TBF this is a thing English speakers will tease other native English speakers in front of non-native speakers showing good skill in both formal and street grammar/vocabulary.
I love that Marutake is a reoccurring character here in this anime. Firstly discovering that Bae is in fact not Japanese. Then discovering that shes Australian living in Japan lol. Next up, he'll discover that shes a comedian.
"Are you Japanese?" and "For how many years have you been living in Japan?" were words he didn't say if he thought she was Japanese. He mistakenly assumed she was a native Japanese speaker, so he said, "You speak English well."
There are many foreigners who speak Japanese fluently, but it is extremely rare to find someone with perfect pronunciation Bae and Anya are indistinguishable from native speakers in every way, not just in pronunciation but also in rhythm, choice of words, and attitude
Yeah for example Cali, Kson, Ina, Iofi, and Ollie are fluent in Japanese but their accent makes it easy to distinguish they actually didn't grow up there... But I would say Irys and Fuwamoco also nailed the accent just like Anya and Bae, because many JP members are also surprised they are not from Japan when hearing their speaking..
@@irvancrocs1753 but Irys is half japanese, furthermore, she and FWMC had been living in Japan for certain amount of times. Idk bout Anya, cuz literally noone knows about her past life or any of her personal info, but Bae as someone of Chinese-Australian who never live in Japan prior joining Hololive is mad.
I love every reaction Kettsun made, from his Sutogura rp, FF Remake and Rebirth gameplay and now this. His genuine over the top reactions are priceless ngl. Also Bae, probably the first ever person I am aware of who got both Eigo and Nihongo jouzu'd in the span of 2 minutes.
Something that's always fascinated me is how hard it is to distinguish accents in a different language. Same as I can't tell how Korone sounds different but I've seen enough clips to know she does. Meanwhile, an Australian accent stands out so strongly to me, I'd think anyone could hear it.
Same, whenever they talk about the Kansai dialect in anime I can't distinguish it, but I can distinguish between almost every dialect and accent of English.
I can tell a Mexican from a Spaniard but that's about it. Different Japanese accents are hard to pick, but then I am way beginner level. Kansai just sticks out because they say "aho" over "baka" and "honma" over "honto".
I think from intermediate proficiency it becomes quite possible to tell accents and dialects apart (at least speaking from experience with English as a second langue). Imitating accents though... There is no chance I can do that. I am stuck with my own.
Every now and then though, you’ll find someone like my brother, who although is a native English speaker, will have no idea someone has a different accent until you tell him so lol
I never knew this untill now, but Danish and Japanese share a fact. There are so few of us who can speak the language, that we are really fucking hyped when we meet a none native who can speak our language fluently XD
lol, never forget bae's japanese is better than miko's elite japanese hahaha. i'll never forget bae giving miko a japanese lesson on kansai dialect lololol JDON!
The way everyone is always pointing a gun at everyone else while having casual conversations reminds me of America. Also, Japanese is Bae's THIRD language.
I find that this phenomenon is reasonably common. I'm born Chinese and live in Australia, I also received most of my education in Australia, though I first studied English back when I was in China. I've been told many times that I speak really good English with no accent by Australians I met in school and workplaces. I've also met Australians who studies Chinese and are capable of having conversations with me entirely in Chinese with really good pronouciation. I can't comment about their grammar because I don't actually know about Chinese grammar rules in the same way I know English or Japanese grammar rule, which I learned when studying those languages. What I observe is that people who learned a second language very well can sometimes be considered "better" at speaking that language than some native speakers. I guess that's the benefit of systematically studying a language. This is also why I don't believe in the myth about how babies can learn languages better than adults. Adults are so much better at learning new things, as long as it's done the proper way.
babies are "better at learning" new languages mainly because theyre not embarrassed to just make random mouth noises, theyre picking things up freeform without anything holding them back, while someone learning a second language isnt
People who blame age for not being able to learn a language just have a loser mindset. My mum picked up Mandarin as her 4th language at the age of 50 and she's doing great.
