for me, its simple. if you want to broadcast over the air waves that belong to the Public, then you may not use encryption. If that means you can't make an honest living and a profit for your investors, then find a new business to take up your time.
The FCC sat on the sidelines waiting for the industry to work it out. FCC knew broadcasters would pay more for spectrum if they were in the drivers seat. Meanwhile, the revolving door between FCC the private sector ensures FCC appointees will get compensation on the back end.
@@ElvisImpersonator guess it's time to vote in consumer friendly congress people, right? Or am I misreading this? The FCC needs to have less business-friendly people on it and that way they can force the issue, though the courts are saying these departments don't get to do things because congress didn't give them that authority specifically. Time to get rid of a business friendly congress and get one that actually looks out for the people.
That's not right some of us only have cell phones for internet, and no phone plans have that big of a hotspot plan. I'm on a very tight budget and can't afford a satellite internet plan.
This should have been a simple and FREE transition to higher quality on ATSC 3.0. They would already benefit from targeted ads and thats all they should gain.
We don't even need ATSC 3.0 for higher quality, as it's been proven with a channel on the air being K03IM-D EUGENE, OR doing 4 4K streams, 2 1080p Streams, and 8 720p Streams all at the same time on a single ATSC 1.0 RF channel with higher codec quality, and most current TV's can decode the Streams with little issue. Antenna Man has videos on the topic discussing it with the station owner, and an unlisted video showing off the station being broadcast live. The big boys just don't want to do it because the want control of OTA TV, and ATSC 1.0 doesn't give it too them nearly as much!!
There's two sub-channels I can get out of longisland that appear to be useing the AVC codec. One is a shopping channel and one is just a placeholder for now. WFTY CH 67.6 & 67.7
I’m enjoying the Olympics on NBC via OTA broadcast with my 4th gen Tablo device. I can leave my TV room and watch on my iPad while preparing dinner. I wish Tablo had an App for my Quest VR headset. Lon, keep fighting the good fight.
Thanks for tirelessly covering this tired topic. I'm still riding my Recast into the sunset because I'm not ready to invest in the future if their future itself is not ready. Or clear. You'd think the networks themselves would realize they're losing viewership in droves by making the affordable avenue inaccessible. "Cutting the cord" is gonna quickly spread to "cancelling subscriptions" too as the economic situations keeps slowly draining wallets at every turn. They'd be wise to re-embrace OTA as a way to keep leaving eyes on their networks. But that'd require not being short-sighted. ATSC 3.0 could be a boon for business and instead they keep chopping at its ankles.
I'm in Australia. Our TV industry has a lot in common with UK and European TV services. However, many of the businesses in the entertainment industry here tend to copy American businesses, so I'm keeping a close eye on this rubbish.
I bought a new Samsung TV with a next gen tuner in it. I did a channel scan in Pelham NH an stored about 8 next gen channels. But to my surprise with no internet connection and only an antenna I get a message on the screen this channel is not available. So how can this TV ever be used in a rural area. Of course I still receive 44 ATSC 1.0 channels with only the antenna.
I've been watching T2 on the Roku Channel for the last six months. It's a live channel (so cheap to create), contains tennis coverage not shown on parents Tennis Channel or TC+ (with tons of foreign coverage) & is ad supported but with few ads (makes you wonder how long it'll be around?). This, in combination with ABC & NBC network coverage, provides good free coverage of the grand slams etc. Glad to have it.
I am using an HD Homerun attached through my Plex server I can use that to watch my over the air tv outside of my home. Though at the moment ATSC3 in not available in the Cleveland market.
I'm taking advantage of atsc 1.0 for as long as I can. With channels dvr and hdhomerun I'm recording whatever I find interesting like MeTV toons for example with classic cartoons so I got something to watch along with my pyshical media collection so I can watch my own stuff my way once this transition goes down
Businesses are the real pirates when a paid digital movie can taken away because that company doesn't have rights to it anymore. Piracy is just a reaction to the completely F'ed up business practices & lack of consumer protection.
I saw that video too. I wished the interviewer had pressed the A3SA person more about DRM. Glossed over the fact the Emergency Alert System won't work at all with DRM.
@@n8chz I can think of torando situations where even though I have a great antenna, it's possible debris could temporarily block the signal and screw up the DRM handshake.
Bizarre streaming from the internet for over the air. Are they taking up a channel for this? Airwaves are precious and if they aren’t being good stewards than someone needs to step in. They’ve broken the trust and promises made with the big “digital switch”. Saying it again: No DRM has ever prevented piracy to any degree. Theses moves are more likely to push people into discovering these grey market alternatives.
If you want to raise awareness about OTA TV more generally, a good idea might be to do a presentation at a local community center, since they tend to serve lower-income residents who would benefit from knowing about it.
Dillian’s interview was great. He pressed the person on the fact that the young generation isn’t going to want some dongle hanging from their phone that sometimes receives TV. Several years ago, I could stream live or DVR’ed TV from my antenna and dish connected to my Dish 722K receiver with a OTA module and Sling add on. And you could do it from anywhere; not just your home like the current gateways provide. That was perfect because I get the TV I pay for and the TV I get OTA for free from anywhere in one app. BTW, I don’t pay retransmission fees because Dish allows you to drop locals. Dish no longer supports that on my old receiver (not sure if the newer receivers can do that or not).
2027? I don't think so.....If ever....Few viewers have access to 3.0. The average consumer will not be using it in the form it is now. I do not think 1.0 is going anywhere for a long time. Does the TV station want to lose the viewers they have? The only answer is to offer OTA TV via streaming for free....If OTA TV goes away, I have a lot options, as several of our OTA TV stations run their local news, etc via streaming now.
As a proud card carrying member of the super super super sub minority, the big issue is most of us who are in the sub minority aren't keeping up with the transition news, so the vast majority won't know its happening until it happens. :( and at that point it may be too late. Plus while I don't agree with a subscription model for OTA gateway viewing in our homes, if we are forced into it, I think many people would simply pay if/when that becomes reality. Look at the cord cutters who ditched cable only to subscribe/pay for 3-6+ streaming services. At the end of the day, paying similar monthly charges to cable. :(
As disappointed as I am that T2 is not in fact a 24-Hour Terminator 2 Marathon (I'd watch), I'm enamored of a channel devoted to tennis, as well. I know Mr Arland is in a position where he has to advocate for ATSC 3.0, but I am not enamored of his approach. I'm glad you had a more respectful dialogue with him in writing. "Super, super, super sub-minority." I wonder if he's conscious of what an insulting thing that was to say to a fellow human interviewing him. He should also politely assume that his opposition knows how to spell. S-P-E-L-L. I was not expecting such a condescending tone from someone essentially trying to sell ATSC 3 to ... everyone. Nothing in ATSC 3 is going to stop piracy. Every encrypted/copy-protected electronic content delivery system since the original NES' cartridge authentication chip (and probably before that) has been in due time by pirates, while law-abiding citizens are just incovenienced by ineffective "anti-piracy" measures. If they're going to argue the piracy argument, they need to release numbers. How much money are they actually losing? The software industry had no trouble releasing those metrics in the 1980s and 1990s during their anti-piracy compaigns. Y'know, I think this means we're winning (or at least not losing ... yet). They don't have any slam-dunk arguments to give consumers to convince them they need or should want ATSC3 in exchange for giving up unencrypted, do-whatever-you-want-with-it-once-you've-got-it-as-long-as-it's-legal ATSC 1. If we were truly as negligible a group as he alleges, he'd not have to run around giving these sorts of interviews. They've resorted to a charmed-up ad hominem argument. "only nerds want this, and not even all nerds; the ones the other nerds make fun of." It feels like high school. Consumers want this, too. They're not activated because the vast majority of them aren't watching channels like Lon.TV and the Antenna Man on TH-cam and have no idea what the industry is trying to do. Network and cable news aren't covering this (likely due, at least in part, to being owned by entities that want ATSC 3.0). The interview clips you've played even sound like the typical PAC commercial where some aggressively-authoritative-but-immediately-forgettable Person of Authority proceeds to rebut the opposition's argument only after failing to acknowledge all the actual crucial details of that argument. I was born in 1984. I remember VCRs, and TiVos and everything else. Nothing ATSC 3.0's advocacy group is promising us now is anywhere close to the time-shifting rights the Supreme Court guaranteed us before I could walk.
