I was in love with the looks of this until I snapped back to reality at the end with the RHC allez sprint in the background. still cant get over that damn colorway for some reason 😅
Namaste 🙏 gc ,that is gud bike 👌,when is comparison video come about this and foil rc20? And can you give your views about merida reacto 5000 bike if possible????
I think the only problem with this bike, is the recommended servicing interval time. Seriously, 500km interval servicing time because the seatpost needs to be checked? That’s crazy. Other that that, it’s a sick bike. Would have sprang for one if it wasn’t for that caveat.
I’m in the bike industry like you and it is refreshing to watch a guy who spoke with is experience in mind… not like all the internet/forum specialist out there! Thumbs up to you!!
Thank you very much for this, I feel like the modern bikes get such hate from the “internet crowd” but for the people just getting into this sport, this is all new knowledge to them
Schwalbe is a german company founded by Ralf Bohle in the 70ies. He started with importing tires from Korea to Germany, those back then were named after the bird Swallow which symbolises luck in Korea apart from representing nature, being free and speed, so he just translated it to german: Schwalbe. I know native english speakers hate the Sch sounds, like in Porsche too :)
My 2011 CAAD 10 weighs 16 lbs. My 2021 BMC SLR01 weighs 17 lbs. The BMC is faster, climbs better, descends better, brakes better, shifts better, sucks when it runs out of batteries 😂.
That's a beautiful color. A really great price too. Someone should tell TREK,CANNONDALE,SPECIALIZED,etc,. to learn something from Scott. I just ordered the Foil RC 10.
Bro, what a banger of a bike. Down the line, you upgrade those wheels for a deep dish like a 45 or 50mm wheel you are in flying colors. I recently got a recent Di2 aero bike, and it makes such a difference in the pacing I'm doing and how consistent I am with my speed as of rn. I honestly think weight is in debate for a lot of people, and I'm also kinda sick of making comparisons because it's always a vicious cycle for both sides of the arguement. But my stance is, is HOW you use the carbon and where it's placed, but there needs logic behind it too. I think people need to realize that companies are thinking differently of how they're using aerodynamics for bikes now, so it'll naturally end up having more material. Great video btw, GC!!!
Installing a front aero wheel is highly dangerous against riding in windy conditions like a highway or coastline or bridge crossing. More so than a rear disc wheel as it takes tremendous wind force to budge a rear wheel.
It's bang for the buck, 12spd electronic and you can save a full lb. by upgrading wheels, cassette, and crankset later on. I got 2021 Merida Reacto 6000 for sub $3k 11 spd and did just that and got it down to 17lbs. also has a seatpost cutout for absorbing vibrations runs up to 32c tires. The downside is no authorized US dealer...
Schwalbe is a German company shwal-ba is the pronunciation! I think the $5k price is basically the pre-covid $3k range & explains the weight along with the aero/low end groupset.
That’s one slick bike. So funny I came across this video. I had a 2012 super light Pinarello and traded it in for a modern day aero bike and the aero bike absolutes smoked all the times I ever did on my old lighter bike. I got slaughtered for saying that. You actually need a bit of extra weight to help push through the air. My advice is get an aero bike and make it as light as possible to get the best of both worlds. Best thing you will ever do
Thank you!!! People don’t understand, it is a marginal significant advantage. It’s not just about number of speed. But the amount of energy saved while at those speed that allows you to be faster
what is the weight on those wheels and tyre combo? Would be a good inside, if you put some elite or winspace wheels and show us the weigth on the upgrade.
Pinellas Trail, Felt Broam --- 25 lbs plus add-ons, $1400 ... for some reason the fancy bikes on uphills slow down a LOT around here, ez to pass on hills , hard to stay within 50 yards on the flat ( but quite do-able) . Runner background may be a factor.
great looking bike - for the seat post, it's looks like it would be difficult to mount the Garmin Varia which is the gold standard & go to product for most people wanting a rear light/radar/camera.
New Aero frame, 105 Di2, HMX carbon layout for $4,800!!!? I'm sold! my wife has the 2022 Scott Addict 30 in that same color and she loves it! she just saw this video with me and now she wants a Foil lol 😂 great video GC Performance!
Oh btw. I wonder if you're interested in reviewing custom handlebars like the coefficient for e.g or any other high quality upgrade parts like carbon wheels. I think that would be an interesting addition to full bikes alone. Great channel so far! It's always good looking forward to your clips frequently. 👍
I can understand your frustration about people commenting on modern bike weights and I also think it's pretty pointless as well. The 105 di2 braking system doesn't have servo wave, Ultegra and Dura Ace have it. That's the first difference. Secondly you can't attach satellite shifters to the 105 shifter's, you can with Ultegra and Dura Ace. Thirdly the 105 shifters don't have the function buttons on the top of the shifters like the Ultegra and Dura Ace shifter's.
