Who killed Pat Garrett? Old West Murder Mystery
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- From investigating the Fountain disappearance to working as Sheriff of Dona Ana County, New Mexico to being appointed as the Collector of Customs by Teddy Roosevelt himself, Pat Garrett seemed to be living up to the notoriety gained from killing Billy the Kid. Unfortunately it would all come crashing down. Just a few years after the turn of the century, an aging Garrett would find himself out of a job and deeply in debt. Things would even get so bad that Pat’s family property was seized and auctioned, and the once proud lawman was reduced to begging friends for money in order to feed his family. And then came the goats. Ah, the goats. Pat leased his remaining land to an easy going cowpoke named Wayne Brazel; a decision that would ultimately cost Garrett his life. Who killed Pat Garrett? The answer might surprise you! #history #wildwest #western
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Who killed Pat Garrett? Was Wayne Brazel the lone shooter or did he have a little help? Was Deacon Jim Miller involved? Or was it just aliens? Drop you theories here in the comments!
Not aliens. The high vampire society of outlaws… The HVSO… where angry at the news young vampire Billy Bonney was stirring up, worked behind the scenes to hire Pat, then they had to kill him as he was closing in on the conspiracy.
Thank you
Obviously it was Billy. Or possibly vampires.
We have come from our planet 100 trillion miles away to probe the cornhole of a sheriff and then execute him. Nothing to see here.
I like your style😊
Thank you for all your hard work bro. Your history documentarys are of the finest quality.
Many thanks
Ive never been just really interested in Old West documentaries/podcasts, but you, Josh, have an incredible way of sucking people in to the actual stories, not the myths. I appreciate that.
My own folks wound up in SE Missouri then West Tennessee, so we had soldiers, horse theives, and rumrunners....havent found any of us in the Old West yet (thank God 😂).
BTW, I'm still all for a satire podcast with the KOTH guys.
Thanks Denise!
It was Brushy Bill Roberts who killed Pat Garret 😂
You are right it was Billy kid who kill pat,Garrett
I kind d of believe that Garret didn't kill him let his friend go I dont know who killed garret but why would Billy kill him
😄😄😄😂😂🤣😂🤣😂😅
Yup he didn't ever cough up the 250.00 on their deal.
I am surprised Bushy Bill didn’t claim it.
Keep it up Josh. Your podcast always makes the workday better. Great job as always.
Much appreciated
Bro. The way you linked this to Billy Kids photo proving the existence of aliens. You are an effin legend.
Billy told Pat before he shot him..." I' ll make ya famous"...and the rest is history.
Well, as per usual. Another great episode. Well said, btw. It's almost impossible to find anyone who is all good especially when the idea of what it means to be good is largely up to interpretation. The vast majority of people have done something that someone else would consider bad by another person at some point or another. "Speaking of Cox," in the end we're all caught up in the great big circle jerk of life. Keep up the awesome work, man!
Haha
Ghandi? Maybe
Lot of folks think Oliver Lee and The Cox's had something to do with Pat's death.
I am new to your channel and I am so glad I stumbled upon it! I love history and I really dig a good storyteller and you def fit that title! Nice to have made your acquaintance Josh! Great series on the Wild West lawman Pat Garrett! Now I shall begin deep diving the rest of your catalog! Well done man! ✨✌️👽✨
Glad to have you aboard!
I'm excited every time there's a new episode Thanks for your work
Thank YOU
I found your comment about the new “Prentice” hilarious!! Prentice is an old family name in my family. A male child has carried that name in my family for at least 5 generations going back to the civil war era, I carry it as my middle name and in honor of my father and grandfather who both carried it, I named my first son “Prentice” however I took Ren out of the middle and he is known as “Ren”. I too, being a history student couldn’t let it die.
That's pretty cool!
Awesome content! Thank you for all you do.
Thanks for listening, Steve
I found your comment about the name“Prentice” hilarious!! Prentice is an old family name in my family. A male child has carried that name in my family for at least 5 generations going back to the civil war era, I carry it as my middle name and in honor of my father and grandfather who both carried it, I named my first son “Prentice” however I took Ren out of the middle and he is known as “Ren”. I too, being a history student couldn’t let it die.
Damn good episode great work as always Josh
Gracias
Translate to English 😅
As a Minnesotan who has studied much of my state’s history, I’m looking forward to your looking into and expanding!
Wow, I've never really known much about Garrett with the exception of his day's with Billy the Kid.. So I really learned a bunch of new stuff!! Loving this channel!!