The DRM encryption & the industry’s arguments regarding piracy or claiming the those using gateway options are a minority issue them shooting themselves in the foot. With FAST & premium streaming services broadcasting on TVs & potable devices, consumers are used to take their TV experience wherever they go. Particularly young people are not going to flock to a TV and watch linear television. If the rollout doesn’t include gateway hardware that allows to stream tv everywhere, consumers will watch even less broadcast tv and more streaming, free and premium.
Sony TV built in ATSC 3 tuners bring in T2 on the local Sinclair affiliate 30.10 with no problem. In fact, the 1080p picture on T2 is much BETTER than the 720p ABC broadcast over the air on the main 30.1 channel. Meanwhile the HDhomerun network tuners do NOT get that T2 channel as of early August 2024.
These industry folks keep saying they want DRM "because security." I'm still waiting to hear what exactly it is they feel the need to protect, considering that they are broadcasting publicly available information.
In addition, most of the shows that seem to be popular are on streaming services. It has been years since I had a discussion with someone regarding a show on an over-the-air broadcast channel, with the exception of PBS.
DRM and encryption appear to be just a way to hamstring the system so that people have to stay with cable. Remember they get fees from the cable company but not from the OTA part.
@@kensmith5694 Of course, but what's odd is they aren't even bothering to put out a plausible b.s. reason. They just throw the word "security" out there and think that's enough that we'll all respond like Congress did to Peter Griffin. th-cam.com/video/xx3pXLoq58k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fcKY_QMznER_6Hvu&t=21
On your ATSC 3 Streaming Channels question, I live in the Cincinnati-Dayton Ohio broadcast market and I should be able to get T2 from both cities and I do not get it from either. I have 3 HDHome Runs so I don't know if they can't turn it in.
I watch OTA content in Canada for 30 mins a day, the 6 PM local news. I have 1 TV. This weekend it was a long weekend here in most of Canada. That meant that there was no local news at 6PM on one of the national networks. That is because they axed weekend & holiday local news coverage. Instead, they showed 2+ hours of a 20 yr old comedy series instead. I am glad I axed cable TV over 4 years ago.
I miss being able to watch free live over the air tv during the era of analog tv while connecting the tv with an antenna. There was no drm and encryption crap like how it is now. I rather go back to watching analog tv with an antenna like it used to be than have any drm and encryption. As least the consumers had more choices and not locked down since there was no drm and no encryption to worry about when watching free over the air live tv. I wish there was an option for implementing the useful features that came with using analog tv and having no restrictions at all in the digital era like it was during the analog era. For example, have the digital era be very similar to the analog era with the freedom of choices like it used to be. I hope that kodi will gain more popularity due to crap like drm and encryption. Drm and encryption is a glorified ala carte form of subscription service. It's gonna get to the point that all manufacturers will end up selling nothing but snake oil products and services like a snake oil sales man. I don't want to be the person that says I told you so but it seems like it's going to be in that direction.
So why don't most or all OTA channels stream 24\7? In the Seattle area ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox have 24\7 streaming local news, most newscast replays. I am guessing it has to do with the $$$ generated contracts with cable\streaming providers.
"Super, super, super sub" is nonsensical. It is like calling people a "big, big, big small" or a "pro, pro, pro anti" group. TV broadcasters are facing similar disruptions that technology has brought to other industries. They have a cash cow which they see slipping away from them, and they are trying to do everything they can to keep their cash cow. But draconian measures rarely ever work. I for one will not be switching to ATSC 3 unless I can watch it like I currently watch ATSC 1 programs. No sign-in. No Internet connection. No spying on me.
Good luck that requires cracking widevine l1. Though pirates have cracked it for years with rooted android devices but theres no possible way to root the external boxes at this time.
DRM has never hindered piracy, just consumers. Blu Ray disk DRM proved that. That is the answer to why it isn't given much attention. The goal IS really to attempt to push people to subscription services. Piracy is just how they are trying to justify it. Everyone in the industry knows that pirates will overcome or work around DRM quickly, but legitimate consumers will pay higher prices for restricted use equipment, with extra complexity and glitchy reliability for as long as the standard exists. This will frustrate most consumers enough to move them to pay services. Only the more tech minded people will be able to navigate somewhat through it, but as we now know we are a Super, Super, Super, sub minority.
I was interested in it. Sounded like decent technology. But then they ruined it. Honestly by the time they get it ready for prime time. Atcs 50.5 no one will care. It already requires an internet connection to update the drm. So it might as well just be streaming. I'll stick with my 1080p over the air. It just works. I can record what i want and keep it as long as i want.
So I guess the message basically is that in 2027, my TV goes out to the curb. My TV is never going to be connected to the internet. If I am going to stream, where the TV is, I will just set up a computer to do it.
@@writerpatrick It is getting hard to source the coal it burns and the boiler may need work soon. It is an analog CRT based TV that I have a converter box connected to.
I'm in that situation today since my TV/DVR just broke. I figured I'd buy myself a TV Tuner and just watch it off my PC, especially when watching a video of how the software to do it works. Only to then see that all the channels I'd want to watch are already encrypted and not supported in ATSC 3. I'll just stream the few shows I really care about, and they'll lose out on a ton of ad revenue from me.
@@shadowninja6689 Yes, sadly, it looks like the DRM nonsense is taking away the over the air TV effectively. Where I am it seems that the stations I care about haven't yet caught the disease. The infection seems to be spreading east to west across the nation. At some point my video about TV antennas won't matter because of that.
Television is in its twilight years. It may have only about 15 years left. I should know. I am in Canada and we already have one of our national television network owners, Corus Entertainment, poised to enter bankruptcy.
Wait, does he think that the DRM is not broken, or that people retransmitting don't know how to bypass it? Any semi-savvy user knows how to break widevine and hdcp.
I've posted before, we have always used an antenna for TV so I was excited about ATSC 3.0 technical improvements. However the DRM debacle has soured me on the technology. I agree that for profit piracy is a problem but that seems to be pretty easy to prevent by using existing copyright regulations. As Lon mentioned OTA viewers are collateral damage as far as TV stations are concerned.
I'm in Columbus, OH which apparently has T2 available according to Rabbit Ears, but when I scanned for it in my HDHR Connect 4k (their first ATSC3 tuner before the Flex 4k), that channel isn't available.