For a bit less than 5000€, you have the cube litening c68x race. It’s considered as an aero bike, it has 50mm Newmen wheels, full shimano ultegra and wheigts 7,5kg. I mean for 200€ i would make my choice quickly but i know it is also a matter of preference for everyone. The scott is absolutely a banger with some bigger wheels
the cude is sick but it is limited to wear it is sold, if it was offered world wide I would show a ton more of cube, I like the bikes alot but for all viewers, I think it is not fair to mention if you can only buy the bike in one are
You get a 980 gram HMX frame, Scott's top tier carbon. A Madone SL6 gen 7 costs way more and has a 1200 gram frame from their basic OCLV 500. A Merida Reacto at this price point has a 1170 gram CF3 frame. Again, their cheaper, heavier carbon. This bike has a heart of gold, well worth future upgrades. Even the new Madone SLR frame weighs 1050 grams, and the frameset costs more than this Foil RC 30.
For sure, wow, that's a deal, that bike under five grand. And not to argue but I don't think the bar/stem is chunky in any way. Maybe in comparison to the tippy top of the line components you see and install daily, but it looks mighty modern to me. Thanks for the look-see at this, I like it, not sure, however, it is any lighter and faster than a vintage Sears Free Spirit 10-speed. 😀
I'm fat af an aero bike is just added speed migth that be on a hill or on a flat, a 2 kg difference ain't gonna do nothing when i'm 94kg myself. Aero is king, but i love the look on the lightweight bikes the most like the emonda, scultura, SL7 or my favorite the focus izalco
Looks awesome but an aero bike really needs deeper rims on those wheels even if it's the cheapest version. I guess that would make the price higher than they wanted. The frigging website don't say what the stem and crank lengths are.
I just put a compact Dura Ace 9200 crank on my Cannondale Systemsix. When you're climbing Haleakala or Mt Ventoux it helps (done both on it)! Great looking Scott Foil (save for those alloy wheels).
My 2014 SuperSix weighs……. Sorry just had to 😂😂😂😂 The only thing I wish is that the aero 105 bikes would come with a more compact cassette. 11-34 is a hill climbers cassette really. But obviously that can be switched out and I believe that’s the only stock 105 Di2 option?! Edit: Should have waited to post until the end of the video where I now know you called out the gearing as well 😊
Have multiple bikes and weight is never a factor on flat terrain. Speaking of weight my favorite bike is heavy 22lbs with heavy alloy wheels and a non-carbon fork. But it's so comfortable that I don't care if I'm slow on climbs. Not a racer or club rider. Weight don't matter outside of competitive rides
This versus SystemSix? I love that Cannondale threw everything they had to make the SysSix as FAST AS POSSIBLE, but people say it rides harsh. I don't hear that about the Foil.
Great video with a lot of great points, Put this monster next to a Soyboy LW, and see the watt and rpm difference at 42km/h, thats where aero's imo really come into their own at these high speeds and how little watts are needed to maintain those speeds once attained. Can always make an Aero as light as a LW....You cannot however make a LW frame Aero.... Give me an extra kg or two if it means an extra 5-10km/h any day of the week.
Most these guys saying their 2009 trek weighs less don't even push enough power or try hard enough to make a 1kg difference matter. They're the cycling world equivalent to 4 banger honda civics
Another great vid, keep up the good work. Do you feel the same way about the Addict 30 and it's value for money..? In 1973 Ralf Bohle imported bicycle tires from Korea to Germany for the first time. These were called Swallow. In these days, Germany was the biggest and most important market. For this reason “swallow” was translated into German, i.e. Schwalbe. In Korea the tiny little bird is a traditional sign of good luck. For us it symbolizes that cycling is a wonderful way of moving: fast, light-hearted, with confidence, naturally and free. Swallow tires are in fact still available today. Our partner company HungA distributes them mainly in Asian countries. The Schwalbe brand is, however, a name which is more well-known all over the world.
thats not a bad weight for heavier wheels and 105 stuff, could always upgrade later and make it a bit lighter, most important is the weight of the rider and power output, put a v12 engine on there thats lean and it will kill
Love the color and I agree with you about the weight vs aero debate (at least for Florida-I would never get one in California though)-disagree about wheels vs handlebars and stem though. Aero handlebars barely make much of a difference so they are more of a luxury item and some people opt for alloy stems over carbon because they're sometimes stronger. However, the fact that they include such thin wheels on a bike this focused on aero is not great. Probably less aero than some of the "lightweight aero" bikes with similar body positioning now. Those wheels are essentially the same as the ones I got on a new Scott which was a third of the price of this just a couple of years ago. Granted the rest of the bike was obviously lower-spec but it was still carbon with 10-speed Tiagra-they could at least go for some basic 50mm carbon rims on this one even if they have to go up to 5500.