@nf7694 Well, what about older foreigners? Even though they've learned how to speak & read a language, there's many that still have an accent or thick accent or have difficulty with many pronunciations properly. Are those people not putting in enough effort then?
@Ambichook That didn't seem to work with my niece. While she can understand some basics of my family's native tongue. She can't speak it. Whether she's too embarrassed to try or etc. She was exposed at a young age too, like 4 to 8 years old. My other niece though, is interested & has tried. Just not on a serious level.
Poor Bae, she got exposed being an Australian then got _nihongo mechakuccha umai'd._ She will never escape the JP allegations xD They're the true duo comedians. Making Bae laughed so hard. JDON their souls 🙏🙏
Im an Aussie, and I used to study Japanese at school, was one of the best students, but I’ve already forgotten most of it :( might need to try to re-learn it, genuinely love the language! Also love hearing the Aussie accent come out at 3:48
There is a weird cultural thing among some Japanese people that has still managed to stick around. Many of them view being able to speak Japanese as something that only Japanese people are capable of, so there is always a shock when they find out someone that isn’t Japanese can speak it so natively. I’ve experienced and know of people that are just like Bae and often people assume they are Japanese on the phone or online, but in person some Japanese will look at them like they are speaking gibberish when they try to talk to them in Japanese because they don’t look Japanese. Like, their brain can’t comprehend a non Japanese person speaking nearly perfect Japanese, so it just shuts down and pretends it can’t hear anything, lol.
As long as you can hold a conversation with them and be respectful, they'll think you're good no matter how bad your Japanese is. I can only speak like a first-grade student and the staff I talk to at a shop compliment me anyway, kind of a weird feeling lol.
@@PaulNapkinds Bad Japanese is actually in some ways easier to get by with as a foreigner sometimes in Japan, especially in rural areas. People there EXPECT your Japanese to be bad, so they know to try to listen real hard to try to understand, or they just ignore you and try to talk to anyone you're with who looks Japanese instead. Even if that person doesn't speak any Japanese at all. Again, this isn't everyone, and it's a fading thing that used to be a lot worse, with globalization a lot more people there are acclimating and understanding that speaking Japanese isn't some genetic thing that only Japanese people can accomplish anymore.
I got "Nohongo jozued" in my Australian village for accidentally saying "daijoubu" to some tourists that cut in line at a local cafe. I haven't even got to Japan yet. But Japanese is a pretty difficult language, speaking isn't really the hard bit, it is listening and reading and writing. My hirgana looks like a little kid trying to write.
LMAO ok that was gold when her friend Marutake shows up and had no idea too, Tengoku goes from Nihongo to Aussie in 0 to 100 when she speaks English too lol
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"his Japanese is so bad"
brave words for someone within shooting range
RUST rules applied.
TBF this is a thing English speakers will tease other native English speakers in front of non-native speakers showing good skill in both formal and street grammar/vocabulary.
Ok, at this point i doubt Marutake knows that Bae is Idol, in Hololive.
A new thing to surprise the dude, or else he researched after that
The funny thing is he literally didn't until yesterday. The timestamp of when he found out is at 51:25 of her 3rd Rust stream.
@@AzwraithPLreminds me of when he found out temma is holostars last vcrgta w
I'm not surprised like AN IDOL IN HOLOLIVE?! WHAT A RARE SIGHTING PHENOMENON!!
@@assaulthetz if he doesnt even research holostars member back then when vcr gta last year, bet he would research it again ww
"He is Super Idiot Man" is the best 👌 🤣
The aggressive tone makes it perfect.
"YEAHH!!" - Kettsun
I would say Kettsun is taking strays, but it was more like a shotgun to the face that he didn't even notice. 😆
Actually had pretty good pronunciation, too. OH, YEAH!
It has the same energy as "you are made of stupid!"
