good aluminums can be had for half the cost of carbon, and they’re just as accurate. The main reason target archers shoot carbon is the lower weight and reduced drag, neither of which matter at 20 yards. I shoot wood, carbon, and aluminum, with different arrows for different styles. My wood arrows will never be as straight or precisely matched as the aluminums and carbons, but with a spine gauge and a scale they’re plenty accurate for any and all hunting, and most field use.
There is not way to use aluminium on traditional bow, only on "modern" traditional's with hole in center of bow to eliminate archer's paradox
I use feather Fletcher aluminium arrows with my traditional bows. I shoot off the shelf and off the knuckle. They are far better than wooden arrows and much more durable. Even so , in longbow competitions here, only aluminium or wood arrows are allowed so carbons are not suitable for competition archers. The big advantage of aluminium arrows are that they are easily found when using a metal detector when they get lost.
I use 12/32 wood arrows on my 42 lbs bow, ~6 months zero broken arrows. Before that we used 11/32 woods arrows for same period of time and half of arrows are already broken.
3/8 woden arrows are great - I use them from 25 to 90 lbs bows... just learn to work around spine to avoid excessive "wobling" upon hitting the target.
Also - I found them much more durable than fiberglass and carbon fiber.
I shoot bamboo arrows with 50 lbs draw weigh hunting bow. I`m kinda crazy about hitting to different hardness targets sometimes.
And only one way how arrows were broken, it is is "robin hood" or when you cut shaft of arrow with another sharp arrowhead ))) By the way, when it have been split not very serious super glue and sand paper help to fix it very easy.
Also if shaft a little bit thinner or thicker it is not big problem, because for instinctive archery your own feeling of your bow and arrows always will tell you how to hit target.
I've only ever shot with aluminum and fiberglass cheapies but bought a dozen wood ones for my sons. They didn't last very long and probably wouldn't buy them again. They are now using fiberglass arrows and seem to be enjoying them. At up to $2 per arrow the price is right.
In my experience heavy carbon arrows at 33" are hard to find. I can't use light arrows on my bow. Bamboo has proven itself to be best for me.
A couple hours ago today, I just bought about 36" Bamboo shafts, but I'm familiar with carbon and ash wood but never bamboo. How does bamboo compare to carbon, in your experience?
@@cherno2232 They are heavier, the right fit for my bow. Stiffer as well. Since I shoot thumb, stiffer arrows felt better for me. Bamboo is like natural carbon, very tough.
36"? Do you shoot a manchu bow? Have you had the chance to shoot these bamboo arrows? How do they feel to you?
@@gizmonomono well, I shoot a 32" laminated takedown recurve but I think the spine is way heavy. I can group with it but the arrows always trend to always go about 15" left on 20 yards. But I can adjust
Carbon is also straighter than wood any day !
Got any OAK ARROWS ?
Wood for my Conventional/Traditional bows. Carbon Fiber or Carbon Fiber/Fiberglass composite, or aluminum for my Compound Bows & Compound Crossbow.
Feather fletching on the wood arrows, synthetic fletching on everything else.
The most 3d matches in the netherlands its not allowed to use carbon. Carbon arrow doesnt desolve ever.. The most importend, Some bows you can't schoot carbon. Even the heavy carbon arrows are to light (gpi).
What about aluminum arrows?
Aluminum ;).
Very informative, thanks
I always ask for my Wooden arrows to be weight matched when ordering. It does cost more but they end up being far more consistent, usually within 3 to 5 grains of each other.
i dig my bamboo shafts , too expensive though, amazon has wood arrows 50 bucks or so
I'm reading all the comments and disagreeing a lot. Cheap wooden shafts cannot compare to premium wood. A well made wood arrow from straight grain has the potential to shoot just as well as carbon. Unless you are shooting 3" groups at 30 yards you will never notice a difference. This assumes the arrow has the perfect spine for your bow. One issue shooters run into is they compare high FOC carbon arrows with low FOC wood and neither arrow is the correct spine or the shooter has bad form. High FOC will cover up mistakes and incorrect spine. FOC means Forward of Center, i.e. a heavy point and light arrow.
As a beginner I have only a few good carbon arrows and recently purchased a dozen of so called "mixed carbon" arrows frow Aliexpress. With the same characteristics...
...they are completely different! Quality is good, tips are gorgeous, but they fling like CRAZY -_- So, if you're looking for carbon on tight budget, better skip "mixed carbon", at least from China.
If you're going for wooden arrows, go for bamboo. They are much more flexible and durable. I had one split lengthwise, so I tried to snap it in two so I can throw it in the trash, but only when I bent it 90 degrees did it snap. Bamboo is amazing.
But nothing beets carbon in consistency and customisation.
When I’m training I’m using carbon shafts. Absolutely most of the time. It’s much easier to find faults in your form with a carbon shaft. With wood, it can be the arrow that fails. If it’s carbon, you know it’s you. Then on competition I use wood since it’s the rules (longbow). I seldom use aluminum since I just don’t like it. Therefore I try to find carbon and wooden shafts that match in weight so when I switch arrows for a competition, the arrows behaves in the same way. Well, almost that is. Close enough I think.
Odd that you don't like aluminium shafts. They're the most accurate shafts for recurve archery. I don't use them because I shoot a compound, so I use composite shafts.
I use carbon because my bow is only 30#, there is no less than 10gpp wooden or bamboo arrow with 30" length.
I began with wooden, crafted by me a lot of years ago, they were horrible but satisfied for me to made (and destroy) now I am mature, I bougth a simple bow, fiberglass carbon arrows, riser is plastic. The cabin arrows seem indestructible, almost perfect, I was young and idiot.
fuck yes! thanks! i have thought about this so much
Biggest downside of wooden arrows becomes very evident, once the arrow shatters on launch and one is picking splinters off the bow arm with pliers and tweezers. That does happen. Happened to me.