I'm here in California and I agree, definitely not an aero bike to ride here. More than 85% of riders I see here all ride climbing bikes and shallow carbon wheels around 35-45mm max. The terrain is a mix of flat, hills and mountain depending your area. Every group and club riders I see ride shallow wheels and 50/50 aero frame but for sure 45mm is the deepest I see here in my local area.
I experienced your point about new (aero)bikes first hand. My 2014 Time Scylon with rim brakes weights 6,8kgs. Its an aero frame with an aero bar and deep wheels with 23c tires. Last summer I bought a standard Giant TCR with disc brakes and alloy wheels. Weighting a wopping 8,7 kgs. But when I started riding it I was actually faster on the Giant. The bike is stiffer, had more comfort and handles alot better.
I know when you order a Factor you have the option to choose the wheel depth, crank arm length, stem length & bar width regardless of the frame size. I’m not sure if Scott offers the same.
@@wallacelau-c9q Foil will almost for sure be faster aero-wise. Probably not by much since frame choice doesn't make a huge difference but the way they kept the wheel close to the frame at the back, the thick bb area, and the more aggressive position help it out
@@GCPerformance18 Cool thanks mate, i might as well start saving up for the Hyper 45 wheels so hopefully i can bring down the weight a little bit on the rc 30
Beautiful, beautiful bike bro, don’t worry about them comments, people sometimes just like to talk, we love you too man, nice saddle action btw….lol…love your shenanigans brother…lol
the addict would be a better climbing bike for sure, it is more of there all rounder, so for hills it would be more snappier and lively on the climbs because this has deeper aero cuts it is more harder to get it going on climbs and more suitable for flats
My friend’s Tri bike weighs almost 10 kg, yet he is the fastest guy in my local loop. Heck, every time he goes for his bike training for triathlon (solo ride), the rest of us just ride behind him, making a long single-file peloton, to get a higher average speed, LOL. 😛
You can buy a more aero rim brake bike for far less. Weight doesn’t make much difference in hills. 3w per kg on a 9%. It makes a difference to how nimble the bike is. A Giant Propel is faster than a Systemsix, which is similar to this, it’s also a kg lighter. Aero figures actually mean very little in a race. Most of the time you are in a Pelaton and there’s no difference. It only matters if you are on the front or in the first few wheels. Far less than is touted. Those bars are also very wide. That makes a big difference in making it slower. They need to be banged in. It would be like riding an MTB for me.
I think you meant to say supersix. Systemsix is one of the top fastest road frames with canyon aeroad coming right after. Felt ar, specialized venge vias, post 2020 cervelo s5 are the top dogs of aero road frames with the lowest drag coefficients without diving into tt bike uci territory. Giant propel and canyon aeroad are almost identical in CDA.
I wish all bike bolts were torx. I've rounded a few hex fittings over the years... which wouldn't have happened if they were torx. While we're at it, get rid of all crosshead and flathead screw fittings.
Hi, a Schwalbe is a swallow in German. These were tires imported to Germany from an asian company called swallow. The owner just translated it... It´s pronounced in the begiinning like shwing and an hard e at the end ;)
Schwalbe is just the German word for a swallow, the bird. Also, RE: hills - it has to be a fairly significant climb, think Mont Ventoux or Alpe d'Huez, before weight takes precedence over aero. Weight is a nice metric because you can easily measure it, but why do people think the pros use modern aero bikes on all the mountain stages of the Tour?
lol u straight up negating the potential negative comments 😁. That was quite new to this channel i guess XD. I guess this frame is more for people who use it as a base to upgrade! custom carbon wheels, probably looks better to lower the stems and maybe a few other goodies here and there
5000$ crazy expensive there is no carbon wheels , just 105 , no power meter on this price point ? Yes agree weight is not everything but with pedals and other accesories will be very close to 9kg that same or more then gravel bike .. For half of this price you can build very good bike with better components .....
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
Right? I have an aero bike bike I can't compete against climbing bikes my friends have. They're so fast at flats even though I should have the advantage. It's simply because I'm not fit enough.
@@adccars359 I quit racing a few years ago after 30 years. Made it to 2 Olympic Trials and 6 National championships! But I never had.more than 1 bike at a time. Fitness is 97% of the sport.
This is a non argument. If both have the same strength then the bike dictates the winner. These fit arguments are dumb af Bike is not connected to the rider
I drop guys on these bikes all the time. Don't buy aero guys, but a Bafang BBSHD mid drive motor and 52V battery and mount it on an aluminum road bike with less aggressive riding position. Anybody on one of these aero bikes has nothing over 30 mph. And...wait for it....a 1700 watt bike with no rider...add your watts as well...is cheaper than this bike without a motor. Of course you have to have my expertise to build it. Biggest reason to own/build a high power ebike even if you come from the competitive world of cycling like I do? You can stay in zone 2 heartrate which has the greatest health benefits. Riding at higher speeds translates to burning more glycogen aka carbs aka sugar and carbs aren't good for you. Zone 2 you are in fat burning which makes you leaner which could make GC a 175 lb rider and not 200 lbs. GC and I are the same height. Playing with you GC. I just don't see why you have to kill yourself to go 30 mph on this Scott when in stark contrast if speaking of technology to make you fast, you don't have to on a powerful e-roadbike that you don't need huge saddle to bar drop and sit on your nuts spoiling the ride with less sta and getting out of the wind which is essential above 25mph without a motor.