I love that Marutake is a reoccurring character here in this anime. Firstly discovering that Bae is in fact not Japanese. Then discovering that shes Australian living in Japan lol. Next up, he'll discover that shes a comedian.
he already done that to Tenma last year in vcr gta, and last time he also found that aruran is anya senpai ww
Who is he? What's this collab?
@@somedudewatchintv5297it's a VCR.
They invited Streamer,VTuber,Mangaka and Artist to sometimes.
I don't think that'll be the end of it...
There's merch, concerts, mario kart parties...
@@somedudewatchintv5297they also invite Voice Actors/Actresses from many animes
Marutake's profile pic perfectly fits the context of clips he's in
I'm convinced that's just how he looks like irl. With accurate size.
He said he's the first Htuber.
His thumbnails are even better😂
Baelz’s English has come a long way. She still mispronounces some words, but she’s almost fluent.
It's inspirational, really. It's almost like it was her first language or something. She's truly a talented JP member.
It actually has, because her first language is technically cantonese
Handwriting still needs a bit of work…
Tomato
Eigo-jouzu'd
On today's episode of "Marutake learning new things from Bae"
It remind me when he was with temma in last vcr gta😂
I think It's just marutake in every episode
The next step to Nihongo Jouzo, the "Are you japanese?" 😭😭😭
Being a gaijin and being told “your english is so good” is the real nihongo jouzu
The next step is "for how many years have you been living in Japan?" 😅
"Are you Japanese?" and "For how many years have you been living in Japan?" were words he didn't say if he thought she was Japanese.
He mistakenly assumed she was a native Japanese speaker, so he said, "You speak English well."
Then "you are japanese!"
通話の時にしか通用しないね。現実世界なら見た目で言われない
If Marutake ever met Axel at one point, he should wait for it until he realizes the latter too is Australian
On vcr gta2 axel, rpr and marutake were on the same gang. Idk if marutake knows that axel is not jp tho lol
I fear for the structural integrity of Marutake's cranium should such a thing happen.
Next thing he discovers that Bae is a chaos rat living under the sewers to plot her world domination.
Apparently, sentient rats are easier to believe than Bae being a native english speaker.
Since Bae knows jp, send her in as spy...
What is it with rodents and trying every night to take over the world?
Even the names work too well; They're Peko and the Baelz.
@@blackjacktrial WB did nothing wrong
@@blackjacktrial Where does that joke about Pekora being a rodent come from, anyway
2:00 the silent stare is loud
Whenver a Japanese breaks out the "Yeah!" you know they're fluent .. in Passion English 🤣
I'm so glad Marutake made friends with Bae 😂 this is golden
I love the fact that "I thought I heard fluent english" is an actual point of interest in this vcr.
There are many foreigners who speak Japanese fluently, but it is extremely rare to find someone with perfect pronunciation
Bae and Anya are indistinguishable from native speakers in every way, not just in pronunciation but also in rhythm, choice of words, and attitude
Yeah for example Cali, Kson, Ina, Iofi, and Ollie are fluent in Japanese but their accent makes it easy to distinguish they actually didn't grow up there...
But I would say Irys and Fuwamoco also nailed the accent just like Anya and Bae, because many JP members are also surprised they are not from Japan when hearing their speaking..
@@irvancrocs1753 but Irys is half japanese, furthermore, she and FWMC had been living in Japan for certain amount of times.
Idk bout Anya, cuz literally noone knows about her past life or any of her personal info, but Bae as someone of Chinese-Australian who never live in Japan prior joining Hololive is mad.
@@irvancrocs1753
アイリス、ハコス、アーニャあたりはマジで普通に話してたら気付かないレベル。
3:00 best joke punchline.
textbook example of tsukkomi
This needs to be animated
That gun shot is peak comedy
I was eating at that moment, and legit choked for a split second
This man is a magnet to fluent English
For any new Brat, Bae may say she's Australian and talk in Australia but she lives in Japan with of the rest of her fellow HoloJP members
So basically she's Hachama 2.0
@@shaoronmdhaven't watched Haachama much outside of a clip of her eating a spider. Is she a native English speaker as well?
