22mag vs 22lr vs 25acp - Mouse Guns for Self Defense - Ballistics Gel
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I know I wouldn't want to get shot in the ass, with any of them or any other place...👍👍👍👍👍
One advantage for .22mag is while certainly adequate for self defense in a pistol, it becomes a real screamer out of a rifle . So if you want a matching caliber it's hard to beat. Also from every video I have watched the Remington Yellowjacket expands the best out of .22lr pistols
Yellow jackets are nasty . One of the best all around ammo choices for 22LR.
@@eac1235 I need get some , they sure do seem to out perform everybody else across the board
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When they functioned correctly even Remington golden hollow points expanded well for small game.
CCI MINI Mag HPs are pretty consistent, accurate and reliable.
Expansion is difficult if not unlikely in really short barrels like you said maybe Yellow jackets or possibly CCI Stingers.
LCR and a CZ 455Lux. Great combo.
@@johngifford7725 That's about as good as it gets .
I know a guy that "accidentally" shot himself with a .25 and survived. He wasn't wrapped real tight before, and was wrapped even looser after. Should of been a poster child for why alcohol and gunpowder don't mix.
True they don't. And a lot people live through mouse guns hitting them but they always still have to go to er room for survival
I have carried a 950 BS Jetfire 25 acp during the mid-90s to the early 2000s pocket carry in a DeSantis leather trickster pocket holster... All the test I've seen 22 long rifle and 25 ACP out of the same type of gun are about equal...BUT .25 FMJ has better penetration than the 22 long rifle penetrating hard barriers... So for penetrating the skull I choose 25 ACP
These little guns will for sure surprise you on how much power they can put out for their size. Good stuff with WTW thanks once again. Ya Da Man. 💪🏽🎥👍💯
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He is indeed El Señor, El Queso Grande! In Tennessee, he’s the man that can, the dude that does, the guy most likely to!
@@dr.froghopper6711 good comment there Dr Froghopper, good shooting to you and yours. 👍
I own three pocket pistols in .25ACP and they are cool (historic) but my EDC is a very light weight 22Mag revolver (7 shot).
I'd never underestimate 22s of any type. That kind of penetration means they'd still be traveling fast when hitting bone or tendon. The fragments make small leaks everywhere. They don't call them the surgeon's nightmare for nothing. A shot to the face with any of those tend to be a casket closer too.
Not to be gruesome but the murder case here is Az where the girl killed her boyfriend but posted it on her social media while she was doing showed what a .25 to the head does. It wasn't much of anything so she had to stab the guy a ton of times. Sorry to be so dark but I figured I would take a .22 any day over a .25 I do own both so kinda speaking from having shot both. The .25 travels at 750 fps so it's pretty slow also. I have a .22 air rifle that shoots around 1000 fps I think it would be deadlier than the .25 acp.
@@1sinister80 where did she shoot him in the head? The top of the skull is the hardest part of the body if you were to punch someone on top of their head you will most likely break your hand maybe she shot there
@@kenstewart7700 Jody Arius or Arias it's a very famous trial. You can look it up. It was behind the ear I think. Very disturbing so just a heads up.
The load data for the .25ACP can reach 1,000. I've seen it chronographed.@@1sinister80
@@1sinister80 If I had to choose between 22lr and 25acp for self defense it would be 22lr no doubt. Out of the tests I’ve seen with hollow points, if the 25acp had an advantage it was minuscule.. For sure not enough to warrant $.84 a round compared to $.08.. Person can really get to know a pistol, comfortable, more efficient and work on shot placement for $.08 compared to $.84.. lol Hell I can often buy 5.56 and .308 for the price of 25acp, dang sure reload cheaper.. lol
If someone has 25acp money they have 9mm money.. lol
Rejecting .22's and the .25 because they aren't "big enough" is like saying a pocket knife blade won't hurt you because it isn't an 8" bowie.