Thanks!
Great episode as always Josh, was really looking forward to the series on Pat Garrett. Was wondering if you have any plans on doing a video on Belle Starr? Being from Oklahoma ( I hope you don't hold that against me lol) I have always been interested in the Wild West era figures that were in Oklahoma from time to time.
Thanks. I definitely plan to cover Belle Starr
Roflol , I knew I would enjoy an old west story , however I never thought I would enjoy a good cowboys vs aliens story. Well done.
Thanks!
Another great series!! Thanks Josh
My pleasure
Thank you Josh, your work is appreciated.
Thanks Jeff
Man I'm getting addicted :D thanks again for a fascinating and enthralling presentation :)
Glad to hear it!
I really enjoy your content..... Outstanding stuff bud👍🏻💯🍻
Thank you!
Another good one. Thanks, Beaver Eater. I did expect more cox jokes, though. Way to be mature.
I'm trying
You do a great job of story telling!
Glad you enjoy it!
These presentations have been fantabulus, and stellar too :)
Thank you very, very much
Glad you like them!
Love your shows man!
Thank you
I wish I knew all this history when I was stationed at fort bliss. Might have made that pit much more enjoyable. We all appreciate the content Josh keep it up bo.
Now you're going to have to reenlist
No sir I believe I am good. 😆
Fort bliss , gate way to inexpensive.....snatch ( juarez ) my father left me many half siblings down there !
Jesus Christ brother; kinda spiraled over the Alien Theory…..but, ya know, I’m here for it! 😂😂😂 some proper ass character development! 🫡🫡😂😂😂
Great stuff again! Thank you
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for all your research. Very much appreciated. ❤
Any time!
I owned a house in Minneapolis, MN, from 2015-2017, built in 1904...always found it interesting walking the floors thinking about the history happening at the time, and decades later(111 years at the time)....like Pat being killed 4 years after it was built...the family living there at the time reading it in the newspaper in the same living room or parlor I was sitting in!(for example).
This whole time I listened to Garrett's life every time you said Roswell I never dreamed you could work Quark from Deep Space Nine into the podcast lol.
Ha
@@WildWestExtravaganza but for real I have done a little reading on Garrett and watched a few documentaries on him and I learned more about him listening to you than anywhere else. Thank you so much.
But who would win in a shootout... Wayne Brazell, John Selman or Jack McCall? Awesome episode as usual!
John Selman could have taken on both of those dudes blindfolded and with both arms tied behind his back. Selman was a legit nasty dude.
@@WildWestExtravaganza but could he win the back shooting contest outright, that's the question. My money'd be on whichever one has closest ties to Alpha Centari.
Good point, I didn't take Alpha Centauti into the equation
@@WildWestExtravaganza outside intergalactic money'd interest Dandies, making their play through local intermediaries cause they haven't got the balls for direct confrontation in the early stages of the game. Happened in every town on the frontier as soon as the savages got cleared out.
It's amazing to think that Pat Garrett was an ancestor of Ms. Garrett from Diff'rent Strokes and Facts of Life! History is fascinating.
The more you know...
That burgess shotgun was really cool. Not only did it fold in half but it was a repeater. You would slide the whole trigger guard and group down the grip like a pump action. Crazy. So like where a lever action lever would be is where the trigger group slid down to eject and cock the hammer as another round comes out of the tube. So sweet.
Pretty cool
Love to podcast. This episode reminds me of the bloody beaver days. Keep the coming.
Many thanks
Damn fine work. Thanks Josh.
Many thanks
Aliens, Aliens?its a pure fact that Pat Garrett was an alien. 6 foot 5 inches. No one during this time was this tall. His fighting capabilities were like screwing with a limp noodle as he lost all of them. Great work Josh for proving he was an alien. Also Tom Horn and Jim Miller arrived on the same ship. Because of their duplicity in law enforcement thier over all purpose was not to trust anyone in government unless they have at the very least 4 pronouns.
I beg to differ. My great, great grandfather was 6'7" in the 1880s
@@deelady53 please tell me you did not take my comment seriously.
@jamesdeen3011 no, I didn't. I actually laughed. But I'm only 5' and have to tell people how tall the rest of my family is.
@@deelady53 😁
Tall whites. Type of alien that is documented in that area for a long time
Takes a lot to get me to subscribe, and then u dropped the Simpsons bullfrog - Australia reference.... Subscribed...
