Drivers 'falling into the TRAP' of 20mph speed limits claims lawyer Mr Loophole
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- Criminal Lawyer and ‘Mr Loophole’, Nick Freeman, discusses 20mph speed limits and the consequences for drivers.
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Driving instructor here It takes concentration off the road to hold the car back to 20mph. But lets face facts they want to take away personnel transport from poorer people and working class.
I don’t disagree but the rich still have to deal with the same speed limits 😂
you,ve got it dave👍The "pleb" class and "the elite"plus they cut emissions and get to their mistresses house on time as the roads are nice and clear.The richer middle classes pay a huge indirect tax just for the right to exist on the road
Unfortunately your excuse is one that is countered by saying you're a bad driver if you can't control your vehicle, a better more logical approach is to explain that 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears are accelerating gears with the aim to get up into 4th gear for economy and because you'll produce less emissions than the accelerating gears. They claim to want less pollution but they're making us produce more!
@@reececollison5101 the rich can afford the fines and insurance hikes
@@ASBO_LUTELY Totally agree! The most efficient speed is between 55 and 60mph.
Very slow speeds use far more petrol and produce more fumes. Fact.
I hate what has happened to my country in my lifetime... I feel robbed.
I wish I was young enough, I would leave stupid Britain
GLOBALISUM IS COMMUNISUM !!
At least you two got a voice..3 replies one visible.
@@nospoon4799 tell me about it... happens all the time! Complete joke
@@dannyboywhaa3146 Just touch the wrong subject and booof the pixies got your comment. Worse you still see it yourself.
If Khan thinks he's helping emissions reduce by this ridiculous limit, he's wrong. Imperial College research suggests 20 mph have "no net negative impact on exhaust emissions" So definitely points to being a cash cow for London and other councils.
It's about control of us, Has nothing to do with the environment. Climate lockdowns are coming very soon.
Nothing to do with emissions, it has everything to do with plugging the financial gap. We have it in Wales too on some roads.
If emissions are the issue then the best method of reducing it is to keep traffic moving at a constant speed. Acceleration (caused by deceleration) uses much more fuel. Surely the use of roads need to be looked at to improve the free flow for the majority. By me there is a bus lane for a few hundred yards up to an island used once every 15 minutes at most. But the cars back up 4 times this length which in turn slows the bus. Counter intuitive much? If this was removed (like it was until 8 years ago) then traffic would flow better. This was put in because the council gets more grants if they have x amount of bus routes...
But this is not emission related. Cars are now safer for all than ever, BUT the 20 is plenty minority are winning because local government (councils) know they can use it to their advantage and yet again suck the people of more money and time.
@@kenjewell5619 and more cameras no doubt
In fact the research shows that emissions are reduced with max 20mph limits. Not sure why you didn't mention that?
This is not justice. A country where ordinary people are treated like this is in serious trouble.
We've always been treated like this. It took lockdown for most people to actually realise.
Time to spit your dummy out and realise that this is a good thing for pedestrians and those who hate the sound of traffic in their street
we were in trouble years ago, the fact 77 Brigade are all over this suggests we have become a militarised police state the likes of which Hitler could only dream about...
@@nospoon4799 I took zero notice of that bogus lockdown . More fool those who did . It was wrong and a lie
Not just a revenue collection system but a way to frustrate drivers so much that they don’t use their cars 🤔
someone has got their head screwed on properly.... Cash/money = irrelevant to them ! they print money/create it out of thin air.
If it reduces my taxes while fining arseholes who can't behave on the road I'll vote for it.
A frustrated driver is someone who is not fit to hold a licence
Most pertinent comment on this thread, and one I wholly agree with. it's all being done to get us out of cars.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne believe me when I say I want to be totally wrong
The worst part about 20mph speed limits and trying to stick to it is the road rage. People get even closer and more angry behind you than they ever did before. It’s very intimidating when you look behind you and you’re causing a queue of angry people just because you are trying to keep to 20mph.!
You're the only person I've ever heard this from and I believe it is a major issue. Everywhere you drive in the UK you encounter bullies. Also, I can count on one hand the amount of men whom would describe their driving ability as being "average" or even "below average" - Check out the "Dunning-Kruger Effect". I suspect that many people believe the driving rules are for "other people" but not for someone as highly skilled and important as them. I also suspect the reason for the lack of courtesy on the roads is due to how cars are marketed now - it's as if the car is an extension of the vehicle owner's ego and social position. For this you need look no further than the craze for having a "personalised" number plate (what I call w⚓ plates). Add to all this all the gadgets in cars now (info-tainment screens, cup holders, in-built mobile phone connectivity) and it's no wonder why motor insurance is so high. Anyway, stay safe and consider getting a dash-cam front and back if you haven't already. 👍🏼
Agreed! I often have to drive into the middle of London for work and while my little van is fine sitting at 20mph in 3rd gear, the cars behind me are very rarely fine with me doing so.
Not your problem,stick to under 20 because that person behind you is not going to pay your fine but your actually saving lots not getting a fine and even better pissing off the bloke holding a speed gun,that really makes me smile when I’m going 15mph in a 30 zone😀
And that is just the bus driver in Southall trying to push you off the road!
@M S doing 15 in a 30 UNLESS there is something impeding your progress is antisocial and one would be unlikely to pass a driving test using that algorithm.
KHAN MUST GO NOW
Problem is the lemmings in London will vote Labour and he will be back.
He must have dirt on our government for him to have not gone already.
@@b0rg1010 he is doing what the wef puppets, Blair, Starmer, Sunak etc want him to do. He must be being paid well.
@@b0rg1010 I thought there was a hair on my screen!
@@SimonLloydGuitar No vote unless your born in the UK . sorted
I felt bad, did 35 mph just as I got to a 30 mph. Got a ticket, took a speed awareness course. All the people on the course were not boy races , and all said that they were just over the limit as they slowed for a 30 mph. The camera van was tucked away out of sight . I asked the operator how many he got, lots, none over 40 mph but just over the 30. Money making scam
About 8 years ago similar. i admit was just entering a 40,from a 30. Camera van was parked about 40 feet away from start of 40. I had accelerated to 36 at this point.