The HDHR-4K doesn't have the capability to receive internet streaming channels by URLs sent over ATSC 3.0 broadcasts yet. But SiliconDust said they will add the feature if enough of their customers request it last I heard.
The day they encrypt TV....it is time to go back to DVDs and Blu Ray's.... they are doing the same that they did with satellite TV....no way we going to continue to pay for TV...it is time to use UHF for these channels... like they should of in the beginning....If they did things right..... there would not be pirates.. .😮.. .whey should you have to pay for local TV or TV in general.... better to buy the DVD
Yes, but the law and the courts took care of those issues. That does mean that they should control where consumers can watch. Or whether in can be record in the home.
When will the government ship out the new ASTC 3.0 to ASTC 1.0 converters so everyone can watch OTA TV like they did when everything went digital ? I will be waiting to order one on FCC dime.
@@ElvisImpersonator Yes, and my TV goes out the the curb when that happens. I can put a computer monitor where my TV is and play videos from a PC I might want to watch.
@@kensmith5694 There is no need to dispose of your TV. You may just connect your computer to your TV in order to use your TV as a large computer monitor.
We have the streaming channels in the UK and they're all a waste of space. The danger is the OTA channel guide gets filled up with junk channels and makes it more difficult to find anything good.
Fox 5 in las Vegas is streaming online, but it's also encrypted. Zapper box finally got the channel working correctly last month. NBC should have put the live Olympics as atsc 3 streaming channels.
Comcast/NBC would NEVER do that since they want folks to subscribe to Peacock TV to access the alternate feeds or purchase cable to watch USA Network and CNBC.
Gonna admit my testbed jellyfin setup is super janky and only has about a hundred items in the catalogue, but it's hyper convenient to just.... any screen 'boom. there you go' Give me my TV that way too. It's all digital no need for a dedicated tv box. put the reciver on my home network and let me tv with whateveri want.
Ya, it’s not the super super super minority…maybe those that signed up, but not the people that share the same opinion. It’s just a regular minority, with the majority be ping uninformed. Many of the OTA consumers are rural and they have a larger antenna and feed it to all the TVs in their house.
My FCC comment: I strongly oppose allowing DRM in ATSC 3.0 transmissions. The Supreme Court of the United States ruled in Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984), also known as the "Betamax case", that the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use. Access to the airwaves is granted to broadcasters in the interest of them performing a public service. The addition of digital rights management technology (DRM) and its associated encryption does not serve this purpose. The ability to freely view and record broadcast content on the devices of our choosing (within technical limitations) needs to be retained. For the above two reasons, I most strenuously OPPOSE the inclusion of encryption and DRM technology in any and all broadcast media, to include ATSC 3.0, a/k/a "Next-Generation Television." In closing, I wished to point out that DRM encryption of ATSC 3.0 is in opposition of broadcasting in ATSC 3.0 in the first place now versus ATSC 1.0 due to the fact that general public will not be able to realize "higher audio and video quality, improved compression efficiency, robust transmission for reception on both fixed and mobile devices, and more accessibility, personalization and interactivity." Sincerely, SMSGT Keneth W. JOnes (U.S.A.F) P.S. I recently purchased a Hisense U8N (65U8N) on July 16, 2024 due to the fact it possessed an ATSC 3.0 TV tuner for "Next Generation," and I just discovered that the ATSC 3.0 major selling point for this TV of being able to view Free OTA ATSC 3.0 channels in 4K with dolby digital audio was false advertising. The general public was "once again" not served by our government institutions.
If it’s to stop pirates, does he really think those people won’t just intercept the signal and strip all encryption (e.g. with something like an HDMI splitter coming out of an Android streaming box)? I want to record shows/sporting events for permanent, unencrypted, storage on my NAS, which is the modern day equivalent of using a VCR.
I feel like the streaming channels OTA are a big gotcha. Why? Some ISPs have data caps, then charges the customer more money if they go over those data caps. Not everyone has data caps, but some do, and its gonna be one of those gotcha moments in "free" television.
It seems recording a TV program becoming very complex. I miss the days when the most difficult aspect in recording (time shifting) with a VHS machine is setting the correct time on the machine. I think all this is moot because almost all content on OTA is not worth watching. As Tyler the Antenna Man points out, gen Z and millennials have no idea of OTA TV because they already have other means and TV stations don't outreach.
@@wrightmf Pre-2000 millenials know about OTA becuase we were still kids watching our parents antenna 📺 📺. Many of those old dinosaur tvs are sitting in storage or scraped in a landfill now. It's mainly people born after 2000 or maybe 2010 that have little knowledge about how TV was mainly consumed over the air not that long ago.
I am part of Generation X, and beyond shows that have been in existence for decades, such as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even tell you the names of any current shows that are on over-the-air television.
The industry is not listening. Only citizens lobbying the FCC will make things change. That industry talking head doesn’t get it. Piracy thrives when people have no options and choices.
Money, pure and simple; extract every single dollar possible from the consumer. Not a lot of new (or good) stuff to watch on OTA TV, but its still good for live news broadcasts. From what I know about its oepration ATSC 3 could provide some pay-per-view channels (subchannels) for special events along with the regular free channels, but with the minimal amount of stuff on OTA TV right now under ATSC 1 its surprising the big broadcasters don't drop their licenses and go 'all-in' on streaming if they want to block out ATSC 3 entirely.
A buddy of mine who’s an engineer at SoFla PBS was proposing that URL-based “broadcasting “ mechanism over two years ago, since it’s been baked into the ATSC3.0 standard since day 1. They were also pioneers of “data casting” even before ATSC3.0, which this is a permutation of.
The Super, Super, SUPER minority are the ones with an ATSC 3.0 tuner/device at all. If the ones with one are objecting to the way DRM is being instituted, THEY KNOW what they are talking about.
This is a typical example of gaslighting. They figure if they can say the lie often enough, people like us who use gateway devices will become demoralized and believe that we are an insignificant minority. If the broadcasters keep up this campaign against us, they may find themselves out of business. I, for one, will be happy to see that happen - but I would be happier to see the airwaves become freer again. Take care and God Bless.
ATSC3 is dead on arrival... if its just going to stream over the internet on a very expensive box, its no different than a roku other similar device (that costs much much less) that just needs a wifi connection... when my ATSC 1.0 tuner doesnt pick anything up anymore i will just watch TV (a free service like pluto) on whatever version of still-supported 'roku express' i happen to have at the time.. and with NOAA S.A.M.E. for automatic weather alerts also being very affordable, i would resort to that instead, since the internet isn't going to be working to get the encryption key when the TV is being powered by batteries...
Imo, gen z/a arent going to care for ota tv. For me, let them encrypt all they want, nothing on but tv ads and sped up reruns to run more ads. Almost everything is on yt.
Garbage once in a while they will play laurace well and I will watch but for the most part PBS is garbage not the PBS I grew up with. 73@@kensmith5694
I suspect until more actual 4k content is broadcast, the sales of atsc 3.0 tuners will be relatively slow. Sort of chicken-and-egg situation - until there is more 4k content, not a ton of 4k tuner boxes will be bought, and broadcasters won't do true 4k content over the air, citing like of 4k tuners/TVs.
@@LonSeidmanplease also drive the point that people without home internet will be affected by this. Some of us only have a cellphone for internet and 10 gb of hotspot is gone after streaming 1 4k movie. So watching TV on cellphone internet is a no go. OTA television should not have to be connected to the internet.