Even though smaller weapons are more capable of hitting smaller and bigger objects than bigger weapons faster and easier to put on target too
Carried a Beretta .25 Jetfire with Glazer ammo quite a bit with confidence, especially if clothing was insufficient for bigger guns . Although, I enjoyed carrying a Browning .380 with the 15 round mag as a favorite. Good vid, bro!
When I was 16 I traded a road master car radio for a raven 25acp,thinking back now I don't who got the better deal LOL
When are we going to see a "Magnum .25acp" that will give us centerfire reliability in a form factor that will fit in a 22WMR envelope so anyone already making a .22WMR can easily pivot production to the new .25?
.25 Super Carry!
Me too love to see like a .25 magnum with a case length of say like a 1 and a half.
I would like to see a new .25 rimfire😁
Velocity from a rifle barrel about 1400fps with 70gr bullet - slow enough so jacketed bullets are NOT required to keep cost down.
At handgun velocities that will still be a good 'un. And costs could be way lower than (jacketed) 22mag.
I’m a fan of the 22 WMR but it needs at least a 4” barrel to expand. I wouldn’t want a hole poked by any of them leaking fluids out of my body! But a sweet little 4” double action revolver with 22 WMR in the tubes would make me feel better.
I think I saw Paul Harrell do a test and the velocity of a 22 mag out of a snubbie was roughly that out of a 22 lr out of a rifle.
22 LR never ceases to amaze me with how potent a performance it gives for such a tiny round
Hey! Have you seen here on TH-cam the 22lr going through a 1 inch board at 100 yards? I forget who posted it but the same guy actually made 300 yard shots with a 22 rifle.
@@eac1235 no I haven't seen that but will try to find it and watch, I did witness my Grandpa make a 200 yard shot with his Winchester 22 lr rifle and take out a predator, 1 shot
Never underestimate them. They can do damage than anyone thinks
The .22 wmr is quite capable and one of the most underrated rounds out there imo.
Ive got a black widow loaded with cci bonded TNT rounds, they move at about 1200fps and expand to 11mm in a water jug. Good enough for MY pocket!
Yep, I’d pack either if I didn’t have anything else. They’re all better than a Sharp Stick.
I dunno… a 2” swhacker broadhead on a 425 gr arrow at 350 fps will make a hole that none of these produce. It’s a bear to conceal carry my crossbow though and reloads aren’t quick!
And all 3 of those are better than nothin.
Love your videos, love the channel
Keep it up!!
Thanks for watching Julian!
So 50 grains(25) went as deep as 35 or 40 grains(.22)? Sounds like the 25 acp is doing exactly what it was designed to do-deliver slightly more energy than a .22 reliably from a 2 inch barrel.
I bought one of the NAA cap and ball companion revolvers just for fun. I'd love to see it fired in ballistics gel.
Interesting results!👍 I wouldn't carry one of these bing bangs as my primary, but they are adequate for a backup.
I would not carry anythng less than a 380 for a backup. I used to carry a model 27 Glock for a backup when my primary was a Glock 22. Same caliber shorter barrel to strap onto my vest.
What? If it is adequate for a backup, why wouldn't it work as a primary?
Anything worth the weight, is worth the weight. Anything that isn't, isn't.
I would pick penetration over expansion, any day. Solid nose .22lr will do the job, if you put it in the right spot. I once knew a poacher that used Remington H.V. .22 shorts for 🦌 exclusively. Golden Gate Park in early 60's. And that was out of a 8" bbl revolver.
I just watched a video where a .25ACP was loaded with hollow points. It expanded in the same gel you have. Now, the clear gel will not expand some hollow points. Buffalo tested CCI Uppercut in the clear and it did not expand. Another guy tested it in the brown gel and they expanded like they should. So, the type of gel makes a difference. I believe the FBI uses the brown gel, Ballistic Gel.
I have both. I've carried the Black Widow for 35 years and the 950 for as long. Both do 'the job'! As a back up.
I like em
22 mag in a Taurus 942 snubbie is in my rotation.
It is what I call an attention getter, makes a lot of noise and a pretty good fireball.