Well i guess someone has to pay for the PRIDE paintwork on their vehicles!
If argued they will claim a complete intolerance for speeding.
So what about our complete intolerance for the many problems our local authorities and police cause? We should be getting massive rebates from all of them!
And most speedometers are not accurate, very often 4 mph differences.. Wide wheels can also effect an error too.
Shouldn't have driven over the limit then
@@jastat ppft
@@jastat hey so it seems you commented 20 times so I will put my answer to you here too. Why don't you examine your preconceived notions and bottled sense of superiority that has forced you to answer every comment on a video as though 34 km/h is a normal speed that everyone should go on all the time. Even when the car naturally tends to higher on many roads. Thus reducing awareness and raising emissions at the same time. The only good side is it is a cash cow for the county.... And the good of those who target individuals is not shared by most of the general public. You being the exception. It makes you feel like an honourary official.
Nick speaks so much common sense. Shame the government don’t do the same
LMAO, I dont need anyone to tell me this.....I was born with common sense snowflake.
They are all given the Scripts from Klau$ $chwab - The W£F New World, as $chwab and Old King $au$age Fingers say: -
*_"You will OWN NOTHING, you will GO NOWHERE & BE HAPPY"_*
As a former Police officer who spent 25 years both policing the roads AND hating Nick freeman I have to say the man came across well and spoke a lot of sense.
The whole point of a speeding fine is to reduce the amount of people speeding, so when the amount of people speeding increases instead of decreasing then it is evidence that the entire system is broken and is not fit for purpose…. [or that is actually designed to do something else which isn’t being admitted to]
The fining system stinks not just speed cameras but bus lanes, pedestrian zones, red light cameras, box junctions, it's so confusing and easy to be innocently caught especially in London. Don't get me started on parking fines.
GET KAHN OUT
20mph is abuse towards drivers
Repatriate him.
It literally sees drivers lapped by pedestrians and cyclists! No one drives at 20mph!
@@truckerfromreno Using a VERY SLOW _leaking_ boat!
It is t just London
They’ve been painting 20 on the roads in my area for the last 6 weeks
Ridiculous some of the roads being made 20 are main roads
@@kpr1969 The people doing the painting should be ashamed of themselves.
Get them all out they are destroying life in this country at every point they touch
Clear them out.
If only England will grow balls again
Literally this. Their only job is to take our money and freedoms
(sorry, enforce taxation and make rules)
Very true
Just another way of harrasing the population. This country is run by a load of cy un ts!
I would think 20mph would have a negative safety effect. You're spending more time looking at the speedometer than you are at the road.
That's so true Scott , so not only are the emissions more in that area because you're going slower, you could cause an accident by taking your eyes off the road.
Well said.
Don't you bother looking at the speedometer when the limit is higher? Sounds like you may struggle to drive safely at any speed....
But, Scott, doesn't that happen at any speed limit? Drivers tend to drive up to the speed limit (if not over it), therefore they will always be having to check the speedo.
Once again you want to avoid easily defeatable arguments like this, scientifically speaking lower speeds = more fumes! So, much for being green, it's all greenwashing piffle!
Along with avoiding pot holes and wallys walking In front of you. It's purely just another tax on the motorists. It's f###ing disgusting.
The 20mph limit on the A501 (dual carriageway, three lanes in each direction) is completely and utterly insane. After that you have the Paddington flyover which used to be 50mph but is now 30; that's actually a motorway with a hard shoulder!
I remember the Paddington flyover as a 70mph road.
Money easy target the car
They're seeking to steal more money from good motorists. Disgusting.
The speed limit is now higher on my residential street with houses on both sides and cars parked all over the place, than it is on the six lane A501.
@@PJ-om2wq ...which lets you know that the real intention of the council is to trap as many drivers as possible in order to rob them of their money.
Speed limits WERE ALWAYS determined based on safety of the road construction/design and the 90% percentile of what NORMAL DRIVERS would take for speed in that area. It was never determined based on money-making. They have corrupted the entire process.
No, it's the same principle being used, but just adjusted for the more and more aggressive, entitled and distracted, driver of today (with more powerful cars than ever).
It's time to protest on the streets against the control of the government's stupid law
@@homie3461exactly!
@@homie3461 reduction of noise is not a benefit of 20mph limits... revs are much higher at 20 in second gear than they are in third gear at 23mph (where my specific car naturally sits) 25mph would be the best low speed limit IMO. To be honest I live on a main road that is a 20 limit (even though the road is wide and was built for a 40 limit) but the reality is that ONLY Learner drivers do 20mph on that road... most still do 26 - 30.
It's all largely a cash grab and not about safety. I was driving in North Wales recently. A part of the UK well known for its draconian and overzealous use of speed restrictions and cameras. I was driving along a 70 mph limit dual carriageway, which for no legitimate reason suddenly became a 50 mph with average speed check cameras.
Very soon after entering the 50 mph average speed enforcement section of the road, the reason became clear. The road went into a decline, which, if you were not careful to notice and thus constantly ride your brakes, would have your car naturally continue to gradually keep increasing its speed above 50 mph without it being clearly apparent to you. As soon as the decline ended and the road levelled out again the 50 mph average speed check enforcement immediately ended, and the road returned to a 70 mph speed limit again.
It was so obvious that the 50 mph average speed check cameras had been deliberately placed on just that section of declining road to deliberately take advantage of and catch drivers out on the decline for getting fine revenue. Their placement was absolutely nothing to do with safety.
Yeah that section of the A55 east of Llandudno Junction is a nice little earner for the Welsh Government. The speed limit is 50mph for "environmental reasons".
> The road went into a decline
Our roads have been declining for years. Hopefully they'll use some of their cash mountain to fill the potholes.