Ha. Welcome aboard
Oh boy😮💨 an hour long episode. FANTASTIC🫡 thank you good sir
Thank you
Agreed!😊
As always brilliant
Thank you
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I'm trying
Old West murder mystery. If I ever get on trial for murder my defense is definitely gonna be "I'm an Indian outlaw." Thanks for putting it in my mind.
Great episode, despite it being filled with cox. Glad you didn't name it all about cox, I may not have listened. You rock brother!
Gracias
Boom… Nice one. Thank you.
Boom
Had no Idea about this of Garrett. Like learning the later life of Wyatt.
great show
Thanks
@@WildWestExtravaganza welcome
Didn’t people investigating Garrett’s murder discover a valley that someone had been camping out in for a couple of days with evidence of camp fires and a horses prints that had been grazing that area for a day or two? This was right by where Garrett was shoot when the one guy said they needed to piss? I forget where I read it.
Maybe, not sure
@@mikearnold7982 I dont recall where I read or heard it. I do recall that they were pushing the theory of Jim Miller being the assassin. Shooting him in the back of the head sounds like the cowards Modus Operandi. . I was never a fan of Garrett’s but that is based on wives tales of what happened between him and Billy. Those stories are less believable the older I get but regardless Garrett was a man’s man and deserved better than this ending.
I know Garrett’s children operated a series of feed mills in eastern New Mexico. Wish I could go back in time and ask them about some of their stories.
Good job brother!
Thanks!
Pat Garrett was a man of his times, no better or worse than most in that day and time.
deacon Jim was one of my favorite episodes, its like listening to 1800s true crime! so if you are fixin to do another series on him dose that mean its finally time to also redo the series on john westly Hardin? his story was somthin different, the one episode that really could give me the chills, ever imagine what it be like runnin into either one of them in a bar? not even in like a Hollywood style argument, just saw the man, maybe talked to him, played some pharaoh or poker with them, maybe if it was hardin have a drink, just a seemingly normal experience, until you realized your drinking or card playing partners were actually a wanted killer, maybe he gets into a fight in front of you, then likely later that night you'd hear a shot or two and next morning you find the body of the fella who was arguing with him. I cant say I know for sure, I can say I've been drinking and binge listening to these a lot lately. makes ya think about this kinda stuff a good bit.
Haha I'm definitely doing a series on both Hardin and Deacon Jim and Tom Horn
People always say you can't prove billy the kid was an alien. And you cant prove frank canton wasnt a vampire. But all i hear is, you cant prove they weren't
Amen
The Burgess had a hip holster available. I seem to recall reading years ago there was also a shoulder holster rig available for sawed off shotguns and this was what Garrett had.
Hi! I have an ancestor that was assassinated in Sante Fe, NM.
Last name Slough. Have you made any videos or researched this? He was a Judge.
No, I'm sorry
@WildWestExtravaganza no worries. Love your videos. I'm planning on doing some researching and adventuring in near future to find out! May not be direct relation but it's my understanding that he basically told a fella, "your a daisy if you do" or whatever the term was for....."SAY WHEN" back in those days. Was told he was sharped tongue and little filter. This does sound like a family trait🤣
Listening to this while on my way to make a delivery in ft sumner nm
Very cool
He was killed in Las Cruces on what is now Hwy 70 on the west side of the Organ Mts. 1 mile south of where I lived while attending NMSU. Love this channal!
Well this turned into a rant that would have made Rusty Shackleford proud! 😳😂
Curious why you left out that the loan was for a certain man to become governor. Pat co-signed on a loan, the governor never sought for the debt but Garrett was.
On top of this, Garrett was to be appointed a prison official, but his adverse actions of laying with a lady of the night left the governor placing someone else in the position. It’s also hinted that Pat was a drunk and unable to work the position.. but hey more than one source call him a drunk.
BTW Deacon Jim Miller is a relative to Cox through marriage, yet Miller was not in the area at the time Garrett fell.
I left it all out because I have an agenda, im an agent of misinformation, and I'm trying to make sure the truth is never revealed. Shhhhh!
@@WildWestExtravaganzaMakes Sense. Carry on secret agent man.
I think pat got to close to a conspiracy and cox put a hit on him. Great series Josh I learned alot I didn't know about Pat. I love your style I think you would be were everyone would want to hold the Sunday BBQs lol.
I thought it was Manny Clements Jr who was shot in the EL Paso saloon. Also, wasn’t W.W. Cox with the Sutton faction back in Texas?