@@Arphaliait's complicated...
@@Arphalia she's japanese but she went to school in australia so she speaks pretty good english
@@Arphalia She has good english since she both studied in Philippines and in Australia
Bro was like "HUH?!" "EEEEEEHH??" everytime, it's hilarious 😂
First Bae got eigo jouzued by a japanese person
After japanese person found out that Bae is australian, she got nihongo jouzued
We have 2 Australians in Hololive Production and both speak fluent Japanese (one can only speak Japanese when down right drunk even)
Drunk state is just his factory reset let's be real here
Lack of words he can use aside, Marutake's english pronounciation pretty good
2:20 Marutake's laugh lol
A yes Marutake again 😂
"OH YEAAAAAH" - Marutake, 2024
Omg, Marutake is my favorite in this VCR event. He's so hilarious, he made my day 😂
I love that "YEAH, COME ON!" is always said with such passion. 🤣🤣🤣
I love every reaction Kettsun made, from his Sutogura rp, FF Remake and Rebirth gameplay and now this. His genuine over the top reactions are priceless ngl.
Also Bae, probably the first ever person I am aware of who got both Eigo and Nihongo jouzu'd in the span of 2 minutes.
Quick!
Someone tell him where is Anya from!
JP? x'D
JP
Just Peanuts
JP
Forger
Marutake is a highlight of this server honestly.
These JP dudes are so relatable 😂 love this interactions with them lmao
Bro the more I see of Marutake, the more I love him.
Marutake says he don't speak Englishu, but that pronounciation and singing that Ed Sheeran song in the last clip was legit native it's amazing
Marutake are comedy MC anime, lmao
Something that's always fascinated me is how hard it is to distinguish accents in a different language. Same as I can't tell how Korone sounds different but I've seen enough clips to know she does. Meanwhile, an Australian accent stands out so strongly to me, I'd think anyone could hear it.
Same, whenever they talk about the Kansai dialect in anime I can't distinguish it, but I can distinguish between almost every dialect and accent of English.
I can tell a Mexican from a Spaniard but that's about it. Different Japanese accents are hard to pick, but then I am way beginner level. Kansai just sticks out because they say "aho" over "baka" and "honma" over "honto".
I think from intermediate proficiency it becomes quite possible to tell accents and dialects apart (at least speaking from experience with English as a second langue). Imitating accents though... There is no chance I can do that. I am stuck with my own.
Every now and then though, you’ll find someone like my brother, who although is a native English speaker, will have no idea someone has a different accent until you tell him so lol
JDON MY SOULLL😂
This is what real "nihongo jouzu" looks like 0:55
Marutake and Kettsun played off each other so hilariously, they were a perfect duo
Muratake's pronunciation is good for a Japanese though, surprisingly.
I never knew this untill now, but Danish and Japanese share a fact. There are so few of us who can speak the language, that we are really fucking hyped when we meet a none native who can speak our language fluently XD
How nice, Bae get compliments about her english from her jp friends, she should learn english more
I just smile the whole video until 3:31 makes me burst out laugh lmao
lol, never forget bae's japanese is better than miko's elite japanese hahaha. i'll never forget bae giving miko a japanese lesson on kansai dialect lololol JDON!
To be fair, Kansai-ben is really different from standard Nihongo.
imagine getting eigo jouzu’d instead of nihongo jouzu’d
She usually gets eigo jouzu'd and then nihongo jouzu'd when corrected. She can't escape the jouzu.
This is an entire arc
The part I find the funniest, other than Marutake's masterfully hilarious English, is that it took him this long to learn Bae is Australian.
is anyone keeping count of the 'nihongo-jouzu's she gets in Rust?