The 20 mph speed could be triggered by a cyclist passing you, but you get the fine.
@@peterthomas5792 more likely fill their pockets
Not only that - that section of the road was "worked on" for about 3 years I think - all they did was pull up the central reservation with all the beautiful daffodils and put armco barrier down - someone aught to investigate who was getting little brown envelopes in their drawers....absolute disgrace.
Also got the same issue going on on the promenade at Colwyn Bay where the road has been up for a year now with no work to show for it.... councillors propbably lining their pockets again...!
Vote Khan out. Vote in Howard cox of the reform party, his policy is to remove all almost all 20mph limit and remove all LTNs
20 mph zones were designed as a cash Cow under the guise of Safety and the environment.
The French donned yellow vests and ripped the slow speed signs and cameras down. They had been taxed to the hilt already and couldn’t take anymore.
@@johngeier8692The French have earned my respect with the way they stand up and take action against the machine!
@@johngeier8692 That's called UNITY
Something we aint got, that's why all our hotels are full with illegals, all here for a life upgrade, all the free perks they didn't get as they passed through all those safe countries to get HERE!
DisneyLAND! UK!
The environmental argument is a load of bollocks. Cardiff is now 20mph and lanes have been axed so they can be turned into bus lanes and Deliveroo, sorry, cycle lanes. It's been a catastrophe. Congestion worse than ever.
@@hugodrax71 Do you cycle a lot then?
This is disgraceful. Just another tax, people must fight against it.
Fight against it? And do what?
@@gopnikolai7483 Block roads maybe? Throw eggs or tomatoes at the cameras? :D
@@gopnikolai7483 if everyone refuses to pay then how is this "over worked" legal system going to get everyone in court? And for those that do, their expenses should be croud funded by an organisation set up solely for civil disobedience.
we do. We go on social media and moan. Or we go "Tsssk!" when we talk about it. The fight is going on.
Take the reg plates off en masse...🤔
I write this in response to the new speed maximum of 20mph for the city of Cardiff and surrounding areas, last month my wife and myself made a visit to the most beautiful city of Wales, and attached my daughters wedding. It was a beautiful day.
I would like to make my feelings known with reference to the new speed limits placed on motorcycle riders and motorists which I drive both . I've been driving for 50yrs never had an accident and always been mindful of others on the road The new 20 mph maximum is a idiotic idea, people will not be able to hold that speed ,and will end up with points and fine and could probably lose their licence within a week ,also modern cars don't run at so low a speed and owners will have repair bills blocked catalytic converters.
I support the people of Wales and hope that the 30 mph is reinstated with the minimum of 20mph for school to keep the children safe.Graham Ball🇬🇧
'The point' is to get us out of our cars and locked down in our 15 minute WEF cities...
Yes imagine the nightmare of having local amenities nearby!
@@DOH8472ignore this clown there's no hope for people like that, leave them to their 15 minuite prisons they don't leave their houses anyway
Agreed Makalu. They are annoying and pricing us off the road, ------ all the anti car agenda.
@Skipper8472 Do stop being so silly
@@ne-ht4zx oxford dweller cope?
If you contest these speeding tickets you will be fined more by the courts, the letters you receive are threatening and bullying in themselves, we need to vote out these councillors who make these cash cow laws.
Vermin councillors
I'm going to vote for more of this. Petrolheads think they can do anything they like .. it is time for Pedestrians to start having what they want
I used to volunteer using my own vehicle to deliver meals to the elderly and disabled. After 2 parking fines, for parking in an empty street, which I had to pay myself, I packed it in. I just give up. England has gone.
Was that an "empty street" that had a no waiting or even a no loading restriction along its whole length perchance?
Distinct chance you could be lying by omission.
@@davidpnewton You are a kek.
Observation is the most important skill when driving, maybe some refresher lessons would help.
@@alankemp1970 yes. Observation, awareness and anticipation make an enormous difference when driving. You can very often spot when someone's about to do something stupid by their position in the road or similar cues. Taking appropriate steps to mitigate the resultant risk hugely reduces the risk of collisions or other bad outcomes.
It's not just England, but the rest Britain too. Wales is the worst and Scotland isn't much better. Wouldn't be surprised if it's like this in Northern Ireland too; then it wouldn't just be Britain, but UK wide. xx
Here in East Anglia there are a number of villages already zoned to 20 mph through out the village, and yes I believe this is going to become common through out the country with laws being made "willy nilly" to control the population all through the world. I feel sorry for the younger generation for what is about to happen to them because I myself being of the "Older generation" will only be affected for a short time.
There should be an official body in the UK that could be used for people to challenge the local councils implemented speed limits. Some roads just dont suit 20 mph limits and can cause alsorts of issues etc. The counciks have gone mad with low speedblimits and i think sometimes its done deliberately to antagonise drivers
Like what sorts of issues
They want you out of cars for the green NAZI agenda...
Staying within the 20mph limit requires constant attention on the speed dial, which in turn takes our eyes off the road. Consequently I believe this increases the safety risk as we are less attentive to what is going on around us, and therefore less able to anticipate potential safety risks. Another example of the Nanny state we live in, and the money grabbing local authorities.
modern cars have speed limiters
so the same goes for 30 limit? 40 limit? 50 limit? motorway 70 limit? Heck why not just abolish all speed limits cos you have to keep an eye on your speed!! Actually hilarious when you look at what half the >2 wheeled drivers are actually doing when they are supposed to have their attention on the road
You sound like someone who shouldn't be driving
@@shm5547yes they do and I've tried 20mph in my euro 6 transit automatic going on a slight downhill road, does not work, have to stay on the brake still 🚗
@@escort888 ah, depends on the car model. One of my cars does apply the brakes on the limiter downhill - as it should be. Weirdly my other will brake itself downhill when using the cruise control, but infuriatingly, will just start beeping on the limiter.
Why catch criminals when you can just criminalise society !