Marathon antenna 59 channels every day 93 on clear days southwest mo no phone no internet required.Would like 3.0 atsc tv when they go done doen less than 400 dollars.
They can keep the ATSC 3.0 garbage. I will not watch it. I've got my shows and movies that I like on DVD and Blu-ray, without the garbage ads and commercials!! I think it enough people don't buy into the ATSC 3.0 garbage, they'll belly up on the deal. My two cents worth..
I dropped all plans to buy ATSC3. When 1.0 goes off air the coax is getting cut. It's done. It's over. Nielsen can keep mailing dollar bills, OTA is over.
Broadcasters are just trying to backdoor lock-in with all this foolishness. It doesn’t surprise me that they are trying marginalize all of us who want to do this.
this mans lucky he s able to be outside with his antenna set multiple antenna s tried bridgeport ct market nyc 60 miles away way to glitchy filters wont work at my end.. disconected my antenna back in the closet dont care about tennis 2 dah...
I seems like most Millennials and younger don’t even know that OTA is a thing. I’ve heard some Yoots say it was piracy because people weren’t paying a subscription for it.
The over-the-air broadcasters are clueless. Many young people do not even watch over-the-air TV, but stream both premium and free content. In addition, the broadcasters are not just competing with Disney+, Netflix, and Hulu, but with TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, and TH-cam for attention. Furthermore, even many older people are abandoning the networks and going with Pluto TV, Tubi, and Roku. The broadcasters should not only stop their encryption nonsense, they should be streaming their content, for free, online. Moreover, they should be advertising their content and their very existence via advertising everywhere. It seems that the broadcasters are doing everything in their power to make themselves irrelevant. Beyond such long-running shows as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even provide you with the names of any shows currently on the broadcast networks. I am part of Generation X, and most Millennials, Gen Z, and Generation Alphas are probably not currently interested in broadcast TV. Therefore, the broadcast executives, who are being paid the big bucks, should be doing everything in their power to increase their audience, not reduce it.
I watch over the air TV. I think there are others like me. I watch something I like and relax before bed and that is about all. Stepping away from the PC is part of the move towards sleep.
@@kensmith5694 Yes, there are certainly people who watch over-the-air TV. However, as a percentage of the American population, this has probably decreased in the last two decades or so. Even discounting social media, many people who watch television stream content from Roku, Pluto TV, and the like. My argument is that the broadcast networks should be making efforts to make their content readily available, including streaming on Roku, Pluto TV, etc. The broadcasters should be meeting viewers where they are, not trying to make their programming more difficult to watch. Most ad-supported electronic media, such as radio stations, podcasts, TH-cam, Roku, Pluto TV, Facebook, Instagram, and X (Twitter), try to do everything to make their content easily accessible. However, it seems that the broadcast networks are doing the opposite. What type of business wants fewer customers?!
Speculating, broadcasters want the same level of control of their OTA signal equivalent to free streaming providers such as Pluto TV, which block the skipping of ads. They likely have no objection having programs recorded just as long as viewers can't FF past the commercials. Aside from avid TV enthesis, I wonder does the average viewer really skip commercials. Most friends\family have a DVR and rarely use it, and when they do record a show, they tend to watch the commercials.
Many people will not pay for ATSC 3.If others are abandoning cable,why would they connect themselves to another subscription. Piracy will always exist,even if it is done with a camera and a HD screen. I ma sure the technical savvy pirate can do a bang up job of reproduction if the content is in demand.
I agree but only if there is something worth the bother. Many many years ago there were some "encrypted" over the air channels in the UHF band that were done with an analog method. I got curious and built a descrambler to be able to watch the movies. It took me about 3 weekends to get it working. I watch it about 3 times and then put it on a shelf.
Is there anything worth pirating from over-the-air television? With the exception of decades-old shows such as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even tell you the names of current shows on the major networks.
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Three or four years ago atsc 3.0 seemed like it could be really cool, but at this point it's kind of a joke.
for me, its simple. if you want to broadcast over the air waves that belong to the Public, then you may not use encryption. If that means you can't make an honest living and a profit for your investors, then find a new business to take up your time.
The FCC sat on the sidelines waiting for the industry to work it out. FCC knew broadcasters would pay more for spectrum if they were in the drivers seat. Meanwhile, the revolving door between FCC the private sector ensures FCC appointees will get compensation on the back end.
@@ElvisImpersonator guess it's time to vote in consumer friendly congress people, right? Or am I misreading this? The FCC needs to have less business-friendly people on it and that way they can force the issue, though the courts are saying these departments don't get to do things because congress didn't give them that authority specifically. Time to get rid of a business friendly congress and get one that actually looks out for the people.
@@beerdedvillain All the candidates on your ballot are bought and paid for. Sorry.
The DRM sure has done a terrific job stopping piracy for streaming services like Netflix. /sarcasm
Those who are in the “business of piracy” are not going to be stopped by DRM, they’ll find a million other ways to get content….
That's not right some of us only have cell phones for internet, and no phone plans have that big of a hotspot plan. I'm on a very tight budget and can't afford a satellite internet plan.
This should have been a simple and FREE transition to higher quality on ATSC 3.0. They would already benefit from targeted ads and thats all they should gain.
We don't even need ATSC 3.0 for higher quality, as it's been proven with a channel on the air being K03IM-D EUGENE, OR doing 4 4K streams, 2 1080p Streams, and 8 720p Streams all at the same time on a single ATSC 1.0 RF channel with higher codec quality, and most current TV's can decode the Streams with little issue. Antenna Man has videos on the topic discussing it with the station owner, and an unlisted video showing off the station being broadcast live. The big boys just don't want to do it because the want control of OTA TV, and ATSC 1.0 doesn't give it too them nearly as much!!
There's two sub-channels I can get out of longisland that appear to be useing the AVC codec. One is a shopping channel and one is just a placeholder for now. WFTY CH 67.6 & 67.7
@@CommodoreFan64 ATSC stations rarely even broadcasts at full HD.
@@writerpatrick No joke, I'm just saying higher bitrate 4K can be done on ATSC 1.0 without the need for ATSC 3.0.
I’m enjoying the Olympics on NBC via OTA broadcast with my 4th gen Tablo device. I can leave my TV room and watch on my iPad while preparing dinner. I wish Tablo had an App for my Quest VR headset. Lon, keep fighting the good fight.
OTA with encryption may as well be paid streaming a la Netflix, Hulu, Paramount, etc...
Thanks for tirelessly covering this tired topic. I'm still riding my Recast into the sunset because I'm not ready to invest in the future if their future itself is not ready. Or clear. You'd think the networks themselves would realize they're losing viewership in droves by making the affordable avenue inaccessible. "Cutting the cord" is gonna quickly spread to "cancelling subscriptions" too as the economic situations keeps slowly draining wallets at every turn. They'd be wise to re-embrace OTA as a way to keep leaving eyes on their networks. But that'd require not being short-sighted. ATSC 3.0 could be a boon for business and instead they keep chopping at its ankles.
I'm in Australia. Our TV industry has a lot in common with UK and European TV services. However, many of the businesses in the entertainment industry here tend to copy American businesses, so I'm keeping a close eye on this rubbish.
I bought a new Samsung TV with a next gen tuner in it. I did a channel scan in Pelham NH an stored about 8 next gen channels. But to my surprise with no internet connection and only an antenna I get a message on the screen this channel is not available. So how can this TV ever be used in a rural area. Of course I still receive 44 ATSC 1.0 channels with only the antenna.