What if you make a bike including Scott or cervelo seat tube, cervelo y shape stem connect to ribble ultre dropbar, trek isoflow, Bianchi aero ferings, orbea orca battle cage under downtube, dogma fork😂😂😂
im teling you right now, it is getting this way lol, there is only os much they can do to a bike now they are just taking the good parts form other bike companies and putting there spin on it
@@GCPerformance18 yah haha the only upgrade they will make is when uci make an update in a regulation😂 haha just i was thinking about di2 they are literally waiting for another year or two to release a complete wireless groupset
Lets hear them...... "$5000 dollar bike 8kg!!!!!, my 2009 clapped out trek madone rim brake bike weighs 6kgs and feels like im riding a loose horse"
@GC Performance soon to be seen on Influencers in the wild 😉
Can you post some pics with a disc wheel in the back? That would be sick!!!
I was in love with the looks of this until I snapped back to reality at the end with the RHC allez sprint in the background. still cant get over that damn colorway for some reason 😅
Namaste 🙏 gc ,that is gud bike 👌,when is comparison video come about this and foil rc20? And can you give your views about merida reacto 5000 bike if possible????
I think the only problem with this bike, is the recommended servicing interval time.
Seriously, 500km interval servicing time because the seatpost needs to be checked? That’s crazy.
Other that that, it’s a sick bike. Would have sprang for one if it wasn’t for that caveat.
I’m in the bike industry like you and it is refreshing to watch a guy who spoke with is experience in mind… not like all the internet/forum specialist out there! Thumbs up to you!!
Thank you very much for this, I feel like the modern bikes get such hate from the “internet crowd” but for the people just getting into this sport, this is all new knowledge to them
Schwalbe is a german company founded by Ralf Bohle in the 70ies. He started with importing tires from Korea to Germany, those back then were named after the bird Swallow which symbolises luck in Korea apart from representing nature, being free and speed, so he just translated it to german: Schwalbe. I know native english speakers hate the Sch sounds, like in Porsche too :)
My 2011 CAAD 10 weighs 16 lbs. My 2021 BMC SLR01 weighs 17 lbs. The BMC is faster, climbs better, descends better, brakes better, shifts better, sucks when it runs out of batteries 😂.
Alright but caad 10 is still an amazing ride for the price 🥰🥰
@@hopfag6555 that’s why I keep it around.
howd you get your caad 10 to weigh 16 lbs? mine weighs like 17-18
That's a beautiful color. A really great price too. Someone should tell TREK,CANNONDALE,SPECIALIZED,etc,. to learn something from Scott. I just ordered the Foil RC 10.
Scott does a great job by replacing Allen key bolts for Torx, it really prevents damaging the bolts. And Schwalbe is German for the bird Swallow.
Bro, what a banger of a bike. Down the line, you upgrade those wheels for a deep dish like a 45 or 50mm wheel you are in flying colors. I recently got a recent Di2 aero bike, and it makes such a difference in the pacing I'm doing and how consistent I am with my speed as of rn. I honestly think weight is in debate for a lot of people, and I'm also kinda sick of making comparisons because it's always a vicious cycle for both sides of the arguement. But my stance is, is HOW you use the carbon and where it's placed, but there needs logic behind it too. I think people need to realize that companies are thinking differently of how they're using aerodynamics for bikes now, so it'll naturally end up having more material. Great video btw, GC!!!
Installing a front aero wheel is highly dangerous against riding in windy conditions like a highway or coastline or bridge crossing.
More so than a rear disc wheel as it takes tremendous wind force to budge a rear wheel.
It's bang for the buck, 12spd electronic and you can save a full lb. by upgrading wheels, cassette, and crankset later on. I got 2021 Merida Reacto 6000 for sub $3k 11 spd and did just that and got it down to 17lbs. also has a seatpost cutout for absorbing vibrations runs up to 32c tires. The downside is no authorized US dealer...
Schwalbe is a German company shwal-ba is the pronunciation! I think the $5k price is basically the pre-covid $3k range & explains the weight along with the aero/low end groupset.
That’s heavier than my 92 iroc Camaro what the f@*€!!! 😂 sick bike!!! Thinking bout selling my addict for one.
