My jaw about hit the floor when I first saw Cal's ingenious frankenstein guitar that makes this possible, that's some serious 200 IQ shit. I followed this project closely and I'm so damn happy that he was able to pull it off, it's a well-deserved accolade.
@@rastas_4221 that would be modded software though. Modding the guitar is literally the only way that this song can be FCed on NTSC on unmodded software.
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 damn you didn't listen what the video said. It's impossible bro without slight modification and he confused the system to think it's a xbox360 controller, and you still think it's cheating. That's like me plugged in my mouse and keyboard to my Xbox so I can can play PC games like wtf are you trying to say
2:47 Clarification: Some parts of Japan use NTSC, namely the western half, while others use PAL, but software was generally developed under NTSC, and standardization started to switch to 60Hz around the time PAL60 became a thing: which was coincidentally during the PlayStation 2 era since hardware was no longer just raw-downclocked for 50Hz rendering.
@@zavtparticles That's because first instalations were done by two separate firms: in 1895 German AEG (50 Hz) started in Tokyo, year later - American GE (60 Hz) started in Osaka. Later their systems were developed and finally, when it become nationalwide - costs of changing it were far too big. And decades later tsunami hitted in Fukushima nuclear power plant, as a result of wave almost half of Japan lost their power and second half couldn't help them but that's another story...
Absolutely genius to basically force "gamepad mode" with a non-guitar pcb/chip or whatever, but make the strum bar trigger the fret presses. I'm honestly blown away.
ngl i clicked on this video only anticipating to watch the first 2 minutes because i have stuff to do right now but the pacing, editing, and story telling of the video kept me engaged the ENTIRE time (whoops). what an absolute banger video 11/10
I remember back in the day arguing with LocalH and Fyighfreak on whether Obsidian was possible to FC, and Scott said himself "The only FC that is truly impossible is Trogdor on NTSC." this is definitely one of those accomplishments where along with being an iconic fc, it's a "mystery solved" type situation with how an fc like this could happen.
This is just crazy. How the hell do you come up with something like that? The GH community must be really dedicated to create this Frankenstein monstrosity for the sole purpose of getting an FC on a single song.
Amazing. I remember the debate on the Scorehero forums like, almost fifteen years ago, about the possibility of this. One question that remains: why exactly is that condition in the code about the guitar controllers implying a strum limit? What purpose does that serve?
There is no definite answer because Harmonix quite literally denied the existence of the strum limit and pretty much told people to get better at the game and stop coping (there's an interview somewhere on youtube, it's pretty hilarious in retrospect). Many believe it was implemented in the early phase where the controllers used for testing might not have been very reliable. It would effectively prevent overstrums on bad hardware. It's just a theory but it seems the most viable.
Did the strum bars on early hardware have Schmitt triggers or debouncing capacitors? If not, it would make sense to have a strum limit like that. Instead of retooling the hardware, retool the software.
Back in the day we used to take non dualshock ps1 controllers and modify them into broken guitars because the up and down could be used as strum. Literally never once thought it was a beneficial thing other than just being able to play the game. As a 14 year old I didn't have money for guitars, so if a guitar died, I did whatever it took to play. It's wild to see all these years later there's a real reason to use it
This is insane. I hadn't heard that this FC happened, but I was around the GH community back in the day and knew that it was labeled as impossible. Absolutely nuts to know that it actually got taken down.
I know this video is two years old at this point, but sometimes I think about this and wish rock band 1 had controller support for guitar so some psychopath could try and do Green Grass and High Tides NTCS like this
God, GH2 was the best. I remember when it was gradually discovered that this was impossible on NTSC. So frustrating. So many of the top players like Lo7 or HellAshes had 63/64 FCs due to this song (I THINK that Lo7 got Beast and the Harlot, but don’t quote me on that).
@@SanicStudios Think he meant spamming solo buttons along with strumming normaly [so id ugess holding top fret, strumming, and spamming solo buttons tho i only see a 3 armed person doing that]
@@SanicStudios If you didn't know on the Strat guitars from rockband, the small row of frets are called "solo frets" and those work the same as a controller during solo sections (you only need to tap them)
6:26 I'm one of the idiots who wasted hours on this solo. got to around the last note of the "human limit" zone on NTSC twice in MANY hours of attempts. At the time, I couldn't understand why this solo was so hard.