Actually Chinese is her 2nd language 😂
The way everyone is always pointing a gun at everyone else while having casual conversations reminds me of America.
Also, Japanese is Bae's THIRD language.
The 2nd one is what Chinese language
tbf she's better at jp than chinese. She cant read chinese.
@@random-jo5xj Cantonese.
Self-respecting American gun owners don't break the rules of firearm safety like that.
They are Gangstas
“you wanna have a conversation in english?”
*pulls out gun*
1:00 Hilarious way of being impressed yo, xd
英語に日本語字幕ついた切り抜きちょくちょくオススメ出てきて見てたけどちゃんと日本語に英語字幕ついた切り抜きも存在してるんや初めて見たw
Bae avoid HoloJP allegations challenge, difficulty level: impossible
This just reminded me to express my appreciation to the bilingual fans who make clips like these possible. Thank you!
This is so adorably wholesome, I love it
I find that this phenomenon is reasonably common. I'm born Chinese and live in Australia, I also received most of my education in Australia, though I first studied English back when I was in China. I've been told many times that I speak really good English with no accent by Australians I met in school and workplaces. I've also met Australians who studies Chinese and are capable of having conversations with me entirely in Chinese with really good pronouciation. I can't comment about their grammar because I don't actually know about Chinese grammar rules in the same way I know English or Japanese grammar rule, which I learned when studying those languages. What I observe is that people who learned a second language very well can sometimes be considered "better" at speaking that language than some native speakers. I guess that's the benefit of systematically studying a language. This is also why I don't believe in the myth about how babies can learn languages better than adults. Adults are so much better at learning new things, as long as it's done the proper way.
babies are "better at learning" new languages mainly because theyre not embarrassed to just make random mouth noises, theyre picking things up freeform without anything holding them back, while someone learning a second language isnt
People who blame age for not being able to learn a language just have a loser mindset. My mum picked up Mandarin as her 4th language at the age of 50 and she's doing great.
So when Austrailians say you don't have an accent. Does that mean you have an Austrailian accent?
@nf7694 Well, what about older foreigners? Even though they've learned how to speak & read a language, there's many that still have an accent or thick accent or have difficulty with many pronunciations properly. Are those people not putting in enough effort then?
@Ambichook That didn't seem to work with my niece. While she can understand some basics of my family's native tongue. She can't speak it. Whether she's too embarrassed to try or etc. She was exposed at a young age too, like 4 to 8 years old. My other niece though, is interested & has tried. Just not on a serious level.
She gave me oliie vibes from the start since she debuted 😭 shes literally ollie but got her full potential unlocked
"Wow you're English is so fluent."
"I mean, it's my native tongue..."
"EEEEEHHHHHH"
"Look at Marutake his Japanese is so bad"
Bae: "Eeehhh... some day i will introduce you a certain shrine maiden who well..."
A bancho and an elite shrine maiden that broke Bae for a solid 10 minutes... XD
@@crayishikara oh yes bancho! i forgot about her xD
@@pobeditelli still not sure which is harder to understand sometimes... xD
@@crayishikara throw in a baby princess and we're golden
Poor Bae, she got exposed being an Australian then got _nihongo mechakuccha umai'd._ She will never escape the JP allegations xD
They're the true duo comedians. Making Bae laughed so hard. JDON their souls 🙏🙏
Now this was the perfect comedy trifecta.
Kettsun: I mean look at Marutake, his Japanese is so bad~
*BANG*
Kettsun: Ow! That hurts!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Im an Aussie, and I used to study Japanese at school, was one of the best students, but I’ve already forgotten most of it :( might need to try to re-learn it, genuinely love the language! Also love hearing the Aussie accent come out at 3:48
"how to get eigo and nihongo jouzu'd at the same time"
this has to be like, the absolute best compliment you can receive about a second language.
So is this what JP think of English speakers?