Correct it was Jr
Yes. He was a Sutton partisan. His father, James Cox, was killed by the Taylor faction in 1873
I can’t find part 4😢
It's there
@@WildWestExtravaganza which one is it? It doesn’t say part 1 or 2 etc.. like what’s the title?
@@saint_spine2551 whoops, my bad. It's "The Vanishing of Albert Jennings Fountain"
@@WildWestExtravaganza thank you!
My pleasure
josh i think the alien theory is the most plausible/reasonable outcome to this... lol. - nahh i'm only messing around, i'm about to hit the sack but ill log back on and give you the goods on pat garret! when i wake up, i promise it'll be an extremely interesting peak into the mind set of him and his ultimate downfall, and it involves gambling. o.k. good night for now my friend, and tku great work josh.
I await your return with bated breath
Good, very good and well done, great and enjoyable content again, hour goes so fast.
Glad you enjoy it
„You will never be like me. You will just be the man that shot Billy The Kid“
dude you're knowledge of the Old West is off the hook 🪝.
I’m sorry but as a lifelong New Mexican I have to correct your pronunciation of Dona Ana County it’s “doe n ya ah nah” but otherwise your work is outstanding
Got it
Wasn't Adamson arrested and i believe convicted of human trafficking a year later.Maybe he wanted the Garrett ranch as a layover for is illicit trade.
He certainly was arrested. I touch on that later in the episode.
I love how you're not scured to admit when you're wrong or missed something previously in a previous video,s
Epic amount of goats🐐 & cox in 1 podcast💥 😂💥 🤠🐐🤣
Can't go wrong with goats and cox
I grew up in Las Cruces NM from 1958 to 1974. In them mid ‘60s I would go with dad to pawn shops and shooting matches. I heard the old men talk about who shot who who cheating who kinda like the old campfire stories. Many said Pat Garrett had a mouth on him and was a bully and had that ill cut your throat look! WW Cox was a member of the Cattlemen’s Association…….stories heard they governed themselves! Having said that look how Tom Horn was tried and convicted while employed by the association. The old men in the mid ‘60s said that Garrett’s mouth and being a bully was what got him in the end. Amazing how old stories get stretched and added onto and told for truth!
One of the mysterious ? of the Billy saga. I will definitely be listening to this tonight. Keep on T.C.B.ing it Josh.
Thanks
Damn Pat Garret! Vampire Hunter!
Cowboys vs aliens
I didn't know Pat Garrett was an atheist or agnostic that was almost unheard of in that day
Same Brazel family that tried to capitalize on Roswell.
I read accounts by three separate aliens and they deny any involvement, although two of them were glad to see Garrett dead, as they thought he was too "nosey." However, I am not convinced.
I’m so hammered I drank 18 natural lights and drinking 😂on Sunkist orange
Dang, hydrate
Thanks!
Thanks Clark!
About a year ago, when I first heard the connection of the Brazel family to 1947 outside Roswell, the truth just came to me. (I posted it in a youtube comment at the time, which proves my tale is true, right?) It explains July 14, 1881; why Pat's story seems just a bit contrived and why the Kid appears to be gone. Obviously, the Kid was abducted by aliens to save him from being the ultimate victim of the Santa Fe Ring. Garrett had to make up something plausible to explain it, as he certainly couldn't publicly finger the aliens and be taken seriously ever again in the old wet. I mean, "Cowboys & Aliens" hadn't even hit the theaters yet! But think about it. In 1947, the aliens return an aging Billy in the form of Brushy Bill Roberts, just in time for him to plant the rumors that lead William Morrison to find him. Sure, he only looks to be 70-ish, not 90, but that Einstein theory for slowing the rate of aging in space resolves that little problem. William "Mac" Brazel's Uncle, Jesse Wayne, was obviously a previous abductee by 1908, and was assigned by the aliens to take out Garrett, on the concern that he would expose their plan to return the Kid in the mid 20th Century. Jesse Wayne was rewarded with a life travelling the universe with his alien buddies, after his wife died. Then his Nephew Mac is assigned the task of covering up the return of Billy the Kid by creating a misdirection with the military and the UFO vs weather balloon stories. Sad that the aliens didn't think to abduct and brainwash NM Governor Mabry into granting the pardon. It all could have had a happy ending. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Well I'm sold
I disliked "tall white" garrett from the opening episode when apparently all the women in the state named his junk "el long papi" or some such. Dastardly
Juan Largo!!!!