Sorry I missed the live chat tonight, I had a shooting match. I love videos like this, it kind of proves a 22lr isn't completely worthless. I say carry as big as you are comfortable with carrying. I know I'd rather have a 22lr rather than a pocket knife in a fight.
I love the little NAA revolvers and I would love to have one, and if you’re going somewhere where you can’t conceal very easily they are great. But you can buy a Taurus G3 for less money. Those little guns are expensive
They are, but I've heard them compared to a "Swiss Watch".
You pay for the quantity.
Yes they are expensive, and for years I felt that the $ could be spent in better places. Had my NAA for 3 years now, should have bit the bullet and bought one 30 years ago. Alot of guns have come an gone in that time, some good some not so much. Few would have been as fun or useful as a NAA combo.
Pocket carry a JA 22 everyday. Fits in the top pocket of my jeans. Really doesn't print and not many folks would expect it their anyhow.
When I feel like traveling light, I absolutely pack my NAA Black Widow along. 22 mag will definitely get the job done.
I have a .22lr NAA with the peanut grips, It is better than nothing. Especially against a knife.
Keep the fun rolling bro. lover your stuff!
Thanks for watching!
About 55 years ago, a penny less Farmer with a large and very hungry family to feed used to "Harvest" an occasional Deer with the only gun he had ammo for. The .22 long rifle. At close range, with open sights, he put a single 40 grain bullet right between the eyes. And, as a boy, I was absolutely astounded at the way even the biggest Bucks would just drop to the ground.
I'd never suggest anyone do this today. But, I'd also never turn in a man just struggling to survive in a harsh and cruel World either.
Sounds like none are different enough to make a difference. In the Beretta the 25 would be the most reliable being rimless, and a jacketed bullet. I have a 22 lr bobcat, and the NAA 22 lr, and the 22 mag. In the revolvers, rimfire is fine. The bobcat will jam occasionally.
The 25 ACP is really the best choice because the ammo is a centerfire cartridge and centerfire priming is far more reliable than rimfire. When shooting 22LR and 22Mag you'll get a whole lot more shells that don't go off (and show a good strike to the rim) than with any centerfire such as the 25 ACP + the Beretta 950 is less than 10 oz and carries 9 shots. 8 in the mag + 1 in the chamber.
@@frankbrowning328 The only .22 LR I have had that would not fire was the Agila 60 grain ammo,six out of eight rounds got good strikes but did not fire.
Thanks wtw, I like the small caliber videos. Don't normally carry 22lr but I have a few times.
Hornady has a .22 Mag personal defense hollow point in nickel plated cases. I’m sure they would make an impressive wound channel.
Good video as usual. Never underestimate the humble .22lr. Not even close to my first choice but with the right gun and training it’s plenty dangerous enough.
Al Capone carried a little Colt .25 ACP as his backup gun to his Colt 1911.
Tools & targets youtube channel has a pretty good lineup of jelly testing for a lot of rounds but his .22lr test shows federal punch and federal automatch are so far the best penetrators. I believe he uses a Taurus tx22.
Great video whooteewhoo
I carried a Beretta .25 as a back up to my service revolver in the early ‘70s. For the past several years I’ve carried the LCP .380 in retirement.
Great video, I have the Beretta 21a. .22lr. It's flawless
I’m a proud .25 auto aficionado. Colt vest pocket and your beloved Jetfire are my favorites
I was surprised the 22 mag didn't work out the back. Any are deadly in my opinion. Another awesome wtw video!
Barrel length
I love these guns, I've got a great mouse gun collection and I believe it may be addictive!
Yeees, totally addicted to collecting them all, I wish someone would have warned me years ago before buying my first🤪
@@melissasmess2773 It all started with a beretta 950 bs and now I've got 3 of those plus about 15 others and I don't see my addiction stopping anytime soon!! Pray for me!!! 😆
Boy Spring has surely made itself known in the beautiful hills of central Tennessee.
I'd like to see what, Federal Punch 22lr, would do out of the NAA.
Better than a sharp stick. Gives a little more distance too. Thank you.
Good video. Either one would be better than not having one. Thanks for the video.