That’s one slick bike. So funny I came across this video. I had a 2012 super light Pinarello and traded it in for a modern day aero bike and the aero bike absolutes smoked all the times I ever did on my old lighter bike. I got slaughtered for saying that. You actually need a bit of extra weight to help push through the air. My advice is get an aero bike and make it as light as possible to get the best of both worlds. Best thing you will ever do
Thank you!!! People don’t understand, it is a marginal significant advantage. It’s not just about number of speed. But the amount of energy saved while at those speed that allows you to be faster
I bought this bike after watching your video. I love looking at the bike as much as I love riding it!
what is the weight on those wheels and tyre combo? Would be a good inside, if you put some elite or winspace wheels and show us the weigth on the upgrade.
Pinellas Trail, Felt Broam --- 25 lbs plus add-ons, $1400 ... for some reason the fancy bikes on uphills slow down a LOT around here, ez to pass on hills , hard to stay within 50 yards on the flat ( but quite do-able) . Runner background may be a factor.
great looking bike - for the seat post, it's looks like it would be difficult to mount the Garmin Varia which is the gold standard & go to product for most people wanting a rear light/radar/camera.
New Aero frame, 105 Di2, HMX carbon layout for $4,800!!!? I'm sold! my wife has the 2022 Scott Addict 30 in that same color and she loves it! she just saw this video with me and now she wants a Foil lol 😂 great video GC Performance!
That's a really nice looking endurance bike. Perfect tall head tube and slack seat angle for all day comfort
lmfao, got a full suspension integrated rear shock and also integrated motor in the crank bb
@@GCPerformance18 my 1930 all steel bike is like way lighter than this. 😂😂😂😂😂
I have one of the other models, actually very comfy, and flies across gravel if you happen to end up on one of those roads ✌️
Oh btw. I wonder if you're interested in reviewing custom handlebars like the coefficient for e.g or any other high quality upgrade parts like carbon wheels. I think that would be an interesting addition to full bikes alone. Great channel so far! It's always good looking forward to your clips frequently. 👍
yea I do them every once in a while, havnt had anything interesting come by in a while
@@GCPerformance18 oh thought u might be interested. Ltwoo has announced an electronic groupset eRX! 😀
I can understand your frustration about people commenting on modern bike weights and I also think it's pretty pointless as well.
The 105 di2 braking system doesn't have servo wave, Ultegra and Dura Ace have it. That's the first difference. Secondly you can't attach satellite shifters to the 105 shifter's, you can with Ultegra and Dura Ace. Thirdly the 105 shifters don't have the function buttons on the top of the shifters like the Ultegra and Dura Ace shifter's.
Got this bad boy for 3900 euros, 55mm carbon wheels ordered, can't wait for the spring 😁
For a bit less than 5000€, you have the cube litening c68x race. It’s considered as an aero bike, it has 50mm Newmen wheels, full shimano ultegra and wheigts 7,5kg. I mean for 200€ i would make my choice quickly but i know it is also a matter of preference for everyone. The scott is absolutely a banger with some bigger wheels
the cude is sick but it is limited to wear it is sold, if it was offered world wide I would show a ton more of cube, I like the bikes alot but for all viewers, I think it is not fair to mention if you can only buy the bike in one are
@@GCPerformance18 didn’t know it was not available worldwide, bit strange from cube !
You get a 980 gram HMX frame, Scott's top tier carbon.
A Madone SL6 gen 7 costs way more and has a 1200 gram frame from their basic OCLV 500.
A Merida Reacto at this price point has a 1170 gram CF3 frame. Again, their cheaper, heavier carbon.
This bike has a heart of gold, well worth future upgrades. Even the new Madone SLR frame weighs 1050 grams, and the frameset costs more than this Foil RC 30.
yea this bike is honestly amazing and the color rocks with it too
For sure, wow, that's a deal, that bike under five grand. And not to argue but I don't think the bar/stem is chunky in any way. Maybe in comparison to the tippy top of the line components you see and install daily, but it looks mighty modern to me. Thanks for the look-see at this, I like it, not sure, however, it is any lighter and faster than a vintage Sears Free Spirit 10-speed. 😀
I'm fat af an aero bike is just added speed migth that be on a hill or on a flat, a 2 kg difference ain't gonna do nothing when i'm 94kg myself. Aero is king, but i love the look on the lightweight bikes the most like the emonda, scultura, SL7 or my favorite the focus izalco
Looks awesome but an aero bike really needs deeper rims on those wheels even if it's the cheapest version. I guess that would make the price higher than they wanted. The frigging website don't say what the stem and crank lengths are.
I just put a compact Dura Ace 9200 crank on my Cannondale Systemsix. When you're climbing Haleakala or Mt Ventoux it helps (done both on it)! Great looking Scott Foil (save for those alloy wheels).
When i get bored of my 2022 Foil RC10, this will be my new bike. Until then 2022 is an awesome bike
hell yea
An aero bike with a 50-34 chainset being used mainly flat places. Hope your good at spinning!