They focus on what makes us all upset, to invoke reactions that in truth blind us all from what is truly going on.
Stop paying fines, stop watching TV, stop listening to police and government puppets.
We all have brains and our own eyes, open them and listen to the truth your eyes see, your heart tells you.
Stop moaning about anything and fight back.
No real improvement in safety, but a great improvement in income!
I love seeing pennies drop
No improvement in safety? Look up how likely you get killed if a car hits you at 20mph vs 30mph
From a cyclist point of view I think the 20 limit is more dangerous, it puts vehicles a lot closer to the speed of cycles and scooters
@homie3461 clearly you don't cycle
@@homie3461 well you should know then that it's quite easy to cycle up to 20 mph and also how impatient some drivers can be to get past the cyclist, only that the limit is 20, I prefer the overtaking vehicle to be going past and clearing me before pulling in which I have had on many occasions
Firstly I don't drive a car, secondly I ride around 100 miles every week........on average!!
@@homie3461 the simple fact is the only time I've had a collision with a vehicle was in a 20 when the diver thought they had completed an overtake but hadn't and pulled in on me, thankfully no major harm done but I believe the situation would have been different if the car would have cleared me by going that little bit quicker
@@andrewthomas8370 I'm a cyclist, ex racing cyclist and now a long distance tourist, I commuted in London for many years and I disagree with your comment.
My London commute was 20 miles each way and took about an hour and 20 minutes, the same journey by car also took an hour and 20 minutes, admittedly, this was in the 80s, but I suspect the volume of motor vehicles has increased since.
The faster the pass, the scarier and more dangerous it is.
Europe and some states in America have had 20mph or the equivalent kmph limits for a long time and it's working fine.
Speed awareness courses are great as you catch up on new rules and regulations and its not a punishment ......I had to go on one when after never having commited any traffic offences or getting points since driving in 1975 , I got caught speeding towing a caravan!
It was the subject of much hilarity during the course.
I am convinced our local authority simply commits fraud. I had a letter saying to pay a discounted amount of £65 by a particular date. The council website did not give that option and forced me to pay £130 saying I had to write to an address miles away to claim back the difference. Letter sent… no reply. I feel like I was scammed. The staff on phone lines simply lie unashamedly. It’s appalling dishonesty.
Always check the ticket. Observation periods of an offence have to be 5 mins for a car and 10 mins for a van. Always challenge.
'I am convinced our local authority simply commits fraud.'
Well of course they do. That is their job. They have been doing it for many years.
Fight every fine and destroy the court system.
you probably did get scammed, can i send you a letter saying you owe money and put a council badge on it somewhere? my customer services are much more polite i swear. lol.
Sounds normal for Councils -- have you tried contacting the planing Dept or indeed anyother planing
It serves multiple purposes ...1) Testing how far they can push citizens. (2) Twenty m.p.h. waste fuel, time and your inclined to just cave in and buy electric. (3) Fines instead of increased taxes.
Your electric car still has to go 20mph …..
So that solves nothing.
Other than putting in debt with a new car
@@monk3yboy69 Apparently you are like the majority of people who only think there is one issue instead of a action taken as it serves multiple purposes. TOTAL CONTROL being one . They are pushing to see how much they can psychologically beat us down and the more we allow it with minimal resistance the more they will inflict dictatorship for one world govt.
Electric cars are a scam, they too will be targeted and btw, who,s got 50k in these times to get one ?
Fining wrongdoers is much better than taxing income I agree
I rode around London on a Ducati motorcycle last weekend it was really dangerous as whenever I got stuck at 20mph I was constantly overtaken by cyclists and e-scooters etc that jump the red lights and pay no attention to rules of the road but no big fines for them. Motorists are just a cash cow for Sadiq- he’s destroyed the city and needs to go asap
Two wrongs don't make a right!
@@roberthughes3904 Only one of those things is a “wrong” lol
Why is your brand of motorcycle relevant?
@@witnesspropro It was a quick way of differentiating between all the learner and delivery riders in the city as there were some other threads talking about differences between specific motorbike types/gears/behaviours etc
The point is with any sports bike you’re going to be stuck in first gear interacting with types of traffic that you could easily avoid if they limit was 30mph. It’s artificially creating unnecessary risk by increasing the interactions between vehicles that could easily avoid each other completely
Totally agree. My bike is a Triumph Rocket, which probably like your Ducati is highly geared which leaves you having to drive round town in 1st gear. It’s difficult stupid and irrelevant. You only have to look at all the comments on any post related to this to see how most people feel about it. And don’t even start me on the plague of fast food delivery scooters, the ever widening variety of illegal electric scooters, skateboards and mopeds, none of which have regulations enforced on them.
I live in Cornwall which is one of the poorest counties in the UK and these 20 MPH zones are popping up everywhere even on empty roads that used to be 30-40 MPH zones there are a few roads that are quite new that don't even have a limit posted and strangely the police gather on these roads with speed cameras the British public are clearly being tricked and I think it's disgusting and against the laws of the land itself.
Do these roads without limits posted have street lamps? If so the limit is 30 and there is no requirement to post signs
@@MickyWalnuts I didn't know that thanks Micky.
Just obey the law and stop whining
Motorways have street lights, so whats the speed limit on a motorway... it's all a scam to piss drivers off into giving up their right to freedom so the NAZI regime can start the 15 minute concentration camp agenda...@@MickyWalnuts
^^77 Brigade BOT ALERT^^@@robsurname4054
Such a well spoken and reasonable man. I just received my first "speeding" fine in 20 years for driving at a safe speed on a major double lane road where there are no pedestrians.
20 mph is only really possible with cruise control realistically. Otherwise it’s just a dangerous distraction, removing attention from the road.
Many cars don't have cruise control, and of those that do, many won't work reliably below 25mph...
Not possible at that low speed
Use speed limiter setting at 20 mph.
@@solentbum yes that’s really the only way realistically, although fiddling around with setting it up can be distracting.