It *IS* a ripoff and clearly they don't care.
@@kensmith5694 yup either no tv and people go satelitte package or retrans through streaming, they win either way.
Same here, atsc 3.0 is so dumb, if I have internet, I'll just stream, having internet to watch Ota TV is the dumbest thing I ever heard of 😂😂😂
@@tvtech2582 they don't care, abusing the airwave license for more profit and FCC enables it
I have internet and watch OTA TV. I understand it's frustrating to have to but I would think most people do have internet.
I've been watching T2 on the Roku Channel for the last six months. It's a live channel (so cheap to create), contains tennis coverage not shown on parents Tennis Channel or TC+ (with tons of foreign coverage) & is ad supported but with few ads (makes you wonder how long it'll be around?). This, in combination with ABC & NBC network coverage, provides good free coverage of the grand slams etc. Glad to have it.
I am using an HD Homerun attached through my Plex server I can use that to watch my over the air tv outside of my home. Though at the moment ATSC3 in not available in the Cleveland market.
I'm taking advantage of atsc 1.0 for as long as I can. With channels dvr and hdhomerun I'm recording whatever I find interesting like MeTV toons for example with classic cartoons so I got something to watch along with my pyshical media collection so I can watch my own stuff my way once this transition goes down
Yes, I have two 1T Byte USB hard drives with a lot of recorded stuff on them. Usefully, I can play the videos on a computer too.
Yes now is the time of hoarding. But not piracy. Piracy is unethical.
Businesses are the real pirates when a paid digital movie can taken away because that company doesn't have rights to it anymore.
Piracy is just a reaction to the completely F'ed up business practices & lack of consumer protection.
I look forward to buying a t-shirt with that phrase on it ;) Keep up the good fight!
I saw that video too. I wished the interviewer had pressed the A3SA person more about DRM. Glossed over the fact the Emergency Alert System won't work at all with DRM.
@@dpt17 this is SO basic that I don’t understand how they think it WOULD work.
@dbenedict357 the people making decisions are not users of their own product nor understand technology let alone circuits
I love the idea of a DRM locked emergency bulletin, that's even more ingenious than a private fire department.
@@n8chz I can think of torando situations where even though I have a great antenna, it's possible debris could temporarily block the signal and screw up the DRM handshake.
This isn't true. The alerts are not encrypted. The media content is encrypted.
I don't even have an iron in this fire as i don't watch TV and i'm not from the USA but i did just want to say, You're the best, Lon.
Bizarre streaming from the internet for over the air. Are they taking up a channel for this?
Airwaves are precious and if they aren’t being good stewards than someone needs to step in. They’ve broken the trust and promises made with the big “digital switch”.
Saying it again: No DRM has ever prevented piracy to any degree. Theses moves are more likely to push people into discovering these grey market alternatives.
If you want to raise awareness about OTA TV more generally, a good idea might be to do a presentation at a local community center, since they tend to serve lower-income residents who would benefit from knowing about it.
There should be a must carry law for over the air. Not internet tv. An antenna and thats all. One way communication period. 73
There is currently one box that can decode encryption without Internet connection too.
I haven't watched "TV" for over two years now. And the way this is all going, I can spend the rest of my life never watching "TV" again.
Dillian’s interview was great. He pressed the person on the fact that the young generation isn’t going to want some dongle hanging from their phone that sometimes receives TV. Several years ago, I could stream live or DVR’ed TV from my antenna and dish connected to my Dish 722K receiver with a OTA module and Sling add on. And you could do it from anywhere; not just your home like the current gateways provide. That was perfect because I get the TV I pay for and the TV I get OTA for free from anywhere in one app. BTW, I don’t pay retransmission fees because Dish allows you to drop locals. Dish no longer supports that on my old receiver (not sure if the newer receivers can do that or not).
Count me in as a HDhomerun, Emby and Plex user
2027? I don't think so.....If ever....Few viewers have access to 3.0. The average consumer will not be using it in the form it is now. I do not think 1.0 is going anywhere for a long time. Does the TV station want to lose the viewers they have? The only answer is to offer OTA TV via streaming for free....If OTA TV goes away, I have a lot options, as several of our OTA TV stations run their local news, etc via streaming now.
Thank you Lon, please keep at it
As a proud card carrying member of the super super super sub minority, the big issue is most of us who are in the sub minority aren't keeping up with the transition news, so the vast majority won't know its happening until it happens. :( and at that point it may be too late. Plus while I don't agree with a subscription model for OTA gateway viewing in our homes, if we are forced into it, I think many people would simply pay if/when that becomes reality. Look at the cord cutters who ditched cable only to subscribe/pay for 3-6+ streaming services. At the end of the day, paying similar monthly charges to cable. :(
I had a lot of colorful metaphors come in my mind when he said I'm a subset. I forgive him though he's just a tool for the broadcasters.
As disappointed as I am that T2 is not in fact a 24-Hour Terminator 2 Marathon (I'd watch), I'm enamored of a channel devoted to tennis, as well.
I know Mr Arland is in a position where he has to advocate for ATSC 3.0, but I am not enamored of his approach. I'm glad you had a more respectful dialogue with him in writing.
"Super, super, super sub-minority." I wonder if he's conscious of what an insulting thing that was to say to a fellow human interviewing him.
He should also politely assume that his opposition knows how to spell. S-P-E-L-L. I was not expecting such a condescending tone from someone essentially trying to sell ATSC 3 to ... everyone.
Nothing in ATSC 3 is going to stop piracy. Every encrypted/copy-protected electronic content delivery system since the original NES' cartridge authentication chip (and probably before that) has been in due time by pirates, while law-abiding citizens are just incovenienced by ineffective "anti-piracy" measures. If they're going to argue the piracy argument, they need to release numbers. How much money are they actually losing?
The software industry had no trouble releasing those metrics in the 1980s and 1990s during their anti-piracy compaigns.
Y'know, I think this means we're winning (or at least not losing ... yet). They don't have any slam-dunk arguments to give consumers to convince them they need or should want ATSC3 in exchange for giving up unencrypted, do-whatever-you-want-with-it-once-you've-got-it-as-long-as-it's-legal ATSC 1. If we were truly as negligible a group as he alleges, he'd not have to run around giving these sorts of interviews.
They've resorted to a charmed-up ad hominem argument. "only nerds want this, and not even all nerds; the ones the other nerds make fun of." It feels like high school.
Consumers want this, too. They're not activated because the vast majority of them aren't watching channels like Lon.TV and the Antenna Man on TH-cam and have no idea what the industry is trying to do. Network and cable news aren't covering this (likely due, at least in part, to being owned by entities that want ATSC 3.0).
The interview clips you've played even sound like the typical PAC commercial where some aggressively-authoritative-but-immediately-forgettable Person of Authority proceeds to rebut the opposition's argument only after failing to acknowledge all the actual crucial details of that argument.
I was born in 1984. I remember VCRs, and TiVos and everything else.
Nothing ATSC 3.0's advocacy group is promising us now is anywhere close to the time-shifting rights the Supreme Court guaranteed us before I could walk.