My 2014 SuperSix weighs……. Sorry just had to 😂😂😂😂 The only thing I wish is that the aero 105 bikes would come with a more compact cassette. 11-34 is a hill climbers cassette really. But obviously that can be switched out and I believe that’s the only stock 105 Di2 option?!
Edit: Should have waited to post until the end of the video where I now know you called out the gearing as well 😊
13:38: Getting all hot and heavy with the saddle! LOL
hahhaha NFSW content right there
good job on explaining why an aero bike weighs more. more material = more weight
eggzactly
Have multiple bikes and weight is never a factor on flat terrain. Speaking of weight my favorite bike is heavy 22lbs with heavy alloy wheels and a non-carbon fork. But it's so comfortable that I don't care if I'm slow on climbs. Not a racer or club rider. Weight don't matter outside of competitive rides
Wow what a stunning bike ❤ love the colours and OMG IT WEIGHS HOW MUCH!!?? AND ITS $5k!
Scott always makes nice looking bikes. I almost bought a Foil a few years back but decided on the test ride that it was too harsh for me.
they made it much more comfy now, they have changed over the years
Stunning colour, Scott killing it again :-)
This versus SystemSix? I love that Cannondale threw everything they had to make the SysSix as FAST AS POSSIBLE, but people say it rides harsh. I don't hear that about the Foil.
Forget the 10 YO bike, my '86 Vitus was only $250 and is lighter than that and way more comfortable. Only 8 speeds, but...
Great video with a lot of great points,
Put this monster next to a Soyboy LW, and see the watt and rpm difference at 42km/h, thats where aero's imo really come into their own at these high speeds and how little watts are needed to maintain those speeds once attained.
Can always make an Aero as light as a LW....You cannot however make a LW frame Aero....
Give me an extra kg or two if it means an extra 5-10km/h any day of the week.
Can I just buy the frame??
PLEAAAASE!!!
My Walmart huffy from 2003 was only 25lbs and would crush this in a TT 😉
Seriously though nice ride.
Most these guys saying their 2009 trek weighs less don't even push enough power or try hard enough to make a 1kg difference matter. They're the cycling world equivalent to 4 banger honda civics
Another great vid, keep up the good work. Do you feel the same way about the Addict 30 and it's value for money..?
In 1973 Ralf Bohle imported bicycle tires from Korea to Germany for the first time. These were called Swallow. In these days, Germany was the biggest and most important market. For this reason “swallow” was translated into German, i.e.
Schwalbe.
In Korea the tiny little bird is a traditional sign of good luck. For us it symbolizes that cycling is a wonderful way of moving: fast, light-hearted, with confidence, naturally and free.
Swallow tires are in fact still available today. Our partner company HungA distributes them mainly in Asian countries. The Schwalbe brand is, however, a name which is more well-known all over the world.
Those brake rotors are fine imo, not top end but perfectly fine. Top end is Shimano XTR... not Dura-Ace surprisingly.
Schwalbe is german for swallow (the bird) and it is pronounced SchwaL- Be.
It is in fact not schwable, schwabl, schwabee, schwabel or schwalibee.
Danke
thats not a bad weight for heavier wheels and 105 stuff, could always upgrade later and make it a bit lighter, most important is the weight of the rider and power output, put a v12 engine on there thats lean and it will kill
Love the color and I agree with you about the weight vs aero debate (at least for Florida-I would never get one in California though)-disagree about wheels vs handlebars and stem though. Aero handlebars barely make much of a difference so they are more of a luxury item and some people opt for alloy stems over carbon because they're sometimes stronger. However, the fact that they include such thin wheels on a bike this focused on aero is not great. Probably less aero than some of the "lightweight aero" bikes with similar body positioning now. Those wheels are essentially the same as the ones I got on a new Scott which was a third of the price of this just a couple of years ago. Granted the rest of the bike was obviously lower-spec but it was still carbon with 10-speed Tiagra-they could at least go for some basic 50mm carbon rims on this one even if they have to go up to 5500.
I'm here in California and I agree, definitely not an aero bike to ride here. More than 85% of riders I see here all ride climbing bikes and shallow carbon wheels around 35-45mm max. The terrain is a mix of flat, hills and mountain depending your area.
Every group and club riders I see ride shallow wheels and 50/50 aero frame but for sure 45mm is the deepest I see here in my local area.
My 2020 trek domane sl6 weighs 19 lbs and im enjoying every pound of it😅😊
that is right!!!! and I am sure it is comfortbale and fast!!
I experienced your point about new (aero)bikes first hand. My 2014 Time Scylon with rim brakes weights 6,8kgs. Its an aero frame with an aero bar and deep wheels with 23c tires.
Last summer I bought a standard Giant TCR with disc brakes and alloy wheels. Weighting a wopping 8,7 kgs. But when I started riding it I was actually faster on the Giant. The bike is stiffer, had more comfort and handles alot better.