Same nonsense banners that read, 30mph is the limit, not a target. When you consider that 30 mph is clearly marked on the speedometer, why would you distract yourself with a less clearly marked target under 30.
I recently got done doing 62 as I left a "temporary" 50mph speed limit on a motorway..........what grinds my gears is that the 'temporary' limit was in place to protect road workers from fast vehicles and I got done at 8pm on a Sunday !!!!! There was not a single worker in sight 🤬
Same but I didn't get one letter when it first happened but 4 months down the line I received 4 different letters in afew days back to back in the same place for the same thing .. I was driving to work I work nights by the way 10pm to 6am now im looking at 12 points and a fine
I got 4 points (just enough to tip me into a ban) for almost the exact same thing. I was doing ~55-60mph in a 40mph "temporary" speed limit on a dual carriageway for roadworks that at 3-4am (I was working nights at the time) were not there. It was an empty dual carriageway and the speed I was doing felt plenty slow enough considering the facts.
Judge was having none of it and as I said 4 points resulting in a ban and a large fine + a condescending telling off.
Yet, there are narrow, bumpy, blind, country farm roads with a 60mph limit that I wouldn't feel comfortable doing much more than 20mph on but in the eyes of the law the speed I got banned for on the dual carriageway would be perfectly fine and reasonable on that road - makes complete sense...
@@89me11 so, it's not worth fighting this and I should just take the points right ? I have read that the situation I am in doesn't matter regardless of there being no workers 😩
@@Jaybe-Ell They don't take kindly to speeding through roadworks at all. Aggravating factor that its someones place of work.
Obviously you're free to take advice on it, but if the offer is a fixed penalty 3 points and fine, one offence isn't a disaster.
@@Jaybe-Ell Can't give you any legal advice but if you're not facing a ban on totting up then you're probably best just taking the hit on the points & fine rather than wasting your time going to court.
BOYCOTT THE CAMERAS, WE THE PEOPLE NEVER VOTED FOR THIS. FIGHT THE POLITICIANS
Or just don't speed....
@@mrbeeoutdoors3213 I get not speeding, but reducing speed limits to 20mph will only make criminals out of everyone.
@@mandarkastronomonov2962 if you don't possess the ability to keep your speed below 20 when it's signposted then you should hand in your licence...
You can crawl in traffic right? You can manoeuvre in a driveway or car parks? The car is physically capable of a 20mph constant speed.... if you can't control it to that then you can't control your vehicle.
@@mrbeeoutdoors3213 it’s the control. They will take the cars next.
@@rainbowbeard38 ....pull your head out of your bottom, learn how not to speed and hey presto, *they* will have to think of another way to take control....
Driving is a privilege, not a right...
20mph means cars are closer together and engines are running less efficiently and pollution is worse.
Local councils are incompetent and should not be permitted to make laws like this.
You got the message then, don't drive and use public transport, I have bicycle
@@bern047 15 minute cities coming to your town shortly...After they are done confiscating your car, they will come after your bike next and after that your movement and after that the amount of oxygen you breathe. They wont stop unless you say ENOUGH !
@@bern047 I have a bicycle too and use it daily. But my riding a bike does not prevent slow moving vehicles from increasing levels of air pollution due to local council stupidity.
@@PharmaTroll We both are doing our bit, how do we gat the local councils to do theirs, I am not good at politics, enlighten me please
It's acceleration that wastes most fuel. Accelerating to only 20 will save you fuel. This is basic stuff. You'll reach the next queue in slightly longer time. Big deal.
we need a motorists party - like a union - there are millions of us and could easily unseat all the corrupt , self serving , MPs EASILY
Yes, because there are too few cars on the roads, and the drivers are far too considerate of other road users.
The councils won't claim its for safety, they will try and convince you its for emissions to discourage cars on the road.
> its for emissions to discourage cars on the road.
That's garbage: cars emit more per mile at 20mph than 30.
Yes if they cared about emissions they would be advocating a chinese econmoic embargo and an african immigration block, as well as pushing for EV battery development that doesnt wreck the planet for a substandard product.
Ken Jewell was correct, he said "The councils will TRY to convince you...." - but I do think the overall strategy is to discourage cars from the road. They started this campaign with the new rules around pedestrians and pedal cyclists.
@@peterthomas5792 I know its garbage. I am stating what Flintshire council are quoting. When the 20mph come into force in my area, they suddenly started putting up new speed cameras too.
@@peterthomas5792 "We want 75% less private car ownership" - Klaus Schwab, WEF.
How on earth did we manage to survive before the 20 mph speed limit??
We didn't raise a nation of halfwits before. We taught our children to take basic precautions near roads. Now we can't even teach them Maths or English. Kids are dumber, drivers have to be more careful as a result.
Or...and this is more likely, they are forcing us off the roads. Once we don't have our own transport we are once again under control.
Red flag in front of car carried by a human or AI walking in front of vehicle next.
Many didn't. They died. Most road deaths occur in 30mph zones. Reducing that to 20mph increases the chance of surviving and lessens injury. Now we need to work on cyclists, scooter riders and horse riders.
@@grahamcook9289 Can we have 10mph please that way all the traffic moves at the same speed and people can crash into each other without consequence
@@grahamcook9289 training drivers to drive and cyclist and pedestrians to actually take note of their surrounds beats artificially low speed limits any day.
If speed is the issue, then Every speeding ticket is a failure of policy.
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Do you honestly expect the public to abide by the laws with no consequences for breaking them?
@@jastat you miss the point. If the speed is the issue, then any speed infringement is a failure to slow a vehicle. Issuing a penalty does not suddenly negate the offence.
Therefore each speeding fine issued is a measure of failure. A few fines = system good. Lots of fines =system less good
@@jastat Some of us follow our own laws . Do you truly believe the vast majority are law abiding ?
Angry tailgaters will cause violence
Moral is ALWAYS GO TO COURT and in most cases it gets thrown out. I did this in Ontario, the copper tried to TRIPLE the added 'victim surcharge' just to spite me, and I WON. Paid nothing.