The DRM encryption & the industry’s arguments regarding piracy or claiming the those using gateway options are a minority issue them shooting themselves in the foot. With FAST & premium streaming services broadcasting on TVs & potable devices, consumers are used to take their TV experience wherever they go. Particularly young people are not going to flock to a TV and watch linear television. If the rollout doesn’t include gateway hardware that allows to stream tv everywhere, consumers will watch even less broadcast tv and more streaming, free and premium.
Advertising money comes from Purchases. Viewers - some of whom purchase from advertised products are not a Subset to be treated with disdain (badly).
Sony TV built in ATSC 3 tuners bring in T2 on the local Sinclair affiliate 30.10 with no problem. In fact, the 1080p picture on T2 is much BETTER than the 720p ABC broadcast over the air on the main 30.1 channel. Meanwhile the HDhomerun network tuners do NOT get that T2 channel as of early August 2024.
These industry folks keep saying they want DRM "because security." I'm still waiting to hear what exactly it is they feel the need to protect, considering that they are broadcasting publicly available information.
In addition, most of the shows that seem to be popular are on streaming services. It has been years since I had a discussion with someone regarding a show on an over-the-air broadcast channel, with the exception of PBS.
DRM and encryption appear to be just a way to hamstring the system so that people have to stay with cable. Remember they get fees from the cable company but not from the OTA part.
@@kensmith5694 Of course, but what's odd is they aren't even bothering to put out a plausible b.s. reason. They just throw the word "security" out there and think that's enough that we'll all respond like Congress did to Peter Griffin. th-cam.com/video/xx3pXLoq58k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fcKY_QMznER_6Hvu&t=21
On your ATSC 3 Streaming Channels question, I live in the Cincinnati-Dayton Ohio broadcast market and I should be able to get T2 from both cities and I do not get it from either. I have 3 HDHome Runs so I don't know if they can't turn it in.
The Internet channel things are interesting but I'm not sure I appreciate using the OTA bandwidth for that.
I watch OTA content in Canada for 30 mins a day, the 6 PM local news. I have 1 TV. This weekend it was a long weekend here in most of Canada. That meant that there was no local news at 6PM on one of the national networks. That is because they axed weekend & holiday local news coverage. Instead, they showed 2+ hours of a 20 yr old comedy series instead. I am glad I axed cable TV over 4 years ago.
I miss being able to watch free live over the air tv during the era of analog tv while connecting the tv with an antenna. There was no drm and encryption crap like how it is now. I rather go back to watching analog tv with an antenna like it used to be than have any drm and encryption. As least the consumers had more choices and not locked down since there was no drm and no encryption to worry about when watching free over the air live tv. I wish there was an option for implementing the useful features that came with using analog tv and having no restrictions at all in the digital era like it was during the analog era. For example, have the digital era be very similar to the analog era with the freedom of choices like it used to be. I hope that kodi will gain more popularity due to crap like drm and encryption. Drm and encryption is a glorified ala carte form of subscription service. It's gonna get to the point that all manufacturers will end up selling nothing but snake oil products and services like a snake oil sales man. I don't want to be the person that says I told you so but it seems like it's going to be in that direction.
So why don't most or all OTA channels stream 24\7? In the Seattle area ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox have 24\7 streaming local news, most newscast replays. I am guessing it has to do with the $$$ generated contracts with cable\streaming providers.
It’s the retransmission fees that make up the bulk of the revenue for broadcasters
"Super, super, super sub" is nonsensical. It is like calling people a "big, big, big small" or a "pro, pro, pro anti" group. TV broadcasters are facing similar disruptions that technology has brought to other industries. They have a cash cow which they see slipping away from them, and they are trying to do everything they can to keep their cash cow. But draconian measures rarely ever work. I for one will not be switching to ATSC 3 unless I can watch it like I currently watch ATSC 1 programs. No sign-in. No Internet connection. No spying on me.
I hope someone cracks the ATSC3 key derivation.
Good luck that requires cracking widevine l1. Though pirates have cracked it for years with rooted android devices but theres no possible way to root the external boxes at this time.
@@timbo303official9 There is a way to effectively do that to external boxes. It is not rocket science.
DRM has never hindered piracy, just consumers. Blu Ray disk DRM proved that. That is the answer to why it isn't given much attention. The goal IS really to attempt to push people to subscription services. Piracy is just how they are trying to justify it. Everyone in the industry knows that pirates will overcome or work around DRM quickly, but legitimate consumers will pay higher prices for restricted use equipment, with extra complexity and glitchy reliability for as long as the standard exists. This will frustrate most consumers enough to move them to pay services. Only the more tech minded people will be able to navigate somewhat through it, but as we now know we are a Super, Super, Super, sub minority.
Guess I'll have to befriend a pirate...
Is there anything on over-the-air television worth pirating?
I was interested in it. Sounded like decent technology. But then they ruined it. Honestly by the time they get it ready for prime time. Atcs 50.5 no one will care. It already requires an internet connection to update the drm. So it might as well just be streaming. I'll stick with my 1080p over the air. It just works. I can record what i want and keep it as long as i want.
So I guess the message basically is that in 2027, my TV goes out to the curb. My TV is never going to be connected to the internet. If I am going to stream, where the TV is, I will just set up a computer to do it.
If the TV is connected to the Internet, off-air broadcast isn't even necessary since streaming is accessable.
@@writerpatrick It is getting hard to source the coal it burns and the boiler may need work soon. It is an analog CRT based TV that I have a converter box connected to.
I'm in that situation today since my TV/DVR just broke. I figured I'd buy myself a TV Tuner and just watch it off my PC, especially when watching a video of how the software to do it works. Only to then see that all the channels I'd want to watch are already encrypted and not supported in ATSC 3. I'll just stream the few shows I really care about, and they'll lose out on a ton of ad revenue from me.
@@shadowninja6689 Yes, sadly, it looks like the DRM nonsense is taking away the over the air TV effectively. Where I am it seems that the stations I care about haven't yet caught the disease. The infection seems to be spreading east to west across the nation. At some point my video about TV antennas won't matter because of that.
Television is in its twilight years. It may have only about 15 years left.
I should know. I am in Canada and we already have one of our national television network owners, Corus Entertainment, poised to enter bankruptcy.
One network failing is not the end of it but the trend doesn't look great.
The super super super minority is very large....
Wait, does he think that the DRM is not broken, or that people retransmitting don't know how to bypass it? Any semi-savvy user knows how to break widevine and hdcp.
I've posted before, we have always used an antenna for TV so I was excited about ATSC 3.0 technical improvements. However the DRM debacle has soured me on the technology. I agree that for profit piracy is a problem but that seems to be pretty easy to prevent by using existing copyright regulations. As Lon mentioned OTA viewers are collateral damage as far as TV stations are concerned.
I think "for profit piracy" isn't a real problem. I doubt they end up with any less money in the rare cases where it may happen.
I pretty much gave up on ATSC 3 since DRM encryption pretty much ruined the entire concept of free tv. Let's wait for ATSC 4.
ATSC4 will be ATSC3 plus eyeball tracking
I'm in Columbus, OH which apparently has T2 available according to Rabbit Ears, but when I scanned for it in my HDHR Connect 4k (their first ATSC3 tuner before the Flex 4k), that channel isn't available.
The HDHR-4K doesn't have the capability to receive internet streaming channels by URLs sent over ATSC 3.0 broadcasts yet.
But SiliconDust said they will add the feature if enough of their customers request it last I heard.