Beautiful bike for sure, especially the color! What do you think about Scott foil 10 or 20 vs a Factor ostro vam?
I know when you order a Factor you have the option to choose the wheel depth, crank arm length, stem length & bar width regardless of the frame size. I’m not sure if Scott offers the same.
The factor is $8600 with ultegra di2 tho. I was more curious on the frame vs frame perspective.
@@wallacelau-c9q Foil will almost for sure be faster aero-wise. Probably not by much since frame choice doesn't make a huge difference but the way they kept the wheel close to the frame at the back, the thick bb area, and the more aggressive position help it out
Finally getting this bad boy next month! Cant wait to try it!
thats awesome!!!
is this a good bike to buy for someone who wants to start biking or is there cheaper alternatives
this is a great option
@@GCPerformance18 Cool thanks mate, i might as well start saving up for the Hyper 45 wheels so hopefully i can bring down the weight a little bit on the rc 30
Beautiful, beautiful bike bro, don’t worry about them comments, people sometimes just like to talk, we love you too man, nice saddle action btw….lol…love your shenanigans brother…lol
Hahahha hell yea!! I appreciate
Is there room for a Stages power meter on the non drive side?
Would the Addict be better for a 160 lb rider on rolling hills like in northern Georgia in your opinion?
the addict would be a better climbing bike for sure, it is more of there all rounder, so for hills it would be more snappier and lively on the climbs because this has deeper aero cuts it is more harder to get it going on climbs and more suitable for flats
Diggin those "aero wheels" on this aero bike 😆 Agree the color is ❤
Makes sense to bring the price down with aluminum wheels so it comes into more people's price range...then they can upgrade wheels later.
@@cup_and_cone No doubt, but then can it be called an aero bike when perhaps the biggest thing that contributes to lower drag is missing?
Very cervelo like, but i guess its understandable that frames are converging in ideal design.
Just taken delivery of mine.
hell yea
My friend’s Tri bike weighs almost 10 kg, yet he is the fastest guy in my local loop. Heck, every time he goes for his bike training for triathlon (solo ride), the rest of us just ride behind him, making a long single-file peloton, to get a higher average speed, LOL. 😛
All that means is he’s in much better shape. If he’d be on a huggy coaster brake, he’d propably still be at the too of the pack.
It means bike don't matter the rider matters. And I wish I have a friend to pull me along headwinds
Great freaken review! Well done.. This helped a lot .thank you
you are very welcome
I came for the 5.6kg bikes!!! I can’t believe people give a shit haha, I love the way new bikes look
You can buy a more aero rim brake bike for far less. Weight doesn’t make much difference in hills. 3w per kg on a 9%. It makes a difference to how nimble the bike is.
A Giant Propel is faster than a Systemsix, which is similar to this, it’s also a kg lighter.
Aero figures actually mean very little in a race. Most of the time you are in a Pelaton and there’s no difference. It only matters if you are on the front or in the first few wheels. Far less than is touted.
Those bars are also very wide. That makes a big difference in making it slower. They need to be banged in. It would be like riding an MTB for me.
I think you meant to say supersix. Systemsix is one of the top fastest road frames with canyon aeroad coming right after.
Felt ar, specialized venge vias, post 2020 cervelo s5 are the top dogs of aero road frames with the lowest drag coefficients without diving into tt bike uci territory.
Giant propel and canyon aeroad are almost identical in CDA.
I'm wondering, do they use a different epoxy for lower models?
I think the pro and ultimate use higher end carbon respectively, they call it hmx and hmx sl 🤔
If they made a wheel similar to dtswiss 1800p 32 this bike would look fantastic. I believe they are same price. Maybe 100 dollars more.
you can also take a look at the german brand cube. the have cheap and well-equipped aero bikes
And Canyon aeroad SLX of cause
You're right about the color
The Syncros branded hubs on this bike are actually made by Formula.
I’m in Chicago and I don’t race, I don’t care about weight. I love my Allez Sprint.
allez sprint is a beast bike
if it had more than a 5 year warranty i could consider but thats competitive to lifetime warranty of other top brands
You ain't ugly bruh. Handsome af
Thanks jackie chan!!!!
Wow I love it. 🔥
thats tru,got the tarmac sl4 with 6.5 kg and now the sl7 pro with 7,7 kg ist always faster then the 2012 model. gc your right
hell yea!!
What is the widest tire you can fit on it? 30-32mm ?
they say 30
What what be a comparable bike for the hills?
scott addict rc or specialized tarmac sl8 expert
I wish all bike bolts were torx. I've rounded a few hex fittings over the years... which wouldn't have happened if they were torx. While we're at it, get rid of all crosshead and flathead screw fittings.
Wow amazing colour, could you put some deep wheels on it and do another video of it? This would look bdz
Hi, a Schwalbe is a swallow in German. These were tires imported to Germany from an asian company called swallow. The owner just translated it... It´s pronounced in the begiinning like shwing and an hard e at the end ;)
ahhh thank you for helping!!