I have the same Beretta 25 cal jetfire and also an NAA 1 1/8 that shoots 22lr or 22 wmr. I got the NAA about 15 years ago and the Jetfire about 7 years ago. I set a goal to shoot the NAA at 5 yds with free right hand (no aiming allowed), cocking trigger with only same hand (no using left to cock), and shoot all 5 rnds in no more than 3 seconds. Most important of all was to hit a paper plate with all 5 rnds. I practiced for about 2-3 months before I could finally consistently hit the plate in 3 sec for all 5 rounds. Took about 15 boxes of 50 or 750 rnds total. I allowed myself to already have the NAA in my hand with arm hanging down my side....so the 3 seconds did not include drawing from a holster. No way I could make the 3 sec if I had to draw (it took about 2 sec just to draw the gun). Anyhow, after finally getting to be a pretty good shot with the NAA, I felt confident that I could stop most threats with that little revolver...basically shooting whatever in the head. I have not done the same with my Jetfire....frankly, too damn much work and lazy I guess. BTW, my usual cayyy is eithe a SIG 9mm P938 OR a larger Glock 27 40 cal.
Interesting video, and I was maybe a little surprised as to how close the 22lr, and 22mag were. It would definitely be interesting to chronograph the two at really close range and see what the speed differential really is.
The NAA website has the velocities of both .22 LR and .22 Mag out of their revolvers. The mag is always higher than the LR as I remember.
Those CCI mini mags are a bit more spicy than the average LR round
Out of an 18" bbl you can just about double the muzzle velocities, give or take 100 fps. .22lr/ .22mag..
Wow, didn't expect that, more powerful than I thought.
Cool to see the little guns tested
I us to own the NAA black widow and loved it. I hate I got rid of it.
Reminder: Test your ammo in your pocket pistol. One brand of 22WMR turned my NAA into a single-shot-jam-up-mechanical-nightmare because the rims on the rounds were thicker. Other brands ran just fine.
I’d like to see how a 22 short does from that NAA!
Great information, thank you! My opinion is that a .22LR needs to be a solid bullet to penetrate deep enough and the Ruger LCP2 is one of the best automatics. If you want deeper penetration and ballistics go with the NNA .22 magnum and a Vmax bullet. I bailed on the .25 years ago because it sometimes doesn’t have the velocity to even penetrate a leather jacket. I bailed on the Beretta Tomcat .32ACP because of frame cracking issues long term. The NNA .22 mag is the lightest and most powerful deep carry and the .380ACP is my CCW❤️
I've got a hellcat in 9mm I carry. Me personally I wouldn't carry anything smaller that a 380 but that's me.
"Skip Trace" down below made a comment about shooting a .25 Glazer. Nobody talks about those much anymore, but I think that it would be pretty cool if you could find some Glazers and do a smaller caliber, say up to .380, test and comparison in the gel. Love your common man approach to doing these videos. You present your stuff warts and all, and I surely appreciate ya, brother!
I appreciate that every caliber question I ever have has been answered on your channel. Love the videos 🤘
Thanks for watching Samuel!
Guns for CC.....🤔. I don’t care what it is. Stay strapped or get clapped. I’d take any gun over no gun when my life or my wife’s life depends on it. I got my mom a TCP .380 that couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 10 yards. But you know what? It’s mighty fine when the crap hits the fan and you need to pop off a few at 10 feet. A gun in hand, no matter the caliber, is better than nothing. Good vids brother.
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I have a Spanish made .25 that was my uncle George's. It was made in 1929 I carry it occasionally. It shoots great never a failure.
Who tee who I remember the tiny beretta was also James bond’s pistol but proved unreliable so the secret service gave him the walther ppk 7.65 mm auto 👍🇮🇹🐾🦊
Great video , looking foreword to the new videos that are coming out , Thanks
I have both of those guns that I recently acquired. I've had a little 22 lr derringer that I've carried for years, it's what I carry when I'm not carrying a gun. Have to shoot the other two before I'll carry them. Keep up the good videos.