Khan has no clue what it’s like to drive 20mph. He has a driver who blitzes through the city with police escort every time he goes somewhere. What does he know?
Don't worry he won't have that forever. All his protection ect . And when that happens I sincerely hope that he meets karma harshly
Khan has made a personal fortune from this illegal program. Why hasn't his personal finances been investigated If they dig deep enough i will guarantee the will find enough to send him down for life. I would like to know how much his personal bodyguards cost and how are they funded plus the cost of top of the range and customised luxury range rovers at £300.000 a pop and there are at least Three of them.
That is no excuse - find him and fine him - he has no exemption and the law applies to him the same as it does to everyone else .
Sorry for you suffering.
I got done in an average speed check area in north wales. It was a dual carriage way that should have easily been a 70mph road. They had lowered it to 50mph, then one section went down as low as 40mph. It was around 3am and the only car on the road was me, along with 2 or 3 lorries. I slowed down to 40… the next thing I’ve got huge lorries up my arse, then overtaking me. I sped back up to keep up with them so I wasn’t getting boxed in - the next thing I got a ticket in the post for doing 46 in a 40 zone!! Absolutely no need whatsoever. 3 lanes open… no workmen out in the road. Pretty much no traffic. Then I had to sit through a lecturing speed awareness course, telling me what a naughty boy I had been… I did nothing wrong. Didn’t drive dangerously - the idiots putting out these ridiculously low speed limits are the ones who should be up in court
It's entrapment
" I did nothing wrong" This is where your logic crumbles.
@@patrikfloding7985 i think logic crumble at authorities level way before that
You should have contested it like I did and your case would have been thrown out by the CPS; an average speed means you can go under and above the limit given, there are no average speeds in the UK, we have fixed speeds, the average speed signs are not mentioned or shown in any UK law - they are illegal.
Youve already admitted you were speeding. Obey the law in future and stop spitting your dummy out
Well they have to find the money to pay and give to the reffuges
You aren’t helping the cause with that dribble
@@GWJUK Neither's the migrants.
@@mclovin583 to be fair if there were no migrants, 90% of the people complaining about them would still have a shit life
@@GWJUK How can you possibly know that he is dribbling???
Your comment is pure drivel.
@@PeteH0121 right so I don’t know but you do. Jesus. So maybe if you look at the post a bit closer you’ll be able to see what a shit job he is doing of avoiding being stereotyped
Its not just the 20 mph limits i would say they are reducing limits everywhere. Most of the time with no real reason. Its getting more and more ridiculous. I drove for twenty years with not one fine. Now I have to be constantly watching what I do.
If citizens use more fuel than the government makes more money,thru the tax fuel excise in Australia, I've seen many "improvements" for safety that slow travel while being constructed and end up downgrading the speed limit due to overuse
It gives the local burnout Boyz a good excuse to stuck in first gear wheel spinning😂great law
In France the reduction in speed limits have resulted in an explosion in fines yet accidents and deaths have actually increased
"When there's a good reason for it."
There IS a good reason, it's just not a reason the citizens want. It has nothing to do with the environment. The control system wants people OUT of their cars. 20 mph speed limits are just a small part of the larger agenda that is making it more and more frustrating to own and operate a vehicle.
That’s good point - they just hate drivers and want annoying u as much as possible
I don't know - I used to think that and to certain degree I still do, especially when I see these cunts pull out their "road closed" signs every fucking weekend but if no one drives, they loose revenue from speeding, congestion and ulez charge so I don't see why they'd want people to stop driving
Indeed. Along with all modern vehicles being fitted with laser beams for headlights/daytime running lights which make driving so unnecessarily challenging and have caused a good number of people to give up their cars.
@@timpedder6046A good number of people? Who is that then? The irony of powerful headlights making it easier to see at night… you must need an eye test.
Why would they want us out of our cars? It’s a massive revenue stream. People have no choice because trains/buses are so unreliable. Only the sheep that follow the conspiracy theories.
These are money making schemes. I did 24 on a 20 mph limit road that was empty with fields alongside. Had to do a £90 training course. Cameras are sited with revenue in mind. Been caught several times for the tiniest infringements £65 a pop if you don't appeal (or it's £130). Did an FOI request on one ticket and found that 1 camera had raised £781,000 in 8 months.
Yet our roads are covered in pot holes, so where is all the money going?!
How on earth is Khan still in power ? This little man is Inept !We need more Police !!!!!
He will always be voted in
Amazingly the concerns of people wishing to go any speed they like in their cars isn't the most important issue facing Londoners at this point in time. You may not believe it...
Because Londonistan is a minority British city and the majority will always vote for one of their own, unlike Brits.
20 miles speed limit across the city 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning is unrealistic.
My car constantly changes gears at 20, and usually to lower one burning more fuel. So creates more pollution in residential areas.... Brilliant thinking... not
If you understand that they do not want you to have a car then all the anti-car politics makes absolute sense.
"They' will have to learn that WE do not want THEM .
If you understand what is in your fantasyland as being real then there is no hope for you. Are you sure that you are fit to drive ?
20mph creates more pollution and makes driving more dangerous because your attention is more on the speedometer than on the road.
If you can't drive at 20 mph and keep an eye on the road you shouldn't have a driving license. My cat could do it.
@@guillaumeroderick1259 who are you? spiderman? So your tingling spider srenses can tell when you're doing 20
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No but his peripheral vision can.
This isn't true.
The more fuel you put into your vehicle the more revenue the Gov. milks out of you.
Also its a new industry for the legal business.......why an earth are they not chasing real criminals....the working classes are easy picking....well said Nick
If you vote Labour in, you might as well get rid of your cars.
The modern motor car is so Sophisticated you don't even realise you're doing over 30 when you think you're doing around 20 this is a Complete Madness and it should be stopped immediately and the person that fought this stupid idea up should be put in prison alongside Sadiq Khan
I've found that driving between 40-45 mph my average gas mileage is greater than driving lower speeds.