This is interesting, in my case I wanted to add an autostrum button to my ps2 controller just for fun but I didn't know how to, and I guess he would know how.
If you play clone hero, there is a setting called gamepad mode (same menu as note speed) which is essentially this (though I believe it behaves like GH3 and not GH2, there are differences in what can and cannot be done between the two).
My first guitar hero was 2, and in my opinion Guitar hero 2 is the greatest guitar hero game ever made. I own every main title guitar hero game from GH1 all the way up to WOR and everything between, while GH3 is considered the best and have improved from gh2 greatly. I would still say that gh2 is my personal favorite since the songs are way better and hitting notes were a bit more satisfying.
My jaw about hit the floor when I first saw Cal's ingenious frankenstein guitar that makes this possible, that's some serious 200 IQ shit. I followed this project closely and I'm so damn happy that he was able to pull it off, it's a well-deserved accolade.
so did his
He cheated 🤦♂️
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 proof?
@@rastas_4221 that would be modded software though. Modding the guitar is literally the only way that this song can be FCed on NTSC on unmodded software.
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 damn you didn't listen what the video said.
It's impossible bro without slight modification and he confused the system to think it's a xbox360 controller, and you still think it's cheating. That's like me plugged in my mouse and keyboard to my Xbox so I can can play PC games like wtf are you trying to say
To put into perspective how long it took for this to be accomplished:
GH2 is older than somebody who just got the 2nd ever Soulless 6 FC lol
The work behind the FC itself is just as, if not more impressive than the FC itself imo
Nope. The skill is more impressive. One man did what an entire community couldn’t.
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 Nope. Wrong.
@@notmac1853 Oh to the contrary, I’m 100% objectively right.
@@patstaysuckafreeboss8006 calling a community bad because they couldn't do something that wasnt humanly possible is pretty stupid lmao
2:47 Clarification: Some parts of Japan use NTSC, namely the western half, while others use PAL, but software was generally developed under NTSC, and standardization started to switch to 60Hz around the time PAL60 became a thing: which was coincidentally during the PlayStation 2 era since hardware was no longer just raw-downclocked for 50Hz rendering.
Japan also has the thing where they use different electrical rates in different areas, like whyyyyyyyy
@@zavtparticles That's because first instalations were done by two separate firms: in 1895 German AEG (50 Hz) started in Tokyo, year later - American GE (60 Hz) started in Osaka. Later their systems were developed and finally, when it become nationalwide - costs of changing it were far too big.
And decades later tsunami hitted in Fukushima nuclear power plant, as a result of wave almost half of Japan lost their power and second half couldn't help them but that's another story...
Man. I’m really sitting here, listening to this esoteric guitar hero history and completely immersed in it, as per usual. Kudos once again 🙏
Cool pfp
@@monkeyjumbo48 appreciative of the image you know where it’s from
Is your username a tool reference? 😎
@@TheUsefulxIdiot yessirrrrr
How's it esoteric its literally explained in full
You know you've made it when Etienne makes a documentary of your accomplishment. Amazing video for a mind-boggling FC.
Im astonished someone would FC an impossible song like that, even more considering the guitabomination created. Just legendary.
Absolutely genius to basically force "gamepad mode" with a non-guitar pcb/chip or whatever, but make the strum bar trigger the fret presses. I'm honestly blown away.
17:17 The "WHAT?!" every gamer can relate to.
the fact that cal could even kinda play with that controller is impressive by itself lmao
Excellent explanation! It's nice to hear the full details of the grind.
ngl i clicked on this video only anticipating to watch the first 2 minutes because i have stuff to do right now but
the pacing, editing, and story telling of the video kept me engaged the ENTIRE time (whoops). what an absolute banger video 11/10
Cal is our lord and savior
Good video to get your mind off the Schmooey betrayal
I hope your channel explodes man. This was a great watch. Top tier gaming documentary.