Good study. I have two derringers; one a Colt Lord, the other a Cobra. The Colt Lord only shoots 22 shorts, but is actually pretty accurate, and can be easily concealed in a wallet holster. The Cobra is a over/under and fires a 22 LR, but is not real accurate, and not super reliable. One barrel only fires about 50 percent of the time, but the other fires every time, so if I get it set up to where the right barrel fires first, I'm good for at least one shot at close range (within 10 feet) for a 5 inch shot group. I also have a Heritage Barkeeper, and it has the option of firing a 22 Mag. This pistol is nice, with a good trigger pull, and is very accurate, even out to 15 meters, and could hit center mass of an average person consistently at 25 meters. It is more concealable than most handguns, but not near as concealable as the derringers. If I am in what I call "condition light green" I carry the Colt; if it goes to "condition yellow" I up it to the Barkeeper, due to the accuracy and a little more power of the 22 Mag. I am not surprised by the performance of the Mag in this video, given that its muzzle velocity is 1800 fps. I was surprised at the wound track of the 22 LR, though. Again, good video, thanks for the effort.
My capt carries the 950 minx in the 22 short. I carry the jetfire 25 acp. It is all about shot placement. I sometimes carry a 9 shot 22lr snub nose revolver. My next larger off duty weapon is the Tomcat 3032 32 acp. Plenty powerful....remember “shot placement”
Enjoyed the video as always Was looking forward to this one
Thanks for watching Merlin
I usually carry a Ruger LCP .380 in my pocket. With a knife clip to clip to the inside of the pocket. Easy to conceal & easy to get to.
Good info. I carry a .38 CAL LCR. I've been thinking about picking up a .25 Tomcat for summer carry. This info was helpful. Thanks.
Just started watching. I thought my mom on a little 7 shot 22 semi auto and she loves it so in my opinion no need to up her to something she can't shoot well! It'll do the trick
We had a fellow near me, get arrested for killing ELK with a .22mag rifle....WILD Elk...like others have opined, the increased powder load of the Mag is wasted on that tiny cylinder/barrel combo. I too have one of the Beretta .25's, which while not overwhelming, when needed in a 'pinch' is tell a hell of lot better than the proverbial 'sharp stick' ;) Lastly, the capability of the .22LR, especially those hotter loads for specific uses, continues to amaze. I know of a 'mob' hitter, who specialized in urban attacks using of all things, a hollow point .22 short shooting mouse gun (I was a Leo). He would take out targets with 'contact' shots, often in large crowds which masked the noise, and provided him loads of cover under which to 'retire' from the scene. For myself, I used for years, as a backup, or even tertiary, firearm, a very slim/small .32 ACP, shooting jacketed HP's. It worked.
I have carried the black widow for over 30 years . It was 2 2/2" low at 15 yards
The NAA .22 LR w2ith Federal Punch Ammo has great ballistics.
It keeps up with the .22 Mag in speed and penetration.
I do carry my NAA .22LR when I can't pocket carry a larger pistol.
With the Punch ammo, I feel that I am well protected if I need to use the revolver.
In those short barrels you can only burn so much powder, like to have seen a 22 short in on the mix
They perform very closely, shorter frame and less weight, I never see them for sale or I would buy one!
25acp for the win before watching the video.
I’ve done these tests. 22mag screams out of a rifle but sucks out of a 2” barrel. John Moses browning literally designed the 25acp to be more stout and more reliable than both 22’s
Browning designed it do well in a little 2 inch barrel, and then designed the perfect pistol for it, the Colt 1908 vest pocket, or the FN "baby Browning"
Literally every test I've seen through 22mag matches the 25acp or exceeded it.
@@robarmstrong5404a lot of smoke and fire from unburned powder.. might be a problem at night.
For 3 years all i had for defense period was a .22lr in a S&W rifle, CA had just raised the age limit to 21 right after i purchased it. I didnt care about the controversy, the MP 15/22 is very reliable and i made myself capable with the caliber and platform.
Anything that leaves a hole a foot deep is gonna hurt some and make you leak lol,but good to finally see some green grass and trees too,thanks wtw,tell Paul hey for us
Very interesting. Im surprised the 25 did so well.