56mph is the optimum for mpg
Of course ; most road vehicles are engineered to deliver maximum economy at 56 mph .
At a constant speed, yes. Not if you have to start-stop, as in urban areas.
Khan has his own special speed limit of 60mph for his £500,000 armoured Range Rover.
And all of Wales has to put up with this from the end of the summer in spite of 90% of the electorate disagreeing with it!
Yep, just shows how much of a dictator dripford is. Spent billions turning a single carriageway (60mph) into miles of duel carriageway, then turned it to a 50mph with average speed cameras along the whole length of it
Road regulations have never been subject to populist views. They are made based on informed decisions.
as a london cab driver it is a nightmare get overtook by electric scooters and bicycles
Speed cameras are being introduced in smaller cities in Canada nowadays. It's clearly just for money. Ridiculous. Right light cameras are one thing but speed cameras are a laugh.
A colleague's husband had to do a "speed awareness" course with all the young boy racers. He's in his 60'S and was "caught" doing 24 mph.
I can't believe that's a sentence "caught doing 24 mph" so 6 mph under the limit then!
The instructor on my 20mph rehabilitation course (l got done for 24) told me he'd been done several times for being over the limit and that it wasn't possible to stay on 20 without keeping your eye off the road and pedestrians. Faceless government cash robbery.
@@lesleyokafo3611 This is driving in London now. You have to simultaneously navigate, watch the road signs, negotiate speed humps, check your mirrors, and keep your eye on your speedo. Not much left to actually watch the road ahead, and that's often what gets left out - it's too much.
The irony. At 24mph he was probably one of the safest drivers in Europe at that moment!
interestingly enough, probably more than half of clients in awareness courses are over 50. mostly 'old skool' drivers that get snagged by the machines. 33 in a 30. etc, I've done about 5 of them, motorway courses as well., run by some of the most 'punchable' idiots the law has produced. ...
There's absolutely no doubt these 20 limits are a revenue raiser, they are also a sign of the nanny state overreach that so deperately needs to end in this country. I drive to match the road conditions, the other day, I approached a parked car on a busy urban road, with people unloading and kids playing next to it, I didn't even look at my speed but you KNOW what is safe but I must have been doing 15-20, I don't look at my speedo every 2 minutes, I know I am driving safe, that's the difference between a good driver and the nanny state!
If every driver adhered to these 20 limits and their cash cow dried up they would just drop the limit even further. This is not about road safety, it's just a revenue generator.
ABSOLUTELY.
Most people don't drive like you. So this won't affect you in any way then.
One of the problems with the 20 mph zones, is that you spend more time looking at your speedo than at the road.
Before saying this, why don't you spend the next 10 trips trying to go at the 20 limit, and see how it goes? Perhaps you aren't as inept as you think you are?
@@patrikfloding7985 20mph on a main road is ludicrous - wise up!
Exactly - I'm a safe driver with no points or claims in my 12 years of driving (hope it stays that way), so I feel I'm in a good position to comment.
If speed limits are unnaturally low, they can actually be a hazard - they can cause unnecessary driver distraction, especially on urban streets - they can also cause rear-ending accidents on major roads due to abrupt speed transitions. It is high time for the authorities to get real - either that or they could eventually be delegitimized by the public!
people who are unable to control their speed when they have a fully working speedo should be medically assessed
@@robsurname4054 I have been driving for 49 years and have have never had a speeding ticket, so no I don't need to be medically assessed.
This is Labour policy so if you vote for Marxist Labour at the next election look forward to this. Best VOTE REFORM.
Next on the agenda, each vehicle must employ a man with a red flag to walk in front of.said vehicle, to warn others of the imminent danger! Sound familiar?
DONT LET THE LOCAL COUNCIL KEEP THE MONEY .SEND IT TO CENTRAL FUNDING TO SPEND ON ROADS ,THE INCENTIVE AND PROBLEM GONE
That will never happen
@@wellwhatthen10101 no but putting it out there as a warning would prove it is only about the money not the environment or the law
What ALL motorists need to do is drive no faster than 10-12 mph for a day or two in ALL built up areas throughout the nation. The congestion and exhaust fumes will be so decisive that police will be out telling drivers to 'put their foot down', to alleviate the traffic jams. But drivers should refuse to do so stating that low speeds are clearly what the government wants and that they're OBLIGED to follow the law!
It sounds like a great way to ensure that emergency vehicles are unnecessarily held up behind growing cues of drivers who are paying more attention to there speedometer than they are the road ahead and behind them.
Nah. It's easier to pull to the side and let them through if you are already only doing 20. Your argument falls flat.
not if your looking at your speedo rather than your rearview mirror.
I remember the days when children were taught to wait for a suitable gap in traffic before crossing the road, people riding children's toys weren't tacitly allowed to zip between pavement and either carriageway at will and national governments weren't following instructions from global government to make private vehicle ownership impracticle.
Good old days.
I think 25mph makes more sense than the blanket reduction to 20mph in many areas. Sure, 20mph where it is most needed, but you reduce its impact by trying to use it everywhere as people will be less likely to stick to it, and you can't have enforcement everywhere so ends up being less effective 🤷♂️
I have read that thanks to the C40 City Organisation and the WEF there is now a wish by many countries in the world to reduce/eliminate vehicular congestion on the roads. Private cars in particular are regarded as the cause so instead of banning them measures are being put in place to make private motoring an unattractive way of travelling. So there are very low speed limits all over the place, road humps, longer hold ups at traffic lights not to mention financial penalties for infringements. At the same time, the financial infringements also result in local authorities benefitting cash-wise. Look out for Road Charging per mile, it's in the pipeline to follow the ULEZ diversion.
One single holiday car journey, round Scotland say, might result in me losing a licence. Just a thought, always in my mind.
This is what happens when people don't understand the system they live in and vote in local elections to punish the gov they don't like in Westminster...