I remember back in the day arguing with LocalH and Fyighfreak on whether Obsidian was possible to FC, and Scott said himself "The only FC that is truly impossible is Trogdor on NTSC."
this is definitely one of those accomplishments where along with being an iconic fc, it's a "mystery solved" type situation with how an fc like this could happen.
This is just crazy. How the hell do you come up with something like that? The GH community must be really dedicated to create this Frankenstein monstrosity for the sole purpose of getting an FC on a single song.
Just keep proving you're the best and most dedicated rhythm game content creator. Keep it up my man
Amazing. I remember the debate on the Scorehero forums like, almost fifteen years ago, about the possibility of this. One question that remains: why exactly is that condition in the code about the guitar controllers implying a strum limit? What purpose does that serve?
There is no definite answer because Harmonix quite literally denied the existence of the strum limit and pretty much told people to get better at the game and stop coping (there's an interview somewhere on youtube, it's pretty hilarious in retrospect). Many believe it was implemented in the early phase where the controllers used for testing might not have been very reliable. It would effectively prevent overstrums on bad hardware. It's just a theory but it seems the most viable.
@@AbyssionQC but weirdly enough the strum limit is also present in early Rock Band games, maybe they were worried about easy over strumming
I don't think they intentionally left the strum limit when they reused the engine to make Rock Band.
Did the strum bars on early hardware have Schmitt triggers or debouncing capacitors? If not, it would make sense to have a strum limit like that. Instead of retooling the hardware, retool the software.
It's likely there to eliminate phantom overstrums caused by shoddy hardware.
That guitar-fightpad frankencontroller is just GENIUS! And the video editing is top-notch!
Back in the day we used to take non dualshock ps1 controllers and modify them into broken guitars because the up and down could be used as strum. Literally never once thought it was a beneficial thing other than just being able to play the game. As a 14 year old I didn't have money for guitars, so if a guitar died, I did whatever it took to play. It's wild to see all these years later there's a real reason to use it
All the support for guitar hero content, keep doing great work yo :D classic gh2 strum limit
i remember when the fc was uploaded, i was in complete shock lol. great video
this editing is immaculate holy shit
it kinda reminds me of asumsaus
@@skylersop i thought the same
You really make the best rhythm game breakdown videos man, keep up the good work!
We now interrupt score progression: soulless 4 to show you the best guitar hero fc you’ve never heard of
Wow, I remember super in depth discussions about this on SH back in the day. Awesome the community came up with that solution to solve that issue!
Love these FC documentary videos!
banger vid as always
Fantastic video! Always love when you cover CH / GH content.
Etienne video on a cold rainy day, you bless me.
haven't even watch 2 seconds in and i already know it's sixstringcal's trogdor 360 fc lol
Imagine the nerves trying to fc this classic impossible Trogdor (NTSC) chart
This is insane. I hadn't heard that this FC happened, but I was around the GH community back in the day and knew that it was labeled as impossible. Absolutely nuts to know that it actually got taken down.
GREAT VID you're doing the lord's work. rhythm game records are HYPE
Your vids give me trun down for walt vibes. Thank you for all you do for our comunity
What a legend. Wish I was in this community sooner, but never too late yeah? Cheers
Thanks for the reminder that I have 3rd place on Trogdor! Gotta get that first place soon.
Amazing! I love these GH history videos!
"Apparently, Trogdor comes at 3:11"
someone watches asumsamus :D you converted it great with your editing style
Lol i remember playing jordan with 360 controller and 5 people one person per button
The edit upgraded
14:43 free f2l pair
16:18 Me watching this after 181280128 notelocks in Osu:
*i know that feel bro*
I hope I don't see a trend of speedruns starting with an explanation done in a sea of wires and dismantled electronics for electrocution percent.
Having heard of this FC makes me feel like a true connasour of GH
Connoisseur 🤦🏽
@@user-jk6rp5xh3n kawneusewer
welcome back
This is so awesome! I definitely didn't expect this FC.
SixstringCal doesn't believe in no win scenarios.
that wire looks worse than octopus wire
Crazy acai recently just FC’d this too
on PAL.