I had a chance to shoot a friend's Berreta a few months ago and I was very impressed with it. Because of the light recoil and light crisp trigger, it was very easy to just dump the mag into the target. I had been taught to despise the 25 acp but I was definitely impressed.
I like it
I thought the 22 mag would beat the other 2 by a wide margin. it surprised me how close all 3 were.
Barrel length, to short to get its extra speed.
I think the 22 mag depends a lot on the ammo. You can get fmj and you can get heavier ammo 50gr
And now you have short barrel designs to. I have used the naa as a backup or boot gun off and own.
A single 6 has worked great as a hog trap gun. I use win 40 gr fmj and shot them in the head.
I have a buddy that really only hog hunts with the 22 mag both in rifle and revolver.
Me I rather have something bigger with lose hogs.
I have an old colt vest pocket hammerless in 25acp that I will occasionally slip into a pocket and carry I am confident that if I needed it it would help
I bought a N.A.A. Black Widow in 22lr because I figured a 22 mag wouldn't make much of a difference in a short barrel. Less muzzle flash, less expensive ammo. This proves it!!! Thanks!!!🙂
Yeah the wmr expends a lot of energy outside the barrel, negligible difference in velocity so not much advantage.
The 22 magnum hands down
I am not supposed to carry at work, but I just about always have a NAA .22lr in my pocket anyway.
I'll tell you right now. I'm going to enjoy this.
I dont carry a .22 or .25 just because the LCP .380 is almost as small as those guns. I would carry one as a backup if I didn't already own LCP.
I do own a little .25 Baby Browning, but it used to be my Mom's gun so I'm a little sentimental about it.
All three have about the same performance. Their advantage is that if you miss the bad guy at point blank range, the noise and muzzle blast will cause most intruders to shift into overdrive on the way out the door. Be prepared to back the little guys up with a sawed off twelve gauge. Or maybe a 34 inch piece of ash with a HANK AARON logo burned into it.
i like the 25's. a carbine in 25 would be fun.
I carry my little Phoenix 22 when I cant carry my 9mm love your videos
Thanks for the video
Had a lil unnamed 49buck 25auto yrs ago that fit in my pants lil watch pocket. It wasn't bad. Kinda surprised of your results being so close. A 22mag pistol should be the closest you're gonna get to a 22lr rifle.
NEVER had a problem with a cci not going bang when fully chambered. Only stoppages were a filthy rifle not pushing them all the way in the tube.
A long time ago . I got a large amount of primer only rounds from them! Got very upset and contacted them! They had me send them the entire batch back to them! They set me three thousand rounds and a apologizing letter! Great company and since high quality product! Thank you cci! 😊
If I was going to carry any of them it would be the 22 mag NAA.
I have one of those NAA Black Widows, great little gun. I put the clip grip on it makes it easier to carry. The Speer gold dot is a good ammo for it👍
32 acp and 327 mag make for some small pocket guns
You should look at getting a .32acp mouse gun. Norma loads ammo for it and it's affordable!
I'm surprised they went that far. No joke. 22 short would go just as far
I think maybe you'll get to it later in the video, it'd be awesome if there's a long barrel 25acp to compare the damage done by all 3 with a longer barrel. Know this video will be awesome let's go!
Mouse guns behind lol hey Adam hope y’all are safe up there around them darn fires , see y’all at 9pm buddy .
I carry the naa 22mg Once in awhile. 🔥🙏⚔🛡✝️
I found 25 acp a year ago. Ppu brand 13 a box for 50. I got 5 boxes cuz thats all they had lol
The 22 isn't an FMJ round. Just copper washed to run down the barrel and not leave much lead. My Beretta never jams - it wants quality ammo, mini-mag, Velociters or Stingers. 22 Mag from a Century Arms snubbie, holds 8 or 9. I'm looking in pawn shops for a classic 25, Baby Browning etc, just because
shot a tv with one of the 4 inch .22 mags. it bounced off!! gave it away and got myself a 45.