Biggest upside of wooden arrows, is once that shattering incident happens, one will not use nor buy another wooden arrow ever again.
Carbon can do the same thing when damaged. There's cases of pieces of carbon arrow being driven through the archer's hand. Carbon splinters also never soften or decompose meaning they're an ongoing hazard for anyone else that may use the area in the future.
Barrelled aluminium carbon arrows with tungsten points 💁♂️
I chose wooden arrows and I can say that for a beginner they are definitely not a great choice. At least not the cheap ones that is. I had 10 of them and in a week I have destroyed most of them. Some of them just snapped in my hand as I have been pulling them out of the target, others have cracked on impact. Also I have assembled them myself with zero knowledge on how to actually do that or ever seeing an actual arrow in real life (How hard can it be? ... Actually pretty hard :D) Apart from the arrows themselves being destroyed, It's 2°C on average here and my hunter rests are being torn to shreds by these after only a few shots. That because the shafts are rough, thick and untreated as well as damn heavy and plastic is now brittle. So... lessons have been learned.
For a second fail take on my beginner form I have gone for rather cheap Core fiberglass arrows. Not only I think they'll be better suited for my low poundage (24lb) but I also believe they'll be somewhat more flexible. I haven't gone for aluminium or carbon because being a beginner I still screw up a lot and occasionally hit all sorts of things. Not to mention there is several arrow heads permanently embedded in my target now. Therefore I presume there will be more destruction on the way as I'm working on my form.
Do you ever catch your glasses with the string? Looks close!
Carbon shafts are just better in every possible way... as I sit with a pile of about 70 homemade bamboo arrows of different lengths and fletching styles sitting in various quivers in my house. That being said, I like different archery traditions, but can't afford to buy new arrow sets for each type of archery I build a bow for... so homemade bamboo it is.
how to make an archery backstop target same as yours, coach?
do I have to flex test wooden arrows before shooting to prevent them from splitting and hitting my hand as well?
Hi. Where did u buy the carbon arrow? Its beautiful. Is it available online with link?
It makes sense to shoot a wooden arrow with a horn composite bow or with a yew longbow. - It does not make any sense to shoot wooden arrows with traditional bows made from modern materials like fiberglass, wooden laminated, biocomposite, monolith technology, resin etc. Rules should be changed!
Also is it ok to practice with a cheap arrows and shoot with expensive ones for tournaments? Damaging X10s can get very expensive.
It's recommended, in fact. Tune your bow for your competition arrows, but practise form with cheaper arrows.
What about glass carbon from fivics goldpro arrow..?
Respected sir, pls clear which arrow shaft is better flexible or stiff for wooden arrow,I want to do traditional archery. Sir pls waiting for reply
ive just bought a recurve bow and carbon arrows, i wanted to know can i ffit any screw in arrow to my shafts or are they different size threads,? if anyone could tell me ide appretiate it thanks👍🏹
Of course this is very true... However, i am shooting wooden arrows, cause i am going to midage festivals with my bows and the rest of my stuff. And the guys in the midage have no understanding for any modern material. ;) black magic, burn him... you know what i mean. So i will use my wooden arrows just to train with them, so i dont suck when i am going to the middelage bow tournament. ;)
Carbon vs Aluminium next?
I've actually already done a more comprehensive video comparing arrow materials long ago: th-cam.com/video/HLMte8lAYmE/w-d-xo.html.
This video is more specifically looking at getting wooden or carbon arrows for traditional shooting. Aluminium tends to be uncommon in trad shooting as it developed for modern target shooting. Trad shooters tend to go for either the wooden purist choice, or the modern carbon shaft.
@@NUSensei I've been told not to use carbon arrows for shooting off the hand (trad style). The (shop keeper's) argument is that a damaged carbon arrow could leave carbon splinters in your bow hand. Is this a reasonable argument? or more to do with someone wanting to sell me wooden arrows to replace my carbons?
What about hunting?
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bambooooooo!!!! Rules!
I found carbon fiber works way better than the aluminum that's for sureI
The point of wood is its free
Neither, Aluminum Arrows all the way!
While the general gist of the video is reasonable, it contains too much misinformation and incorrect assertions to be accurate.
Hi Nu Sensei, what about fiber glass arrows? BTW, I am very very very new and just bought a cheap set for fun. Are carbon arrows that much significant difference?
Fiberglass = don't go there. Either go carbon or wood.
@@NUSensei are they dangerous? BTW, I do not intend to go for competition. Just shooting arrows for fun at 10-30m. I follow your channel to understand the techniques of shooting a bow & arrow.
40 lbs triditional bow ı have and ı bought 31" 700 spine carbon arrow is it right? saller offer me so..
Ben 500 tercih ederdim ama yayında merkezi kesik yoksa 700 daha ideal. Geleneksel recurve kullanıyorsaniz eğer 700 tam olması gerekendir. Ben şahsen biraz daha sert ok kullanmaktan keyif alıyorum. Yalnız okun idealden sert olması fazla esnek olmasından daha iyidir, daha güvenlidir. Yalnız unutmadan okun uzunluğu da bu hesabın bı parçasıdır. İyi günler.
@@silverlance6960 teşekkürler 500 spine 8mm karbon ok'a geçtim..
@@asarcik (= güzel tercih. iyi günler.
@@silverlance6960 teşekkürler
how long have carbon shafts been around? How long have wood shafts been around. There is no soul to carbon.
There might be no soul in carbon, but there is carbon in wood.
The modern ones should stop making their shit so ugly with text and numbers !!!