People pay absolutely no attention to what's going on in their local councils, and the current situation (along with 15 min cities, low emission nonsense etc.) has been coming on very slowly for many years.
Problem is there's NO alternative
Khanage needs removing from office
the zio love compliant tyrant khan
Anyone, and Everyone (no matter Who they are) who has, or does, drive a Motor Vehicle has Broken the Speed Limit....Everyone...without Question.
Even on my bicycle 20mph is slow at times. These days you look more on the speed gage rather than the roads! This has to change.
More made up stuff.
Yeah, I regularly overtake cars when using my bicycle.
my car cannot do 20 mph , its actually taxing my concentration trying to stick to it,
What car is it?
HIGHWAY Robbery is what it is, at least Dick Turpin had the decency to tell you he's robbing you!
Nothing is worse for my nerves than seeing the 'End' of the 20 mph zone and not realising I ever was in one!
Don't drive unless youve had enough sleep the night before. Not knowing what you are doing is a sign of high stress levels and impending mental health problems. Go and see your doctor, meanwhile don't drive until you have the all clear
Thanks Mr Name, Popping along to see your doctor is not really an option for many people nowadays. Like popping into your dentist. But then I'm highly stressed and probably in dubious health, mentally 🙂@@robsurname4054
When your government is out to fleece you with everything you do then it's time to get rid.
The Govt needs to be dissolved - we need a state / country of people of sovereign self governing anarchy. A real anarchy and not the false anarchy painted in Hollywood movies.
I was hit with a 28mph in 20mph paying £96 for a course it's bullshit. 12 years driving not one speeding ticket until now. We are all being targeted in our pockets I'm getting put off driving. I was hit by unmarked car with a speed gun.
There is no point other than control, aka 1984!
Education for a ridiculous law is equally ridiculous. None of this makes any sense - discussing it as though it makes ANY SENSE is also ridiculous!
I’m over 50 and have had around 15 speed penalties inflicted on me since I was 18, never actually had enough points for a ban. Yet I have never endangered, injured, damaged property or killed at any point in my 3-4 million miles of motoring. All that ‘accident prevention’ was a lie, they never prevented accidents by persecuting me repeatedly. My awareness of my surroundings did that job.
If you've driven 3-4 million miles you've seen PLENTY of reason why we need deterents for speeders. All I need to do is walk 100m to the end of my road to see why on a daily basis.
20mph causes congestion and pollution - and also raises ever more fines which are plain theft
That is BS I thought 40kmh in Aussie cities was bad, 32kmh is abysmal
In some european cities it's 20km/h
Goodbye UK, it was nice knowing you.
A GOOD IDEA MAY BE TO HAVE A PERSON WALK IN FRONT WITH A RED FLAG,THERE"S A NOVEL IDEA.....
Nothing to do with pollution or saving the planet. All to do with making us give up our cars. All part of keeping us in a 15m open prison. All part of not having a real govt. Just WEF EU WHO UN NWO puppets.
They will make us pay for a diverse person to walk in front of our cars waving a rainbow flag
I do not have any symphony for them. I regularly drive at 70mph on the motorways, the sheer number of cars who flash past me is ridiculous. If someone cannot keep their car to a stated speed limit, maybe the ability of the driver should be questioned?
Too trite and righteous by far. Goon tell us you NEVER break the speed limit.. Ability of the driver? Most of those that flash past you aren't doing it by accident. The kamikaze drivers are doing it because they reckon they'll get away with it (maybe they know that section of motorway and the camera locations), whilst the others are simply choosing to be at a comfortable cruising speed without taking too much risk of getting caught. You may or may not remember that north Wales once had a chief constable who was totally nuts about speeding. Even he noted that they didn't police the limit on the A55 hard at 70. Go over 80 and they'd nail you if they were around.
Things that inprove road safety are better driving standards and children being taught to be aware of traffic.
So how are they going to trace cyclists who break the 20 MPH limit? Or people on electric scooters? Fair's fair, if you are going to penalise the motorist, who know has to constant monitor his speedometer as well as watching for other cars, pedestrians, insurance scammers, and unmarked/marked police cars hiding away with their radar equipment, then you go after them as well. It's going to be far worse that someone using a phone.
Electric scooters are illegal, cyclists do not produce emissions and are much less likely to cause the damage that a car traveling at 30mph would do.
@@mclovin583 your points are completely irrelevant to the issues raised by the op, neither emissions or aggregate damage was mentioned. Try thinking before you respond. 🙄
@@mclovin583have you ever been hit by a cyclist or an e scooter. They can kill people.
@@AM-bn8xm In the distance a 20mph car can stop, a 30mph car will still be doing 24mph. From the international evidence base, it can be concluded, on average, a person is around five times more likely to be killed when hit by a vehicle travelling at around 30mph than they are from a vehicle travelling around 20mph.
@@jonwyatt3694 I'm pretty sure a car hitting you at 30mph would do some 'damage'. Try thinking before YOU respond.
Vote these councils out of power.
. Nobody bothers. This is the only time I admire the French as they know how to riot and show the government when they are pissed.
To try and keep to 20mph, I have to drive in a low gear. The engine running faster is emmiting more fumes. This is just to get people out of their cars.
From your description it seems you don't know how to drive? Also, higher revs with lower amounts of fuel injected doesn't result in more fumes. You don't understand how the engine and transmission actually works.
@@patrikfloding7985 Since the new limit in wales i have lost two days fuel every two weeks so i think he does know what he is talking about
Also I have two vehicles, neither of which can operate in cruise control below 30 mph. It’s a cash cow clear and simple. I have also amassed so many points now, I am constantly looking at my clocks, so much so I feel totally distracted from the road. It’s more dangerous by far.
I went to a speed awareness thing. There was one person talking and there were about 50 people there . All paying about £100 . So that's an easy £5 k in the governments pocket.
Highway Robbery, Stand and deliver.
@deryckevans887
Your money or your life !