The day they encrypt TV....it is time to go back to DVDs and Blu Ray's.... they are doing the same that they did with satellite TV....no way we going to continue to pay for TV...it is time to use UHF for these channels... like they should of in the beginning....If they did things right..... there would not be pirates.. .😮.. .whey should you have to pay for local TV or TV in general.... better to buy the DVD
Yes, but the law and the courts took care of those issues. That does mean that they should control where consumers can watch. Or whether in can be record in the home.
But where will we find reruns of all the 70’s tv shows if not on the existing OTA channels ?
Many of those reruns are the very best that is on TV. If you haven't already seen the movie, it is new to you.
When will the government ship out the new ASTC 3.0 to ASTC 1.0 converters so everyone can watch OTA TV like they did when everything went digital ? I will be waiting to order one on FCC dime.
There is no point for a 3.0 to 1.0 or NTSC converter. 3.0 will be DRM locked and broadcasters will flip the 1.0 switch off in 2027.
@@ElvisImpersonator Yes, and my TV goes out the the curb when that happens. I can put a computer monitor where my TV is and play videos from a PC I might want to watch.
@@kensmith5694 There is no need to dispose of your TV. You may just connect your computer to your TV in order to use your TV as a large computer monitor.
We have the streaming channels in the UK and they're all a waste of space. The danger is the OTA channel guide gets filled up with junk channels and makes it more difficult to find anything good.
Fox 5 in las Vegas is streaming online, but it's also encrypted. Zapper box finally got the channel working correctly last month.
NBC should have put the live Olympics as atsc 3 streaming channels.
Comcast/NBC would NEVER do that since they want folks to subscribe to Peacock TV to access the alternate feeds or purchase cable to watch USA Network and CNBC.
Gonna admit my testbed jellyfin setup is super janky and only has about a hundred items in the catalogue, but it's hyper convenient to just.... any screen 'boom. there you go'
Give me my TV that way too. It's all digital no need for a dedicated tv box. put the reciver on my home network and let me tv with whateveri want.
Ya, it’s not the super super super minority…maybe those that signed up, but not the people that share the same opinion. It’s just a regular minority, with the majority be ping uninformed.
Many of the OTA consumers are rural and they have a larger antenna and feed it to all the TVs in their house.
In the old days they were called early adopters.
Um this shouldn't be to stop pirates....
Jessica Rosenworcel (FCC Chair), please help up
My FCC comment: I strongly oppose allowing DRM in ATSC 3.0 transmissions. The Supreme Court of the United States ruled in Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984), also known as the "Betamax case", that the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use. Access to the airwaves is granted to broadcasters in the interest of them performing a public service. The addition of digital rights management technology (DRM) and its associated encryption does not serve this purpose. The ability to freely view and record broadcast content on the devices of our choosing (within technical limitations) needs to be retained. For the above two reasons, I most strenuously OPPOSE the inclusion of encryption and DRM technology in any and all broadcast media, to include ATSC 3.0, a/k/a "Next-Generation Television." In closing, I wished to point out that DRM encryption of ATSC 3.0 is in opposition of broadcasting in ATSC 3.0 in the first place now versus ATSC 1.0 due to the fact that general public will not be able to realize "higher audio and video quality, improved compression efficiency, robust transmission for reception on both fixed and mobile devices, and more accessibility, personalization and interactivity." Sincerely, SMSGT Keneth W. JOnes (U.S.A.F) P.S. I recently purchased a Hisense U8N (65U8N) on July 16, 2024 due to the fact it possessed an ATSC 3.0 TV tuner for "Next Generation," and I just discovered that the ATSC 3.0 major selling point for this TV of being able to view Free OTA ATSC 3.0 channels in 4K with dolby digital audio was false advertising. The general public was "once again" not served by our government institutions.
If it’s to stop pirates, does he really think those people won’t just intercept the signal and strip all encryption (e.g. with something like an HDMI splitter coming out of an Android streaming box)?
I want to record shows/sporting events for permanent, unencrypted, storage on my NAS, which is the modern day equivalent of using a VCR.
@@mavsguy842 Pirates have already cracked Widevine encryption. So the only people it hurts are regular consumers like us, not the pirates.
I feel like the streaming channels OTA are a big gotcha. Why? Some ISPs have data caps, then charges the customer more money if they go over those data caps. Not everyone has data caps, but some do, and its gonna be one of those gotcha moments in "free" television.
It seems recording a TV program becoming very complex. I miss the days when the most difficult aspect in recording (time shifting) with a VHS machine is setting the correct time on the machine. I think all this is moot because almost all content on OTA is not worth watching. As Tyler the Antenna Man points out, gen Z and millennials have no idea of OTA TV because they already have other means and TV stations don't outreach.
@@wrightmf Pre-2000 millenials know about OTA becuase we were still kids watching our parents antenna 📺 📺. Many of those old dinosaur tvs are sitting in storage or scraped in a landfill now.
It's mainly people born after 2000 or maybe 2010 that have little knowledge about how TV was mainly consumed over the air not that long ago.
I am part of Generation X, and beyond shows that have been in existence for decades, such as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even tell you the names of any current shows that are on over-the-air television.
DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV is Dead. There is no free money from the USA government for Free DRM 3.0 TV tuners. RIP for DRM over the air TV. 😅😅😅.
The industry is not listening. Only citizens lobbying the FCC will make things change.
That industry talking head doesn’t get it. Piracy thrives when people have no options and choices.
If it is already streaming online, why would you need an antenna‽ This is redundant and does not make practical sense at all.
Money, pure and simple; extract every single dollar possible from the consumer. Not a lot of new (or good) stuff to watch on OTA TV, but its still good for live news broadcasts. From what I know about its oepration ATSC 3 could provide some pay-per-view channels (subchannels) for special events along with the regular free channels, but with the minimal amount of stuff on OTA TV right now under ATSC 1 its surprising the big broadcasters don't drop their licenses and go 'all-in' on streaming if they want to block out ATSC 3 entirely.
@@crosslink1493
I believe, Les Moonves would have tried something like that but was also limited by the older skewed CBS audience.
Tablo is now owned by scripps so….
I will never hook my TV to the internet period! 73
The industry doesn't give a shit what the consumer wants...
A buddy of mine who’s an engineer at SoFla PBS was proposing that URL-based “broadcasting “ mechanism over two years ago, since it’s been baked into the ATSC3.0 standard since day 1. They were also pioneers of “data casting” even before ATSC3.0, which this is a permutation of.
No, we just actually care 👊😎
The Super, Super, SUPER minority are the ones with an ATSC 3.0 tuner/device at all. If the ones with one are objecting to the way DRM is being instituted, THEY KNOW what they are talking about.
If we are such an insignifigant minority. Why are they so compelled to feel they must respond?
We have power they pray and hide in fear of us using.
the arland man spoke very arrogantly with rolling his eyes.
This is a typical example of gaslighting. They figure if they can say the lie often enough, people like us who use gateway devices will become demoralized and believe that we are an insignificant minority. If the broadcasters keep up this campaign against us, they may find themselves out of business. I, for one, will be happy to see that happen - but I would be happier to see the airwaves become freer again.
Take care and God Bless.
the super super minority should pressure the FCC to yank back The super super minorities public airwaves license they are using to do this to us.