The first time I heard this song was through theDooo, I never knew it had such a history in rhythm games
I fucking love Calvin
Absolute madlad
I know this video is two years old at this point, but sometimes I think about this and wish rock band 1 had controller support for guitar so some psychopath could try and do Green Grass and High Tides NTCS like this
I knew what song it was from the thumbnail but assumed the video would be about PAL. Kind of in disbelief right now that this happened.
I'm so glad I guessed it was Trogdor before the video kicked off
Ages ago I managed a -1 on the solo in practice, since it was impossible to do any better I was happy with that.
15:54 Etienne playing some melee lets goooooo
3:17 very small correction: it's a 16.6666 (rounded to 17)% difference, since it runs at 5/6 the framerate
God, GH2 was the best. I remember when it was gradually discovered that this was impossible on NTSC. So frustrating. So many of the top players like Lo7 or HellAshes had 63/64 FCs due to this song (I THINK that Lo7 got Beast and the Harlot, but don’t quote me on that).
Oh so that's what Schmooey's guitar looks like
i saw this fc thx to the clone hero rewind
2021
is something like that possible with rockband solo frets? AFAIK GGaHT still un-fced on NTSC
No. Rock Band (guitar) can't be played with a controller. All regular gamepads are used for vocals. This solution wouldn't work.
@@SanicStudios Think he meant spamming solo buttons along with strumming normaly [so id ugess holding top fret, strumming, and spamming solo buttons tho i only see a 3 armed person doing that]
@@SanicStudios If you didn't know on the Strat guitars from rockband, the small row of frets are called "solo frets" and those work the same as a controller during solo sections (you only need to tap them)
what a legend
I feel like I'm having deja vu...
Wow, that's amazing, but I still don't understand Harmonix's desire to implement Strum Limit in almost all of their games.
Nice video
Very nice
@@FkFraps very very nice
@@V0lt1j Very very very nice
@@obeliusx very very very very nice
That padhack guitar is sick.
Love my gamepad brothers
6:26
I'm one of the idiots who wasted hours on this solo. got to around the last note of the "human limit" zone on NTSC twice in MANY hours of attempts. At the time, I couldn't understand why this solo was so hard.
fuego!
Was this that fc that you were hinting at near the end of the gh2 score progression?
just realized you changed your pfp
anyways great video. i need to get back into gh and ch
Thus is great
The legend
This is interesting, in my case I wanted to add an autostrum button to my ps2 controller just for fun but I didn't know how to, and I guess he would know how.
new ettiene video lets fuckking goo
So this controller made gameplay somewhat of a weird hybrid of all strums and all taps. Interesting. . .
If you play clone hero, there is a setting called gamepad mode (same menu as note speed) which is essentially this (though I believe it behaves like GH3 and not GH2, there are differences in what can and cannot be done between the two).
All of this happened because Kaizer from California wanted to see an internet cartoon character draw a dragon. Humanity is amazing, actually.
Does this mean its possible to patch a Guitar Hero 2 ISO with the strum limit removed for guitar controllers? That would be legendary.
*_TROOGDOOOOOAAARRRRRR!!!!_*
Love the random DK64 music in this video 😆
14:47 is that a valk
QiYi MS
Yoooo Melee 😳💪
My first guitar hero was 2, and in my opinion Guitar hero 2 is the greatest guitar hero game ever made. I own every main title guitar hero game from GH1 all the way up to WOR and everything between, while GH3 is considered the best and have improved from gh2 greatly. I would still say that gh2 is my personal favorite since the songs are way better and hitting notes were a bit more satisfying.
when does the dreaming part come in
TROGDOR!!!!
TROGDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@V0lt1j Trogdor was a man!
@@stuntboy0372 i mean he was a dragon man
@Voltij or maybe he was just a dragon...
@@DerpyTheShreddingProto but he’s still TROGDOOOOOOOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about the parallell universes?
the first FC i think about is the Soulless 6 FC
heard of it
I thought you knew there was no strum limit on gamepad?
Thinking space
and the trogdor comes in the night
Pyrocynical reference in the title
Is it possible to fc this on a controller?
the DK64 vibes are real
jokes on you, ive heard of trogdor
Could this not be performed on something like an arcade stick then?