@@GCPerformance18 very Welcome!
That red is growing on me, just wish the rear was black. Num saaayiiiiiinnnnnnnnn.
This bike will be faster up most hills than any 2015 aero bike
Everyone who says 'My bike from 5 years ago weighs ...' is still caught up on the marketing material from bike manufacturers back then
I believe so, or maybe they just love there current bike, and dont have the means for a new bike
0:39 always hurt to turn the camera i feel you haha
The new Giant Propel.. 😉
Schwalbe is just the German word for a swallow, the bird.
Also, RE: hills - it has to be a fairly significant climb, think Mont Ventoux or Alpe d'Huez, before weight takes precedence over aero. Weight is a nice metric because you can easily measure it, but why do people think the pros use modern aero bikes on all the mountain stages of the Tour?
lol u straight up negating the potential negative comments 😁. That was quite new to this channel i guess XD. I guess this frame is more for people who use it as a base to upgrade! custom carbon wheels, probably looks better to lower the stems and maybe a few other goodies here and there
Dork disc. Hell yes!
Really like the Red , should have painted the whole frame wine red.
Wine red always looks nice
Awesome. You will of course need to change the wheels.
Yea I might make a video like that
At that price it's actually good value even without a good wheelset,it a 1000 dollers more in the UK so less value
Hey my cycling brother, can you get this in just the frame?
How's the comfort on this bike compared to the tarmac?
Tires alone make the bike super comfy. But I would say this would be a little bit stiffer then the tarmac
I prefer my 2016 CAAD12! 😂 Straight up!
Hell noooo
5000$ crazy expensive there is no carbon wheels , just 105 , no power meter on this price point ? Yes agree weight is not everything but with pedals and other accesories will be very close to 9kg that same or more then gravel bike .. For half of this price you can build very good bike with better components .....
Can you name a bike for the price you say?
Even at a speed of 12mph the scott will be faster than your 2010 trek
Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)
Bikes aren't fast. Fit riders are fast. The bike makes so little difference, but bike makers try to convince us otherwise.
What bikes do you have? if I may ask
Right? I have an aero bike bike I can't compete against climbing bikes my friends have. They're so fast at flats even though I should have the advantage. It's simply because I'm not fit enough.
So true. But retailers will never admit that
@@adccars359 I quit racing a few years ago after 30 years. Made it to 2 Olympic Trials and 6 National championships! But I never had.more than 1 bike at a time. Fitness is 97% of the sport.
This is a non argument. If both have the same strength then the bike dictates the winner. These fit arguments are dumb af Bike is not connected to the rider
Where are you located in FLA?
What bike did the guy with the muscular legs have? SL7 ?
he had a first gen allez sprint disc, but that is his training bike, he rides an sl7, hes a cat 1 rider
I drop guys on these bikes all the time. Don't buy aero guys, but a Bafang BBSHD mid drive motor and 52V battery and mount it on an aluminum road bike with less aggressive riding position.
Anybody on one of these aero bikes has nothing over 30 mph.
And...wait for it....a 1700 watt bike with no rider...add your watts as well...is cheaper than this bike without a motor. Of course you have to have my expertise to build it.
Biggest reason to own/build a high power ebike even if you come from the competitive world of cycling like I do? You can stay in zone 2 heartrate which has the greatest health benefits.
Riding at higher speeds translates to burning more glycogen aka carbs aka sugar and carbs aren't good for you. Zone 2 you are in fat burning which makes you leaner which could make GC a 175 lb rider and not 200 lbs. GC and I are the same height.
Playing with you GC. I just don't see why you have to kill yourself to go 30 mph on this Scott when in stark contrast if speaking of technology to make you fast, you don't have to on a powerful e-roadbike that you don't need huge saddle to bar drop and sit on your nuts spoiling the ride with less sta and getting out of the wind which is essential above 25mph without a motor.
Trash
What if you make a bike including Scott or cervelo seat tube, cervelo y shape stem connect to ribble ultre dropbar, trek isoflow, Bianchi aero ferings, orbea orca battle cage under downtube, dogma fork😂😂😂
im teling you right now, it is getting this way lol, there is only os much they can do to a bike now they are just taking the good parts form other bike companies and putting there spin on it
@@GCPerformance18 yah haha the only upgrade they will make is when uci make an update in a regulation😂 haha just i was thinking about di2 they are literally waiting for another year or two to release a complete wireless groupset
Who won last month's bike giveaway?
I live streamed it on my channel you can check it out, a guyb name devan
$5000!!!??? For 8,5kg bike with 105??? Whole world went crazy,😱👎
yeah and aluminium wheels that crazy ,is to much for sure
@@marcinstyle85 oh man, I didn't notice that alu wheels, that's even worse that I thought 😱