ATSC3 is dead on arrival... if its just going to stream over the internet on a very expensive box, its no different than a roku other similar device (that costs much much less) that just needs a wifi connection... when my ATSC 1.0 tuner doesnt pick anything up anymore i will just watch TV (a free service like pluto) on whatever version of still-supported 'roku express' i happen to have at the time.. and with NOAA S.A.M.E. for automatic weather alerts also being very affordable, i would resort to that instead, since the internet isn't going to be working to get the encryption key when the TV is being powered by batteries...
I will never watch TV for the rest of my life. I don't care for advertisements.
Imo, gen z/a arent going to care for ota tv. For me, let them encrypt all they want, nothing on but tv ads and sped up reruns to run more ads. Almost everything is on yt.
@@Flexin010 live sports
@@burrritoprince maybe that 😁
I watch some PBS stuff.
Garbage once in a while they will play laurace well and I will watch but for the most part PBS is garbage not the PBS I grew up with. 73@@kensmith5694
I suspect until more actual 4k content is broadcast, the sales of atsc 3.0 tuners will be relatively slow. Sort of chicken-and-egg situation - until there is more 4k content, not a ton of 4k tuner boxes will be bought, and broadcasters won't do true 4k content over the air, citing like of 4k tuners/TVs.
I don't think they have any immediate plans for OTA 4k. They are doing 1080p HDR in some markets but no 4k on the roadmap.
yeah they promised HD tuners in last transition to 1080 yet ABC/Fox is STILL using 720
@@LonSeidmanplease also drive the point that people without home internet will be affected by this. Some of us only have a cellphone for internet and 10 gb of hotspot is gone after streaming 1 4k movie. So watching TV on cellphone internet is a no go. OTA television should not have to be connected to the internet.
Marathon antenna 59 channels every day 93 on clear days southwest mo no phone no internet required.Would like 3.0 atsc tv when they go done doen less than 400 dollars.
What about keeping our dvrs active, ATSC1, timeshift recordings? How excited you will be when they are gone!
Seriously! You want 4k tv? Subscribe.
4K can be done over ATSC-1. A small broadcaster in Washington state has proven that.
They basically said almost no one will watch ATSC 3.0. I'm sort of wondering if this is an attempt to kill OTA without being super obvious about it.
Maybe some day a super super minority will be watching ATSC 3
I will never watch ATSC 3.
It will watch you and it will be sad when you go to 4.0. It will forget you by the time you go to 5.0.
No it won't I wont provide Internet connection. 73
They can keep the ATSC 3.0 garbage. I will not watch it. I've got my shows and movies that I like on DVD and Blu-ray, without the garbage ads and commercials!! I think it enough people don't buy into the ATSC 3.0 garbage, they'll belly up on the deal. My two cents worth..
I dropped all plans to buy ATSC3. When 1.0 goes off air the coax is getting cut. It's done. It's over.
Nielsen can keep mailing dollar bills, OTA is over.
@@duracell80 Yes, I expect to have to get my neighbor to help me carry the TV to the curb when ATSC is no longer an option.
Broadcasters are just trying to backdoor lock-in with all this foolishness. It doesn’t surprise me that they are trying marginalize all of us who want to do this.
If i need a box then they can keep their service. The TVs already have tuners they should use them. 73
this mans lucky he s able to be outside with his antenna set multiple antenna s tried
bridgeport ct market nyc 60 miles away
way to glitchy filters wont work at my end..
disconected my antenna back in the closet dont care about tennis 2 dah...
I seems like most Millennials and younger don’t even know that OTA is a thing. I’ve heard some Yoots say it was piracy because people weren’t paying a subscription for it.
It's all low-value content so it's OK
The over-the-air broadcasters are clueless. Many young people do not even watch over-the-air TV, but stream both premium and free content. In addition, the broadcasters are not just competing with Disney+, Netflix, and Hulu, but with TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, and TH-cam for attention. Furthermore, even many older people are abandoning the networks and going with Pluto TV, Tubi, and Roku.
The broadcasters should not only stop their encryption nonsense, they should be streaming their content, for free, online. Moreover, they should be advertising their content and their very existence via advertising everywhere. It seems that the broadcasters are doing everything in their power to make themselves irrelevant.
Beyond such long-running shows as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even provide you with the names of any shows currently on the broadcast networks. I am part of Generation X, and most Millennials, Gen Z, and Generation Alphas are probably not currently interested in broadcast TV. Therefore, the broadcast executives, who are being paid the big bucks, should be doing everything in their power to increase their audience, not reduce it.
I watch over the air TV. I think there are others like me. I watch something I like and relax before bed and that is about all. Stepping away from the PC is part of the move towards sleep.
@@kensmith5694 Yes, there are certainly people who watch over-the-air TV. However, as a percentage of the American population, this has probably decreased in the last two decades or so. Even discounting social media, many people who watch television stream content from Roku, Pluto TV, and the like. My argument is that the broadcast networks should be making efforts to make their content readily available, including streaming on Roku, Pluto TV, etc. The broadcasters should be meeting viewers where they are, not trying to make their programming more difficult to watch.
Most ad-supported electronic media, such as radio stations, podcasts, TH-cam, Roku, Pluto TV, Facebook, Instagram, and X (Twitter), try to do everything to make their content easily accessible. However, it seems that the broadcast networks are doing the opposite. What type of business wants fewer customers?!
Android users win again. Apple users "protected" from features again.
Maybe the US should take a look at the rest of the world.
i have airtv from sling
I recommend cloning the internal hard drive to an ssd. Once it dies unless u somehow cloned the seagate drive the airtv is ewaste.
Speculating, broadcasters want the same level of control of their OTA signal equivalent to free streaming providers such as Pluto TV, which block the skipping of ads. They likely have no objection having programs recorded just as long as viewers can't FF past the commercials. Aside from avid TV enthesis, I wonder does the average viewer really skip commercials. Most friends\family have a DVR and rarely use it, and when they do record a show, they tend to watch the commercials.
I skip EVERY commercial!!! I'm poor so I can't buy what's shown so I find it propaganda materialistic pushing
I get mad at myself when I forget to skip the commercials.
the people who want to watch how they want to watch is a super super small majority. How can a spokesman say that without laughing.
They pay him lots and lots of money and they selected someone with no sense of humor.
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Even if you're doing a good job kid. I'm still having problem with my HD home run I had to find out where I can get where I can get video data
Many people will not pay for ATSC 3.If others are abandoning cable,why would they connect themselves to another subscription. Piracy will always exist,even if it is done with a camera and a HD screen. I ma sure the technical savvy pirate can do a bang up job of reproduction if the content is in demand.
I agree but only if there is something worth the bother. Many many years ago there were some "encrypted" over the air channels in the UHF band that were done with an analog method. I got curious and built a descrambler to be able to watch the movies. It took me about 3 weekends to get it working. I watch it about 3 times and then put it on a shelf.
Wanting to DRM the absolute garbage programming that is on OTA at the moment.....
I have a Tablo 4th gen with 4 tuners. It crashes 2 to 3 times a day. It is junk.
Who rips off free OTA channels?
Exactly they ripoff the cable signals instead since its easier. This will 100% hurt non profits that work like locast.
Is there anything worth pirating from over-the-air television? With the exception of decades-old shows such as "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune," I could not even tell you the names of current shows on the major networks.
That Arland guy looks like a jerk, unfortunately.
He seems like the kind of guy who would piss on your head and tell you it's raining.
ATSC 3.0 needs to die off if all the channels are hoing to use DRM.....I dont know how thay can even be legal to do that on public broadcast