I see
There is a weird cultural thing among some Japanese people that has still managed to stick around. Many of them view being able to speak Japanese as something that only Japanese people are capable of, so there is always a shock when they find out someone that isn’t Japanese can speak it so natively.
I’ve experienced and know of people that are just like Bae and often people assume they are Japanese on the phone or online, but in person some Japanese will look at them like they are speaking gibberish when they try to talk to them in Japanese because they don’t look Japanese. Like, their brain can’t comprehend a non Japanese person speaking nearly perfect Japanese, so it just shuts down and pretends it can’t hear anything, lol.
As long as you can hold a conversation with them and be respectful, they'll think you're good no matter how bad your Japanese is. I can only speak like a first-grade student and the staff I talk to at a shop compliment me anyway, kind of a weird feeling lol.
@@PaulNapkinds Bad Japanese is actually in some ways easier to get by with as a foreigner sometimes in Japan, especially in rural areas. People there EXPECT your Japanese to be bad, so they know to try to listen real hard to try to understand, or they just ignore you and try to talk to anyone you're with who looks Japanese instead. Even if that person doesn't speak any Japanese at all.
Again, this isn't everyone, and it's a fading thing that used to be a lot worse, with globalization a lot more people there are acclimating and understanding that speaking Japanese isn't some genetic thing that only Japanese people can accomplish anymore.
I got "Nohongo jozued" in my Australian village for accidentally saying "daijoubu" to some tourists that cut in line at a local cafe.
I haven't even got to Japan yet.
But Japanese is a pretty difficult language, speaking isn't really the hard bit, it is listening and reading and writing.
My hirgana looks like a little kid trying to write.
This is a certified "mind blown" moment for those two right there
its funny that when they speak english it sounds like they are rapping freestyle.
Man the rust streams always warm my heart no matter who's involved
I love seeing the newer JP gens first interactions with EN since they all get blown away with their Japanese 😅
Hahaha 😂😂 did she them about our drop bears ? 🤣😂
Oh my god when I wanted to translate "himadesu" to English the first word that came to me was "langweilich desu" I'm beyond saving at this point
Loving Bae's eigo ga jozu desune arc lmao
her nihongo is so jouzu they eigo jouzu'd her this shit is locked for most people lol
Bae found the boys club xD
I swear Kettsun and Marutake, when they spoke in english, it sounded like rappers
Bae : they should be proud of me
Kettsun : e ?
x'D that faint e hits me .. its so funny
Bae, Calli and Anya when meet JP streamer(s): *Ah shat here we go again*
That's some serious Passion English right there lmao.
1:06 bro literally went from 🚙 to 🏎
Same as eilte miko
When Bae talk to them in English she's having American accent is hilarious xDD
bae is amazing holojp.
marutake and kettsun nice praise.
Every time this happens it feels like Bae is the embodiment of a Dōgen skit, right down to the まだまだです xD
My Australian Rat Can't Be This Good At Japanese
My boi Marutake out here getting the Elite treatment XD
LMAO i spit my drink allover my monitor
Bae's japanese speaking at the very least, makes me who has a JLPT N1 lying around somewhere, want to dig a hole and never come out again.
If it makes you feel better, she also has an N1.
this is solid content
Hahahah I love JP streamers when they meet a foreigner 😆
I can't wait for him to discover that Bae is a comedian from Hololive.
this whole saga of marutake slowly finding out more about bae has been hilarious
the legionnaire is flabbergasted
These guys give me serious 3 stooges vibes xD Great comedy trio
Oi! Marutake didn't even know your boss was Australian? 🤣
I don't know why but Marutake and Pururu just brings this group together. Every group needs a couple of comedians.
i love how when you switch to english you can hear that aussie accent instantly 😂
LMAO ok that was gold when her friend Marutake shows up and had no idea too,
Tengoku goes from Nihongo to Aussie in 0 to 100 when she speaks English too lol
Literally couldn’t escape it the whole time 😂