@@WildWestExtravaganza fitting Juan Largo died with his weapon in his hand
I don't know when two different people named the same man who ever Uncle so-and-so was then that to me is credible because there's two people saying the same person. I never believed Jim Miller was involved because Jim Miller by all accounts wasn't a brave man so he took the easy way out when he assassinated people by carrying shotguns. People who carried shotguns back then were called cowards it is interesting that Pat Garrett also carried one. But I'm going to do some research on this Uncle so-and-so.
People who carried shotguns back then were certainly not called cowards. Shotguns were one of the most popular firearms. Where did you hear that? And why would having a shotgun be considered cowardly?
You should do a podcast on Chief Wenonga and the battle at Battle Lake, MN.
Love your fair take throughout your episodes, as well as your humor...should be MUCH bigger!
Thanks!
Bravo Josh Bravo!!!!
I believe that Pat Garrett was no better or worse than most Old West lawmen. Most of these lawmen wore many "hats. Lawmen would often supplement there income with ownership or part ownership in saloons, brothels and gambling joints, creating a conflict of interest to say the list. They would have endless lists of enemies.If not for Billy the Kid, we would never have heard of Pat Garrett.
Agreed
Yup
Hello from Brownsville texas
Hello Brownsville
William Cox was associated with the Sutton side of the Taylor/ Sutton feud. His father, James Cox, was killed by the Taylor faction in 1873. James Cox had been a Sutton man
Correct
You probably already have it but "the last days of the sioux nation" by robert utley talks about wounded knee if your looking for more research material.
Soooo....(hic*)....he had a few beers once ( hic*)....once in a (hic*)....while..... I've been known to smoke a beer....(hic*) once in a while.
Thanks Josh, keep up the good work.
Ever get a look at that Billy pic, ( that looks like O. FOLLIARD in my opinion)
The opportunist met kharma. Cant feel sorry for Pat, life's a bitch.
Love your story telling. My fav..💯✌
Love the Red Cloud war idea..
Josh, wait a minute..
What happened?
@@WildWestExtravaganza
I had some satire reply, but hit the dang enter button first then my internet dropped..
I think the NSA read what I was writing and prevented me from posting MY Theory as to all this 🤣😂
I think you're right. They're always watching...
Sad to hear 👂 about this 😮😢😮😢
Really? Pat Garrett bushwhacked? Ironic.
WTF 😎? Why doesn't anyone talk about Billy the Kid's Older Brother Josey he was 4yrs older than Billy ❓
I have an episode on him
Its documented that Garrett killed 2 people thinking they were the kid. He was a shoot first and then look at their face person. Pretty reckless and cowardly if you ask me. The only reason he didn't get trouble for the 2 killings is because they were both outlaws.
I dunno...it wasn't like he was closing his eyes and randomly shooting into crowds of civilians. The first incident you're describing is the death of Tom Folliard. Tom, the Kid, and a few others were riding into Fort Sumner to kill Garrett. Pat lured them there with false information that it was just him & one deputy. The halt warning was given, Folliard went for his gun, and he was shot. Sounds like a justifiable killing even by todays standards.
2nd incident is when Bowdre was killed. The posse had the gang surrounded. Billy, Tom Pickett, Bill Wilson, Bowdre, and Rudabaugh. All outlaws. Bowdre stepped outside, they thought he was the Kid, and opened fire. I'm not saying it was a good thing but you make it sound like Pat was just randomly assassinating people for giggles.
You are great man. Love what you do, Wish I could share this with my Dad, but you cuss too much!!!!! Your Mom should have made you "eat" soap. 😮
Just put your hands over his ears during the naughty words
@@WildWestExtravaganza I'm not THAT FAST!!! 😆
I’m an as confident as I can be, will absolutely zero evidence, that is was the ghost of Billy that killed Pat in act of revenge. Seems as good a story as any others.
Definitely
Theodore Roosevelt talks some about the reappointment issue in his autobiography. Roosevelt was very proper person, some might say bit of a prood, by todays standard. Roosevelt was offended by the entire episode.
4TH Cousin, most of The Regulators are cousins. Tom Catron is a cousin. My family has been in New Mexico now for over 200 years. Oliver Lee is also a cousin.
Who did Kill Pat Garrett 😮😯😞🤔❓
Billy the,kid
What a scumbag. Owes everyone money he refuses to pay. Even to the point of letting his wife and child go hungry. A drunk and a gambler but insists on everyone else following the rules or else he'll turn them in. What a cop